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Sneaky Pete
18-08-2010, 07:11 PM
How to hump a Hilux

{lurk mode off}

Hello Skygazers!!

My name is Peter and I have been lurking about the forum for some time now, maybe years. This stand-off-ish-ness has not been a function of shyness or a fear of not receiving a positive response. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is, it is a reflection of not being able to come to grips with the subject matter to any useful level of competence on my part. Saying "I went outside last night and looked up at a bunch of stars and it was really neat" lasts only about 6 seconds.

To explain further, living in inner city Melbourne and working all {insert appropriate diety here}'s given hours did not lend itself to good and consistent viewing. Although I have purchased "Astronomy 2008, 2009 and 2010" AND made some small use of them over the years, which was all well and good but it was not really "coming together" for me and it was a source of some frustration.

This state of affairs changed early this year when my beautiful wife and I found ourselves unexpectedly, blissfully, and gainfully UNEMPLOYED. This prompted us to pull the 'van out from storage and set off around Australia. I will not bore you with the details of our travels but suffice to say, we are well into our 13,000th km and still going. Actually, I write to you from the edge of the Gregory River near Gregory Downs in Outback Queensland. No light pollution here thank you very much, but also no power for that matter, thank {insert appropriate diety here} for solar cells.

An unexpected by-product of this travelling was consistently clear dark skys and time to look up. At some stage along the trip the sky started to make sense (a night visit to the Charleville Cosmos Centre in Qld helped!) and now each clear night has me wandering about the campsite/caravan park with my hand held 8x40 sporting binocculars searching with wonder and growing knowledge.

This was the critical mass of observations I needed to really be able to find my way around the sky. Mind you this odyssey of the sky has had its moments. While in a caravan park in Cairns with 4 storey flats on 2 sides, I found myself looking between two buildings getting my first clear look at Mercury (a planet I had never seen before) only to be challenged by the occupants of the flats as to why I was looking through their windows with binocculars? A common problem with you astronomers, I dare say.

Then there was the time in Mareeba, Qld when I was trying to sort out the location of Southern Pleiades (my current favourite) and Eta Carina, and was steadying my hand held "Bins" by putting my elbows on the hard tonneau cover of my ute. This caused an energetic inquiry as to why I was "humping" my car. An inspection the next day revealed a dent in the rear bumper bar and it was taken as proof positive of my amorous intentions towards the Hilux. I'm sure you all have similar stories to tell. I have attached a photo for your review.

But it is all about the night sky isn't it? The dancing planets at dusk, the eager wait for Jupiter to rise with Pisces. However, I must say it is disappointing that my star sign looks like a galactic sperm. I think I'd much rathered it look like a tea pot. My mother has all the good luck.

The big breakthough has been the identifying and naming of the first magnitude stars. It was just a short step to using them to navigate to other points of interest (like using Vega and Altair to find the double stars, alpha and beta, in Capricornus) and then to the consolations. As I sit here in my chair by the open fire in a deep river bed I have trees on 2 sides and Jupiter will not rise over them until 11.00pm est. So I started to identify what I could see. Vega was known to me and there it was down stream. Lyra was found, and then Deneb and Cygnus, which is a beautiful swan that had my wife fighting me for the Bins. But it didn't stop there. Altair gave us an eagle, Aquila. The highlight for me tonight was Delphinus, which just explodes in the eye pieces. It looks like nothing with the naked eye even with dark skys, but apply 8x40's to it and it is alive with colour and beauty.

At this point, between two trees, I saw Piscis Austrinus (now that is a fish) and then Grus not far off. Sod Jupiter! This was a terrific momentI just had to get the PC and tell you guys about my breakthrough, eventhough the post may not be sent until we hit Mount Isa.

Another thing that has struck me was the seasonal nature of the consolations. If I had of thought about it I would have realised that each season has its consolations but I didn't realise that they would
become so important to me. I miss Leo and Cancer and I cannot wait to view Orion with my new found appreciation of the sky. The Hunter will be like a new friend.

So as I say, I feel I have reached a crticial mass of knowledge and I am hopeful the Santa 'constellation' will bring me a telescope. I am happy with the "unstructured" search of the sky the Bins provides but I would like a closer AND STEADIER look afforded by a Dobsonian. I am with child to have a close look at Eta Carina and those clusters around Scorpius. I should point out at this point that I have looked through a few 'scopes so I have reasonable expectations on the view I will get. It is not the view it is the exploration and the understanding of the universe.

One good thing on the telescope-front, I live about 15 minutes from the Melbourne Bintel store, so I will give them a visit when we get home in December. Your advice on how I should package up a Dobsonian would be appreciated. It will be an 8 or 10 inch Dob depending on how big they are so leave that up to me, but what should I consider getting with it. I assume they package up a few lenses with it but what else should I consider? I know you are all shy of pushing things forward, quite right too, but some thoughts on (I don't know?) "dew covers", "bobs nuts", "suzy screws", "Hilux hotties" - that sort of thing.

I have enjoyed your company for years now and I hope to enjoy it even more now that I know a globular from an open cluster.


Peter

{lurk mode reengaged}

ps. btw a word to the wise. Coming to bed freezing cold after waiting for Jupiter to rise and saying to the child bride "I just saw Uranus" never gets old.........."I wonder if we will see Uranus tonight" ...
...ah never gets old.........

multiweb
18-08-2010, 07:43 PM
:lol: Great report Peter. Looking forward to more. :thumbsup:

astroron
18-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Great report Peter:thumbsup: I know what it is like away from the light pollution of the big cities living in a dark sky site,but also just done a 17000km trip to Perth and back:)
I hope we hear more of your travelers tales:thumbsup:

Suzy
18-08-2010, 08:02 PM
:lol::lol::lol: Perhaps I should change my name :question:, :help: :rofl::rofl:

Peter :welcome:
I giggled so much reading your post; it was incredibly entertaining :).
How lucky you are to be travelling this beautiful country of ours whilst looking up and enjoying the beauty of our universe. Your enthusiasm is infectious. :lol:

Liz
18-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Beautifully, and passionately written Pete!!:thumbsup:
Where are you now, back home??
You have set out on the ultimate and best path of visual Astronomy, good on you!!!
Give us ahoy at Townsville if still up here,
www.astronomy.abigblueskusky.com (http://www.astronomy.abigblueskusky.com)
Good luck when back home!! :)

renormalised
18-08-2010, 08:13 PM
Hi Peter, welcome to IIS:):)

That was a very entertaining story you wrote there:)

BTW....don't let Centrelink know you're gainfully unemployed, otherwise they'll be starting to ask too many questions about the "gainfully" part!!!:):P

sheeny
18-08-2010, 08:46 PM
G'Day Peter,

I enjoyed your story! It captures the wonder of discovery and learning beautifully!

As for what to get with the dob... my suggestions for your consideration are:


a telrad
a good laser collimator
a good eyepiece or two, like a Nagler (I would suggest in the low to medium power range - you'll use it much more than a high power EP:thumbsup:)
an adjustable observing chair (if you venture to a 16" you could skip this IMHO:P:lol:)
If the budget can withstand it, an Argo Navis!:thumbsup:

Looking forward to more reports!:)

Al.

Blue Skies
18-08-2010, 09:55 PM
OMG, here I was thinking that I really enjoy your turn of phrase and was going to encourage you to not to lurk and write some more when you pop this classic out - you have to be a Patrick O'Brian fan, they're the only ones I know that say things like that, for all love.

Star charts - without them you wont know where to point the dob. Invest in a good set or two and they'll be your good friends for decades (or until you wear them out.)

Hope to see you round a bit more! :hi:

DavidU
18-08-2010, 10:38 PM
What an awesome introductory post Pete.
My wife and I were both unemployed mid 09 and has been a very interesting journey indeed.
Welcome and keep the posts coming. BTW it will be an expensive exersize living close to Bintel LOL !

mbo
19-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Great yarn Pete ! , hope you make it back to Bintel without any charges being laid :lol:
... and you'll never guess what we found at the bookshop!!!

Screwdriverone
19-08-2010, 09:57 AM
Well that was entertaining!

Sort of makes you want to chuck it all in and head bush.

Thanks for the story Peter, had everything;

Travel, technology, binoculars, Auto-erotica, knowledge, passion, "consolations??" and Suzy Screws (my favourite...:lol:.!)

Good luck with the purchase, I recommend a 10" Dob, either a bintel one or a collapsible Skywatcher which are fantastic. Why 10" and not 12": size vs cost vs performance. Not much visual difference (IMO) between the 10 and the 12 but a bit easier on the back and the wallet.

Thanks for posting, don't be shy. Y'all come back now....y'hear????

I will leave you with this timeless quote when thinking about being caught out at the back of the car...............

"BUGGER" !?!

Cheers ;)

Chris

Ps. - Nice pic "Captain" Kirk :lol: ;)

cybereye
19-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Pete,

A wonderful report and I feel for your problems in regards to the binoculars and flats. My wife worries that neighbours might think I'm looking at them when I set the scope up in the backyard. As for Uranus, I never fail to get my wife's eyes rolling when I look up at the sky quizzically, turn to her and in an ever so ponderous voice ask "Does Uranus have rings?" You're right, it never gets old....

Cheers,
Mario

Sneaky Pete
25-08-2010, 11:38 PM
{lurk mode off}

Hi Stargazers.

Time for an update from your Hilux Hotties in the Outback.

Well we have made it to Mataranka about 113 km south of Katherine. We have been working our way up the east coast of the Northern Territory along the western edge of the Gulf of Carpentaria, mainly in the Limmen National Park (Proposed ?!?). Croc's, fish, butterflys by the dozens, monitor lizards swimming in clear springs, god awful roads through stunning waterways and hot hot days.

But it is all about the sky.

How come no one told me you could look at the moon? OK, I knew you could look at the moon, but I didn't know you could see something more than a plaster-of-paris canvas. It seems the secret according to Astronomy 2010 is to look at the features at the terminator! And what features! Capella & Isidorus, Archimedes, COPERNICUS my favourite!!

I tried to see Tycho to see if I heard Johann Strauss waltzes in the air, but alas that area is too bright to see any detail in the Bins. I know you guys use filters to turn the wattage down. How does that work on a Dob? Where do you put the filter and what sort will I need? The moon will start a waxing phase early in January 2011 and I want to be ready. There is so much to see!

My other recent project before the moon got too full AND before we got too far north (currently 15 deg S) I set myself to fin the South Celestial Pole. Now I can do the Boy Scout method of 4 long axis units of the Southern Cross back down along the axis and "dibs your dob" but from previous readings to do it properly you need you have to find the faint star Sigma Octans and adjust.

Anyway, at a free camp off the Barkly Highway just shy of the Barkly Homestead on a near perfect viewing night I took the Bins and my faithful companion (not the child bride) Astronomy 2010 and stepped from Crux to the Pointers to Triaangulum Australe (al previously known to me) then to virgin territory of Apus alpha, epsilon and eta to Octans delta, kappa and upsilon and finally to chi, sigma and tau.

Did I feel like a dog with two tails then or what?

Question; when you have Sigma Octans what do you do then? Say near enough for celestial work or do you just crib a bit toward Zeta? Or is there a bit of science to it?

I know I will not need to align a Dob but a friend has a shop bought Refractor on a GEM and he has no idea how to set it up. I was hoping to impress him with my new found insight.

On a less satisfactory note, I can report another barrier to good night viewing.

The atmosphere is generally considered to be a necessary evil by astronomers. This liberal thinking can not be applied to the light and smog pollution of big cities. However, out here this last point is not generally a problem. Well there is a new found problem. We spent a night at a free camp called Tomato Island on the Roper River and I was looking forward to seeing my new celestial friends as we had been chased inside by mosquitoes the night before, but this was not to be. You see this was a fishing camp forsooth!! In a fishing camp it is not only acceptable to have a generator but a necessity to run it 24 bloody 7 filling the still air with exhaust. Add a nearly full moon to the soup and I put the 8x40's away for the night. Goths! The lot of them, haven't they heard solar panels................ I can even tell them where to point them now.........

That's all for now, the moon is past full so happy gazing.


Pete, Suz, Rudy and Toothless (the humped Hilux)

Sneaky Pete
25-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Ah I'm brought by the lee! Fair broached too, completely dished.

Yes I'm an O'Brian fan. My wife bought me a set of all 20 and 3/16ths books for holiday reading years ago and it took me years to work through them.

On the Star charts, it seems that they are the sort of thing that it pays to get good quality items.

Sneaky Pete
25-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Now Al baby!

I've seen the chairs and I think you are right it is a must. Also as soon as I know what a telrad is I'll give it serious consideration.

Actually, I know something about collimation as I had one just before we left for this trip. It was a precaution after we worked out why my stomach was playing up (gluten intolerance). Anyway, I went in for the procedure after drinking stuff that restricted my movements to within 5 meters of the little boys room. They were very nice and I was "under" for only about 20 minutes and woke up breathing oxygen and with a bit of a greasy feeling.

I'm not sure what Dr Koppert would have done with a lazer in that 20 minutes but I'll write to him and find out. Thanks for the tip.

As for the Ep's and the Argo Navis, baby steps dude, baby steps.


Thank for your reply.

Screwdriverone
26-08-2010, 12:43 PM
Hey Pete,

With respect to the question of what to do once you can see Sigma Octans, check out my beginners guide to finding the SCP HERE (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/63-466-0-0-1-0.html) in the projects and articles section, has Pictures and everything!

Excellent article by the way.....;)

Cheers

Chris

Louwai
26-08-2010, 01:27 PM
Peter,
If it looks like rain (yeah I know) but if it does, don't camp beside the river around the cnr from the pub......
It's a popular camping spot, but if somebody spits on the ground, you'll be underwater before you can get out of your sleeping bag...:eyepop:

Cheers, B

Sneaky Pete
12-09-2010, 10:58 AM
Actually Bryan it did rain up stream the day we arrived!! About 20mm. It is the reason we got such a great spot next to the river, people were leaving. We left the legs up and the van on the ball and the Hilux in 4wd, just in case. The river level never moved for the time we were there. As I said to Suzie at the time "there is a big difference between rain early in the dry and late in the dry".

I assume you were thinking of the "event" that occured last April?? Scary.

Sneaky Pete
12-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Chris, this IS an excellent article. It was the one I was thinking of (and couldn't remember fully) when I started the project. It inspired me if you like.

We are in Darwin now, 12 deg S, and the SCP is below the trees over there, but I'll give your method a go when we head SW in a day or two.

P

SMan
21-09-2010, 11:54 PM
Great read Pete :thumbsup:

I started with binoculars (similarly enjoyed surfing the sky and following the constellations) and recently moved up to an 8" Bintel dobsonian. Had my first sight of Jupiter tonight and a nice closeup of the moon. Going from binoculars to an 8" is a big leap, so needless to say I'm still buzzing from the experience, particularly seeing Jupiter. In terms of the bits to get with it, I think Al's suggestion is pretty good, throw in a moon filter perhaps. If you can manage it, go for the 10".

Cheers,
Henryk.

lacad01
28-09-2010, 09:08 PM
Enjoyed reading your exploits Peter, very entertaining and making me as green as Shrek with envy :thumbsup: