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[iceman]

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Thanks!

[Barrykgerdes]

Hi
I am on facebook and have seen the site but I do not respond to requests for friends unless they are known to be relatives. I prefer to avoid "social networks" as they have no use for me.

Barry

[jjjnettie]

I'm on FaceBook everyday and regularly "share" IceInSpace.
I know I've lured more than a few into becoming members of the forum.:)
I've linked up with Astronomers from nearly every country around the globe. It's wonderful to share their experiences and triumphs.
This hobby truly has no borders.

[Suzy]

I'm on facebook, and I really enjoy the information that "IceInSpace" on facebook shares with me. Thank you Mike for putting it on facebook. :)

And I'd also like to add that JJJ is a great marketing person for IIS- she continuously gets IIS out there & shared to other users on facebook. :thumbsup:

[erick]

I'm just not that social.......:sadeyes:

[astroron]

I was sceptical about Face Book, :shrug: but now am a great user of it:)
I have caught up with many old friends and acquaintances :)and Like iceinspace :thumbsup:

[Suzy]

Erick, you don't have to be that "social", honestly! :D I didn't think I was that social :shrug:, and when I first started about two months ago, it even scared me :eyepop:, but now I just love it so much! It's a great way of keeping in touch with family members in particular (as Barry mentioned). It's incredible what I find out what my daughter is up to for one :rolleyes::lol:. Also, another thing I really like (pardon the pun), is the "like" function. When you "like" something, you get all these news feeds, for example from Nasa, IIS (of course), ESO, rock groups, etc etc - just a wealth of info! Go on, give it a go :D. And you'll be surprised with how many people it links you up with- long lost relatives and friends, and of course, myself and others that are members here :D.

[jenchris]

I won't have a bar of facebook - I'd rather keep my sanity and my privacy

[ngcles]

Hi Erick & Jeanette,



JJJ, this makes you a "siren" of sorts (see Homer's Iliad).




... says the man who joined this forum two days before I did and has only racked up 5,500 more posts in essentially the same time. If this is being "not that social" then I must be a veritable hermit -- yet I am on FB.


Best,

Les D

[multiweb]

The social aspect is not what worries me. I just don't like signing in somewhere I've never been before and they hook me up with people I already know or met. That's a bit spooky. I don't know them but they know who I am, who I met and my preferences before even asking me one single question. :question:

I think Google [is your friend :rolleyes:] for one has collected a huge amount of intel over the years, browsing habits, etc... with their ID cookies, you name it, about pretty much anybody who's been using them(i.e. 100% of people :P) . The data harvested is shared/sold behind the scenes obviously so god knows what else they do with it. Whether it's Linkedin or other, I'd put them all in the same bag. :lol:

Then I hear privacy laws and star laughing...

[erick]

:rolleyes: guilty as charged :)

[Octane]

Agreed with Jen and Marc. : D

I'm reminded of the Friendface episode of The IT Crowd, lol.

H

[ballaratdragons]

Hmmmmm . . . I have a Facebook account but never go there.
I don't like it. I doubt if I'll ever go back to even check on it.

Certainly a mixed bag of feelings about it in here already.

[asimov]

I joined facebook a couple of years ago to keep in touch with all the backpackers that returned to their home countries at my last place of employment that I was working with, plus it's a good way to get to see all their photos being taken from there travels, & posted in their FB accounts.

[acropolite]

I use it a little, the interface to me is a dogs breakfast, disjointed and illogical.

I spend much of the day on the PC working out creative ways to programme what customers want in to our PABX's, the last thing I want when I get online is a social networking tool with a learning curve.

My opinion may change in time bit for now Facebook is 2 out of 10.

[Alchemy]

Nup.....

Like ice in space, but not looking to take it beyond that, I get enough astro contact here. And just enough anonymity to be able to turn off if I wish.

[gbeal]

Call me an old fart, but I like my privacy. Good to see I am not the only one though.
Gary

[Tandum]

Me too, don't need it, don't want it.
However the misses spends quite a bit of time tending a farm on facebook ? Go Figure.

[mill]

Face book?? I hate it with a passion.
Lots of people put there whole life's story on it and then complain that they have no privacy anymore.
Nah some forums for me but that is it :)

[Waxing_Gibbous]

I was initially sceptical. Now a convert. Most of the people I know live abroad in Asia, Europe or North America. Its a great way to stay in touch. I shall share the wealth as it were.
Peter

[danielsun]

I sometimes have enough trouble keeping up with what's going on here.
Might check it out one day and see what all the fuss is about.

[Chillie]

I'm on Facebook but I keep a low profile. If I said why I'm on Facebook, I would be warned or banned from IIS.

[Jen]

Yeah i love to hate facebook :lol: and hate to love facebook :rolleyes:
You can make it as private as you like or you can tell the world when you are about to go and pee if you like :rofl: But it is great to keep up with all sorts of things that you are interested in and finding good old school friends and keeping in touch with family if i want to know what my daughter is up to i log onto facebook :rofl::rofl:
But there are idiots on there too :rolleyes:
This is the new generation that we live in now and if you dont keep up you will be left behind :P :rofl::rofl:

Im sooo addicted to playing bejewelled blitz on facebook hehehe :D

[PCH]

I read the other day that FB is currently valued at US$25 Billion :eyepop:

Just what is it about this company that produces nothing that makes it worth anything at all, let alone $25bills ??

[Octane]

Advertising.

I don't understand how jitter makes money, either.

H

[PCH]

Cheers H

- you live and learn :thumbsup:

[multiweb]

I think the bulk of their $$$ would be sell... err, leaking,... damn! sorry , sharing people details with other mobs. :P So you were absolutely right yeah. I'll just add targeted advertising. :)

[Analog6]

It is useful to me for the photography, but I don't put my whole life up there (unlike some of my friends - what are they thinking!). I have a lot of contacts from my cat and photography forums but I never join in the games and promotions.

[multiweb]

You don't have too. They know it all already ;)

[iceman]

I hide all those games like farmville and the other spammy things that show up in my feed.

But I love it - catch up with lots of old school friends, old work colleagues, online friends etc.

Like Jen said, you can make it as private or as public as you like.

My wife now wants to get a facebook account just so she can check out other people's goings on - not to post any herself. You don't have to divulge anything if you choose not to.

[MuntiNZ]

Haha people ask me why I am not on FB and I say 'coz I am not a 12 yo girl!!!' :lol:
And that twitter is also totally for people with no lives!
Reckon in a few years all these people who want to be the centre of attention so bad will wish they didnt have all there life displayed on google for ever!!!

[iceman]

The fastest growing demographic for Facebook is middle-aged women.

No doubt all the teenagers are already on Facebook, but it's growing for everyone - all demographics.

I don't know why people hate it so much - especially those that have never tried it out. If you tried it and don't like it, fine - cancel your account. But to bag it when you've never joined up, based on what other people do on facebook, just doesn't seem logical to me.

[multiweb]

:lol: This network is b|tchin' bro! I'll have to sign my mother in law on it. She'll bring it dooowwnn! :P

[jjjnettie]

FB is also a life line to the outside world for those who are house bound or isolated in rural areas. A chance to interact and socialize.

The inane chatter of teens can be turned off while still remaining in contact with them. Though with my own boys, I like to know exactly what they're up to. LOL

[astroron]

Please Tell me where This targeted Advertising is:question:
I have been on Face Book Now for over two years and have not bought a thing:shrug:
I don't even notice if there is Advertising:rolleyes:.
As others have pointed out you can put as little or as much information as you want on your profile ;)
I Was unsure at first but now am a a big user of FB.:thumbsup:
I am no Spring Chicken but have embraced Face Book and enjoy keeping up with Old and New friends :D
As Mike said if you have never used it how can you judge it:shrug:
Cheers

[that_guy]

Its as targeted advertising as the adverts on IIS on the side of your screen..

[el_draco]

Hell No, its like selling your soul to the devil. Security holes everywhere and they get to keep your info and do whatever they want with it FOREVER! :eyepop::eyepop::eyepop:
Apart from that, its one more piece of crap designed to stop people talking to each other. Just about every warning bell I have screams at me about this crapapp.

[multiweb]

Hi Ron, your online trail or online identity, personal data, call it what you will is simply shared and used for trending, targeted advertising, etc... That is a fact.




I have been registered and used facebook since their inception. I have also developed similar systems so I know how they tick. :) I'm saying I don't like the way they use the data they collect from other sources or the FB platform itself and what they do with it.

The social networking part is just the tip of the iceberg. Don't be naive people.

[mill]

That is all good and well but they have then your name and email adress as as well as gender and age.
Then when you go browsing, they can, at will get info about your browsing habits.
Read the rest below, straight from the facebook privacy policy page:

Information we collect when you interact with Facebook:

Site activity information. We keep track of some of the actions you take on Facebook, such as adding connections (including joining a group or adding a friend), creating a photo album, sending a gift, poking another user, indicating you “like” a post, attending an event, or connecting with an application. In some cases you are also taking an action when you provide information or content to us. For example, if you share a video, in addition to storing the actual content you uploaded, we might log the fact that you shared it.

Access Device and Browser Information. When you access Facebook from a computer, mobile phone, or other device, we may collect information from that device about your browser type, location, and IP address, as well as the pages you visit.

Cookie Information. We use "cookies" (small pieces of data we store for an extended period of time on your computer, mobile phone, or other device) to make Facebook easier to use, to make our advertising better, and to protect both you and Facebook. For example, we use them to store your login ID (but never your password) to make it easier for you to login whenever you come back to Facebook. We also use them to confirm that you are logged into Facebook, and to know when you are interacting with Facebook Platform applications and websites, our widgets and Share buttons, and our advertisements. You can remove or block cookies using the settings in your browser, but in some cases that may impact your ability to use Facebook.

Information we receive from third parties:

Facebook Platform. We do not own or operate the applications or websites that you use through Facebook Platform (such as games and utilities). Whenever you connect with a Platform application or website, we will receive information from them, including information about actions you take. In some cases, in order to personalize the process of connecting, we may receive a limited amount of information even before you connect with the application or website.

Information from other websites. We may institute programs with advertising partners and other websites in which they share information with us:


We may ask advertisers to tell us how our users responded to the ads we showed them (and for comparison purposes, how other users who didn’t see the ads acted on their site). This data sharing, commonly known as “conversion tracking,” helps us measure our advertising effectiveness and improve the quality of the advertisements you see.
We may receive information about whether or not you’ve seen or interacted with certain ads on other sites in order to measure the effectiveness of those ads.



If in any of these cases we receive data that we do not already have, we will “anonymize” it within 180 days, meaning we will stop associating the information with any particular user. If we institute these programs, we will only use the information in the ways we explain in the “How We Use Your Information” section below.

Information from other users. We may collect information about you from other Facebook users, such as when a friend tags you in a photo, video, or place, provides friend details, or indicates a relationship with you.

Read it all carefully because there is a lot more :eyepop:
PS: If you delete your account, it might stay on the server for up t0 90 day's :(

[Barrykgerdes]

As I said earlier I have a face book account that has enabled me to locate some relatives and get their email addresses which I use if necessary to contact them. I managed to locate a lost grandson who I had not seen for 20 years.

I keep getting emails from facebook that are people wanting to be friends and face book says it hasn't heard from me for a long time. Most are ignored.

The one thing you must always remember with any online communication, including private emails. once it is in the system it is available to the world. So remember NEVER put anything into the system that you would be unhappy with if it fell into the wrong hands.

That even includes this forum!

Barry

[el_draco]

...and the source of the fact is??? Do a casual online search under "faecesbook security issues" and get worried... fast. The founder of this Crapapp has stated publically that persoanl privacy is dead.

As I recall, our equally corrupt Govt., (for 20 years), stated that our tax file numbers would only be used to ensure they were dealing with the correct individual when corresponding about tax related issues.... yeah right, (check out the data matching act), and this is a government, (admittedly, a government run largely by a cartel of corrupt lawyers).

If you can't trust your government why on earth would you trust a profit driven company? Faecesbook will do whatever it can to make a profit including passing on any and every piece of info they have on you. NO ethics involved.

As many people are finding out to their utter horror, this garbage can be used against you forever. It's now costing people their careers and, in a number of cases, their lives.

Faecesbooks so called privacy settings are pure fantasy designed to convince the gullible that they can make fools of themselves online... with nobody watching :screwy:

Data=information=power and Power corrupts

[jjjnettie]

Got no money to spend so their advertising is wasted on me.:P
I find it amusing watching the ads change though. I mentioned elephants once in a reply to a post and next thing you know, there is an ad for jewelry and there is an elephant on the necklace. LOLOL
I'm basically an honest person, I have nothing to hide.
I'm just a person who enjoys interacting with others who have the same interests as I.
I enjoy learning from them. I love that I'm up to date with the latest happenings in the greater Astronomical community.:)

[Barrykgerdes]

Ebay is the same. Make a bid on something or just mark it and watch all the suggestions come up with items that you might be interested in. Any wonder why these sites are traded in $billions.

Barry

[multiweb]

:lol: Yeah, the ATO data thing was a beauty. People complained a bit at the time I remember but what would be have been considered unethical or just not on 10yrs ago is now common practice. :P

I have been in the industry for well over 15yrs. I have seen things change first hand from the inside out and countless time I found myself thinking or saying "wow! hang on! you can't do that!" to only be replied "nah!... how would they know" or "...everybody's doing it now". I have seen pieces of software going viral distributed for one advertised purpose while the backend was designed to collect personal data.

Then you wonder why we are force fed ads and indundated with spam. I deal with 80000 spams per 24h slice. :mad2: Identity theft is also becoming a major issue. People now will trust a computer more than a poor bugger who's been hacked saying I didn't do it. I never sign up or bought this.

Call me old school but to me respecting people and privacy is gold and just what it is: private. If I am using an online service that collected information or data about me from any other source then I have a problem. I don't think it's right.

There's an old saying in the industry. If you're data is not on your box it's on somebody else's. Dont kid yourself, You've be owned. :thumbsup:

[Karls48]

My wife uses it, I keep away from it

[Octane]

This article is now a little dated, it was written when there 59 million users, but it still stands:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

Make of it what you will.

If you enjoy using it and aren't concerned with all the pitfalls and creepiness hidden in the terms of service, more power to you!

Me, personally, email and phone still works! : D

H

[multiweb]

Too true. :lol: I like the following three words: Get a life :)

Here's the punchline below IMHO. I rest my case.
Dump your 1200 friends, by a rod, get out fishing and enjoy real friends. :thumbsup:

[el_draco]

I dont do Coke, Blockbuster, Sony nor do I even know what the other two are... (How delightful!)

Parasites like Zuckerberg can shove that up his provervial and smoke it! :thumbsup:
... and I spend maybe $20 bucks a month on the mobile and that bloody thing is teetering on the edge of a long dive to the bottom of the Tamar River! :D

[Jen]

Well its no different than the information that you have put on here if i wanted to find you i could :lol::lol: You live in Hobart about 938 kilometeres away from me and if i worked out your cordinates i could pretty much hunt u down hehehe :rofl: and i also know your a teacher so during school hours i can sneak over to your place and steal your G11 :lol: and people dont have to be a member of IIS to see that information :P
You have to be added as a friend to see that sort of information on Facebook :screwy:

[multiweb]

True but this is information Rom has chosen to post publicly. Big difference... What we're talking about here is one organisation consolidating data about individual users coming from different sources, both public and private including content from their hard drive accessed through browser caching, activex or other means. It goes far beyond public posts and it is not rocket science. There are many ways to do this. Believe me you would be shocked. Ignorance is bliss.

[el_draco]

Go for it Jen.. :P When you grab my G11, watch out for the motion sensing camera, and the killer possums....:lol: There are 250,000 people here and I aint in the city. Not listed in phone book either, so you'll be struggling a bit there. Mail goes to other than my direct address... hmmm

Of course, it is quite possible to find me, a bit of IT savy makes it pretty easy, unfortunately, but not so easy as on faecesbook where many gullible individuals pour the information out like they are trying to unburden their souls...., and the Zuck makes money out of it!

Here, I don't tell people what, where when and with whom I am doing anything... You'd blush if I did... :D, but thats the crap you get on faecesbook by the truckload. Nor do I have to brag about how many so called "friends" I have as if I am trying to prove I am popular.:screwy::screwy:

[iceman]

Gee the haters come out of the wood-work and just keep on it don't they! :)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'm IT-Savvy and tech-savvy and facebook-savvy enough to make my own decisions about what I post on FB and what I share on any online site, and understand the consequences.

[multiweb]

No hate. Just simple facts that 90% of people are not aware of when browsing online. We're all adults and can make our own mind but there's no harm in laying it out on the table for everybody to see so everything is clear and you can make an informed choice.

[Octane]

I don't see any hate. Just the truth.

H

[el_draco]

Didn't start the conversation but I get irked when people give up their rights without the slghest undertanding of what they are actually doing. Many may think it is innocent, but this thing is sucking away our right to privacy and people are starting to lose their careers, and some, far more.

EVERYTHING you say or post on that thing is available for sale forever, whether you think you have "privacy" or not. That is the one simple, incontrevertible fact that is out there about faecesbook!

I dont hate it, waste of time, it nauseates me.

[iceman]

Ron you call it immature names every time you type it. That looks like hating to me.

I have no problems with people who don't like it - it just annoys me when they've stated their opinions, and then keep coming back every 2nd or 3rd post to state it again and again.

[kinetic]

Yeah y'all...all you haters...Gingers DO have souls....

what's facebook?

[Octane]

Oh, Steve. I will have to pm you a Yahoo! Answers page, re: gingers.

H

[Octane]

Rom,

www.lamebook.com

F*c*b**k recently trademarked the word "face" and lamebook got kicked off because it contains the word "book" in its name.

H

[Barrykgerdes]

Hi Rom
I notice no one has commented on your "spelling" of facebook but I agree that that about sums it up.

Barry

[astroron]

Barry, there are half a Billion people who enjoy FACE BOOK and I am one of them:D.
All the information the detractors quote as being used and abused by Face Book and others is available from many different sources, some legitimate and others not:rolleyes:
I don't drink Coca Cola use any of the stuff quoted in an earlier post, so it is no detriment to me:)
I think that the people who are using it are quite happy to be putting their stuff out there and to most there is no detrimental effect:shrug:
No one is forced to join any Social Network.
If you don't like it don't join it :rolleyes:but then don't preach to others as to why they shouldn't be part of it, and use rotten names to describe it.
Conspiracy Theorist are having a ball on this thread,:screwy:
Anyone would think the World is going to end for all us Face Book user's :sadeyes:
I far as I am concerned I am quite happy to be part of it and will be for some time to come :thumbsup:

[multiweb]

Hi Ron, it's all about choice really, you're absolutely right there. I won't argue. :thumbsup:

Just do this little exercise for me. It won't hurt your facebook profile, don't worry. Go through the procedure of de-registering (i.e. opting out). When it is done and you have received the confirmation email, go back to www.facebook.com (http://www.facebook.com) and type in your (old) login details and see what happens. :)

[PCH]

Hi Marc,

for those of us that aren't members of FB, do tell - what does happen when you do what you just said ?

Cheers :thumbsup:

[astroron]

Thankyou Mark, I have already done that in the past.
I de-registered a couple of years ago and then came back on some time later and put in the same details and wella still there.So What:question:
The world didn't end with them having the miniscule amount of information I had given them to set up my "Profile"
Most of that Info is in the "Public Domain":thumbsup:

[multiweb]

Thank you. So still there heh? ;) Now why is that? :question:

[multiweb]

Rego's a one way trip. You opt-in, you can't get out. Twitter, linked-in and a few others are based on the same model. Basic de-activation but all data retained. For archival purposes. ;)

[Barrykgerdes]

OK Ron if you like facebook, good for you, I don't like or dislike it. I just use it very sparingly. It has its uses but they are of very little interest to me. My comment was on a technicallity of spelling.

Barry

[astroron]

Mark,Who cares:question: not I :thumbsup:
We Are on so many Data Bases it is not funny, and to most people it makes not one Iota of difference to their lives what so ever:shrug:
Cheers

[astroron]

Thank you Barry, the spelling you refered to was of an intentionally
derogatory nature and was not worthy of A comment,so I chose not to dignify it with one :thumbsup:
Cheers

[multiweb]

Oh but it does for some believe me. I'm on a receiving end as a service provider and as a result of this kind of practices. It's turned the internet from a great tool to an unmanageable mess clogged by 80% of junk. I guess seeing the other side of the story is not obvious to the front end users as it's business as usual and as long everything is tickin' everybody's happy... But on the other side to keep it tickin' it has become increasingly more about security and filtering these days than doing any productive work most of the time. Email being the main vehicle. It has turned into a nightmare and you can pinpoint that to the mid 2000s, around 2005 I'd say when all those network spawned. That is my experience and some of my previous employers have been part of the problem so I was in the middle of it actually. I long lost my virginity, naivety and illusions about it all. :lol:

[iceman]

This thread wasn't intended as a debate about the merits of Facebook, and for those that don't use it or don't like it, I believe they've had their say.

This thread was intended for those people who ARE on Facebook, enjoy it and use it, and to prompt them to Like IceInSpace on Facebook.

Nothing more.

I'm sure there's many other sites out there to debate Facebook privacy or bag it, or intentionally mis-spell the name of it for cheap laughs, or to talk about internet privacy in general.

[astroron]

Mark, it looks like us Face Book users will go on happily using Face Book and enjoy the sites like iceinspace.
while you people at the "Coal Face" battle the Demons who would undermine us.
Cheers;)

[multiweb]

Damn right! You'll hear me screaming at the bottom :lol: