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Phil Hart
03-10-2010, 10:59 PM
this image is probably the greatest saga of my seventeen year astrophotography career. it's certainly the longest project in terms of number of nights and hours of exposure and processing time.

it started as an already hopelessly optimistic four part mosaic but three clear nights at SPSP in May and 20 hours exposure later i was off to a good start. but when i started processing, i realised i'd squeezed the overlap between the four frames down too much (and didn't shoot accurately enough) and had severe gradients across all LRGB frames. it was beyond my skill to process effectively (although marc pulled some rabbits out of hats with PixInsight to show the potential of my Luminance data which certainly helped me persevere :thumbsup:).

rather than giving up which would have been the wise course of action, i then tried to scrape together another four frames across the seams - turning a four frame mosaic into an eight frame very innefficient mess.

and then the weather turned to s^&t. :mad2: it took three mainly cloudy nights at heathcote in june, then another promising night that didn't deliver in july to scrape together another 10 hours but i was still missing one part. on the way to parkes a week later i camped in the barmah state forest and ran the ccd/laptop off battery power for the first time to get another 3.5 hours and complete a bare minimum set of LRGB frames to fix the mosaic.

when i finally found time to start trying to compile it all, the gradients were still horrendous and several processing attempts led to dead ends. on several occasions i thought that all the data would come to nothing more than an ugly mess and even more often thought that the 34 hours exposure time would have been better spent doing something (anything!) else.

however, the improved photomerge facility in photoshop cs5 is quite impressive. initially i tried a lot of fancy gradient masks to manually stitch this without getting close to a decent overall result. but with a little bit of stretching so it could 'see' enough in the images, photomerge was able to automatically form very decent panormas for each of the sets of L/R/G/B frames (but trying to stitch already combined RGB frames was still a lost cause).

so there's a few quirky colours going on as a result of photoshop trying to correct all the gradients but the end result is pleasing enough, although definitely not worth the amount that has been put into it!

here's the first published version, but i expect to be reprocessing this for years to come: Rho Ophiuchi Mosaic Saga (http://philhart.com/files/RhoOphTake3_rz.jpg)

Takahasi Epsilon 160 (530mm f3.3) & QHY9 CCD.
Seven nights, three locations, two states and 33.5 hours total exposure.

there's a lot of light scatter from antares that i can't do much more about but happy to hear comments on where i should direct efforts in the next processing attempt! does it look too red/too green or too blue to your eyes? (i've got questions for another day about G2V star calibration giving non-linear results).

so what i have learnt..

learn to crawl before trying to run a marathon with a mono CCD
don't skimp on overlap on mosaics (20% rather than 10%)
increase minimum altitude for capture from 30 to 40 degrees if at all possible
shoot RGB frames as high as possible
single row panoramas (eg 2*1 or 3*1) are much easier to blend than multi-row panoramas (eg 2*2 or greater)

and i try not to think about the fact that if i had a KAF-16803 sensor (and a scope to match) i could probably have waltzed this in with a single 5 hour frame!!

at least now i feel i can make an appearance at IISAC and not have to explain what happened to the four nights of imaging i did at SPSP back in May!

cheers
Phil

Paul Haese
03-10-2010, 11:36 PM
Superb rendering of this wonderful target Phil. Totally seamless to me on my monitor. Colour could be just a tad more saturated for my tastes but I really like this image overall. Some trials are worth the effort. Never stop daring, it is what makes great images.

Octane
04-10-2010, 01:36 AM
Phil,

Magical effort, that.

There's a few artifacts, but, I'm quite happy to overlook them for the sheer awesomeness of the region you've brought out.

May I suggest making a page for the image with a black background, so, the white of our browsers doesn't destroy our retinas, and, allows us to savour shadow detail a whole lot more?

Cheers.

H

ballaratdragons
04-10-2010, 02:14 AM
Looks pretty amazing to me :)

Yes Phil, it was worth all that effort and time :thumbsup:

Colour looks perfect to me on this laptop monitor.
I'd love to see it on a big CRT monitor.

rcheshire
04-10-2010, 06:27 AM
Superb. That is a beautiful part of the sky and well worth the effort.

strongmanmike
04-10-2010, 07:20 AM
I think it looks excellent and the good thing about this region is that it is hard to know what's a gradient and what isn't any way so we are all none the wiser :D :thumbsup:

Congratulations on the effort, a great saga!

You have done a few hours on this area of sky now huh? :eyepop:

Mike

multiweb
04-10-2010, 09:48 AM
Top shot Phil. A lot of dark lanes in there really well resolved and not often seen. :thumbsup:

sheeny
04-10-2010, 12:34 PM
That's stunning!

Al.

Phil Hart
04-10-2010, 10:21 PM
thanks paul.. if the image passed your critical eyes then i feel better about it already! :thumbsup: and good to know you think i've got room to bump up the saturation.

Phil Hart
04-10-2010, 10:24 PM
thanks Mike.. you are right.. i have *quite* a few hours on this area of sky and not much anywhere else for a long time!

but i took the approach a while ago that it's better to (try to) do one thing well rather than many things. exposure is king! this is a *slow* hobby at times though!!

Phil

Phil Hart
04-10-2010, 10:26 PM
thanks all.. was originally planning a nicer image presentation (like you suggested H.) but ran out time. will surely be coming back to this image one day..

Phil

h0ughy
04-10-2010, 10:46 PM
so have you bought Pixinsight yet Phil? nice work

marc4darkskies
04-10-2010, 11:19 PM
Given the tribulations, a very worthy and striking image Phil!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: It definitely has wow factor. I've never done a mosaic but I can extrapolate enough from some single frame processing nightmares of my own to understand your pain - I tip my hat to you!!!

I won't lie to you though - I can see the battle scars from your fight with gradients. Some green hues - esp in the upper half of the frame, undersaturated colour - esp around the ref nebs, and some missing colour IMO - there should be more yellows, reds & oranges in the vicinity of IC4605.

That said, it has a very natural look and I like the framing a lot. Look forward to seeing some tweaks ... when you have the stomach to processing it some more :D

Cheers, Marcus

Tom Davis
05-10-2010, 02:05 AM
Isn't that pretty! Great job!

Tom

Phil Hart
05-10-2010, 07:15 AM
Thanks Marcus.. that's great feedback. The green I definitely agree with. I've been pretty conservative with saturation and masked out a lot but probably still can't recover what's not there. Will tackle these head on if i do get the stomach to try again!

Hagar
05-10-2010, 12:11 PM
Very nice Phil and from where I sit well worth the trials and tribulations. Never tried a mosaic and might leave it on the back burner for a while yet. I can imagine the dificulty of combining a busy area such as this and can only commend your dedication to keep at it and produce such a lovely image.

Martin Pugh
05-10-2010, 02:41 PM
Well done Phil, very nice indeed. The image you posted is quite small, so I would certainly like to look over the fullsized image, nevertheless, it is a splendid image.

cheers
Martin

gregbradley
05-10-2010, 07:08 PM
A fabulous image Phil.

I have a 13 panel mosaic of the same area stored ready for some spare time to process. You did a great job.

Greg.

alexch
06-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Wow! Simply stunning. This is one of my favourite regions in the sky. Thanks for sharing.

Alex