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strongmanmike
23-04-2011, 11:21 PM
Well...after some fiddling and farting around and the inevitable Murphy's Law weather and life and work etc :rolleyes:...I managed first light last night.

The scope is relatively easy (for me anyway :P) to set up and as seen in the photos below is perfectly balanced in all parts of the sky. The collimation, while time consuming :scared:, is easy to do physically because the OTA is so short and even though I don't feel I have 100% nailed it yet it is pretty close and any residule misscollimation is relatively minor considering the image circle we have here is a wopping 2.6deg across at 1.6"/pix! :eyepop:

I have to say...this appears to be a great scope :thumbsup:

Apart from gusting breezes all night, the seeing was pretty woefull early on in the night for the Omega Cen shot and I was dodging cloud. I went for Cen A later on to test how the system flexed when moved and Cen A was pretty low in the south west so it also suffered in resolution a bit but the last image for the night NGC 6334 Cats Paw the seeing had improved markedly so the session ended on a great note :)

I had to spend a while getting the collimation right (it's still not quite peeeerfect) but once honed in the bloody thing works YAAAAY :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:. The Aurora Flat field Panel was great and I worked out correct exposures for each filter but this took up a bit of time from trial and error.

The skies from Mums place are about as bad as they come for light pollution and add to that a 3/4 moon and poor seeing most of the night the conditions weren't ideal for a fast 12" astrograph with a 2.6deg diaginal field of view!....but I recon the results still speak for themselves.

The power of more apperture and the super fast focal ratio (F3.8) was evident and remarkably these are all amazingly brief exposures, I was just testing so I was using just 2min subs and not many of them :eyepop: The FLI Atlas focuser worked perfectly too and carried and moved the heavy imaging train without a hitch.

The NJP mount didn't miss a beat either even with 34kg of counterweights PLUS the scopes and cameras - beaut mount that!

The following are only TEST shots, proper long exposures with longer subs under a dark and moonless sky will come....

First Light Images (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/first_light_ag12) (select "original" size from the other sizes menu at the very bottom of an image page) capture details are under each image!

and you can see the setup and first light session photos here

Setting up for First Light (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/ag12_testing)

I am so happy (given my history with the ASA scope of similar design some 4 years ago :mad2: and the associated trepidation that caused me on this current venture) and after these results I have decided to become a kind of agent or more like a conduit for Orion Optics imaging OTA's :D... so if you are interested in one of these beasts or even an Orion Optics ODK OTA or optics, drop me a line at m.sidonio@bigpond.com I have negotiated so I can get you a good price too :thumbsup:

Happy Mike :D:D:D

jjjnettie
23-04-2011, 11:58 PM
:D You must be one happy chappy Mike.

allan gould
23-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Congratulations Mike, the catspaw and omega shots are absolutely stunning and remarkable in light of the moon being up and such short exposures.
You must be relieved that it's all gone together so well and IT WORKS!!!!!

strongmanmike
24-04-2011, 09:21 AM
Cheers JJJ and Al to get such results from literally just a few minutes of exposure is just what I was after with this platform and considering the largely poor seeing and severe light pollution plus 3/4 moon, I am pretty excited at the possibilities from a dark site :thumbsup:...

Mike

marki
24-04-2011, 10:06 AM
Well it looks like it works very well indeed. By the way I will take 100 OTA's if you can get them to me by Sun 23rd of April 2011 :P:D.

Mark

jjjnettie
24-04-2011, 10:10 AM
:rofl: Just looking at the pics of you setting up. I forgot to mention.
I'm sooooo green with envy. I want one!!

strongmanmike
24-04-2011, 10:20 AM
I'll see what I can do Marki....:question: :rundog: :lol:



Well, that can be arranged :whistle: talk to me :thumbsup:...and remember there is an 8" version just peeerfect for dainty lady astronomers like you :P

Mike

TrevorW
24-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Nice but can't see much of the scope because someone kept getting in the pictures

ps: like the way the table set up with table cloth and all, anyone for tea

peter_4059
24-04-2011, 12:06 PM
Looks like quite a few kgs of counterweights Mike - how much does the ota and rings weigh?

John Hothersall
24-04-2011, 03:50 PM
Been waiting a couple of weeks for this first light review but I knew you'd love the scope and your imaging will improve even further so imagine 20 hours plus on those galaxy tidal waves from a dark site. Told you collimation has to be perfect at F3.8 and will need patient fiddling but once done it should be fixed. OrionOptics are a small company but world class optical craftsmen and with favourable exchange rates they may make more sales here.

Looks like your using a guidescope from the images but I would strongly advise switching to an OAG for those really long dark site subs avoiding flexure completely.

John.

Hagar
24-04-2011, 04:40 PM
Congratulations on one magnificent scope Mike. I am so happy for you that all has worked out as you had hoped. The image of omega Cent is mind blowing. The colour and detail to the core is magnificent.
I am really looking forward to seeing what you can do with this at a dark sky site.
Congrats again.

Lester
24-04-2011, 05:36 PM
Good on ya Mike. Perhaps you could get a spray can of black for the counter weights, that would just make it all look really good. Have fun.

mozzie
24-04-2011, 06:49 PM
wow nice set up mike... and great first photo's you've got to be happy with that.....

look out IIS astrocamp this year!!!!!!!!!!!!

h0ughy
24-04-2011, 08:45 PM
you must be a relieved and happy man, nice shakedown

DavidTrap
24-04-2011, 09:12 PM
All I can say is that I'm happy you could stand upright whilst collimating your scope or that picture wouldn't have been as "pretty"!

Results look impressive - I can see some halos that aren't symmetrical around their stars - is this the "minor mis-collimation" of which you speak?

DT

David Fitz-Henr
25-04-2011, 07:14 PM
Great stuff Mike :thumbsup: Glad to see things have worked out so well!! Test shots look great!! With a larger scope at faster f3.8 you will now be able to take a lot more subs in a night which should help negate the disadvantage of not having a permanent setup!! :) I'll be interested to see how you go with the guidescope, depending on any differential flex - the CF sandwich tube should help minimise this and having a fast f-ratio (shorter subs) should also help. I'm planning a similar setup guidescope-wise - will you be taking the new scope to IIS Astrocamp this year??

Paul Haese
26-04-2011, 12:48 AM
That Omega full size image is superb; barring the slight star issues in the corners.

I anticipate to see some interesting images in the near future.

Fred you are funny, but I kind of agree. Love galaxy shots and that means going long.

strongmanmike
26-04-2011, 02:17 AM
In these two 100% crops we can compare the resolution acheived by taking 9 X 10min with a Astrophysics 6" Starfire APO against 10 X 2min with the Orion Optics AG12. Both images were taken through the same 11.8nm Astronomik Halpha filter.

While the AG12 image was snapped under a 3/4 moon (about 30deg away in the sky!) and in severe light pollution, there was no moon or light pollution for the Starfire image so with a 12nm Ha filter in use the signal to noise comparison really isn't fair.

The resolution however is essentially the same with only a lack of exposure and the seeing really being the determining factors - seeing was better on the night using the Starfire.

After this simple test exposure I would have to say that for a fast corrected Newtonian astrograph to have resolution this closely comparable to a World leading APO refractor is really quite remarkable!

Here is the comparison:

http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/134190322/original (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/134190322/original)

Mike
Fred and Paul, bah! you can keep your "can't fit anything in except galaxies" shots :lol:... long live the more versatile wide field high res vistas :thumbsup: (I win)

avandonk
26-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Here you go Mike an animated GIF 10MB

http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.com.au/2011_03/mikefinal.gif

Click anywhere on the image to see it at full resolution.


Bert

strongmanmike
26-04-2011, 06:50 PM
The new Starfire v AG12 comparison gif is here (http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/134190322/original)

Mike