Long Perng 90mm f5.5 APO on its way.

[brian nordstrom]

Hi all , I had a small lotto win this last saturday yippe !! :rofl:I wont be retiring soon tho as the optimum word is SMALL , but I did get to order a new Long Perng 90mm f5.5 APO:D today from Andrews Com. and it will be here in about a week .
For $849 delivered these have to be a major bargain ?
They only have 4 of these so if you want one you had better be quick .
With the fpl53 doublet lense , 500mm f/l and 11 to 1 focuser it will be a great imaging scope .
An Atik 314c CCD is to follow , here I go down the" road to empty pockets" , but what the hey?? :hi:.
I cant wait as Luke said the build is very good , on par with WO scopes , and I have no reason to doubt his word as every item I have ever got from Andrews has been top notch .
I will post photos when it arrives and is all set up .
Now the dreaded WAIT !!! :lol:
More to follow......
Brian.

[traveller]

Well done Brian,
keep us posted.

[wavelandscott]

Congrats on the win and scope...please enjoy them both!

[FlashDrive]

waiting-waiting-waiting .... :prey:
Gee ... I know someone who's still waiting for his TV85 :whistle:

Flash ....:poke:

[brian nordstrom]

;) My God ! the internet is s l o w here tonight , blardy frustrating ....
Anyway thanks guys , I am like Flash on the waiting train , looks like your beautiful TV and my LP will arrive about the same time there Flash?
Yes I will definatly keep all informed , I will do a review here on IIS as there is nothing on the net that I can find on these , any one else had any luck ?
I see these scopes as becoming a new ED80 , especially for imaging as I have said , what do you recon? :question:. The first comparo will be with my excellent Saxon ED80 , that will be a good start . 10mm extra is a lot at this size scopes .
Any way the wait continues ...... :thumbsup:.
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:D Thanks Scott , its not every day luck gives you a prod... and yea the new LP and Atik , was my 1/2 ;).
My darling got a new set of tyres and 12 months rego on her Corolla , we are both happy :D.
Oh yes there is enough left over for a weekend at Kakadu national park in a few weeks time . Yea nice to have a win now and then . :thumbsup: especially as I am in the middle of 84 hour weeks , so a weekend away will be nice .
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:D Thanks Bo , I will .
one thing there Bo , I notice you have a 25 and 12.5 mm Vixen LVs' ,, if you ever want to sell them , please think of me first ? thanks mate these will finish a set I aquired just reciently .;) . :hi:.
Brian.

[MortonH]

Can't wait to hear how the scope performs!

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Thanks Morton , I can only hope its in the league of your new SV80mm and Flashes 85mm TV , this may turn into quite a discussion , fun to be had by us ? a 3 way test ? .. I think so, aye .
Its definatly a buyers market out there at the moment ;).
When is your beautiful SV due to arrive ? Morton ?
I am a SV groups member as well (I've been following ) , Nice scope your is .:thumbsup: .
Brian. .

[MortonH]

Hi Brian, the SV80ED is probably due in around a week. Hasn't been shipped yet. I considered the LP 90mm but wanted something a bit lighter. Will be nice to get the 80 and 110 together.

Cheers

Morton

[brian nordstrom]

;) Hell yea Morton . We all look forward to a few photos .80mm and big brother 110 , cool .
It's like me and my 127 triplet and little brother 90mm on his way , I cant wait for the dry to start up here and get out under the night sky again...
Yep a 3 way comparo comming on soon ? I can feel it ....;) .us refractor Brothers .
Brian.

[gb_astro]

I see Andrews has some other new (?) interesting
Long Perng refractors on his site:

ED APO 60mm f/7 TRIPLET

ED APO 110mm f/6 QUADRUPLET

ED APO 126mm f/7 TRIPLET C/F

ED APO 150mm f/6.7 TRIPLET C/F

gb.

[traveller]

Snap Brian, I was gonna say the same about the Vixens you just got! They are little gems and keepers, so won't be parting with them for a while. I am sure you'd understand.
Cheers, Bo :)

[brian nordstrom]

;) Ha ! Bo , ya gott love a trier ? I was out last night looking at Mars with my Zeiss , using the 4, 5 , and 6mm LV's @ 210x to 140x and the detail was impressive , really nice eyepieces , well made and petite . Nice to hold and use . But hey ......
......I had to try , aye Bo ? :thumbsup: . but if ever you need to sell , remember they will come to a good home .
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: I hear you GB , the LP 126mm and 152 mm are going to do it hard ,Dollar wise , when against the North Bridge 127's and Synta's 120's and 150 's .
They might be worth the extra $$'s but they will have to be really good ,because at these prices you can get a TV ,TEC, TBM or even a 2nd hand AP ? and in the 127mm size to top my NG127 triplet , its got to be a special scope at 1/2 the price :shrug:.of these new large APO's comming on .
I will not be able to stop my self from calling from the towers when my new 90mm F/5 arrives :D, even though it's only ? ? a doublet , but it uses FPL53 .. Yea Ha .
The new ED80 . in 90mm . ;) .
Brian ..
.

[brian nordstrom]

:rofl: Yea ha got home from work tonight to an OZ post card in my door ,, the 90mm in in town :D. woaw 7 days from Andrews , cool . :thumbsup:.
I will have to get away from work at some stage and pick it up , whewoo !
Photos tomorrow night if telstra gets its act together and gives us customers up here faster speed than 10kb/s , its a joke , this message will take 3-4 miniutes to down load , if at all !!!!' :mad2:. solar activity ??? . Na just a carp service up in the NT .1/2 the people at work are sick of this as well.
Anyway , new scope tomorrow .
Flash and Morton , hope your guys beauties aint far away .:).
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: I gave telstra the benifit of the doubt , check the times, its taken this long for my last message to leave , and for me to type this one ??? a blardy joke !!!!
Optis here I come .
Brian.:mad2:

[brian nordstrom]

:mad2: 7 miniutes for that last experiment ( message ) , patience of a saint ?
thought of my new 90mm is keeping me cool :question:. telstra has big ponds? .Problems ., not taking my $$$ they dont!! see how long this takes?? :help:.
Brian. .

[brian nordstrom]

:lol: the LP is here , nice build .:thumbsup:, well worth the money .
I cant take any decent photos because when I get home at 6.30pm its a little dingey ( dark) , ;). and the lovely gloss black finish dont show up very well in a flash .
The 11 to 1 focuser is very smooth , not as good as my supercharged GSO 10 to1 on my ED80, and I wont mention the FT3035 at this time .
but it aint bad , in the same league as my GSO b4 it got worked on.
Optics ,,, ?? well , the weather up here is bad , cyclones every where , so its very cloudy .
I took the 90mm f/5 and my sweet ED80 f/7.5 out on to the deck last night and using my 13mm Nagler in the 90mm and my 17mm Nagler in my Ed80 on a street light 1/2 a Km up the street ;). ....
.....
I was under whelmed wth the 90mm LP .. more colour than my old SV Aplanat ???? , the Ed80 blew it away . F/7.5 against F/5.5 , but still the LP was not doing it !! World class eyepieces , so the problem was not there.?:help:
Here I was asking for a comparo with Flashes up and comming TV85 and Morton's SV80mm , ,,, I was ready to hide under a rock ... Sorry guy's .:confused2:.
Then it hit me , I had just done the oppisite to most people do , and thats take a scope from a cool air conditioned house at 24 degrees into the NT's hot and humid 33 degrees , and the poor 90mm lense had to acclimatise to the heat , Woaw !! :eyepop:, After 1/2 an hour , the 3 way comparisim was back on ,, Nice views , as sharp and perfectly colour free as my ED80 ,, but so much brighter . 10mm is a lot .
:rofl:, I am impressed .
Photos comming .:hi:
Brian.

[Astroman]

Congrats on the new scope and the win also, looks a nice little scope. The advert had me a little confused though, read below...

ED APO 90mm f/5.5 doublet achromatic refractor with fully multicoated lens and Crayford style 2" 11:1 microfocuser!

I hope that was a typo...

Look forward to hearing how the scope performs.

[FlashDrive]

We'll see ....!! :D

[FlashDrive]

We'll see ....!! :D

[brian nordstrom]

:question: we will

[brian nordstrom]

:eyepop: Definatly an APO there Andrew , all I need now is some clear nights ???
Thanks mate ,
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:question: 5mm ??? :lol:.
:rofl: hope yours is on her way there Flash ..
Brian.

[FlashDrive]

5mm ..... naaah ...!!! :whistle: she'll be in the running mate ... :prey2: TV85

and the ' Winner ' is :party2: :lol2:

Flash :astron: :D

[brian nordstrom]

Here is a few photos of the new 90mm APO , its a lot smaller than I thought it would be ,:) you con see in the photos .
:hi: Its only a little fatter than my Darlin's Pronto.
Enjoy .I will ..... when the weather clears , new scope skies here ,
5mm's :shrug: ,, Flash ,,, :shrug:

[brian nordstrom]

It makes my Ed80 look big :question:.

[FlashDrive]

Nice piece of kit there Brian :thumbsup:

[stardust steve]

looks great. I would love one of those one day. Gotta learn how to use mine first though :lol:
You must be so keen to use it. Nice addition.:thumbsup:

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Thanks Flash and Steve , all we need now is a little fine weather , but I did get a peek at the moon yesterday morning at 5am and it was very nice, super sharp and lots of detail seen .
Steve stick with it if you want and scopes like this will become common place as the chinese pump them out , good for us tho . :D .
Brian.

[traveller]

That has to be the best pair of bino-viewers :lol:.
Seriously, a great grab and go.

[brian nordstrom]

:D yes Bo it will be , I just measured it and fully retracted and including the 2 inch diagonal it is 450mm long , :thumbsup:.
Ha ha Bino's , I like it ..:rofl:.
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:D Hi all , here is a few more photos of my LP90mm APO on its final resting place , my lovely Vixen Polaris mount ;).
The Losmonday holdere is the spare that come with my ED127 , and all I had to do was fabricate up a rail at work over this last weekend ( yes working 7 days :shrug:) , its a lot cheeper than buying one thats for sure !! .
Hope you all enjoy , as I do .
ps. I had an awsome session last night with this set up , ( day off today ) and I cant praise the Vixen mount enough , a really nice mount for the 90mm .:thumbsup: .
Brian.

[spacezebra]

Hi Brian

Many thanks for posting these pics - Ill be watching with keen interest on your astrophotos. Im still keen on the orion but as said earlier could be persuaded otherwise.

Cheers Petra d.

[brian nordstrom]

:) Thanks Petra , what ever you choose I think it would be a good choice , so much well priced gear around today .
:thanx:
On the gear thing , here are a few more photos of the 90mm APO with its new Antares 90degree 50mm finder that arrived today courtisy of a fellow IIS"r , thanks Troy .:thumbsup:.
Brian.

[MattT]

Hi Brian,
Another refractor sees the light WOOHOO. Can't have to many as you know:D Just been pointing my 4 and 6" scopes at the moon for the first time and very impressive too not much colour at all. Hope your beautiful black scope is giving great views.Love the illuminated finderscope.
Cheers, Matt

[casstony]

I suspect this is the same scope as the Megrez 88 f/5.6, but a couple hundred cheaper - it would be interesting to have them side by side to see if the view is the same.

[dannat]

Tony it would seem like that, i wonder why WO thought decreasing aperture from 90 to 88 would make much diff esp when they have the M90. i would have thought a triplet 85 would have made more marketing sense

[casstony]

Daniel, there might be a difference in the clear aperture or not - the Stellarvue 105 triplet has the same lense cell as the Sharpstar 106 and APM 107, and now the Sharpstar 106 has been replaced by a Sharpstar 107 - marketing funny buggers.

[FlashDrive]

Looking good Brian .... finder is a good match.

Flash :hi:

[brian nordstrom]

:question:You may be right there Tony as Luke at Andrews mentioned something similar when I brought this one .
The optics in mine are first rate ,and at 200x give a perfect aeiry disc with one faint ring , and the in and out of focus are very similar , just a little spherical aperation seen at the 200x on the outer ring , very , very small and I aint bothered by this .
The moon last night was totaly colour free and when it was just out of the field of view of my 22mm Pan the light scatter was very well supressed , also the sky was black around the moon so the baffeling is of a good design and well exicuted . :thumbsup:.
All in all for $850 delivered its a great scope , sexy and very well made , small enough to be carry on luggage .
Oh yes one more thing the focuser is very good out of the box , a seldom seen thing on todays mass produced chinese scopes .. :)
I am extremely happy with it .
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Yea Flash it was to good to pass up , I used it last night and it has very good optics and is easy to focus with its bino looking focuser and eyepiece , yep :D very happy with both ..:hi:.
TV on the horizon ?? there mate ??
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:) Yes Matt , I hear you mate , these things can get very addictive , very :help: fast !! .
Yes the moon has been good this month , I have been out most nights looking at it , super crisp and sharp in a refractor ..:D..
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:question: Just one thing ,, WO dont use FPL53 glass in the 88mm , as my LP90 does , so the similarity might end there ?
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:shrug: No takers on the WO Megrez ? Comparo , there must be a few out there ?:question: ..
Brian.

[FlashDrive]

Nice bit of machine work there Brian.
It's always nice to do a ' professional ' job for your gear.

Nice work :thumbsup:

Flash ... :hi:

[brian nordstrom]

;) Chance of a good lense set ??? ..
I got a full 90 mm , .
Yea a compro would be good ,:question:
see how this design is still kicking ?? :question:
Get better at quality .:question:
Yes Chinese people can do this ... Fast . .:thumbsup:.
Its life today with china awakening ..
Nostradamas , said in the 1400's ,, this .
'China is a sleeping giant ,,,
Let it sleep...
Because when she awakenes..
He will shake the world .'
Yep .:thumbsup: .
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:DOops forgot the second photo .
Sorry ..

[brian nordstrom]

:lol: Hows the holiday and new scope ....Good for you ,
:thumbsup:
:D.
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:thanx: Mate , Had to be done by hand , as our Boilermaker work shop has a small ******* file on that bench ...
True Flash , cut a filed by hand at 60 degrees , it works well with the new fpl53 90 mm owner ,,:thumbsup: do ? I hear 85 ....?
Brian.

[FlashDrive]

:( Not much happening here ... rain... cloudy .... unable to have a good go at it yet.

Scope never came with a ' vixen ' style dovetail bar to suit the TeleVue Clam-Shell ... Rang Bintel ... sending me one next week.

Have it mounted on a ' heavy duty ' Tripod ... no slow motion controls ... have to keep ' nudging ' it to keep ' target ' in eyepiece view..... just a bit irritating to say the least.

Anyway .... next week should be better once the part arrives.

Flash :hi:

[brian nordstrom]

:hi:
Brian.:D sh!t Brian wipe that smile off your face , :thumbsup: .
Another perfect night up here ..:hi: ..
as Brian said ...
The DRY has come early ' this year ...
Enjoy mate.

[casstony]

hi Brian, I had a Megrez 88 out a couple nights ago - don't know what glass it has but there was negligible CA in focus with green on one side and magenta on the other. focus was touchy but I didn't have the benefit of low gear - need to pull the focus shaft apart for adjustment. views seemed quite sharp with no obvious aberrations, eg. Decentering, astigmatism. haven't measured the objective but I'm away from home ATM. could only go to 100X but light and dark features were visible on mars
.

[brian nordstrom]

:) Thanks Tony for that , there must be a differance as mine easily holds 200x plus and is almost totally colour free , as you say there are no other abberations seen at high powers while doing a star test (5mm lanthium and ultima 2x barlow ) exactly 200x .
Not bad at all considering its working at f/5.5 :thumbsup:..
Brian.

[casstony]

Could only go to 100x due to atmosphere, not optics :)

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Ok , it is also hard to acheave high powers with only 500mm f/l .
Brian.

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Just ordered a LP 3mm planetary eyepiece from Andrews today and I will let you all know how it performs in the 90mm APO, when it arrives , only $59. :) a good price.
My other lowest fl eyepiece is my LV 4mm , I can see another comparo comming up :hi:.
166x without a barlow it will be interesting ? and WOAW!! 317x in the 127 triplet :eyepop:..
I will post a photo when it arrives .

[brian nordstrom]

:hi: Yes "Black' is cool , but its a blardy "Finger Print" magnet .Oh well you ;) cant have it all I suppose ? :shrug:.
Brian.

[Larryp]

Hi everyone-I'm new on this site.
Have just purchased Long Perng 90mm, and am reasonably happy with it. I haven't done a lot with it as yet, but bright deep sky stuff is impressive-but I have a feeling it is a bit soft on planetary observing. I'll reserve judgement until I have used it under better conditions.
Luke at Andrews was unsure of the glass used, so I contacted the factory, and they say it is FPL51. Colour correction seems pretty good though

[casstony]

Hi Laurie, thanks for the info and welcome to IIS. It probably is the same scope as the Megrez 88 but they've squeezed a couple of extra mm's out of the objective - nice little visual scope in any case.

Tony

[Larryp]

Certainly is Tony. Thanks for the welcome!

[Larryp]

Hi Tony-just had email from Long Perng confirming LP90 mm and Megrez 88 mm use the same lens

[casstony]

It's interesting that LP will provide info about glass types; WO is more coy about the objectives in their scopes. The Megrezz 88 wasn't available for very long so I'm curious to see if the repackaged LP is more popular.

I just tuned up the focuser on the used Megrez 88 I bought - pulled it apart to find out why the dual speed wasn't working and it turned out I only needed to tighten a grub screw - works like a new one now.

[Larryp]

Hi Tony-have you tried planetary observing with your Megrez? I have not had good enough seeing conditions as yet, to really evaluate the LP, but I just have a feeling it is not quite there for this purpose. I will wait for better conditions to be sure. Could not see any features on Mars, but seeing terrible, and Saturn looked better, but could barely make out Cassini division. Lunar views are tack-sharp, even at 200x

[Larryp]

Long Perng seem very open about their designs. I called the factory to find out about the glass used, and the lady I spoke to took my email and said I would hear from them. Shortly after I received email with an attachment from their catalogue showing the specifications for their 80mm and 90mm scopes. I replied to the email asking if this lens was the same as Megrez 88mm, and received a confirmation that it is indeed the same lens. I anyone would like to see the catalogue page, please supply an email address and I will forward it.

[casstony]

I've only had one chance to look at Mars and that was at 100x in poor conditions - light and dark areas were still visible, though not as obvious as in an 8" SCT I had out at the same time. That's to be expected though; I find a larger scope almost always shows a better image regardless of the conditions, with better contrast and colour saturation.

When testing a scope I prefer to have another out at the same time to compare the views - avoids being tricked by not taking into account one variable or another.

[Larryp]

Thanks for the advice Tony. I used to have a Televue Pronto years ago, while I was waiting on delivery of AP 6" Starfire. Pronto was amazing-could use 200x on Mars and clearly see polar cap and surface markings, and I guess I am remembering that when evaluating the LP.

[casstony]

Thanks for the catalogue Laurie. That's the first time I've seen a manufacturer supply details of the glass types used. It's interesting that the LP 80 to 100mm (and megrez 88) doublets all use the same glass type for the mating element (NBM51) and it's not a cheap glass, it's price being in the same range as FPL51.
http://www.oharacorp.com/pdf/glass-chart-2012.pdf

[Larryp]

Obviously not a cheap lens Tony. Thanks for the glass chart

[Per Johansson]

Hi all!

I have been looking for glass info about the LP 100 F/6 doublet. Some places on the web lists it as FPL-51 and others as FPL-53. Was that in the details supplied by LP?

BR

/Per Johansson

[casstony]

Hi Per, the LP 100 f/6 doublet uses FPL51 + NBM51, so it should have similar performance to the 90 f/5.5, nice visually but not ideal for imaging. Welcome to IIS :)

[Per Johansson]

Thanks! It seems logical that the 100 should use the same glass as the 90 as it is not much more in price.
I have seen reports that the 100 has visually similiar ca correction as the Skywatcher ed 80 so I guess it is the mating glass that makes it so good. I have also seen a startest were it looks like the megrez 88 and 72 show less ca than the United optics/Kunming 102 F7 (Astro prof/Starwave/Ikharus/Orion) and 70 F6 (TS):
http://www.teleskop-austria.at/information/Vega_testphotos_apochromats.jpg
I want it both for visual and photo. The few images I have seen have been through mono cameras with rgb filters so the CA will not show.

[Larryp]

Hi Tony-I said before I wasn't sure about my LP90. Finally determined the lens wasn't as good as it should be, and exchanged the scope. New one is excellent-great star images and good planetary resolution. I was interested in your comment that LP90 is a good visual scope, but not so good for imaging.
My astrophotography goes back to the hypered film days, and since I have been out of the hobby for 15 years or so, I am not yet familiar with modern CCDs.
I would like to get a colour ccd camera at some stage, but I notice the LP90 has some ca at the red end on bright objects, so does this rule it out for colour ccd imaging?

[casstony]

Glad to hear you got a good scope Laurie - did you determine if there was a particular aberration or lens assembly problem with the first one?

My comment about imaging was just a general one based on this being a fast fpl51 doublet - I have to focus very precisely to get views with no apparent CA and I imagine a colour CCD would be less forgiving.

[Terry B]

I would ahve thought almost the opposite.
A 90mm scope of any type will only give dim views visually due to the limited light collection.
For photos with a monochrome CCD then you would just need to focus slightly differently for the blue channel.

[casstony]

The 90mm scope doesn't do well for close up views of DSO's. The C11 isn't so good for quick looks or wide fields. Different scopes for different jobs :) although I'm currently a bit overstocked with 3.5, 6, 8, 10 (and 12" in the mail) apertures.

I'm sure even colour CCD images through the scope would look nice, depending on how nit-picky one is about CA.

[Larryp]

Thanks for you views tony and Terry. I have seen some very nice rich field images taken with small short focus refractors, and I accept they won't be much use on something like a galaxy. Just wanted an opinion of the imaging capabilities of a LP90.
The first scope suffered from too much spherical aberration

[brian nordstrom]

:hi: Thanks Petra , I ordered my new Atik 314E CCD from andrews today , it will be here early next week , :thumbsup:Now its just the learning to ,,, well , learn :lol: . how to drive it .
My 1st CCD camera.:shrug:.
I will keep you all posted .
Brian.

[Larryp]

Hi Brian
I have a LP 90mm as well, so I will be very interested to see photos with your new camera. Best wishes

[brian nordstrom]

:D I will keep you informed , and post a few when I get it sorted .:thumbsup:
It may be a while as I have never used one before .
Brian.

[casstony]

Here's a single frame taken with a dslr behind the Megrez 88 at prime - didn't have the right adapters to use a barlow unfortunately. I'll get a shot of the Moon when I can.

[Larryp]

nice photo Tony

[brian nordstrom]

:thumbsup: Very nice , Tony , what filter did you use ? looks like a Kendrik ?
Brian.

[casstony]

It's Baader visual solar film; I'd had a 10cm square piece laying in the draw for 10 years or more and cobbled together a filter and camera adapter for the Megrez the day before the transit.
Here's the setup and the wife looking dashing kitted out for solar viewing :)

[brian nordstrom]

:) Great set up .
Just goes to show what can be achieved with little money .
On the photo I cant see any CA in that shot , and the suns image behind the black disc of venus can be unforgiving .
Super sharp photo .
Brian.

[casstony]

Well the photo quality certainly can't be put down to operator skill.

Tony: "How do you change the shutter speed"
Cass: "Give me a look"......... bumbles around with settings for a while.
Tony: "I'll go and have a look on the computer"............. "press the af button and turn the wheel"
Cass: "It's not working"
I go back over to the scope to help.
Cass: "Oh, there's another af button"
.......and so on :).

I've got some adapters on the way to connect the camera to my Hyperion zoom - be interesting to see if the CA shows up with more magnification. It was actually very easy to focus looking through the camera viewfinder, not as easy using the live-view screen.

It is a nice little scope for playing around with simple imaging. I even ordered a field flattener but I'll be limiting myself to what can be done without a laptop, guiding, etc. I guess I'll have to learn drift alignment.

[brian nordstrom]

:lol: You forgot a couple of sentences here Tony ,

Tony : hows it look ?
Wife : I will tell you soon .ok .
Tony : is it in focus ?
Wife : soon .... :mad2:. OK .
Tony: OK dear ...

Thanks for the photo mate its a beauty.
:rofl:,
Yep , that happens a lot around here , even after I got her a beautiful TV Pronto ( Oops , I just realised , the TV has no solar filter ,, OOPS!! ) .. Oh well , I do love her ..;).
Brian.