God particle is 'found' ?

[joe_smith]

Found this in a article on the Mail online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2167188/God-particle-Scientists-Cern-expected-announce-Higgs-boson-particle-discovered-Wednesday.html)website anyone know more?? is it true?

[troypiggo]

Wow. That article, dated 1/7/12, looks like an exact rip-off of this article dated 14/12/11 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/new-data-to-be-shared-in-hunt-for-elusive-particle/story-fn5fsgyc-1226221384992).

[inline_online]

Yep, CERN have announced a press conference tomorrow as shown in the following link:

http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?ovw=True&confId=196564

No mention of the particle being found though, just the latest update on what has been going on. Could be interesting though. Stay tuned to this space...

[joe_smith]

The article dated 14/12/11 says they have found "some data" the new one is calming they have "99.99 % found it", maybe its to good to be true?

[troypiggo]

Aah, re-read them. Much of the preamble and content is overlapped, though.

[Astro_Bot]

Well, there is a significant delay between the experiments that generate the data, and the conclusion of analysis and cross-checks that lead to a particle being "discovered" with the appropriate degree of certainty.

I guess i'll check the news on Thursday (our time). Thanks for the tip.

[joe_smith]

I agree they overlap in describing the higgs and CERN, but the the actual points vary a lot (well to me anyway)

I also note the first is fact and the 2nd is "expected" and not yet fact. Its a pretty big comment making out it is true, just hope CERN are not going down the "Much Ado About Nothing" big news discovery path, like NASA dose ;)

same here :thumbsup:

[jjjnettie]

Dr Karl explains the implication in laymen's terms. :) http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/29864377/the-god-particle/

[JB80]

Given that Tevatron has announced that they have seen evidence of the Higgs in the same search region as the LHC between the masses of 115 and 135 GeV I'd say it's a well timed announcement.
It's not like scientists are very competetive.:rolleyes:
Still Fermilab/Tevatrons announcement was as close as they could get without confirmation which really backs up the December announcement made by CERN.



So I'm going to guess that they will claim evidence that "A" Boson most likely the Higgs has been found to exist but further research is needed too confirm it is the Higgs.

Ahhhh.... nothing like a good cup of speculation in the morning.:drink:

[traveller]

This is also a very good article explaining the difference between a "result" and a "discovery" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808
Bo

[silv]

that link says: no longer available.
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQDCpKlyUA)'s possibly the same one on youtube?

I'm excited! yay!

Turns out, I am not overweight. I only have too many bosons!
my next diet goal: reduce my boson mass index :rofl:

[[1ponders]]

I always like the way Dr Karl explains things. I finally know what everyone is going on about.

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/29864377/

[leon]

Thanks JJJ, that really helps, at first I had no idea what people were talking about.

Leon

[marki]

Don't get too excited yet, I imagine a call as big as this one will get some pretty close scrutiny. The discoverers will definately be reaching for their boxing gloves and will be in for a hell of a time.


Mark

[strongmanmike]

Ah sigh..I can see the two camps already - the Higgs alarmists and the Higgs skeptics, luckily no money or political party is attached to the truth for the average man or else scientific method and reasoning would just simply go flying out the window :lol:...bring on the barbs and vitriol :thumbsup:

[spacezebra]

Hi all

For those that are keen Brian Greene (Elegant Universe) provided a link to the live announcement.

http://worldsciencefestival.com/events/higgs_boson_announcement/main

Plus - there is some really good explanations, articles video etc.. of the science behind the LHC and the Higgs.

Cheers Petra d.

[spacezebra]

One more video worth a view for those that are interested.

http://worldsciencefestival.com/videos/ask_brian_greene_why_do_we_think_th e_higgs_particle_exists

Cheers Petra d.

[multiweb]

Cool stuff Petra. Waiting for the live webcast. Gee they're taking their time. Probably breakfast time.

[spacezebra]

Marc

I was just at my mums - and she was watching ABC 24 - and they stated that the announcement would be at 6pm AEST

Cheers Petra d.

[multiweb]

:lol: Ok. Plenty of time then. One way or the other it's going to be exciting.
PS: Is Apple sponsoring the event. Geez... that's all there is on the desks. :P

[spacezebra]

Its an apple orchard!!!!

:eyepop:

Cheers Petra d.

[multiweb]

I think I saw Mick from Bintel. :)

[JB80]

It's a bit quiet.

[multiweb]

The tension is building...

[multiweb]

Looks like it's starting soon now.

[Marke]

waiting waiting

[spacezebra]

Did I see Peter Higgs there?

Cheers Petra d.

[multiweb]

Yeah he walked in about 15min before starting. Everybody was clapping.

[ben.]

Higgs is there, he was just having a little nap

[JB80]

Well it looks like they have something very Higgs like.

[spacezebra]

Getting my head around what "pileup" means

http://www.nature.com/news/lhc-prepares-for-data-pile-up-1.10596

Cheers Petra d.

[JB80]

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2012/PR17.12E.html

Here is the official press release.

[multiweb]

The amount of data, hardware, software is just mind-bobbling. How much effort to filter all the 'noise' and get to the clean data. Lots of smart people working all together. :eyepop: It sounds really promising though. Exciting times. :)

[JB80]

So in short, they have found a "Higgs" boson however there is not enough data yet to tell if some of the statistical flucuations are normal variance or are perhaps a new type of Higgs.
?

Still huge news, if it's the latter and they can find more than one version of it then it would make life interesting for the theorists.

[jjjnettie]

I must say I do agree with the point. :)

[big_dav_2001]

Amazing how the huge amount of data was filtered and cleaned and eliminated so systematically in order to find a confirmed result...

Great to see several of the scientists moved to tears by such an achievement, a lot of hard work by a lot of great minds finally paid off.

Davin

[Nortilus]

To say that the higgs boson is found is a bit wrong too...as explained, they have found a new partical that is consistant with predictions made by the standard model...as far as i can tell...just more testing to 100% confirm this and then I guess they can offically call it the Higgs Boson...then its dance time...

[DavidU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-doU2Ojtmo

[jjjnettie]

Great link Dave, thanks.

[AstralTraveller]

I'm in awe of it too but I also think of all the technicians who make it work. This thing uses a significant portion of Europe's electricity and the voltages inside the thing and the oscillation of electric fields are mindboggling so there must be a mob of top notch 'sparkies' there. Then it runs at very low temperatures so there is are cryogenic specialists. And as someone who bangs his head against lab-scale vacuum systems I'm in awe of them getting something of that size under what must be a very very good vacuum. All those seals and all that gear inside the vacuum - sources of leaks and virtual leaks everywhere. I'm stressing just imagining it.

The instrument is a top-notch achievement.

[Regulus]

So is finding the God Particle anything like finding Jesus' face in a piece of toast?? Or harder?
;)
Trev

[blink138]

just as hard to believe ha ha
pat

[JB80]

Not really.

I find it rather interesting, I'd like to say lets hope it's not the "Standard Higgs" but a variation of it but I guess future runs will probably flatten the data out.

p.s... comic sans

[AdrianF]

Just listened to a report on the radio saying that it had definately been found and Stephen Hawking saying Higgs should get a Nobel Prize.

Adrian

[JB80]

He should too, and so should the others who at the same time also theorised it however it can only be ever given to 3 people at once. So it would be a given that Peter Higgs should get one but what about those who proved it?
Tough choices.