No Women Policy in Pubs In Days Gone By.

[Suzy]

I was just about to post my response in a thread currently running titled, "you know you are old when.." But instead, I thought it may be interesting to start a new thread, as it didn't seem fair to hijack Ken's thread. Craig, I hope you don't mind me quoting you here - it's gold and warrants discussion.



Cheeky thing! :poke:
Sad but true however :rolleyes:
And I want answers :confuse3:


I remember regularly being at the Shamrock Pub in Fortitude Valley eating lunch all by my lonesome. :sadeyes: Occasionally I was joined by a work friend- an ex crim in his 50's with the nickname "have a chat" who smelt of typrewriter oil. :mad2: The bistro had a direct view of the males only public bar, it was like a tease saying "look & see what fun we're having, you 'aint coming in and where proud of it". No amount of french perfume, big hair, micro mini skirts, and red high heels ever worked in my favor at that place. You could have had the body of Elle, the face of Helena and the attitude of Angelina Jolie and none of that would have gotten you anywhere. Why? Because they were blokes and proud of it and enjoyed the control. Yep, there I sat all on my lonesome, day after day, week after week...:sadeyes:
Once I caught :scared2: future hubby with my brother in a public bar :cheers: in the city, but I couldn't go inside now could I. Instead blonde bombshell K and I were outted. :mad2: Spy-ing on them from a distance is only entertaining for so long, as you wonder what their laughing and talking about. "Boys night", he would say week after week, year after year. Boys night- what the hell was all that about anyway! :shrug:

Your loss is all I can say. :whistle:
If I were a male, and I had the choice of being surrounded with only males, or groups of gorgeous looking girls just waiting to be picked up, I know which I'd choose. :whistle: Shot yourselves in the foot didn't ya. :screwy:

That policy was going on until only 30 years ago. Can't believe how far we've come in such a short time.

So guys, why? What was going through your minds? Did you really want it to be that way? And girls what did you'll think of that policy? Finally, I may be able to get some answers...

[snowyskiesau]

I remember those bad old days. If the pub didn't have a saloon or ladies lounge, then the womenfolk had to stay in the car and hubby would bring them out a drink.

When I was old enough to drink, I was in the RAAF doing an electronics course and women were allowed in the base bar (canteen) but not alone (I don;t know if this was policy or for self protection). Women weren't allowed to join up in any technical job which would have made my training days much more interesting. :)

[Liz]

Yes, things have certainly changed for the better , and is hard to remember those days ... in fact, I cant. :help: Early dementia, yikes?? Perhaps we did just go to the ladies lounge instead. :drink:

Women can go just about anywhere now, including the mens loos, as long as you have a reliable lookout. :D

[CraigS]

Well Suzy;

This one's even more controversial than talking religion with Bert. Still … us intrepid types should be able to speak freely … even in the face of fearsome moderators, ready to pounce upon the slightest of slip-ups. :)

(Just kidding, guys).

So .. well … err… its like this … blokes have spent many years developing finely tuned language skills. Most of these were acquired going back to the days of youthful rock-chucking practices, which also assisted us in avoiding sisters and mothers, who spoke another language.

Scientists have investigated this phenomenon and can only theorise as to the source. Some believe its related to quantum level fluctuations arising in the 'sex drive' lobe of the male brain, which cause wild, erratic behaviour whilst in the presence of women. Others say it aids in the development of the mighty 'lame excuses' gland .. a vital centre, crucial to survival when caught in tricky situations.

The evidence for the latter theory lies in the massively developed glands in the brains of male politicians (only recently discovered), who regularly demonstrate mastery over these primitive areas and in the past, they did so by enacting legislation to eliminate the root source of the problem, so that society could proceed in an orderly, tidy manner.

Bless their little cotton socks.

But alas, it will always remain one of nature's mysteries … enshrouded in a haze which can only be cured by partaking in that which satisfies the needs of the 'ten-schooners-in-one-night cortex'.

Cheers & Rgds

[PCH]

An interesting point/thread Suzy :thumbsup:

In this day and age we're supposed to have recognised the alleged absurdity of thinking the sexes are different, whilst ignoring the fact that we are very different in so many of our needs and ways.

We used to have, as you point out Suzy, 'male only' public bars amongst other things 'male'. These were places where blokes could go to be in the company of blokes. What could be wrong with that ?

But we decided this was all sexist tripe to much applause from lady miners, soldiers, wrestlers etc. And the women got what they wanted, at the expense of many blokes who just wanted to go to the pub and have a drink in male company and talk about male things.

And now what do we have ...? (and shockingly - are allowed by law to have!).

We have women only health clubs, wealth clubs, funeral parlours and the list goes on. And I was horrified to hear that our illustrious PM (who shall be nameless as we're not allowed to talk politics) has allocated a Minister to look after Womens Affairs :eyepop: Jeepers how unfair is that?

I'm really surprised that women nowadays could possibly feel in any way disadvantaged, given the number of 'women only' services available to them. I can in all conscience say that I can't remember when I last saw a 'men only' anything - apart from the toilets that is :lol:

Edit:- .... and that theory has now been dispelled now that I've read Liz's post :help:

[multiweb]

Wow!... Are you guys for real? You used to have men only pubs in Oz? I thought the thread was a joke until I read further. :confused2: That is saaad....

Maybe it's a cultural thing. I noticed the same when I lived in England for a while that the blokes would go out on one end of the room and the girls in another. I'd be on the girl's side chatting to them for sure. What were they thinking? :P

[leon]

Well they were silly buggers weren't they Suzy.:shrug:

Males are a bit like that, why I do not know, :shrug: but look what they missed out on, ;) ;) gees we are stupid, the blokes I mean :screwy:
They could have chatted with a super chick. ;) ;) :D

Leon :thumbsup:

[ballaratdragons]

It was stupid, and I never understood why it was so.

But on the other side as Paul mention about 'Women Only':
Women wanted equality but it slid passed the half-way mark!

I personally know women who want everything equal, but still expect the man to open doors, etc. for them.

Girls and Woman can Join the Boy Scouts, but boys and Men cannot join Girl Guides.

Girls are allowed to play football (all codes) but boys are not allowed to play netball.

And on it goes.

Where's the equality :shrug: We still have a long way to go.

[Barrykgerdes]

I think girls should be banned from pubs and I also believe in equality so lets ban the blokes too.:lol::lol::eyepop::mad2:

Baz

[JethroB76]

Equality for everyone!!...except for when we don't want you around

[astroron]

The Boot was on the other foot also, in November 1971 just three days after landing in Australia A friend and I where asked to leave the "LOUNGE" of the Kedron Park Hotel on a Friday night because we where not accompanied by a female, yet there where tables with women sitting all around them and no males, to say the least we where amazed and confused:confused2::screwy:

[renormalised]

Couldn't do that now....my back wouldn't be able to handle the weight:P:P

Not that I'd be in the pubs much anyway....I've never drank all that much to begin with:) I can't even remember the last time I had a beer....that's how long it's been:)

[Barrykgerdes]

Think yourself lucky that you weren't asked to leave the country;)
Barry

[TrevorW]

"Girls are allowed to play football (all codes) but boys are not allowed to play netball."

I don't know about you Ken but I wouldn't be seen dead in a netball skirt

:lol:

[ballaratdragons]

:rofl:

[AstralTraveller]

I certainly know of blokes playing netball. I think some are even on this forum.

[avandonk]

Back when I was a young lad (1968) if I went to the pub for a drink by myself I went into the public bar with the good old boys.
If I took my girlfriend we both went to the ladies lounge and I stayed with her.
One night I found myself with eight 'girls' and just me in the ladies lounge at our table. The other husbands and boyfriends had gone to the bar to play pool. When they came back a few of them accused me of staying behind only to seduce their wives/girlfriends. I thought this was a great compliment as they thought I was capable of seducing seven women at the one time in front of my girlfriend! I was wrong they were just stupid.

I agree with you Suzy they were stupid. I far prefer the company of women. There is no bull about who has got the biggest willie. It is about real life and relationships and really meaningful stuff like what the colour of the loungroom walls should be.

All jokes aside many years ago I was at a dinner held by a member of parliament and there were quite a few feminists there. One 'heavy' feminist asked me what feminism meant to me. I told her with a straight face that it got the girls and women out of the kitchens and laundries into the pubs where I could interact with them.

The host spurted his beer and the maelstrom I started was only calmed down when Jocelyn Scutt asked me point blank with a serious stare 'what do you really mean Bert!'
I explained to her that I was all in favour of equality but let us all think carefully before we all overcorrect. Jocelyn then wrote a two page spread in "The Age" and basically wrote far more eloquently than myself what I was trying to say.

It is about respect not rules. Laws can only control criminal behaviour not ignorant attitudes.

There are far more stories but this one will do.

Bert

[CraigS]

I've seen a photo of a weight-lifter wearing shorts that someone reckoned was going to turn him gay in the 'Deep Space' Forum the other day !

PS: This was in response to AstralTraveller's post … before Bert's.

[astroron]

You people payed for me to come here, and I am very happy to have stayed for 39 years:D

[Suzy]

Thank you guys for keeping this thread going in a good, fun and lighthearted way that it was intended to be. We can enjoy it better this way, and let's face it, it just makes you want to laugh doesn't it. Some of the things you'll have mentioned, I had no idea existed, as well as some current ones. You'll have given some really great stories.

And guys please make sure you lock those toilet doors when Liz is around! :lol: :rofl:


Bert, that was a great story and I applaud your brilliant post. :bowdown: You also ended it well when you said that it does have a lot to do with respect.

[ballaratdragons]

39 years!

For just a loaf of Bread!

Wow Ron, you copped a stiff penalty ;)

:lol:

[marki]

Hahhhhh :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

And we gave them the right to vote ;):P :poke::scared3:
Mark

[DavidU]

We are ALL equal.....however......some are more equal than others.:lol:

[astroron]

Ken I could have copped a worse Penalty and stayed where I was:thumbsup:

[RobF]

Hmmm. It doesn't seem too long ago I was lamenting with a friend why we were still interested in astronomy - the majority of people turning up at star parties etc are unfortunately boring old farts like ourselves.

Now I'm seriously thinking that Astrofest and the like needs a "mens only viewing field". It seems it might just be possible that good looking ladies with "big hair, microminis and heels" may start circling the field looking for entry.....:D :eyepop:

Actually, on the other hand, it would probably be very poor safety-wise - all those distracted males tripping over cords and scopes.....:lol:
(Heck, I'm not going to get invited to anymore local astro meetings now am I....?)

[TrevorW]

Bring it on I say more power for the boys put the man back into man

a pub where we can drink, swear, smoke, oogle scantily glad women, then get carried home to sleep it off, too right a good aussie pub that would be a corker

[multiweb]

:eyepop: A stiletto heel through a power line is a garanteed afro hairdo! :cool3:

[Suzy]

:lol::lol::rofl:

Apparently the best way to get womens attention is to ignore them. :lol: Crikey did I just say that :question:

[DavidU]

Correct Suzy:thumbsup:

[jjjnettie]

Or there is the classic "treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen"

[ballaratdragons]

So, if women aren't allowed in pubs so it can be a 'Man's World' again,
who are we going to ogle that is scantilly clad?

Hmmmmm . . . yep, I've heard of those type of bars :lol: ;)

[Jen]

:lol::lol::lol: now that i would love to see :rofl: Ken and Trevor in netball skirts :rofl::rofl:

[Jen]

:lol::lol::lol: jen packs her high heels shoes for the next Snake Valley Camp just to see what happens :lol: and i will report back ;):P:D

[CraigS]

Going to need more than just fans to keep those mirrors cooled, fellas …

…Perhaps some extra heavy duty dew heaters to stop the fog build-up caused by heavy breathing as well .. can you get those for eyepieces ??
:)

PS: Maybe some 'dribble bibs' ?? .. don't want to cause short circuits, either.

[AstralTraveller]

Shortarse Jen discovers that astronomy is much much more rewarding when she can reach the eyepiece! :P:P:P

:scared3:


{Dave makes note to never go to Snake Valley.}

[Louwai]

Don't know how true it is, but have been told that the name of the game of Golf was originally derived from
G.O.L.F.
Gentlement Only Ladies Forbidden

Anyone know if that's true???

[AstralTraveller]

It wasn't just equal treatment in hotels that was a problem.

Thirty years ago a woman could be discriminated against when applying for a job. In NSW an anti-discrimination law was passed in 1979 (or was that 77?) but it wasn't until 1980 that a campaign was begun that confronted systematic discrimination in hiring employees. The campaign went on for some years but in the end AIS-BHP was found guilty of sexual discrimination. The 34 claimants were each awarded damages for lost wages and in some cases this amounted to several years wages. AIS-BHP appealed to the High Court on a grab-bag of 30+ grounds but the appeal was rejected. That win brought forward another 702 women who had been denied employment and they also won. In the end it cost the company about $9m in damages plus several more million in legal fees.

There are obviously some areas that are still male-dominated (and others that are female-dominated) but the situation is slowly changing. Certainly it would now be a very silly employer who left themselves open to charges of discrimination in the workplace.

[PCH]

Many things seem "silly" to employees. I guarantee the same things don't look half as silly to employers who have to abide by these sometimes daft rules.

On another note, when my poor old mum was hospitalised before she passed away recently, I was horrified one evening whilst visiting, to find that the only 'nurse' available to help her to the toilet was a great big bloke who looked like he would have been more at home digging trenches. It just wasn't on and I sent him packing - I don't care what they thought. In the end, another lady patient helped her. Some jobs just ARE for women, and some are for men imo. What's wrong with saying that?

[Suzy]

Paul, I agree with you. :)
If I were in that situation, I would want a female nurse.
When I was at the hospital a while back and I had to get a chest examination, the doctor was male and it was policy that a female nurse had to come into the room and overlook the procedure (I'd never experienced this before). It did make me feel more at ease. I know most people strive for equality, but as long as there are men and women on this planet, there will always be a fine line separating equality. Please don't send me hate mail, I am much too sensitive. :lol: :help:

[PeterM]

Interesting,

I see the Fernwood Gym car with "No Toms, Dicks or Harry's" advertising. Does this mean no blokes allowed? surely not in this day and age.

PeterM.

[GrahamL]

I want a health care proffesional on the job and don't care about
there gender !

I'm sorry your mum wasn't happy with a male Paul , was it mentioned in her file notes ?
My mum was in an ICU for a few weeks in recent years and my father and I were pretty much in shock the whole time , the nurse who was careing for her struck up a decent conversaton with my father over a week or so and eventually asked a couple of questions whos answers when passed up and delt with through the team probably saved her life.

[avandonk]

One of our senior admin officers was still single because if she had got married she would have been forced to resign! She and I used to go to pick up joints as a 'couple' in the early nineties as this kept away the superficial opportunists. We both stayed very good friends because our relationship was not intimate. The fact I was with her made me far more approachable for a single woman and vice versa. It was not the uncomfortable interaction of one on one as strangers but a group where there was no pressure but to have conversation rather than subtly implied coercion.

Bert

[AstralTraveller]

Bert,

This was happening in the 90s??? I know this happened in the public service in the 50s (not there but told by someone who was) but in the 70s there were plenty of married women in the public service. They even got 12 months (unpaid) maternity leave. Wherever this was going on was way way behind the times and also clearly in breach of anti-discrimination legestation.

[avandonk]

You are correct this happened to her many years earlier. She got so used to being her own master that a man was just a plaything not a husband. I only went out with her after my divorce.

Bert

[strongmanmike]

Funny I was watching james Bond the other night and my wife said "what a sexist show this is, women are treated as such sex objects" ..perhaps but she, like just about every other viewer, was totally oblivious to and fully accepting of the scenes depicting the plethora of ways all the male characters and extras were being murdered, tortured and brutalised..... it makes me laugh :lol:

Mike

[avandonk]

True Mike. How often has the expression 'be a man' meant something very unpleasant was about to be done to you. From going over the top from a nice safe trench to certain death or going to the church to get married.

Bert

[GTB_an_Owl]

some of you seem to have forgotten

a gentleman was not allowed into the ladies lounge unless accompanied by a lady

fair is fair (well almost)

geoff

[GTB_an_Owl]

well actually there were 4 areas of discrimination

public bar
saloon bar
lounge
beer garden

all with their own rules (standards)

geoff

[kinetic]

Gold, pure gold Bert...you and Brian (Miaplacidus)..two of a kind!

Steve

[el_draco]

My mum preferred male nurses any day of the week.... and I have to agree with it. Many female nurses are pretty brutal. I can say that, and get away with it, because my wife is an R.N. and agrees with that description.

As for pubs, beer and scantily dressed women.... All I can say is .... "Fosters Flop". Stay away from those places! :D

[Jen]

:lol::lol::lol::lol: lol Dave :rofl::rofl: