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syousef
18-06-2012, 11:19 PM
I own the following cheap binoculars and tested them hand held tonight looking at Omega Centauri, The Jewel Box cluster and the Theta Carinae cluster (a nice little cluster that reminds me of a dog's paw). My results were surprising.

The binoculars are:

1) Andrews Communications 10x50 WA - which look very similar to Saxon 10x50 BFWA marked as FC. $49 current price. Marked as 122m@1000m
2) Dick Smith Digitor 10x50, marked as FMC. $40 current price. Marked as 122m@1000m
3) Binoculars marked and boxed as Bushnell 20x50 Powerview but which have a field of view I'd expect from 10x50. Marked as 69m@1000m but they fit the Southern Cross in so this is just plain incorrect. No idea if these are "fake" branded, factory seconds or what's happening here.
4) "Winner" branded 7x50 bought in about year 2000 for more money than they were worth from a Disposal store.
5) Unbranded 7x50 bought at Homeart around 2005 or 2006 marked as Coated. $25 at the time.
6) 6x21 Bresser children's binoculars.

All use BK7 glass. Only 4 was over $50.

I tested in my back yard which has reasonable darkness for suburban Sydney, and my front yard, which unfortunatetly as a street light right in front of it (however I usually stand in the shade of the trunk of a palm tree....obviously not ideal).

None of the binoculars were spectacular. None were truly terrible. The Andrews binoculars were suprisingly hard to focus precisely, but once focused held it well. I expected these to be best, but at least in this suburban backyard they weren't.

The surprise was that the DSE Digitors did quite well, especially in the front yard. They were excellent for both contrast and sharpness and easy to focus. They were not quite as bright as the Andrews or the Bushnells. However the clarity for fainter stars was wonderful. For example I could make out HIP 52799 and HIP 52736 in Theta more easily with the Digitors. The Jewel Box had more definition and did not require as much use of averted vision. Omega Centauri was much better defined and stood out better against the sky. HIP 65373 near Omega Cen was easier to see without averted vision. I suspected the claim of FMC may not have been correct, but after this session I wonder if it is true. The Digitors had the narrowest field. Where I'd have to use averted vision to see fainter stars around the targets I listed for the other Binocs, I did not need to or needed to less with the Dick Smiths.

Call me crazy but at least in my own backyard if I had to pick 1 pair it would be the Digitors. Please don't mistake me for some sort of shill. I'm not a huge fan of Dick Smith. I've bought some bargains, some okay things and some things that to put it nicely did not work out for me from there. Sometimes their prices are great other times they're ridiculously overpriced.

Between the 7x50s the cheap $25 Homeart ones are slightly crisper. It's a real pity I've never seen these binocs sold there before nor since the day I bought these. They really are quite good for sub $100, let alone $25.

Another surprise was that there were significant differences in the "feel" of the view. Each had very different contrast. Where they weren't 100% sharp they were "mushy" in different ways.

The other difference was that despite all the 7s and 10s supposedly having similar or identical field of view, there were differences in how large the field was. The Dick Smiths didn't quite fit the Southern Cross in. The 20x50s just did (wrong!), as did the Andrews 10x50. But so did the 6x21 kids binoculars!???

jjjnettie
18-06-2012, 11:45 PM
:) What a great review!!
Thanks for taking the time to write it up for us.

My personal experience with Bushnell branded binoculars is not good.
I bought a pair of 12x50's, and paid good money for them, only to find that there was an air bubble in the lens, right near the middle, that distorted any star seen through it.
The camera store I bought them from then refused to refund my money by saying that all glass has bubbles in it.
I've owned the Dick Smith binos as well and they were pretty good for the price, $50. I got a lot of use out of them.

The best pair I've owned by far are my current ones. A pair of Vortex "Diamondback" 10x42. Exquisite optics!! You definitely get what you pay for. :)

syousef
19-06-2012, 06:57 AM
You're welcome.

I like to correct that with "At most you get what you pay for".

By the way all glass doesn't have bubbles that interfeer with viewing. I'd have at least threatened to take that store to Fair Trading (and if annoyed enough I'd have followed through. I've been known to do that).

hollowcore
19-06-2012, 08:04 AM
I got given a pair of Pentax 10x50 PCF WP binoculars. Don't know much about them. Are they expensive, are they any good for star gazing?

sopticals
19-06-2012, 08:53 AM
I have the Dick Smiths Digitor 10x50s. I agree quite acceptable performance for their cost. Unfortunately mine seem to have lost collimation. I can still just merge the images, but at the expense of considerable eyestrain, so may have to look for replacements. I find/found the binos great for locating general points of interest, (on the celestial sphere), ie globs, nebs, etc. Then its zoom in with a bit of aperature with the dobs. Omega Centaurus great at the moment (almost at my zenith 7-8pm).

chris lewis
19-06-2012, 09:43 AM
Good review.
Yes, there are some entry level Chinese binos that do work, the main concern is making sure they are collimated well and there are no major defects in the optical train or build qualities.
I have used 5x Celestron Skymaster 15x70 and 4x were poorly collimated and were initially unusable.
Entry level binos will have distortions but if the on axis image is reasonably sharp they will give you a workable image.
FMC and Bak-4 prisms are desirable.
Most of the entry level binocular nomenclature is unreliable and usually misleading.
122m @1000m is 7 degrees Tfov which is 'wide' for a 10x50, so you will get noted field of view distortions at the periphery.
69m/1000m is 4 degrees, so you are correct if they fit the Crux whey must be at least 6 degrees and they cannot be 20x50.
Entry level Bushnell’s are noted for misleading information, however, Bushnell do produce a wide range of binoculars from 'do not buy' to top end stuff like there Japanese ED Elite series which give almost 'Alpha' like binocular views [at similar prices]. I have an Earlier Bushnell Japanese Elite 8x43 split bridge which is superb.
If you are on a budget yes an entry pair of binoculars will work but again I do recommend saving for a bino that has good optical and build qualities, like the Pentax’s below.
‘hollocore’ yes, the Pentax PCF 10x50’s are recommended binoculars. They are well built, W.P. / F.M.C. lens / Bak- 4 prisms. The image is sharp to edge. They do have a 'narrowish' 5 degree FOV which gives a Afov of 50 degrees, some may find restrictive. The Nikon 10x50 AE has similar specs and is also recommended, they do have a wider 6.5 degree FOV for a more panoramic 65 degree Afov. Of course due to the wider image they do have edge distortions.

Chris

jjjnettie
19-06-2012, 09:51 AM
Just about any pair of bino's are good for star gazing. :D
Lay down a tarp on the ground or drag out a banana lounge, grab a red light torch and a star map and off you go.
They're great for tracking down brighter comets.

brian nordstrom
19-06-2012, 10:23 AM
:) Thanks for your time Syousef on wrighting up this review .
perhaps the Moderators can move it over to the ' Equipement Rewiews ' section ? :D .
I like binocular star gazing , so easy to do.
On the collumating thing there is a great artical on the net on how to do this , just google , collumating Binoculars , and you will find it .
My 8x56 ' Vuelux ' needed a tweek after 10 years and its so easy to do , and what a differance it makes .
Brian.

OICURMT
20-06-2012, 02:06 PM
Every pair I've looked through were poorly collimated. I finally said "forget it" and purchased the cheapest Skymaster I could find on the internet and then collimated it myself.

Great bino's for the dollars I paid (U$49.95, shipping included). Love them to death and match up well with my 10x50 Meade Infinity (which I paid U$100 back in the 90's).


OIC!

ausastronomer
20-06-2012, 04:09 PM
Hi,

These are a $250 to $300 pair of binoculars. They will either be the older 10x50 PCF WP or the more recent 10 x 50 PCF WP II. They are mid priced and very good performers. They give good sharp images across a large part of the FOV with clear bright images. They also offer excellent eye relief of 20mm which makes them suitable for using with glasses on. They are nitrogen filled, which prevents fogging and they are water resistant.

They are a level below the top grade binoculars from Germany and Japan like Zeiss, Leica, Swarovski, and the top grade binoculars from Fujinon, Canon and Nikon which all cost $800 plus. They are however a clear notch better than the budget binoculars which cost < $100.

Overall these are an excellent binocular for astronomy or marine/outdoor use and as a starter pair of binoculars for astronomy I couldn't think of anything much better.

Cheers,
John B

syousef
21-06-2012, 12:31 PM
I've added Tasco Essentials 10x50 zip binocs to the mix too. They are old stock that never got used so manufacturing may be slightly different now. (I forgot to mention that the Dick Smith binocs I bought to replace my broken pair have useless soft lens covers compared to the hard plastic they use to come with).

These Tascos are about as sharp or maybe a fraciton less so compared the Dick Smiths but show nebulosity around Eta Car better. (That ruby filter on the DSEs really is a double edged sword). Unfortunately the Tascos don't have a tripod mount, and they don't hold their focus terribly well (a bit of pressure on the eyepiece will push them out, so holding them just against or even slightly away from the eyes is best, but this can become tiring compared to resting the rubber against your eyes sockets). They don't have horrid red coatings. Pity that they cost USD25 but due to "manufacturer restrictions" most US merchants won't sell to Aus. (At one point they even had a twin pack for that price with the 10x50s and some smaller 8x21s) Here they cost anywhere upwards of AUD82.95 locally with RRP quoted as AUD129.

As I said you can pay a lot of money in Aus for $25 binocs.

I bought mine for $31 plus $13 shipping but it turned out there was what appeared to be a chip in the glass on one of the eyepieces. So the seller refunded by money except shipping and told me to keep them. The problem doesn't seem to affect night viewing anywhere near as much as day.

hotspur
21-06-2012, 08:26 PM
Binoculars in the backyard!good way to start,nice write up,started all the years ago with inexpensive 7 by 50's-could see the four moons of Jupiter and M45 and been hooked ever since.

Ron Gibson from Sirius Optics seems to have 'no name' clean skins,reasonable prices all sizes-think he even had some 12 by 50's at one astrofest,I got a second pair of 8 by 40's of him,as my son now has my first pair-very cheap but handy to have.Easy to carry when in the bush.

Would like to look at getting some Vixen 8 by 42's I've seen in Astro shop.Bit dearer at $250 a pair,but should be a notch above my current pair of hand held bino's.

If you can ever get a pair of 20 by 50's or 15 by 50's on a tripod,Syousef ,you will find them great enjoyment.

brian nordstrom
21-06-2012, 09:20 PM
:thumbsup: I hear you Chris , my 1st astronomical instrument was a pair of 8x40 bino's , mate I seen the rings around saturn with those at the ripe old age of 16 yrs. mowing lawns . washing cars , planting flowers ..etc .
But I seen saturn's rings at 16 years old using a pair of bino's I payed for . all by my self . :eyepop:for years .
Brian.

syousef
21-06-2012, 11:29 PM
Thanks Chris, Brian.

It looks like I might end up giving a talk on these binocs at my astro club next month. I'll definitely be referring back to this thread as I think I summarised some of my experiences nicely, but it's going to be interesting giving a talk when there are some much more knowledgable members at the club...

brian nordstrom
22-06-2012, 11:08 AM
:thumbsup: Dont worry about that Sousef , I have given lots of talks at my old club and nobody will judge you , they will enjoy it , as I would .
Go for it mate .
Brian.