I hate Apple

[allan gould]

Dumb stupid system! After firing up my iPad it decided that it needed to be reset. Ok fine. Did that then went latterly to the iTunes store and guess what it not longer recognizes my login password. Trie dto set a new one. Did that and now it wants me to give them all the billing information again. Tried that but then it says the apple store is unavailable at the moment so try again later.
Stupid crappy system tried three times and still can't get in.
Hate apple and therir anal systems and the spell checker doesn't even work properly

Rant off!

[renormalised]

Everyone seems to be having a rant today about computers:):)

[skysurfer]

Known issue, it is not Apple itself but the damned iTunes and AppStore. You cannot buy items from a US AppStore even when you have entered a valid credit card number.
Apple Mac is very good but iOS has a lot of limitations. Like a car with a lock on the engine hood and you can only take gasoline from a single vendor.

[bobson]

Oh boy! I can hear storm is coming ;)

cheers

[Stardrifter_WA]

I had the same problem, a couple of days ago, but solved ok, not entirely sure how though. It came about when I upgraded iTunes, which is definitely something I will NEVER do again.

It appears to have trouble whenever it does an upgrade. I am not sure if it has auto upgrade, as I am prompted to upgrade. I don't like auto updates, I always switch these off, particularly the Windows auto updates.

I also had the trouble buying from iTunes store. Even though it showed the correct card details, I deleted and did it again.

All working fine now. I should have known better, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :D

Remember, anything to do with computers can and does go wrong. It is extremely complex coding after all.

I love Apple and iTunes. Just think what it was like without it. I just love the app store and have some fantastic apps.

Sure, I don't like everything about Apple, but I wouldn't be without my iPod and pad.

[iceman]

You can turn the autocorrect off.

[allan gould]

Mike, it's amazing how it will put some really crazy word substitutions for astronomical phases and still let some of my bad typing/spelling uncorrupted and I also hate how it americanises every spelling. Stupid apple.
I've switched autocorrect off now but still acnt log into the store and give it my details, so sod it. I just won't purchase anything.

[stephenb]

sorry Allan no suggestions from me. My iTunes/iCloud/Apple ID has never missed a beat from day one. Love my Apple products.

[Bassnut]

That's right girlfriend, join the club.

Try typing "Tool" (one of the biggest rock bands in the US) into iTunes search and you get pictures of..........a hammer:shrug:

I tried bying a Powderfinger album once (OZ iTunes), "not available" ,:shrug::mad2: . Got it via google".........free, in 30 seconds flat :shrug:

[Omaroo]

Wow - the crazy headline makers do it again eh? LOL! Tizz night! C'mon Allan - give us something sensible to work huh? Instead of bringing out the machine gun why don't you just ask for help?

1) How long have you had your iPad?

2) Is it and iTunes (I bet its the bloody Windows version) up to date? Really?

3) Did you try the big "Forgot Password?" button first?

[Omaroo]

Gnnnnnnnn! Wrong Fred.

Tool, the band, have not signed up to iTunes - their choice. They don't believe in internet-based distribution - whether it's paid-for or not. Same with Metallica and ADCD. They'll eventually relent, we just have to wait. It's not a fault of Apple - but rather the band or their management.

Powderfinger? You have to type "p...o..w...d..e..r..f..i..n..g..e.. r" into the search field - and then magically:

;) Remember - bands are signing up over time, and not all immediately flock to the new medium. The rate at which CD sales are declining suggests they will have to....

[Bassnut]

Well, re win 7. I can't wait for the day that Apple makes a iPad that runs win 7, or someone copies the brilliant iPad user interface with win 7 installed.

[Omaroo]

1) You're joking, right - why would you say that? ;) It will never, ever happen of course. iOS is maturing, it's relatively new and you're all expecting it to never have an issue and be perfect on your Windows-infested environments at home? Apple don't have control over what you force their machines to interoperate with, and I think they do a pretty splendid job of it. Think about it. Bit unrealistic, no? In time terms, iOS is still as young as Windows 3 was when it was still ant pantz and all the rage. Give iOS time - it's a brilliant system now and will only get better.

I think I'll duck out of this thread, because that brain-dead post title has me riled. You can't argue against sensationalism. I picture the poster sitting there, foaming at the mouth, over a small problem.

[Poita]

You don't want Win7 on an iPad. Seriously the form factor of a Tablet doesn't work well with an OS and apps not designed from the ground up for tablets.
e.g. mouse hovering doesn't translate well, neither does the interface design for standard Windows / OSX apps. I worked at Fujitsu for years, they have always made the best full windows tablets, still have a lovely one from 1999, they make Win7 ones right now. They work just great, but a full OS and apps not designed for a tablet interface makes most programs with them to heavy and an exercise in frustration.
So if you want a Win7 tablet, you can buy one today, but I'll bet good money you won't enjoy the experience.

As for them not letting you access or reset your account without some security measures, well I would be worried if it was too easy. It is annoying with any company when their servers/store is down, but it usually isn't for long from any company. I've never experienced it with apple, haven't had a problem in iTunes at all really, but I don't run it in windows, so can't comment there.

[Bassnut]

Chris, Powderfinger wasn't available on the day I tried. I suppose at the time they were in the Tool camp.

Tool and the others you mention arnt stupid, they are also huge in the music business. Anyway, that not the point. iTunes store is not the fountain of all music (yet,I wish they were), it just adds to the frustration that they have massive holes in there inventory and tempts one to just not bother with all the uber anal systems they have in place to make the experience as difficult as possible, and just get it for free via google in half the time.

I don't mind paying BTW, just don't make it harder than getting it for free.

[Poita]

The spellcheck works for me if I choose Australian location and British keyboard and British English it doesn't Americanizzze for me.

[Omaroo]

Yeah - I have a Fujitsu tablet too - an ST-5032 Stylistic. Not a bad machine, but if I lose that bloody stylus just one more time it's in the bin. These tablets and Windows Tablet as an OS are niche market machines. They never sold in numbers and no wonder why - Windows sucks on a tablet. Simple as that. There's no point, as Peter has correctly stated, in asking Windows to host a multi-touch application suite - they just won't work as intended. Windows 8 might correct a little of the problem, but then you'll have no applications for years.

[Bassnut]

OI, punk, I thought you had dipped out of the thread ;):lol:

[Omaroo]

Oh yeah....

[Omaroo]

Dammit Fred.. :lol: This isn't me typing.... :P

I didn't say they were stupid or even imply it. I said that they don't believe in internet distribution because songs can be and are sold independently - i.e. they can be bought without having to purchase the whole album. I think that this thinking will eventually die because it quite frankly must. These guys will only be able to hold out for so long. CD's have a very short life expectancy at this point - as do record shops unfortunately. It's a bit bull-headed to try and force people to buy your entire album unless you're setting out to make a Floydesque "theme" album that really is intended as a whole-album experience. I'm not into Tool, but do they produce these theme albums or mere track collections? I bet they'll argue the former... :shrug:

[stephenb]

I typed "tool" into my iTunes search and didn't get any hammers - got plenty of bands/song titles/album names/apps/podcasts etc, with the word "tool" in them (as I would expect!) Not sure what you're doing to get a picture of a hammer? Sure you're not still stuck in Google? :lol:

As Chris has stated, Tool and their management refuse(d) to sign to iTunes - not iTunes fault.

Windows on an iPad? Will never happen. In the history of technology consumers have never had so much choice when it comes to non-essential gadgets, yet we as an individual, must whine when things don't do exactly, precisely what we want them to do. I've never had an issue with any Apple product that has been life threatening, jepardised my capacity to get through the day or threatened to bring down society.

[Octane]

I listen to some pretty bizarre out there stuff that not many have heard of, and, it's all there, in iTunes. Yikes.

H

[Bassnut]

See, thats annoying, I had to delet most of yr message so I could add a reply (I'm doing this on an iPad) long quotes don't allow room for a reply :shrug:

Anyway, ok, ok I get it, I didn't mean win 7 as is. I mean a tablet friendly win 7 from the ground up, with Apple-type magic to make it work properly.

It's funny, I went to buy my daughter a tiny cheapy net book (around $300) for when she travels around Europe from Harris tech . She loves my iPad, but wants to use PS regularly so it had to have win 7. Harris tech said "we don't have any, no one wants that **** anymore, tablets are the way to go.....man" and then pointed to a $3000 tablet that ran win 7. I quietly pointed out that the 10 times price for the same functions might be a problem , went down the road to office works (owned by the same company BTW) and got the net book there. Loaded CS5, absolutely worked a treat, and now my daughter doesn't go near my $1000 iPad.

The netbook has win 7, CS5, a 10 hr battery, wi fi etc, AND A USB SOCKET, runs flash,Facebook etc all the things she needs, for a third of the price of an IPad !, and for her, does far more than an IPad.

Despite the fact that I prefer the iPad over a netbook, simply for the interface alone, for simple day to day surfing and emails, Apple has a LONG way to go before it comes CLOSE to the functionality of a netbook with win 7.

[Octane]

You're missing the point.

The iPad is /not/ a netbook replacement. It was never touted as one.

It's sort of half-way between a mobile phone and a computer.

If you want a laptop, get a laptop. Or a MacBook Air, or MacBook, or MacBook Pro.

H

[Hagar]

Another bashhing thread. Great stuff guy's. Fred to the red corner and Chris to the blue. In fact Apple to the blue, or is it Chris or is it apple. No matter campaigners to their respective corners. What happens when the two of them start to use fuzzy logic in their programing. Both will just fight with each other and the campaigners will be out of a job.
Both bits of crap that pretty well do what they like, just a differing company protocol to extract money from our pockets and both good at it.

I do have to agree with you though Fred. Apple are way to restrictive in what they allow you to run and use and buy band the way it is used etc, etc. I own an Ipad and an IPhone but doubt I will buy another when either of these give up the ghost. Sorry Chris but PC base is just so much open and usable for what I use a computer for. I can even change the batteries myself.

[irwjager]

Apple, has played a big role in 'commodifying' computing in various forms.

That said, as a MacOSX and iOS developer (who refuses to drink the kool aid), I hate Apple with a passion. The restrictions and hoops you have to jump through just to publish an app on iOS is enough to make a grown man cry. iOS is completely walled garden and everything you (may) do is controlled and locked down. Innovation is therefore greatly stifled, but if you manage to come up with something new and novel, Apple reserves the right to copy you and boot your app out of the store.

Of course, you can forget about developing for iOS if you don't have a Mac.

Not to mention the absurd patent war that is currently going on, which Apple instigated - consumers will be paying the price for that.

Not too much love for Apple from me... (though I make my living writing apps for clients who want an iOS presence).

[Omaroo]

The one thing I've and, I presume you, have never needed - ever - to change on an iPad. Why would they provide a replaceable battery when one isn't needed? All the extra cradle/lock mechanism does is take up room - resulting in your bog-standard thick and heavy Android cheapie.

I sympathise with you though Doug - if you need the functionality of a Windows machine then stay with them. I can't see the point of stating that an iPad doesn't cut it in comparison, because it was never intended to compete feature for feature. As a pure surfing/contend-absorbing lithe internet athlete the iPad absolutely excels. I run a MacBook Air as well as my iPad - because I do, on occasion need more power. Doesn't diminish my iPad's role in my house though.

On the old chestnut - these perceived restrictions. Ivo - my company also develops apps for both the iOS and Android platforms. I respect what Apple are trying to do here - deliver and maintain a consistently-reliable user experience. This is is ultra-important to Apple - they made their name on user simplicity. Your applications and self are put through the App Store ringer for very good and valid reasons. I don't believe that their practises stifle creativity - take a look at music apps on both platforms. Android hasn't even reached the stage where universal and compliant MIDI control is available yet. iOS has had it for ages. Horses for courses. These two giants (iOS and Android) will leap-frog each other for decades - and to our mutual benefit!

Patent war? It isn't Apple's sole domain - so don't make out that it is. Apple developed a USABLE multi-touch interface and brought it to market first. They spend squillions on getting it there. If I were them and went through the pain to achieve it, I'd be pretty pi$$ed that some other company (that was MEANT to be in partnership) came along and blatantly copied the concept. Multitouch isn't an original Apple concept, but they developed it to the point where it was usable. Give them some credit.

Jeez I'm hopeless - I knew this would happen. :lol:

[Bassnut]

No, your missing the point H. A netbook is not a laptop, The size factor between a net book and iPad is getting dam close. An iPad type interface with the functionality/compatibilty of win 7 would be a killer. Win 7 is not hard to use on a netbook at all.

The "half way" deal of an iPad will be short lived.

[The_bluester]

One thing that I would have to pick there Chris.

"As a pure surfing/content absorbing etc etc device"

I run across too many websites that contain flash, which for whatever reasons good or bad, apple has decided is verboten on iPhones and iPads etc to buy another one, I am typing this on my ipad2. I think it is a very good device however the arrogance of deciding that portions of the Internet which use a well established and common thing like flash will be off limits to me means that unless they change that mindset, when it is up for replacement it will be my last as I will buy a device which supports the functionality I want it to.

[Omaroo]

Paul - Adobe have dropped Flash support altogether, as well as future development for ALL mobile devices, and are taking up the Apple lead and going down the HTML5 path instead. They have realised that there are too many inherent problems with Flash on all mobile systems (yes, Android included) - as Jobs pointed out to them some time back. in saying that - your problem is suddenly not a problem any more, but an advantage. Websites will soon either accommodate both Flash and HTML5 content in parallel, or they'll lose hits.

[Omaroo]

You have that already in the Android-based net-ultra-wibbly-wobbly-something-books that Acer are producing right now - the Transformer Prime. Well, until they won't be able to call it that any more. :rolleyes: Don't know why, but Taiwanese/Chinese manufacturers seem to have little regard for copyright and branding.

[The_bluester]

That may well be so, but they have left their users in limbo with pretty little "install flash player to view this content" messages all over the internet for years as a result.

While flash is common, if the continue to not even allow it to be developed for their devices, I will buy a different device next time. Within reason a tablet is a tablet is a tablet and while I do like my iPad I am no slave to apple so next time it will have to support it or go west.

I also have a heap of media on m y home network but have to jump through silly hoops to get it on the device, and stopping me from getting iTunes brought music (brought on a mobile) off it to back it up or play it on other (non apple) devices is very close to third line forcing IMO.

[Omaroo]

I enjoy reading with my iPad in bed or lounging around on my favourite reading chair. Anything that has to be placed on a flat surface to work - like a note/netbook of any kind, where you have to type downwards onto a flat keyboard, simply won't...uhmmm... work. I'd use my little MacBook Air if it did. It doesn't. You know that Fred. ;)

[Bassnut]

Oh really, well lucky you ;). I had to replace a battery on an iPhone, guess what happens when you walk into an Apple store and ask for a spare battery
:lol:, your treated like a complete nana, "oh no, you can't have that, are you stupid even asking?" Only Apple :thumbsup:

I got one on the net natch, no problem. Pity Apple cant be bothered with even that level of support.

[Omaroo]

I'll reiterate. Flash won't be supported by Adobe itself any more. There will be no Flash on websites one day soon. Hopefully sooner than later. Your point about holding Apple to ransom over not supporting it by not buying Apple won't fix your problem - and neither will buying Android instead - because neither will run it in later OS's. It's dead - gone to meet its maker, pinin' for the fjords, nailed to the perch. The holes you speak of will be disappearing as time goes on and web builders leave Flash for HTML5. There are plenty of detractors out there - so here we go... :)

iTunes - list your tracks on screen. Select those you want. Drag to desktop. Sent to friends. Put on PC device. It works. Have you tried? I've done this and sent a friend or two tracks that were even bought on iTunes - and are "meant" to be DRM protected. Go figure. Very handy though.

[Bassnut]

Exactly, that's why I love my iPad too :thumbsup:

Just wait till some one puts the same physical experience with win 7, properly, just like an iPad.

[Omaroo]

I said iPad Fred, not iPhone. ;) The average iPad battery lasts for at least 10 hours - longer than most people need day to day. I've never used it long enough to have actually run out of juice - except on a 16 hour flight when watching movies and reading books. I simply plugged it in to the airline seat to charge - no biggie - and kept going.

Replacement batteries aren't considered "spare" as such - they're replacement! Did you buy one thinking that you could have it in your glovebox ready to change it every day on the way home after work? Take your car charger with you! :P I take it that you're giving me bollocks because you know I'll bite. :lol: I don't take any one person's negative shopping experience as the universal modus operandi for any store or brand. 99.99 percent of people would NOT want to change their own battery by levering open their very expensive tech toy - so why would Apple make them available through Apple stores? You're a special case Fred - because you, like me, are fully capable or buggering the warranty and opening up our devices to change a measly stuffed battery. I understand that not being able to commonly buy one is a pain. I bought one for my old iPhone 3GS off eBay a while ago and it's certainly not difficult to do.

[Bassnut]

I know you said iPad, the iPhone is a similar deal, Apple won't sell you a battery for either.

Spare or replacement, don't care, same diff, it's just a battery.

The battery carked it, I just needed another one.

[Stardrifter_WA]

I am sorry, but you can't completely blame Apple for the people it's Australian arm employs, particularly given that retail outlets have a great deal of problems finding decent staff. Although the person behind the counter is the "face" of Apple, it cannot be Apple's fault if that person doesn't do his job properly, or if he personally doesn't care, which is what I have mostly experienced.

In today's market, giving really great service can be the difference between a company staying in business or not. When I find a person that gives really great service I tend to only deal with that person, case in point, Michael or Don at Bintel; or Klaus at Extravisions, which just happens to be the only three astro salespersons that I deal with in Australia.

I think your comments are justified, but only to a point. It isn't the product and it isn't whether you have a problem with that product, it is how the problem is dealt with is the important thing and as far as it goes, you are correct in your comments. But, don't complain about it unless you have sent a compliant to their head office.

If head office is made aware, they may respond very differently, they may actually want to make sure you have a good experience with their product. Although I haven't had to deal with Apple at this level, I can't comment. But, I have with other companies, because of their staff giving shoddy service and I have had very positive responses, in the most part. And those times I didn't, I stopped dealing with those companies and their products.

If you are not prepared to go to that level, then don't blame the product or service you get. Apple is a big corporation and cannot watch over all it's staff, all the time. No corporation can or should have to, for that matter.

I will always complain about bad service, otherwise the company doesn't know and cannot do anything about it. Most companies will, I have found.

[irwjager]

Yes, I had to replace the battery on my iPhone 2G because it wouldn't hold charge anymore (just out of warranty of course). Let me tell you that procedure is not for the faint hearted.

Battery life on my iPod Touch 3G is starting to look iffy as well. Must be something I do to them... :shrug:

Chris, these restrictions are very real unfortunately and do very much impact consumer choice and innovation.

Many a cool idea died on the drawing board because of Apple's restrictions (I work with a creative agency, mainly active in the music industry). My latest iOS app was an app for Alice Cooper's new album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBsZuyTXdA8). We had to significantly rein in the client's expectations (distributing interactive tracks as individual apps, aggregating them, making cross mixes) because such a thing is not allowed by Apple.

Other areas that consumers miss out on due to Apple's restrictions is the vast realm of emulators, as well as anything under the GPLv2 license such as the popular open source VLC player which had to be pulled from the store because of it.

There is also - and I admit it is not everyone's cup of tea - a huge demand for bringing interactive (non-web) content from the adult industry to mobile devices. It's again an area where consumers on iOS that do want access to such content miss out.

Straight ports of games from yesteryear that use a framebuffer (e.g. individual pixel manipulation) are also impossible because Apple does not allow the use of the necessary APIs.

Look, I appreciate quality control and can even appreciate Apple's thinking as you describe it, but in actual fact there's more to it. If Apple were really concerned with offering just 'quality' software, then that is still no reason to disallow parallel app stores to exist. They don't have to endorse it at all, but they should leave the user (and creator) the choice on how to use their devices. Just like Google have their own store and there are many other stores.

As for Android's abysmal state of audio reproduction, I couldn't agree more. They have finally addressed the latency issue to some degree in ICS though, but it is still much higher than iOS. But at least I am allowed, even encouraged(!), to hook up an Arduino to my Android enabled device to make all sorts of wild musical peripherals. :P

Let's not forget that Android can not build on the legacy of MacOSX like iOS does (iOS is a straight derivative of MacOSX as you know), so I do cut them some slack.

On Android though, rooting (no, that's not Aussie slang! ;)) your phone is now accepted by the big manufacturers as a fact of life. And if I don't like how Google implemented MIDI control, at least I'm free to write it myself and compile myself a new ROM.

Cheers,

[stephenb]

Apple have been able to (1) increase the battery capacity in their products and (2) create more space within their products, simply due to transforming "replaceable" batteries into "fixed" batteries. This eliminates a substantial amount of packaging within the battery, and creates more real estate in the device. My iPods, iPhones, iPads and Macbooks have never needed replacement batteries.

I have just completed reading Steve Jobs' bio for the second time and all of the Apple philosophies and general reasonings behind their design and functionality decisions are detailed in the book. And, I might add, make perfect sense to me. I fully recommend the book to anyone interested in technology and the history of computers in general.

[Omaroo]

Good post Ivo. Depending on circumstance, I can see some of your points. We, too, are in publishing. Some of the rules suck, granted. Big picture? It's pretty good still.

If you want low network latency in a highly-pushed MIDI environment - go OSX/iOS ad-hoc networking. Latency is almost non-existent. Here's my little video explaining this to the Moog user's forum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUPT-CaFG0

And from another musician who was having real latency issues over his wired network:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1VgbbUAZQ

[Omaroo]

That's pretty-much it. Bigger processor, bigger battery required. Room is the key. Apple have done it, the rest haven't. It isn't a design deficiency, it's a plus!

[Bassnut]

I was being a tad flippent actually. Replaceing the battery is not a trivial task, I can well imagine Apple dont want to sell batteries because of the grief that could bounce back when an average joe-blow trys to do it. I dont think its a matter of bad service, more company policy.

I can see why the battery is fixed too, it has advantages for a fairly short-life product.

[allan gould]

The facts were these.
After rebooting my iPad I I tried to access the app store to download an app. But it said wrong password. I've had this ipad for about 12 months with no problems with the app store or anything.
It was suggested by the apple/app store that I change my password which I did. With my new password the damned AppStore keeps booting me off by saying it's not available or can't take my application.
So dont say I don't know what I'm doing wrong. As it's the apple/iTunes/app store that has such a rigid or frigid attitude ATM.
It's like shouting at a brick wall. Ive filled out my credit details etc several tmes but the app store is not available for the last 8hrs or so they say any mt application keeps bouncing but I did get to change my password.
Still no correct response from the app store and have sent a message to apple to ask what gives.
I'm using version 4 of the operating system. As I didn't upgrade after all the problems others have had.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Sorry, taken out of context. My apologies. :) But my point still stands.:D

[skysurfer]

I hope Youtube and Vimeo read this. These sites are still heavily dependant on Flash and cannot be shown on an iDevice.
Many other sites (e.g. CNN) use Flash as well.


iTunes is really crap. I once restored a backup to my iPad and it deleted other apps for which I did not request. It 'syncs' which means it deletes sometimes items randomly.
Since then i NEVER used iTunes again and don't need it for my iPad anymore.

[Omaroo]

Wha? You're kidding too huh? There are lots of kidders on here tonight. :) Funnily-enough I watch HEAPS of both Vimeo and YouTube videos on my iPad - via both the dedicated apps and via Safari browser. I fail to see any legitimacy in your statement. :shrug: Maybe one in a hundred don't work via Safari on the web side, and that's often a fault of the videographer who may have intentionally (or accidentally) checked the box labeled "don't show to mobile devices" on upload.

iTunes is a matter of personal choice. On a Mac, it's fantastic. Windows is..meh... Windows.



Wow - you're going to find upgrading the OS a tad difficult then... ;)

[Omaroo]

I'm sorry Allan, but leaving your device on iOS 4 is folly. You can't do that any more as the device OS and host platform application are so tightly integrated now. You're being left behind and are hoping to think that it isn't important. Go iOS 5 - it works. Period. You're putting yourself at risk by refusing to upgrade - so expect problems as a consequence. You're not charged to upgrade, so there is no legitimate argument not to do so. iOS v5.1 is currently in beta final, and will be out in a few short days if this is of any comfort. It may address issues for the few that have them. I'm running v5.01 without issue on all my devices. Some here will no doubt attempt to belt me over the earole about their's not working. Coupla days!!!! :)

Apple WILL get back to you. Have you been to the community support forum on the Apple Australia website in addition to a support email/phone call during the day?

https://discussions.apple.com/community/itunes/itunes_store

Lots of answers in there, and they do get back reasonably quickly - I know, I've used it.

The app store bass been working all night here for me. I gather you use the Australian store?

[Stardrifter_WA]

Yes, I am inclined to agree, windows sucks! I would buy an Apple but the cost of replacing software is prohibitive and a lot of the software isn't available for Mac.

[stephenb]

Like Chris, I watch dozens of You Tube, Vimeo, plus many news services (including CNN) videos a week on my Devices and never, ever have I had one which didn't play. Not sure what you're doing wrong there.

Flash is on it's way out. Good riddance to it. So 1990's :lol:

[Omaroo]

I run an i7 27" iMac - glorious screen and lots of power. I also run a $49 piece of software called Fusion4 from VMware. I then run all my Windows apps ALONGSIDE my Mac apps - all in real time and generally without any slowing down whatsoever - all on the same desktop even. Fantastic. The ONLY thing I can't run is my QHY5 guide camera - and that's because CCDLabs refuse to write a Mac OSX/UNIX driver for it. No biggie.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Thanks Chris :thumbsup: I didn't realise you could run Windows programs on a Mac.

[Osirisra]

Jailbreak ya IOS devices, then you can do almost anything with them instead of being restricted to what Apple allows.

If you want to buy stuff from other stores like the US just make a fake US account and use switch to that when buying from that store.

[Osirisra]

vmware fusion is brilliant, heaps better than parallels or Boot camp.

[Omaroo]

There you go then! :) Macs use Intel processors just the same as Windows-specific PC's, so can easily run Windows as well - or, like I prefer, in parallel. Like all things, performance depends on how much memory you buy it with. I run Maxim on my MacBook Air alongside PHD under Windows 7 hosted by OSX. Works a treat. OSX handles all peripheral device calls on behalf of the guest operating system beautifully - it's completely seamless and stable as hell. Trevor Gerdes here on IIS is the guy to talk to - he works for VMware. Just buy it off the app store - it's only fifty bucks!

[Omaroo]

Hmmmm.... Omaroo frowns... :P

[Osirisra]

Nothing wrong with Jailbreak, it perfectly legal. What some people do with it on the other hand...well that an't

[Omaroo]

Not referring to any legality... my phone is my business lifeline. No jail breaking for me thanks.

[Osirisra]

ah ok, I've always found jailbreak to be quite stable.

[skysurfer]

In the apps, yes, but not in a browser. Unless you set Youtube to HTML 5 but not all videos are supported.
Moreover, did you ever upload an image to this forum (or any other site) via the iPad browser ?

And the reason I stick to iOS 4.3 is the jailbreak, the advantages of iOS 5 do not beat the advantages of a jailbroken 4.3.3.

But most couch surfing I do with my Galaxy which is far more versatile than iOS. Skysafari looks better despite the smaller screen because black == black and not dark blue as on the iPad. During observing I now use the Galaxy S2 in a red foil sleeve rather than the iPad.

The iPad is now being used as a Wordfeud console by my girlfriend, but the JB (and thus the SSH and web server) is still in it which make it much more usable.

iOS is a good and well-designed OS in many things better than Android, but the strict limitations make it useless for me other than a simple game or other simple app console.

But Mac OSX is the best OS I have ever seen. No silly limitations I can just use it like Linux. I have Ubuntu and Windows 7 also under VMware the latter used for DSS.

[Starcrazzy]

Wow, the original posters iPad sounds like any given windows/ android product. Did you leave it too close to a PC or something?..Perhaps its caught an infection.:lol:

[OICURMT]

Purchased an ASUS W7 Slate for my better-half... gotta admit, I'll take a "real computer" over a tablet every time.

She does a lot of work on it (as in real work, not play) and can still have all the "functionality" or lack thereof, of a tablet...

http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Slate_EP121/

Best damn tablet on the market! :thumbsup:

OIC!

[Octane]

Allan,

It seems like you're just having connectivity issues.

If your password has worked all this time, unless your account was compromised, or the App Store is barfing, you should be able to connect.

I'd say, leave it for a bit, and try again in a while.

I have to say one thing, though: if you had a problem of the same description with a PC or Windows product, would it get its own thread in the General forum of this web site, with such a strongly-worded subject line?

Not having a go at you, just a quiet observation. The number of people who have Windows issues and don't post about them is simply telling of how well the Apple system just works. That, when something does screw up, it becomes a big deal.

Kudos to Apple, and, your problem will be resolved soon. I'm sure of it.

H

[Omaroo]

Again, such as.... exactly?? A few details never hurt a post, then you won't be accused of generalising. :) I'm a corporate IT and Development director for a publishing software company and I can almost survive on amy iPad entirely! The ONLY reasons I have a MacBook Air are that the iPad just gets bogged down with large and complex spreadsheets (and the interface doesn't suit anyway) and to upload files (http post) for testing and to run web-based demos in the boardrooms of large publishing companies. I accept the policy and move on.

[mozzie]

interesting thread guys!!!!!!!

well i'm no computer expert and had several windows machines over a decade.now the family has a mac machine that the misses runs the business on 4 years old now as fast as the day we bought it no antivirus no nothing.i have a macbook pro 3 years old same thing and as quick as the day i bought it,bought the misses a ipad 2 she reads books like theres no tomorrow and surfs the net.we were going to buy 2 ds things for the kids to play games on.bugger that 2 eye phones 4s i think and wow how did i live without one of these we just buy 99c apps for games the kids can then use the phones to play the games.
i had friends that said my macs buy macs you will never go back.what worried me was it being a different system and taking ages to work it out..what the half an hour and wow they are simple................

[Omaroo]

Didn't realise you were such a big Mac user Pete :)

[mozzie]

i just use my little 13"pro surf the net,buy things here and there run skysafari...i really don't know much more then that..elise is right into it she helps me do attachments etc,but i'm getting there...
it also comes down to value for money and these machines just keep on going with nothing being done to them...

only mac owners will understand :lol::lol:

[gbeal]

And without reading from page one to here, that is the truth of it, for me anyway. Only Mac users will understand.
Gary

[mozzie]

and elise just reminded me bought a laser or something music player for my oldest boy couldn't work it.exchanged it and got a ipod nano never looked back and the young fella loves it !!!!!!!!!

[Omaroo]

It's an interesting read Gary, from start to finish. LOL

[mozzie]

chris,elise was asking about time machine should we use it for back up's

[supernova1965]

That's not all you will get for free I would love to be the IT tech that gets paid to clean your computer from WORMS, TROJANS and the other assorted MALWARE you will catch by downloading "FREE" music.

[gbeal]

To be honest Chris, I don't rise to the Apple hating threads any more. I am as dogmatic about my praise for the product as those are that hate the product, it is just human nature. Each to their own.
Gary

[xstream]

Amen brother! :thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

Absolutely Peter :) I have Apple's Time Capsule - which is an amalgamation of an AirPort Extreme WiFi router and a two terabyte hard disk. I use this to back up to every hour in the background. If I delete a file and then several days later think "gee... I could really use that file again!", I enter Time Machine, go back to any day before the deletion date... and hey presto there it is. I drag it back to my desktop. Brilliant. The only niggle is that it takes off every hour or so, so if you have a loud hard disk it sits there grumbling away for a few minutes now and again. No biggie.

If you don't have a Time Capsule as such, any large disk will do fine as long as it's more or less connected at all times. I wouldn't bother with your laptops if you don't generate actual work on them - like documents or photos. The main work machine however - absolutely! :thumbsup:

Oh - you might enjoy this on your MacBook - the one that runs SkySafari: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33578/redscreen

Run it at night - it's fantastic. A very nice deep shade of red that means you don't need to use red film.

[Omaroo]

You're a better man than I Gary. LOL...

Reading the Steve Jobs biography has further-strengthened my resolve. I've taken the same journey and been involved with Apple since 1978 when we bought our first Apple II. I share their design philosophy, and know that every employee of theirs stationed in Cupertino does too. It's a passion that stems from having a fervent artistic design streak rallied with a desire to push high tech to its commercial limit. It's more than simply banging boxes together to do the numbers. Some people understand this - most don't. I'm afraid that it gets my goat up when I see silly, purposely-chosen headlines like "I Hate Apple", when I know, understand and absolutely admire the philosophy and process that goes in to the products to make them what they are. It reflects on these passions and strikes a very ugly chord in me.

[irwjager]

Really cool Chris - didn't know you were a music-head as well :)

Here's something else we did you might find interesting (yes, that's the same guy in the video);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34WLYXLCV8w

It's something that was (until very recently) only really possible with iOS (that's two iPod Touches mounted on his arms), though the low-latency you describe can also be achieved with a Windows host.

By the way, funny you hail VmWare fusion as a great solution (and it is!) but fail to mention that, again, due to artificial Apple restrictions, the reverse (i.e. running MacOSX applications alongside Windows or Linux) is not allowed. ;)

Cheers,

[Omaroo]

Absolutely it can. No doubt about it. Along with everything else though, it's a tad more fiddly - actually LOT more fiddly to set up, that's all.



Sorry - didn't know I had to! :) Could you imagine the effort required to support this? I certainly wouldn't want to have to answer little Bobby's "but it's not working on my 486!" questions either! LOL Maybe one day now that Steve has gone, don't know. I've always thought it'd be neat to run OSX on a suitable x86 platform - high-end of course.

[supernova1965]

I think this is the reason that there are fewer problems with Mac than Windows because the hardware in Mac machines is standardised and you know that everything will work when you install Mac. With Windows the machines are not standardised and getting things to work can be difficult when there is no real standard for hardware on Mainboards and addon's

[AG Hybrid]

So Ive read this thread.
I get the impression from some of page 1 and pages 2 - 4 its about Apple > Everything. Everything less then apple is not worthy. The failings of windows and Android. Someone mentioned lack of flash availability on iOS. Then someone claiming flash is pointless due to the imminent release HTML5. Which has been talked about for the last 5 years. Something about visualization of Win7 on MAC. Something about peoples music preference... and a lot of posts by one person who seems to be the vanguard of Apple.

Sorry what this threat about again? I think it got lost on page one.

Just saying...

[Kevnool]

Love Hate Love Hate at the moment.

Cheers Kev.

[mozzie]

thanks chris-elise will do the business computer this arvo,wow the read light for my laptop is a cracker thanks for that link.......

[Octane]

You win a comprehension award! :P

H

[irwjager]

Yes, exactly zilch, zero because, like VmWare Fusion, all the hardware is virtual. It runs on the 'perfect' virtualized machine which is going to be the same no matter what system you install it on.
Virtualbox, as well as VMWare (as of vSphere 5) actually officially support MacOSX as a guest system.
As a matter of fact, you just pop in a MacOSX install DVD and away you go, no extra configuring, nothing.
Trouble is, Apple only allows MacOSX Server to be virtualized, not the desktop version (for no apparent reason) and additionally stipulates that the virtual machine must only be run on Apple hardware (eventhough the host operating system can be anything). Fun hey?

Ofcourse, if you simply ignore these limitations, you can run MacOSX just fine in any VM. I've done so (for educational purposes of course) and everything just magically works :)



Just general chat, as the sub-forum indicates ;)

Cheers,

[mozzie]

here's one for you chris.........is there a programme or setting to disable the apple that lights up on the back or my macbook pro i have black tape over it...geez it's bright in the pod of a night...

[allan gould]

I certainly started a rumpus with my little dummy spit over the iPad. I was contacted by apple after sending in my email to them outlining the problem. After following a convoluted path of instructions they fixed it all. No problems and I can't complain about the Apple service to their customers, the only thing I get from Microsoft is Mumbai calling about my infected PC.
I didn't realize how dependent I had become on the iPad for the Internet, mail and books.
Please continue to shoot at each other re apple V windows/android as my dummy spit is over thanks to Valerie of Apple customer care

[TrevorW]

Maybe APPLE v The Rest of the World, should be included as verboten in the TOS rules along with religion, race, sports and politics as well as anything else that isn't politically or gramatically correct :P;)

[Omaroo]

That's a great outcome Allan, and it certainly vindicates my view of their general level of end user support. Good to see. :thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

LOL - I know what you mean Peter. The simple answer is "no", unfortunately. The light comes directly from the backlight used to illuminate the LCD display. It's a pain to me too, and I use a black piece of flexible plastic about 4 inches square with a dab of blu-tack on cornet. Unlike some tape adhesives, it comes off without a mark.

[Omaroo]

Sorry, I should have more clearly indicated that the difficulty would be in relation to the VM vendor, not Apple obviously

[Omaroo]

TOS schmoss. Sounds like it's coming from someone who might occasionally walk casually along that line themselves. ;)

EDIT: I'll retract that.

EDIT 2: No I won't. :)

[mozzie]

:lol::lol:thanks chris.iv'e some thick wide black tape,it just stays there....

[TrevorW]

Chris what does this make it thread No. 101 that you have acted the Apple vanguard. ;)

Me, I'll sit on the fence and say like everything else electronic they have their good points and their bad, my usage of both is simplistic, I use and Iphone because it was given to me and an Ipod because it works for my portable music needs and a PC because they are cheap and work for my needs:thumbsup:

[Octane]

He's just passionate about things that just work.

H

[TrevorW]

I don't think Chris needs you to defend his stance H, I know he is passionate about Apple :thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

LOL.. you're right there Trevor. :lol: Sorry about the crack... but I had to. :thumbsup: All good here.

[irwjager]

... for him.

FTFY ;)

[TrevorW]

:thumbsup:

[Octane]

Ivo, you are a cheeky lad!

H

[acropolite]

I'll just throw my 2 bobs worth in to the mix. For starters I'm not a rusted on apple tragic.

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

That said, the iPad is the best tablet by a long shot, I'd describe it as "the best of a bad lot". The sooner the other manufacturers get their act together and produce a decent device the better. The iPad does a lot of things simply and efficiently, the screen, particularly the touch part is pretty well perfect.

The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid. Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

For now I'll happily use what's on offer, but that won't stop me from being sorely disappointed by what could have been, had Apple thought less of profits and control and more of how to make their devices the best they could be.

[marki]

Ah apple smaple.... computing for the brain dead...... I reckon they have 3 years max without Jobs. Like all fruits they will go rotten over time :nerd::bashcomp::scared3::fishing:: P:P


Mark

[TrevorW]

:evil2::poke::whistle::D

[stephenb]

Allan, genuinely happy you got the problem resolved and received good customer service.



A pain in the backside at night, I'd agree... but during the day it does look cool http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/../vbiis/images/smilies/winking70.gif



I don't think many would have an issue with that experience. That's how Apple computers have been for decades.



Have you taken steps to establish why it is "almost to the point of being useless?" Seems a pretty general statement to me.



The portable Apple iDevices are not high speed, high storage computers which you seem to thinking they are???



Already explained towards the start of the thread.



Seems to me Phil you are in the category of consumers who expect too much for what these products can do, or analysis the inner workings of iDevices to o heavily. Not having a go at you Phil, just clearly these devices are may not be suited to your requirements.

I can only repeat my experiences: Never had a sluggish, non-responsive iDevice, never had a crash, etc etc. they just "work". And if something doesn't do what it should be doing, it's not a life threatening emergency, society is not going to crumble because iTunes takes a long time to load or whatever.

Funny how for decades all we heard ad nauseum were the criticisms of Windows products.

Here is a company that produces an "end-to-end" product which in most cases doesn't need an instruction/installation manual!

I know so many people (me included who have upgraded PC every year or two (extra RAM here, bigger HDD there), but I also know Mac Users (also me included) who have had the same stable Mac for 3-4 years without any upgrades and it still runs the same as it did from day one.

I'm spent.

[Omaroo]

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

** Yes, of course it will. I run lots of Windows software on my Macs. Read the previous posts regarding VERY good virtualisation.

Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

** Your experience Phil. "Unusable" sounds like a problem with your device, and that's ridiculous. Get it fixed. Restore it and start again. It isn't a painful exercise. Take it in to an Apple shop next time you're in Melbourne or Sydney. I'd be interested to see how you've managed yours, and learn why it's degraded to the point you say it has.


The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid.

** Granted - it's a little messy yet. I think that this will improve over time - it has to! :) I don't mind it on the Mac, but the Windows version is still lacking in some areas.

Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

** Again - Flash is dead on mobile devices. Adobe themselves have realised this and won't be developing the platform for ANY mobile device shortly. The masses are use going to have to adapt.

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

** Like any battery, I guess that usage patterns between people are different. I don't use my phone all day every day, so I suppose that someone who does will see shorter battery life. I suspect that ALL phone manufacturers would "gouge" a client who walked into a retail store to have a battery replaced. Admittedly, there is a labour component here as well. As stated, these batteries were never designed to be replaceable - preference going to controlling the bulk of the device and knowing that LiPo batteries are easily going to, on average, last the life of most user's phones.

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

** Interesting. Depending on what network you're on, and where you are, I've found that all phones behave (sometimes radically) differently. I remember Humayun and I tested internet connectivity over 3G when we were at BSG in 2009, and my phone had vastly superior comms to his - and the only difference was our choice of carrier.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

** Uhmm... you sure about this? Others seem to be OK. I'd dearly love to see your devices. There has to be a reason they're both giving you trouble like this, because it certainly isn't normal. If it were, they wouldn't sell. The 3GS is getting a little long in the tooth though. Software advances unfortunately out-pace hardware design, and it's a fact of modern computing.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

** Have they personally treated you badly? Allan here had an almost instantaneous result for his problem. Can't be all that bad... :shrug:

[mithrandir]

H, several years ago I used the following as a sig line. I got asked by someone if I minded them using it. They still are.

We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. (Douglas Adams) Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology.

Apple provides stuff that works more reliably than M$.



Chris said Adobe appear to be abandoning Flash on mobile platforms. Microsoft betas are doing the same in Win8 with Silverlight for browsers, keeping it for apps.

[AG Hybrid]

YES. Pointed out perfectly. I have an IPAD 2 and I love it to bits.
The touch software is superb. The interface - while mostly useless for anything but activating apps is simplistic and understandably easy to use for the masses. That's a plus point. It's apps, when they work (which to be fair is *most* of the time) are generally great no doubt. Battery life is great.

The browser while it doesn't support flash is a thousand times better then IE. Although that's not saying a lot. Things that are also a thousand times better then IE includes things like having herpes or being on fire. Stuff like that.

But, the iPad has some serious usability flaws. The way pictures are managed as you mention is outright bloody stupid. Which colossal moron thought it would be a great idea to force an iPad to sync with a computer to manage pictures because I got it from my computer through that buggy heap of software junk called iTunes. Why can't I just delete it off my iPad? Why? Justify it?
Why do I have to create picture albums on my computer to create albums on my iPad? I can't just create them on the iPad and manage the pictures there? Why?

Before I figured out how to manage the pictures this drove me mad!

Other niggles include iTunes. Also, iTunes. Did I mention iTunes?
(OK, I'm being over the top about iTunes, but they really need to refine it.)

You mention the iPhone and its failings.

I was in the market for a new phone late last year and people I know talk about there iPhones like they are the light of the world, with its now tiny 3.5" screen. In regards to the iPhone... well it would be more of the same. Since I'm don't wear the rose-tinted Apple flavored goggles and refuse to subscribe to iSheep weekly. I went and got myself a HTC Sensation XL. Its android based naturally. Ive been using it now for 2 weeks and I have come to the conclusion that the phone has almost entirely made my iPad redundant. The customisation alone of the features to match your needs and wants is truly astonishing. The music software itself has retired both of my iPods and my iPad for music.

I could go on happily.

But, I'm not having a complete downer on Apple and its products. What they have achieve and brought to the masses is truly remarkable. They revolutionised mobile technology and brought out brilliant products. But, they just are not as perfect as people make them out to be.

In regards to the iPAD2 being best of a bad bunch scenario. I suggest looking into the Samsung Tab 10.1 and the new Asus Transformer Prime are excellent alternatives.

That being said the iPad3 will be announced this month. And then the cycle starts all over again. :rofl:

[Omaroo]

Not sure what you're trying to say here Adrian. There are MANY more users of Microsoft products out there in the world who have no idea why they're using them other than that's the way they were brought up. Equally ridiculous.

[irwjager]

:lol::rofl:

[Kevnool]

This is just getting plain ridiculous now !!!

[tlgerdes]

I think it is just great that we can choose to use Apple's methodology or choose one of the other methodologies out there, it is after all a free market.

I have an Android phone, but gave my wife an iPhone. Is one better than the other? Couldn't tell you, I won't use her iPhone, she won't use my Android. It is what we like personally.

But what I will tell you......... VMware products are great :-D

[Barrykgerdes]

Apple needs two things to make it great.

pie and cream!

Barry

[Omaroo]

Dead right Trevor. :thumbsup: I bought the latest version a little while back and it fair flies on my MacBook Air. You done good fellas. :)

[taxman]

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

[AG Hybrid]

/Thread.

We can close it on a high :rofl: :thumbsup:

[supernova1965]

Well I am sorry you missed the great LoveJoy Comet threads we have had here over the last month:sadeyes::thumbsup:

[Barrykgerdes]

Killjoy!:lol::lol:

This heading is to harmlessly let a few people let off steam and a better analogy would have been Holden v Ford to avoid religion:thumbsup:

Barry

[iceman]

LOL What a ridiculous thing to say. Don't like the thread, don't read it.

[AG Hybrid]

I was going to say something along these lines. More so towards "Feel free not to come back if that's the best you have to contribute". Or "Don't post if you don't like the topic".

[Omaroo]

And after all these posts - yours is the first to get nasty. Maybe stay over at Cloudy Nights then Matt - Pleasantville on steroids. Can't say a thing out of line over there. We're enjoying some spirited banter between friends here. Thanks for the input.... LOL

[renormalised]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I might also add, don't like here, go back to cloudy nights....simple.

[bartman]

Very well said!
My only thing to say to this tread is........if you dont like apple, what fruit do you like?:P
dito @Mike and @ Carl
Bartman

[ZeroID]

Well, I've read my way through this thread not because I want to argue about either systems merits or pitfalls but because I am loking at buying a tablet and of course the argument comes up whether to go Apple or Android.

I confess I am no Apple fan but do admire their system but the openness of Android is tending to attract me more but then the lack of standards is a bit scary as well. :shrug:.
There are also other factors to consider us being a 'SONY' house, TV, PS3, etc which leans me to the Sony Tablet (Android) due to conectivity possibilities but a couple of weeks ago I played with a mates iPad2 and was impressed as hell with what it could do.

So I am no closer to a decision than I was a while ago but I certainly know a heck of a lot more about both systems from this discussion.

Thanks guys ,... I'll just go flip a coin I think ..:rofl::D

[renormalised]

I'm kind of partial to grapefruit, but I don't think that would make a great name for a computer!!!!!:):P

[bartman]

Hehehehe
Carl it was actually meant for the original poster.....:lol:
As for the name for a puter.....some naming culture for tech is quite funny/interesting......some cpus :clawhammer, sandy bridge, mac os leopard, snow leopard.....etc etc..........Grapefruit doesn't seem all to weird after all ;):P
Bartman

[AG Hybrid]

Do not! I repeat DO NOT get an iPad2



















The iPad3 will be out in 2 months - and its going to be a monstrosity of mobile computing POWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Seriously the iPad 3 will be fast enough to forecast the weather and predict the future!

Also don't be scared by the "lack of standard" of Android. Its that bit extra freedom that makes it just that little bit more interesting.

[renormalised]

I know, but it was too hard to resist:):P

What about Ubuntu builds...they're even weirder!!!:P

[supernova1965]

I reckon Ubuntu is overrated I like SUSE Linux for ease of use and software installation and Sabayon Linux because everything works on my Laptop out of the box wireless included and it looks great :thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

I reckon that the closest thing to a decently-good looking Debian-based Linux distro is Linux Mint 12. Very noice and minty :)

We digress....

[tlgerdes]

I see it like this.

Apple = the former Soviet Union, you will do it our way or we shoot you.

Android = USA - do it anyway you want, it's a free market capitalistic society

Windows = Europe, broken and no one knows how fix it, but they keep throwing money at it anyway :rofl:

[acropolite]

I won't go in to a lengthy explanation of my previous points but I will expand on just a couple.

The first is the issue of battery replacement.
I can't recall any other cellphone that can't simply have the back removed and another battery slipped in without tools, without hassles.
Cost is usually $50- $100 for replacement batteries. The cost of appleshop battery placement for the IPhone is around the $250 mark, that is unacceptable. I'm fortunate in that replacing a battery is no big deal but the average punter has no such option.

My iPad has been managed no differently than any other, software updates done when available, cache regularly flushed battery charging regime carefully managed etc, I don't have much music or images onboard so remaining space isn't an issue. There are many reports of identical issues out in the real world, the unortunate thing is that not all people experience these issues. (differing hardware revisions within model versions perhaps)

I really can't be bothered chasing these problems, I spend a good deal of my working day chasing software problems in Pabx instalations; I simply don't enjoy fixing bug issues any more. Like many others i'm hoping they will go away with the next revision.

Remember, the catch cry from Apple tragics is that these OS's are bug free, just work, dont crash, are easy to use, I don't expect my iPad to be a rocketship, I do expect a system as locked down as the iOS is to be stable and I expect things to work as expected (see the image removal reference)

Finally regarding Apple treating it's customers with contempt, look above to the battery example, then consider the case where users can't revert to previously stable versions of the OS. IMO that's treating your customers with contempt.

18 months may be considered "long in the tooth" for the 3Gs, but I have an old Nokia that cost just $70 that is audibly superior ( the 3Gs it would seem has no noise cancellation on it's mic) and gives better coverage than the IPhone depite being on it's second battery ($45 if my memory serves me correctly) and overe 4 years old.

As I said I love my iDevices just as I love my PC, when it comes to reliability and robustness my PC wins hands down, despite Microsofts obvious deficiencies.

[Hagar]

What a load of dribble. The provisioning of a replacement battery, screwed down access hatch does not provide a reduction of space but does reduce the need for the item tobe returned to the manufacturer for a substantial fee. As for Steve Jobs he was nothing more than in inteligent individual who had a good head for marketing. If Microsoft performed their company the way Jobs has made Apple work they would all have been in Jail for restrictive trade practices.

Come up with something real instead of this sort of dribble on a subject you obviously know little about. The batteries used could be improved quite dramaticaly as could most other batteries used today but again cost is the limiting factor. We never get the best based on cost and building items for the larger population.

Apple are every bit as restrictive in their business model as Microsoft if not more but are not being pursued by government in the US.

[Hagar]

Hi Pete, If you had bought a Microsoft based machine you cold have looked this up easily in the help files.



Cheers

[Hagar]

They just work until they don't or util you need a battery change.

[Omaroo]

Help! My life for a battery! Quick!!!!!!!!

Jeez Doug. :lol:

[Bassnut]

Apple is public company owned by many shareholders . The SOLE purpose of a CEO in a public company is to "maintain shareholder value" via capital gain and dividends. Apple is spectacularly successful at this. Profits always come 1st , that's what shareholders want, they own the company. Product excellence of course can produce this success , but if being able to delete photos on your iPad for instance produces the slightest reduction in profit, short or long term (for media control reasons etc) then it won't happen, obviously.

"the best they can be" can be taken 2 ways, what you like, or what produces the best return for shareholders. If I was a shareholder, I know which way I'd want ;)

[Bassnut]

Yes, thats what I've noticed. If you have a problem, especially a critical one, (like when yr iPhone crasHe's so hard after a simple auto firm wear upgrade that you cant even turn it off :mad2:) the palava in finding how to fix it is just horrendous. Serious net crawling. Nothing in the manual about any of the problems I've had.

[TrevorW]

They both have good and bad points:question:

As an example for some reason all of a sudden my ACER PC decides not to boot the first time it justs hangs before it gets to the Starting Windows screen, the next time it boots after switching off by holding the power key for 6 seconds it goes to a Diagnostics Startup screen which asks if I want to run Startup repair or Start Windows normally. I ran the Startup Repair, tried it a couple of times, didn't find anything wrong.

Tried to run restore wouldn't work. Looked for a solution via the Web couldn't find anything that made sense, the only option I could see was to reload Windows completely which would mean I'd loose everything and waste hrs reinstalling all my software programs.

Couldn't be bothered, so now I have to switch it on etc as outlined above and other times it will load normally without ado.

My IPod battery has been fine for 2 years not a problem same with the Iphone although the Iphone doesn't hold its charge as long as it used too.

;):thumbsup:

[Hagar]

Hi Chris, Only following the same head in the mud approach you are taking. I understand you love your apple gear but to be honest anyone would think you are on apples pay roll to further the companies product.

To your way of thinking apple may have the right gear and approach to it's development etc but to someone who grew up with a much more open system with loads more freedom to use and abuse I strongly disagree with your thoughts. Be it a battery, a power switch or the restrictive programing practices I will stick to what I know better.

I have purchased both an Iphone and Ipad based on the great write ups here only to be quite disappointed with both.

By the way, the lack of a power switch may well have cost me my first Iphone which ended up with some water in it and being unable to power it down may well have caused it's demise and the purchase of another when only a day old. Apple didn't want to know about it or investigate a repair. They just wanted another sale.

Keep your battery for now. Will email youwhen I need another. Won't be long I guess. Put one asside for the Ipad as well it's not lasting so well anymore.

Thanks Chris

[jjjnettie]

Love my iPhone!
If I had the dosh, I'd upgrade my PC to a Mac and just keep my XP machine for astro use.

[Omaroo]

Well, with all respect Doug no, I'm not. I appreciate many of their design principles - and I'm a long time user. I choose to defend Apple gear because most of the criticism comes from people who have no real experience with it - and I think that's unfair. I respect the people who design it so much that I can't but help defend them in these circumstances if I know the problem isn't what it's being made out to be. I do the same for friends of mine who I see going through trouble. A defence mechanism for sure, but that's me. I also defend Windows when it's warranted (check back several years ago) for my posts regarding the mostly unfair and ridiculous criticism levelled at Vista. It had many, many issues, but I used it very successfully, so it can't have been all bad.



I've been in technical IT since 1979 Doug - where I started at IBM as an engineer. I'll emphatically bet that I've been involved with "PC's" for longer than anyone here, because as an IBM systems engineer in 1982, I opened the very first IBM PC that ever came in to Australia! "To someone who grew up with" You aren't the only one to grow up with them. ;) Windows is NOT an open operating system by the way. It's protected by Microsoft as much as Apples' OS is. Actually, being based on BSD UNIX, I think that OSX is more "open", if anything.

I specify Windows, OSX, Linux and UNIX at work in my role as IT director. Choice depends on the intended role. Macs for advertising creative workstations - there's nothing better, and most graphic artists will agree. Windows has come a way in supporting this field, but artist's here all choose Macs, and I accommodate them. Linux for the standard web servers running Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP - nothing better for the money and great for developing solutions on. We use Solaris UNIX Sparc and Intel servers as well for our mission-critical work and main websites. I use Windows for everything else, including general office systems. I've used it all. My choice of personal machine is based on 32 professional years in the business. I guess that I'll have to strongly disagree with you disagreeing with me. ;) Your opinion is, of course yours and fine, but your observations certainly won't change mine any time soon.

Horses for courses, and I've just read a thread in the software section where Sheeny has had to completely blow away his Windows 7 machine because he couldn't get the right help. It happens to users of every platform.

[mozzie]

thanks for the app chris for the red light it works a treat.......

[Omaroo]

Onya Moz :) Start up SkySafari and hit the "invert" button in RedScreen. Great for reading maps at night on screen.

[barx1963]

I am far from an IT guru but I have used a couple of Apple products. I have had 3 iPods as I use them as the simplest way to play music at the dance classes and dance night we run. Also great for storing a few videos of moves that we can plug into other peoples TVs without worrying about carrying a bunch of DVDs around. I have just bought the 3rd one as the batteries are going in the other 2 after 6 years of very heavy use.
I also have an iPad that is great for travelling. Used it when OS much easier than carrying around a laptop and doubled as a Kindle so didn't have to carry around any books (on a 4 week trip I would expect to read about 5-8 books!)
Cannot comment on Macs as haven't used one but for what they do the apple products I have used are just great.

[bobson]

Hi, my name is iBob. I lost 7 kilos since I started using Apple iproducts and I feel ifantastic!!
I would recommend it to everyone :D

caution"""

Use only as directed and if pain in the a"" persist consult your doctor ;)

[Terry B]

What a load of twaddle this thread has become.
I don't believe in the religion of Apple or any other company. They role isn't to provide a fantastic service to society but to make money. Apple seems to be very good at this and seems to have indoctrinated lots of believers in the process.
You guys are like the god botherers that want to convert everyone. :shrug:

[Omaroo]

Really? I don't think so... can't actually see where the product has been pushed, but merely defended. Besides, I'm an atheist - and a strong one. :)

[Kevnool]

Wouldnt it be great to get any apps on my blackberry.
But that cant happen as the gov wont allow it as they control the darn thing.

[Omaroo]

i liked my old Blackberry, it was a good business tool. What gov't Kev.... the Canadian?

[Kevnool]

aust gov Chris they have total control over it.
Ican go in the settings and all the features are locked and cant be started.
I have to log into it every 15 mins to unlock it and then it tells me to change password every month.
It is good for the internet and my work emails but thats about it.
I cant bring myself to buy a phone as these gov rates for my private calls are incredible.
The phone so say is a piece of IT equipment.
My home page logs straight onto there intranet site.

[Octane]

Kev,

All government departments have to adhere to strict IT security policies.

Much like our work PCs have restricted access to the Internet, and, even then, everything is monitored. Can't install software unless it's approved, and, so on and so forth.

H

[Kevnool]

True H last year I had to apply and provide a case study as to why I needed VLC player to be installed on my desktop( media player on there machines dont play video files they wont give the codecs out).
My reason was to play safety videos to all my teams at team meetings and yep it got approval.

They re strict as and they say misuse of it and its the boot more or less.

Cheers Kev.

[mithrandir]

Kev if you reckon that's a pain, work (govt are clients) want iPhones used for business purposes (including privately owned ones) to be encrypted, use complex alphanumeric passwords, and require you to log in every 15 mins. At least a Blackberry has a keyboard.

There has been enough complaint that they are reviewing the 15 min part.

[Trixie]

I only recently bought an iPad and I love it. It's turned me into a bit of a fan girl though. I just bought an apple tv and I love that too. My husband hates them, and prefers windows and android so we have many of these debates at home.

He laughs at me every time I have to borrow his laptop to use a site with flash and I laugh at him every time he has to go and find a power source! I have to admit I really like his android phone though.

[GrahamL]

Technology today whatever brand name you use is is truely a great tool for work and play ,but I can't for the life of me see it as anymore than that !

I remember some very sage like advice posted here once about these sort of threads that blow several pages of hot air up the spout .

Now how did it go ? oh yeah thats right

"GET A LIFE GEARHEADS" :);)

[icytailmark]

if you hate apples try an orange

[PeterM]

Apple, Orange, Blackberry...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI

[lacad01]

:lol: very clever.

[Robh]

Thanks Peter,

Very funny!

Regards, Rob

[Omaroo]

An instant classic :)

[TrevorW]

Actually not quite correct in all Govt Dept's maybe Federal but State at least in WA this does not apply.

:thumbsup:

[Kevnool]

That is so funny peter. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Still laughing.

Cheers Kev.

[Hagar]

Wonderful true statement Stephen, but just thinkabout what you have posted. Microsoft, upgrade seem very pertinent words. Yes a microsoft PC can be upgraded and it can be done by the owner for very realistic cost. Apple well we will say no more other than bring your check book or credit card.

[Hagar]

The signature says it all. A few front teeth missing?

[jjjnettie]

:scared3:

[TrevorW]

:poke::rofl:

[Kevnool]

Oh jjj you`d better hide.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers Kev.

[tlgerdes]

Now I have something to truely complain about with Apple.

My son inherited my wifes 3GS after I upgrade her to a 4S. To check if the phone was SIM locked to Optus I inserted my Telstra SIM card from my non-iphone. Everything worked OK, so I removed my SIM card.

Roll forward 24 hrs, my wife tries to send me an SMS, and complains that I dont respond. I inform and show that I never got the message. She tells me that there is something wrong with my phone as it says Delivered on her iPhone.

I send her an SMS and she receives it fine. She replies and it doesnt come through on my phone. "See, there is a problem with your phone" she says.

I investigate further by sending myself and SMS and using and external SMS gateway to to send myself SMS messages which all work fine.

Roll forward another 24hrs, conducting more tests with HER iPhone to isolate the problem. I send myself and SMS from her iPhone, PING, I hear a noise, check my phone, no SMS, strange. Send another SMS, PING, I hear a noise again, not my phone, where is the noise coming from?

Hunt around and happen to pickup my sons 3GS and see a string on SMS messages on his screen.

:question::question::question::ques tion:

So now comes the hard part, why the hell are SMS sent to my phone number truning up on his iPhone... without a SIM card in it? Then to make it worse why can he send messages without a SIM card?

The answer lies in Apples iMessage, which impersonates SMS as its default protocol, when you send a message Apple records your number and redirects SMS via its iMessage services. Once they have as an iPhone user it is close to impossible to get away from it.

You cant remove the association without putting another SIm card in there or doing a factory reset on the phone.

Currently arguing with Apple as to why I have to install iTunes on my PC to recover their problem.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Trevor, it is the way it is! Unfortunately :mad2: But, ask yourself this, despite all the hassle with Apple, would you swap?

I have had enormous problems with iTunes, at present, and slowly sorting them out. Interestingly, when I backed up, iTunes, for some reason, didn't back up "all" songs or the playlists. Don't know why, don't really care, BUT, it is a pain having to redo it all. Oh well, a good opportunity for a change, I guess.

All that just because I did an update, NEVER AGAIN!

Despite this, I just love my iPod (and its applications) and I am waiting patiently for the next iteration of the iPad, so that I can fully move to digital magazines :)

Yes, I hear you say, he must be crazy! :D Probably am! I talk to myself and that is the first sign of madness, the second sign is arguing with yourself, and third and final sign is losing the argument! :lol: Haven't lost an argument with myself ...yet!!! :rofl:

[Octane]

iMessage is win.

Free text, images, etc. through the cloud, bypassing your carrier.

I'm certainly not going to complain about a free service.

H

[jjjnettie]

Don't forget Viber!! Free phone calls too.

[tlgerdes]

After an hour on the phone and 2 Apple engineers later, they were able to sort of solve it.

I had to place my SIM card back into my sons 3GS, then enable iMessage, then send an iMessage, then disable iMessage, then remove my SIM from 3GS, place my SIM in my non-iphone device, then get an iPhone to send me an SMS, so that it unregisters my number from the iMessage service.

iMessage might appear to be free, but so is email, you are just using your data allowance. You are not sending SMS.

I put iMessage into the same bucket as facetime, where Apple seems to think they invented video calling from a phone too.

Just remember once you are Apple'd you are always Apple'd!

Now I am glad I chose Android, at least I "own" my phone and my destiny.:thumbsup:

[tlgerdes]

Not bypassing your carrier, Apple is now your carrier, no bypassing them.:thumbsup:

[tlgerdes]

Not free, using data you have already paid for.:screwy:

[Omaroo]

And your problem with that is, just what Trevor? :rolleyes: They provide it as a free service, so I don't see what your problem is. Geez, what a beat-up. Blackberry have done it for years (BMS) and now Google are getting into the act too - as are several other messaging service providers. At least iMessage has some smarts to it. I can tell when a message has been delivered in real time - I get a "delivered" indicator which is incredibly reassuring for business. You don't get that with SMS and you certainly don't get that with with email. If you're on an 802.11 connection then it goes via that path rather than 3G - effectively cutting out the carrier as Humayun correctly pointed out. Apple aren't the "carrier", so stop saying the they are. Like the rest of these services, they are merely the parking station attendants.

[Omaroo]

Again - clarify! What data? Your data over 3G allowance? Not if you're at home, which is where Nettie usually uses hers from, and I from my office. Gee whizz... a HUUUUUGE amount out of my 200GB allowance :lol:

[Stardrifter_WA]

I'm with you Chris. Everyone seems to always want to beat up whatever technology just happens to be causing issues. ALL technology is extremely complex and "things" will go wrong, just as it has with my iTunes. It don't work, so I fix it. Simple, although still a pain. But, I certainly wouldn't give up my Apple products!

Despite all the complaints, from many sources, Apple is still doing very well, and there is a reason for that, they make amazing products!

[tlgerdes]

I am not saying it is right or wrong, just telling the truth.

1) You haven't bypassed a carrier, you still use your ISP/Telco to move data to Apple servers for forward delivery. So you still have 2 carriers to deal with.
2) It is not free, whether you use 3G,home ISP, work connection, you have still paid for your service and are just using your entitlement. Certainly not Free unless you go and sit in Macca's or Starbucks.

What I was upset about is Apple assuming control of my mobile phone number with consent, to use as an indentity for their iMessage service.

For 3 days anyone with an iPhone who has used iMessage has been unable to send SMS messages to me and has instead been sending iMessages to my sons iPhone.

This has actually been flagged as a security issue with Apple before, but in Apple fashion, it is not a problem. If you get your iPhone stolen and you hadn't locked it, even though you ring your carrier and get them to disable the SIM, the offender can still send iMessages on your behalf and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Apple cannot disable it from their services, it can only be disabled from the rogue device. Identity Theft!

[Bassnut]

That's a brilliant example of what pisses ppl off. In most cases it's not the "technology" or even bugs. A lot of Apple haters love their idevices, many in this thread including me. It's the overwhelming arrogance in up front non disclosure of control issues (media,data etc) and the utter lack of redably available assistance in the form of simple help files on the device for instance Every problem one has on apple device is an absolute ****fight.

[Omaroo]

"Free" refers to the cost that is otherwise charged by your phone carrier per SMS message - data is always consumed - no matter what the situation.

THere are numerous mentions of this bug - and it's only a bug. I would hope that Apple are addressing this in the up-coming iOS v5.1 due in a few days.

Until then, there are immediate workarounds - a pain maybe, but doable:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/12/21/apples-stolen-iphone-imessage-bug-has-a-temporary-if-annoying-fix/

Lock your SIM. Not hard.

[Bassnut]

Truth brother :). Pray apple doesn't buY Guinness. Youd have to kill yourself.

[Omaroo]

Hey Fred - could you tell me where you'd find that sort of info to a similar problem on other devices or PCs in your Windows, Nokia or Android manual? Apple support is hierarchic - you start your diagnosis high up on a flowchart, but at least it exists.

THe Apple support system makes you start at the beginning, as it should, and takes you through common problems - especially setup "how to's". If you have an unusual problem, like the one you say you had, then you can raise an incident right there on the page. If you're covered by warranty it's (I'd presume) gratis to talk to someone. If you're out of warranty or aren't hooked up with extended warranty AppleCare, then you can still get support but you pay for it. No different to Microsoft. What you're talking about is a "free" service of equal quality - and that you may still get by going to the "Communities" pages specific to your device. It isn't all as bad as you're making out. In fact - you have the opportunity to type in your device serial number, and it takes thou straight to the relevant page. Pretty neat. Failure codes? They're all there - along with typical resolutions. Look and ye shall find - right there on the website.

[tlgerdes]

Actually Chris, your solution is factually incorrect. I had this problem with an iPhone that didn't even have a SIM card in it, as the article details. If your iPhone is locked you wont have the problem as well.

The problem lies with iMessage, in that it registers your mobile number against that iDevice in the iMessage servers. Even if you take the SIM card out or get your carrier to disable your SIM card, as long as the iPhone has a Wi-Fi data connection it will still send iMessages as you, it will not change the registration until you insert a new SIM into the phone and register with iMessage or do what Apple told me to do. IT CANNOT BE UNDONE FROM APPLE, it has to be undone by the original device, and there lies the problem.

As for FREE data or free message serivces, it is a bit like saying, I filled my car up with petrol last week and I paid my rego 2 months ago, therefore driving my car is free now.

iMessage is very much like a Blackberry service, one of the reasons I didnt want to get a new BB.

I recently replace my phone and I had a choice, company supplied BB, buy a new iPhone for $800 or buy my Android for $400 (As my work provides my SIM, I couldnt get one on a paydown plan). When I weighed up the pros and cons, an Android solution looker better FOR ME.

My wife has an iPhone, my kids have iPhones (hand me downs), nothing against them per se, reliable, useful devices.

[Omaroo]

I am becoming tired of this. :lol: I don't share some people's almost pathological dislike for any tech company - Apple, Telstra, AT&T, IBM, HP and many many others - Microsoft included. I'm in it purely for the results the machines, and software they run, give me for work and play. I don't work for Apple, but I'm starting to feel that they owe me. I frankly don't care a tinker's cuss what people decide to use - each have their own reasons to stay with who they stay - based on experiences good and bad. I've had bad experiences with my Apple gear from time to time too - but none were life-threatening. None caused me to foam at the mouth and decide to hate Apple forever. I understand that they are now a monstrous company, and little people like you and me are probably never going to get the individualised attention we think we want and deserve from them.

It's been fun. I'm done.:lol:



Whatever Trevor - I couldn't care. I hope you sort it out.

[Bassnut]

Most problems Ive have on my PC were on my PCs help files.

A reset fault of this kind on a PC is well handled automatically actually, I have never had the need to even consider using Microsoft support, despite some hetic problems, the answer was always readily at hand..

I dont remember the exact steps I took to find a fix for the iphone problem, but there was in the end a set procceedure that was difficult to find.

I find it interesting that you would suggest a reset of this type would require an "incident" report and a custom solution by Apple, rather than an entry in a user manual.

[TrevorW]

Come on there is nothing like a good fight :fight:, I bet someone can make you bite :poke::fishing: you'll be back :thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

Yup

[TrevorW]

See told ya !!!

[Omaroo]

Up yours.

:lol:

[supernova1965]

:PBORING:P:scared3:

[Bassnut]

Hehe, your so easy to wind up Chris :lol:. I really don't give a stuff about any of the probes I have with Apple, still love them :thumbsup:. Other **** is way harder to deal with. Eg life.

I admire your persistence, always entertaining :thumbsup:

[Octane]

When I said "bypassing the carrier", what I meant was that it doesn't cost me to send a message. I get 1.5 GB of allowance on my plan and rarely even use a tenth of it.

H

[tlgerdes]

Aw com'on Chris, I do still love you ;)

As you said in an earlier posting, it is sprited discussion between "friends".

Yes, Apple did get it sorted out for me. It was convuluted, but they got it sorted out, all support services are like that (even my own companies).

What it highlights more that anything is the proliferation of "Cloud" services and the impact they can have on you when things bad. I am not saying that they are bad, it is just that they are often hidden behind white fluffy innocent looking things and we do not know the real depth of the rabbit hole.

[Bassnut]

Oh!!! , and what contribution do you have that is less boring :shrug:

Lighten up, who cares anyway, really :thumbsup:

[tlgerdes]

H, I knew what you meant, but others might not, hence why I commented on your comment.

You are using what you have been allocated. Still Apple are inserting themselves, much like Blackberry do, into the message chain, and to some definitely unknowingly.

[Omaroo]

Cheers everyone... all good :)

Fred - did you get GarageBand onto your phone yet?

[tlgerdes]

Can we change the thread title to

"I am frustrated with Apple" it is less polarising.

[TrevorW]

We have them all

Apple lovers Apple Haters
Windows Lovers Windows Haters
Windows v Linux
IBM v Microsoft
Jobs v Gates
Clinton v Hillary
Asus V Acer
AP versus the rest
Liberal v Labour supporters
AFL v Real Football
Darwinism V Creationism

as I said before in some way they all have their good points and bad there AFAIAA no perfect solution or answer to any and agree that sometimes we will beg to differ and have our own point of view thats what makes us human and in some ways unique just enjoy what you have and don't try and change the things you have no control over or fret about the little things, but hey thats life

[Octane]

You forgot Canon and Nikon.

H

[Bassnut]

:shrug: why is less polarizing better exactly?, your kidding right :mad2:

[tlgerdes]

And Fred V versus The World :lol:

[tlgerdes]

Just trying to be nice. I have been a bit *****y tonight.

[Bassnut]

I didn't even know it was possible on iPhone, geez, sounds painfull. I'm happy with it on iPad actually, to the point I might score some background tunes for time lapses on it. Come to think of it, given some very impressive videos I've seen of your efforts with the iPad and some very smick hardware, would you be up for a very highly paid commission timelapse soundtrack, like in the 10s of $ per day , plus huge qudos and hero worship? :D.

[Hans Tucker]

Personally I am at a neutral point in regards to Apple. I purchased a second hand Mac Book Pro and haven't worked out how to connect to the Internet (yes I am rather dumb). I thought I could simply use the 3G Broadband USB Modem which I use on my windows based laptop..wrong...won't recognise the device :confused2:..something I have to work through...Anyway they are a nice machine and learning the Apple (Snow Leopard OS) way of doing things is something new.

[iceman]

You can - I've done it myself. It shouldn't be a major issue for you I hope.

[Hans Tucker]

Thanks Mike, at least I know it should be possible so it is now a learning process to get the Mac Book to recognise the USB Modem. I initially thought it would self recognise once I connected the USB device like it did with my Windows machine..when that didn't work I tried the CD. Something I must have missed. Maybe need to determine whether the version of Snow Leopard is compatable with the 3G USB Modem software.

[Octane]

Is it a Telstra modem? You can get the drivers/software off the Telstra site. I have done it and it works.

H

[Omaroo]

Any time Fred :lol: I'd love to actually have one of your time lapses running and come up with something suitable on the fly. I'm experimenting with analogue sequencing again soon given a new soft synth I now have, so that'd be terrific! :thumbsup:

[supernova1965]

I thought showing poking tounges was fairly lighthearted almost tounge in cheek:rofl:

If you would look back and actually read my contributions I think they were very constructive.

I am trying to draw attention to threads like this that have been virtually ignored when compared to this one that are worthy of contributing to also.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=85355

[marki]

Wait till they invent the iprobe, that will make your eyes water:jawdrop:.
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[Steffen]

If there was ever a truly evil company it has to be Apple. The deviousness and sophistication of its practices has no bounds.

Apple subverts your free will and suppresses your natural instinct to rebel by making you love its products – for no reason whatsoever. In this very thread posters have stated that their Apple devices are almost unusable, yet they still love them. The brainwashing involved here must border on the North Korean.

If people need help with their Apple products they are deprived of any chance of finding it elsewhere on the net and are instead channelled towards a meticulously organised network of "geniuses" and support staff who take every opportunity to patronise and belittle them under the guise of being helpful and resolving issues. In the end they're even made to feel grateful for the ordeal.

But make no mistake, Apple doesn't stop at turning entire generations into mindless stooges, it also provides material support to criminals and perverts, as this recent news story (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-10/man-charged-over-filming-showering-women/3766344) illustrates.

Information and communication technology are difficult and lofty engineering disciplines. They belong in the hands of geeks. Let's not let them fall into the hands of the great unwashed masses, just so that Apple in its boundless greed can make a fortune and control the minds of our children. Just say no. Preserve the old ways.

That's all I've got to say on this topic.

Cheers
Steffen.

[AndrewJ]

What i want to know is,
how long will it be before the "iDarwin" awards are instigated,
to cover all those who come to a sticky end
due to the total loss of situational awareness brought upon by the mental devotion allocated to an iDevice? :shrug:

Andrew
who got crashed into by a pedestrian who wasnt even looking where he was going due to a desire to look at a screen whilst walking.

[dugnsuz]

:lol::lol::lol:

[tlgerdes]

Here is another case of do it Apples way or dont do it at all.

1) Create an email message on your iPhone
2) Add some explainatory words.
3) Decide now that you want to add a picture.:question:

OEM

[Omaroo]

Ref: Gerdes Gripe # 2746467289-48/2

During Christmas, my little niece figured out all by her little 6-year old self self that her intent was to email a photo she'd just taken of the Christmas tree at their place. She took the photo with her mum's phone and saw it open in the photo browser app... and emailed it with a "hello Uncle Chris" message attached by simply hitting the "mail" button. Whaoa!... To my mind that cuts out a whole step, but I could have lost count...

Actually... you can do exactly what you require by simply multitasking out (double-click home) from mail to the photo browser, tap/hold-copy on your found found photo and then multi-task back to the mail app and tap/hold-paste. Done. Easy. Best of both worlds.

Steffen... LOL :lol:

[tlgerdes]

Stand in line Chris, there are more ahead of you in the Gerdes gripe line.:D

My point was not that you cant send photos, you just have to do it the Apple way.

You have to plan ahead and not deviate from your course. You cant start out with a message and then attach your picutre, you have to start out with the intent to send a picture.

Is it right or is it wrong? It is just different from everyone else.
One a computer (Win, Lin, Apple, etc) or other email devices (ie phones etc) you can do it either way, from the attachment select send, or from the email app, select attach.

[Omaroo]

Ahhh... nope - re-read my post.

[tlgerdes]

As for cutting out a step

1) Select photo
2) Choose to send email to someone
3) Write text
4) Press Send

1) Chose to send email to someone
2) Write text
3) Select photo
4) Press send

Just changes the order

[tlgerdes]

And that is intuitive?:shrug:

[Omaroo]

Yep. Not an issue for most. You were stating that it can't be done. It can be.

Not bothering with these any more. Had enough - I really could not care less if you have issues this minor Trevor - go and work for them and sort them out eh?

[tlgerdes]

Now Chris i am trying to stay positive on this, hence asking for your guidance on this Q

How do you set an iPhone to send orientation information with photos it attaches?

All photos my wife sends in an email are rotated 90deg, if you view them on an iPhone it shows the orientation correclty. If you view in any email app they are shown sideways?

This only happens when she takes a photo in Portrait aspect, in Landscape they come out correct.

[Omaroo]

iOS has been sending orientation tag info along with emailed photos since iOS 4. I believe that most email clients haven't yet caught up to this yet. I take it you're using GMail?

One solution is to use a 3rd-party camera app rather than the native one which doesn't add this tag.

http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/best-camera/id329800600?mt=8

$2.99

[tlgerdes]

No, I am not using GMail. This happens via Optus SMTP/IMAP/Webmail or our corporate servers.

It is just that other apps that email photos seem to get orientation correct ,Portrait v Landscape. I wasnt sure whether it was an iPhone or email protocol thing, hence the question?

It was/is happening on IOS 3 as well, so was wondering it it was a selectable option somewhere

Thanks, I will look more into it.

[Omaroo]

Yep - I don't use phones to take and send photos with, so sorry - I don't know and I can't help you more than that.

[Octane]

Last night I also found that when viewing images in the camera roll or in an album, if you press the little arrow in the top right corner, you can select multiple images and then select to email them all, rather than having to copy and paste them one at a time.

w00t w00t.

H

[TrevorW]

You know how you learn any device, experiment, through experimentation we make mistakes and through experimenting further we correct those mistakes, and if that fails give up and throw the bloody thing out the window in disgust remembering a 6 yr old can figure it out better than we can, because maybe they are not hindered by preconceived expectations.

If you don't like the Iphone, Ipod, Ipad, Mac or find any of these to restrictive then don't use them, its your choice.

Apple are in business to make money from the multitude anyway it can like every other company. We however still have I believe the fundamental right to buy or not buy their products, I don't think it's 2084 yet.

[Poita]

It's not real easy to develop for windows without running windows either.

iOS is a version of OSX, so I would expect to need a Mac to develop for it.

I am also an app developer, I develop for iOS and for Android, and although the hoops at apple are sometimes a bit of a pain, the dev tools for Android are enough to make me want to pull out of that market. The Android development system is a sad joke compared to the apple one, and the nightmare of multiple hardware platforms and no consistency makes it very hard for a small shop.

Apple isn't perfect, but I can't understand people 'hating them with a passion'.
They make, overall, high quality product. They keep the industry on its toes and make everyone create better product (what phone hasn't gone down the iPhone path now?).
We have longer battery life, smaller sleeker form factors in laptops, phones, mp3 players etc. and a big part is due to apple making those sectors successful and then competition from other vendors then moving into that space keeping prices down.

The walled garden approach is in theory limiting, but in practice it means users get a solid, usable, safe experience. Effectively no malware or viruses on your iPad/ipod/iphone to worry about at all. You can buy apps without a worry of getting infected.
The limitations aren't very real, the number of apps to do just about anything covers what 90% of the population want. If you want something an apple product can't do, then you buy something else.
I just don't understand the 'hate'.

Hate malaria, cancer, the road toll, asbestos, hate on Monsanto or James Hardy or Philip Morris... but to "hate" a consumer computer company that mostly tries to make quality product that performs well and gives a good user experience seems odd to me. They don't always get it right, but they genuinely try to. They also try to protect their profits like any company does, but there are plenty of companies far more deserving of hate.

[bobson]

Stefen, so true!

[irwjager]

Actually, yes it is and I do it every day. Cross-compiling for Windows is as easy as 1-2-3. Same goes for cross-compiling for Android, you can do that from Windows, MacOS or a number of Linux distros.

Even if cross-compiling isn't your thing, you can have a VM running along-side your main OS to compile with.
I fail to see how this is logical or what the two have to do with eachother. The architecture isn't even the same (ARM vs x86).
The simulator is very slow, yes. I have no problem with the dev environment though. What are you having trouble with exactly?

These are all assertions we can argue about (I may even agree with some), but with respect to these I think this 12-page thread has run its course. :)
The 'hate' stems from the 'very real' fact that you cannot build your own business model around iOS.
I don't 'hate' Apple for their products, but I do 'hate' them getting in the way of content creators who try to bring their content to people who simply have bought a device from them. They are the sole gatekeeper without any alternative.
Anyone who would buy a DVD player would find the idea preposterous that the manufacturer would dictate what you can watch and that you can't play DVDs you obtained from a 3rd party. Yet that's exactly what is happening and people don't seem to think there's anything wrong with it.

There is no level playing field with Apple's iOS. Any kid from the slums in India with a brilliant idea can start coding their own app with a minimum of investment. An old PC from a charity running Linux will do, heck, he/she can even see the fruits of his/her work running on the $35 tablet. It's a free market and anyone can bring anything to anyone.

With the iOS App store? Poor Deepak or Deepika would have to find an up-to-date Mac to code on (because the latest XCode for the latest version os iOS requires one of the latest OS versions), pony up $100/yr just to be able to submit their app, pray that their new genius idea/app/content doesn't offend Apple or gets ripped off and would probably never see their app being used by their peers or family. Oh yeah, and Apple will take 30% for the privilege.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Google fan or any 'fan' for that matter of any company or OS. I am a fan of freedom and a fair go however. Call me idealistic, but when freedom takes a backseat to profit, I am simply not okay with that no matter how you spin it. As a matter of fact I 'hate' that, not the company, not the OS.

This is not theoretical or arm chair banter. I have seen this happen on a number of occasions - great ideas being shot down because of Apple's App Store gatekeeping.

If you're happy with the way things are on the iOS platform, more power to you my friend. But I'm not (and neither are my clients).

EDIT: I should probably disclose that there's no shortage of Apple gear in use in the house. I don't favor one OS or manufacturer over the other. I'm just a big proponent of openness.