Books and carbon tax

[AdrianF]

Any body been charged carbon offset tax when buying secondhand books from the states?
Just bought Burnhams Celestial Objects for $12 US and they charged me 5 cents Carbon Tax

Adrian

[marki]

Why on earth would they be charging carbon tax do they hand it over to Julia :confused2:. I think you just got ripped 5 cents :D

Mark

[supernova1965]

Australia's carbon tax won't start till next year so I don't know you may be being ripped off by the seller:shrug: and books would not attract any type of carbon tax so I think the seller would be open to challenge in court.

[RickS]

It must be in case you decide to burn the book :lol:

[AdrianF]

Have a look at the invoice.
The company is Better World Books in the US, I am not complaining I was just curious.


Adrian

[multiweb]

:rofl:Carbon neutral shipping. What a croc of s||t. Yep... the BS has truly started. Maybe you'll get it in 6 months coz the only CO2 friendly shipping will be by raw boat. :thumbsup:

[supernova1965]

I found this link talking about this

http://simiansiblings.blogspot.com/2008/11/better-world-books.html

[tlgerdes]

Warren it was an interesting link and I think this is why they do it

It is only a few pennies per book, but when thousands of people do it every day it adds up.


$$$$$$$

:lol::lol::lol:

[supernova1965]

:P:rofl::rofl::rofl::P

[Gem]

Which is worse in the long term enviromentally... buying a book made of paper and reading it, or spending the time online (or reading an ebook)? At the end of the day the book should be biodegradeable to some extent... not sure about the laptop or ipad (and all the electricity too)...
I am not going either way... just throwing it out for thought. :)

[Octane]

I've bought books from BWB in the past. Even a couple of years ago, they were charging a tiny levy for carbon neutrality, so it's not a new thing.

Also, they have the best order confirmation emails. :)

H

[jenchris]

A book fixes carbon so I'm not sure why they'd charge.
I had an idea that they should get that weed that grows by 100% a day in creeks and just fish out half every day and take it out to the Simpson desert where it can sit for 10,000 years as dry as.

[KenGee]

Offsetting your carbon is good there's lots of other things we should consider when we doing things. Where does your veggie oil come from and what not. thinking about your impact on the earth and those around is a very old tradition, Man has lived this way for most of our history.

The flat Earthers will go off, hell we'd all still be using asbestos, DDT and sucking down fags if they had their way.

[Davros]

Or we would still have the freedom of choice to do those things. Good thing the goverment is here to do our thinking for us though. Saves us having to make those pesky choices.

[strongmanmike]

Totally agree, left to our own devices without regulations most of us do only what's the easiest and makes us the most money, regardless of its impact on the environment and the health of others.

People bag governments and scream their right to low taxes, free will and natural selection...until of course there is a crisis either economic or natural when they then expect the government to bail them out.

Good on the book store :clap:, even if its efforts are negligible in the big scheme of things hopefully the sentiment will be infectious :thumbsup:

Mike

[AdrianF]

I just bought another book from them Burnhams Celestial Handbook 3 from them and paid another 5 cents carbon tax, I am happy to help cure the carbon problem :D
As long as I get what I want aswell

Adrian

[Hagar]

What a crock. We are no longer allowed to make any decisions ourselves. We must be regulated comrad.

[acropolite]

IMO Carbon offset is mostly a scam, the offset is usually produced by investment in plantations, most often planted on land that has been previously stripped of native forest, if not that, planted on valuable farm land, in the case of Australia, subsidized by the taxpayer in the form of MIS schemes.

The dollars you elect to spend on "carbon offset" are most likely going to large multi-national companies who are buying up land worldwide at your expense. In an ever expanding world only two things are really important, land and water. Do some research, you'll be alarmed to find just how much of this country's land and resources are already in foreign ownership.

Don't get the wrong impression, I'm firmly in the climate change believer category, but the solutions to date are too simplistic and designed simply to harvest public money at the same time delivering no or small outcomes. When the authorities start making decisions and adopting measures that make a real difference I'll be more than happy to pay.

[supernova1965]

Of course we are allowed to make these choices ourselves but it is like the frog in water that is brought to the boil slowly they will just sit there until they die but if they are put in boiling water they jump out. Please don't do this experiment some nasty person has already done it that is how we know the result.

[xelasnave]

It is wonderful to see people considering their personal impact:thumbsup:.

I worry that tax and Government can solve problems given the track record on crime, drunkeness, drugs or domestic violence to name a few.

The tree planting in my area was a joke... good river flat land gone to a forest that no animal can live in..none of these forest get maintained properly..the tree companies went broke ...I love forests (I live in one) but mono culture (plantation forests, palm oil etc, is not good for any reason other than a for commercial return.)

AND looking at the expensive toys (hot cars boats planes etc) it seems some will carry on with little regard to how their behaviour impacts...tax probably has little impact on someone bent on racing.

But actions such as these book folk do focus attention and that cant be all bad.

I think planing to live in a future where nothing has been achieved is realistic... I wonder what that world will be like.


alex:):):)

[marki]

No use arguing about it here. This will all be sorted out in the next election and as a democratic country the will of the people is always right.


Mark

[xelasnave]

Indeed you are correct Mark.

We need someone who will act afirmatively...my vote goes to this guy;)

http://paultan.org/2011/08/05/problem-with-illegally-parked-cars-roll-over-them-then/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Paultanorg+(paul tan.org+-+The+Automotive+Industry:+Cars,+New s,Technology,+Test+Drive+Reports)

alex:):):)

[marki]

Haha Alex, I have always wanted to do that except replace parking for the morning freeway traffic jam :D. I think the next election will be a lot easier now that Komrad Gillardski and Herr Tony Clink have finally layed their cards on the table.

Mark

[Hagar]

Nothing remotely like the frog in the pot Warren. The book must be carbon offset because it is made from wood pulp. Cut down a tree. Big joke, the tree was probably planted for that very purpose and probably has nothing to do with th denuding of critical forests such as the amazon forest or Asian forests which are causing a build up of CO2.
Just another example of money grabbing.
Perhaps you are like the frog in the pot and must be told what you can and can't do. I on the other hand can and will make my own mind up and will boycott these rip off merchants.

[supernova1965]

No I am not staying in the pot I know we have to do everything we can to prevent what will happen if we do nothing. I have already made my choice and the government still has a long way to go to catch up to where I am in my thinking:thumbsup:

[Davros]

Couldnt agree more, it would be nice if the goverment did something responsible regarding carbon instead of socialist wealth redistribution. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[KenGee]

I see the flat earther's are true to form. A few points to think on, I would love to live in a world where there was far less rules and regulations. However I also know that just like socialism it sounds good but it does work in the real world. Human greed means that we have to have rules, most people would agree with that.
The challenge is when to rules become oppressive? That will be different for different people.
If we all live by the golden rule do to others how you want to be treated then all rules and regs should have their basis in that basic tenant.

If your actions are adversely affecting other people then you should stop it. I really don't understand why someone would oppose this unless your a anarchist.
Good manners should stop your neighbor from mowing their lawn at 5’o’clock in the morning, however I glad we have noise pollution rules to back it up as there is always one person who doesn’t care about others.

Hagar nothing in the proposed carbon tax reduces your choices. Is extra tax on smokes bad? Is the regulation of extracting water out of the Murray good or are they taking away our freedoms.

Xelasnave, I agree on the mono culture comment. When we use trees to offset our carbon then we should re-vegetate rather then plant one type of tree.

The next election may result in a change in governent but it will not mean that global warming will go away. Remeber also that most libs think a market based emission trading is the best means to control carbon emissions. So no matter what Phony Tony says to get your vote now, will the Libs dismantle the ETS.

[Davros]

Kenny i think you are still not seeing that Gillardski's Carbon Tax will have zero effect on the levels of carbon produced. Charging extremely large multi-national companies extra for producing carbon will simply see those costs factored into their production and passed on to us the consumers. Then if you are on goverment handouts those handouts will increase. The rest of us 'flat earthers' who have ensured for our own future by pursuing high levels of education and achieving decent career paths will not be recieving this golden handshake. We just get left to pick up the tab for everyone else. Maybe if Gillardski went out and planted some trees it might make a difference. Instead she has just handed out 16 million as a gift to the new country of southern Uganda which is surprisingly rich in oil reserves. Maybe that money should have been put towards alternative power sources for Australia. Oh and by the way the latest NASA data has the planet at an average of 12 degrees cooler than usual (pesky global warming).
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=42260

[strongmanmike]

Awww didm's :sadeyes:...you poor suffering soul, where's the vomit emoticon...

[Davros]

Well that was constructive...........but i have had enough of this thread topic. It saddens me that people on this forum who i percieve as being smarter than the average are obviously not. I am over the stress of arguing about this. IIS is a place where i come to regain sanity not face 'the sky is falling' crowd.

[strongmanmike]

Oh I seeeee of course and the Gillardski and comrades comments are constructive :rolleyes: :lol:

All good fun to me..but might be a case of glass houses here...;)

Why the stress anyway?...don't take it so seriously :thumbsup:

[marki]

Ah Komrad Sidonski, you cannot blame the "flat Earther" Davros for this as it was I who started it :P:D. But as Komrad Kenny Geeski suggested,

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Mark

[AdrianF]

I think I am sorry I started this thread now. I didn't mean to get people arguing :sadeyes:

Adrian

[Deeno]

Hold the phone! The science is in. Global Warming. Australian crops will fail from permanent drought. We will never see flooding rain again and the snow fields will be finished by 2012!

But wait, its cooling?
And then it’s warming again?
Now we have Climate Change and, OMG! The coast will be inundated by the oceans!
Could it be the climate hasn't been changing since Moses was a boy, until now?

Can’t blame those who have the ability to think for themselves, to be suspicious of political motives.
The data seems to support whatever agenda of the person who interprets it.

So what is the truth? We are still going to be China and India's quarry. We dig it out of the ground and they burn it while Australian manufacturing is flushed down the loo but, our desire to consume will still continue to rise so we import more from these unregulated polluters because it’s cheap and we pay and pay till.......?

Maybe we should call it the Fluffy Pink Elephant Tax. It will have the same impact on the environment and you will still feel warm and fuzzy about the extra five cents tax per book.