Family Tree's

[supernova1965]

Inspired by Carl (Renormalised) I had another go at hunting back the family and had a breakthrough. I had always been told we started as convicts but never found the truth until today. I have found that Thomas Upton came on the second fleet. It turns out that on my mothers side my Great Great Great Grandma is Jane Upton known as Australian Royalty who founded Dubbo.

[jjjnettie]

:) Nice to have some interesting history to ones family.

[Glenhuon]

Might get around to the family research one of these days. My eldest sister back in Scotland says we are related to the Buchanan Clan. Have to get her to send what she has found so far.
( Remember a singer introducing his song as about the "End of The World" or "Going To Live In Dubbo" ) Just kidding ;)

[renormalised]

I've got some more info for you:)

From the NSW BDM records.

Jane Upton (your 3x Great Grandmother) and Patrick Byrne had 7 children...

V18481107 65/1848, George Byrne
V18511906 68/1851, Mary A
V18281147 127/1828, William P
V18291168 128/1829, William P (either same as above, or new kid)
V1840519 61/1840, Jane
V18542039 71/1854, Henry J
V18342239 71/1834, Henry J (probably the same, but check out)
V18311811 125/1831, John
V18311729 127/1831, John (this is a doubled up entry in register)
8167/1856, Robert C (registered in the Windsor district)

The numbers there are the register entries for each person and the year they were born.

Thomas Upton is also mentioned quite a few times in the Colonial Secretary's Papers as well, from 1809-1825. His son James is also mentioned. Found this at the NSW State Records Online.

I'll see what else I can find for you:)

[supernova1965]

Thanks Carl,

I find this facinating it has taken a long time to get this far back as I am doing it without paying out for records as it is fun but not something I am desperate to complete. Anyway the longer it takes it prolongs the enjoyment.:thumbsup:

[AdrianF]

I found out that my GG granddad was the hangman at the Old Bailey and later in life he himself was hung for murder.

Adrian

[renormalised]

There's a great deal you can obtain that is free, or relatively cheap. It shouldn't take you very long at all to go back as far as you have. The main thing is knowing you can obtain the records you want.

[renormalised]

I found your Patrick Byrne's DoB and death dates, as well as his parents:)

He was born in 1807, in Windsor, and died in same on 11 May 1868. His parents were Patrick Byrne and Catherine Power. His old man was born in 1771 (Dublin, Ireland) and died on 6 June 1848 at Cornwallis (just outside of Windsor). His mother was born in 1773 (Cork, Co Cork, Ireland) and died on 11 Apr 1830, in Windsor. They were married in July of 1803 up at the Hawkesbury. Both Patrick and Catherine were buried at St Matthews CoE Church, in Windsor.

Patrick also had a brother named John, born in 1805 (Windsor). Might also have some more info on him. Looks like he married a girl named Elizabeth (b.1809, Parramatta) and their son William was born 10 Mar 1831, in Parramatta. He was christened on 8 Apr 1831 at St John's Church, in Parramatta.

[renormalised]

May have also found old Patrick Byrne's father....born in 1743, Dublin. That's all I've found on him, so far. There are two other entries for a Patrick Byrne, but I'm pretty confident they're not Pat's father. A little too young and not married in time.

[supernova1965]

Thanks Carl,

Your good at this stuff lots of leads for me to follow up:D:thumbsup:

[renormalised]

Just found a very good match for the above...

A Patrick Byrne born at the right time (about 1742) from Dunleary, Monkstown, Dublin. Married to a Martha Connor (b.1747, in same) in 1768 (in same). They have a son, Christopher (b. 19 Nov 1769), who is probably Patrick's older brother.

[renormalised]

Many years of practice and experience:):)

[renormalised]

As an aside, I found Martha's brother and his wife and kid:):). His name was Patrick Connor, married to woman named Ann. They had a girl, Martha, born 13 Mar 1766 in Monkstown, Dublin.

[renormalised]

Just found out Patrick's birthdate, and his (and Martha's) parents. Patrick was born 25 Oct 1737 (10 years older than Martha) in Monkstown, Dublin.

Their parents were Thomas Connor and Mary. Thomas was born in 1703 (Monkstown) and he married Mary in 1729 (Monkstown). Mary was born around 1708 (Monkstown). Apart from Patrick, they also had a son named Thomas (b.5 Oct 1733, Monkstown, Dublin). Young Thomas married a woman named Elizabeth (b. 1735) in 1756 in Monkstown.

I may also have a bead on Thomas' father, but I'm not too certain on which Thomas it might be. He may have been born in either 1672 or 1670. There's an outside chance he was born in 1662, but that might make him a little too old, unless his son Thomas (b. 1703) is a youngest son.

[supernova1965]

I have found some pic's of Jane and Thomas and Jane's grave

[renormalised]

Just found that Patrick and Thomas had a sister, Mary (b. 18 Jan 1735, Monkstown, Dublin). Twin brothers named John and William who were born on 16 Jul 1739 and died 9 days later. They were baptised on the 18th July. A brother Samuel, born 15 Mar 1740. Another sister named Sarah, born 22 Jul 1731 (bapt on the 26).

[renormalised]

Your Jane died in 1888....that might be a relation, but not your 3x Great Grandmother. Might be your 2nd great grandmother.

[renormalised]

Warren, whereabout's is that headstone, in QLD or NSW???

[supernova1965]

Georgetown Cemetery QLD so you might be right there. I have found my fathers family I believe the first in Australia his name is Johann (John) Maag 1845-1905

[renormalised]

She could also be a wife of a cousin.

[Mliss]

my past is a little harder to trace...or so i thought. :P

i feel like you guys are family so i'll share.

I was adopted so didn't know my bio parents for years and years. in the process of finding my birth mother, i stumbled on some court documents and found my biological dad's name. cut a long story short, i picked up the phone one day after going thru the phone book and called him.

would loved to have seen the look on his face...:eyepop:

his wife didn't know i existed so that firmly put him the the dog house for a week :lol: i spoke to him the following day and he gave me my birth mothers married name... checked out the phone book once again and found her. :) that was 12yrs ago. I've met both of them and it was such an amazing time. I keep in touch with my birth mum and she's an angel.

anyway.... my birth dad who i don't really speak to, did give me a copy of my family tree. i don't know how correct it is, and anyone who has tried to dig up records on the womans side would know it's a nightmare, so i've only been able to confirm it in part.

but, it turns out my rellies are traced right back to King Edward I.

meh, where's my castle?? :shrug:

still pretty cool tho :D

[tlgerdes]

Our earliest ancestor to come to Australia

Whereas it is notified down in writing by the General Commanding in Chief that John Thorp a private soldier of the Second Battalion of the First (or Royal) Regiment of Foot was by need at a General Court Marshal holden at the Royal Barracks, Dublin on the Twenty-sixth day of February One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty-six tried and found guilty upon the following charges:


Vide licet “For being absent without leave from tattoo roll call at Enniskillen on or about the night of the 3rd February, 1836 and not returning until brought back by the party sent in search of him at or about half past eight o’clock the same night.

For insubordinate conduct at Enniskillen on or about 3rd February, 1836 in having when ordered to the guards room made use of disgusting language towards Colour Sergeant William Sineth No. 21 Light Company 2nd Battalion The Royal. For Making away with or losing through neglect between 30th January and 3rd February, 1836 the following articles of his regimental necessaries viz. one pair of boots 8/- and one shirt 4/- amounting in all to twelve shillings.

For insubordinate and outrageous conduct towards Lieutenant Augustus Howard Ormsby 2nd Battalion the Royal the Subaltern of the day in the execution of his duty at Enniskillen on or about 5th February, 1836 in telling him he did not give a damn for him and throwing the bread brought for his breakfast into the Barrack Square after the said Lieutenant Augustus Howard Ormsby 2nd Battalion or Royal.

For insubordinate and outrageous conduct towards Sergeant John Gordon No. 393 No. 2 Company 2nd Battalion of the Royal the Sergeant of the Guard in execution of his duty at Enniskillen on or about 3rd February, 1836 and crushing his hand in a threatening position and telling the said Sergeant John Gordon to be off with himself and that he would kick him if he could get at him and throwing his bread at him and
striking him with it, the said Sergeant John Gordon “For having at Enniskillen on or about fifth February, 1836 would for offering violence to Sergeant John Gordon No. 393 No. 2 Company 2nd Battalion the Royal when in the execution of his duty to be sentenced to be transported as a felon for the term of his natural life and whereas Caution of the said Court Material the King intends should be carried into Execution
I do therefore herby order and direct that the said John Thorp be transported as a felon to New South Wales for the said term of his natural life pursuant to said sentence and his Majesty’s pleasure thereupon as aforesaid and according to the statute in such case made and dated this 28th day of March 1836.

I think the irreverent nature must be genetic :lol: