maybe I'm missing something but when I defocus on Agena (at 208x), I begin to see the spider vanes, either way I go from focus. maybe I need to collimate

and in focus the star is like my previous description, not a round ball, but more like a ball with a whole lot of spikes. tonight seeing isn't the best, got a bit of wind around but I don't think it'd affect it that much.
but they look ok when using lower powers, like Saturn is crisp at times, between gusts of wind. I will experiement in the coming nights.
matt