Hayabusa spacecraft

[supernova1965]

A JAPANESE spacecraft the size of a basketball carrying material from an asteroid is set to touch down in Woomera in June.

Apparently this is set to happen today

[MikeyB]

It's actually due next Sunday - 13th June - as previously reported (see paragraph 5 of today's article):

Damaged probe set for Woomera touchdown (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/damaged-probe-set-for-woomera-touchdown/story-e6frea83-1225875930372)

[Spanrz]

Looks like there will be a good show next Sunday night for photographers.
Assuming the reentry path will be from the Western edge of WA?
Perth to Canarvon and Kalgoorlie should get a great show if that's the case.
That's if it's a direct East trajectory.

Could even come from Broome way?

[Blue Skies]

I was thinking of starting a thread about this myself as I'm looking for info on it. Other than it coming in at 10pm WST on the 13th I haven't heard anything else yet. Anyone got more info?

[mswhin63]

Site for the final approach - http://hayabusa.jaxa.jp/e/index.html

[Spanrz]

Does this look like it's headed from a top reentry over Woomera? Instead of a West to East trajectory?
Adelaide may get a good view? Unsure about Melbourne and Perth, but it looks good for the most Southern Cities.

[vespine]

12.2 km/s re-entry, peak deceleration of about 25 G and heating rates approximately 30 times those experienced by the Apollo spacecraft! It will land via parachute near Woomera.

Making the re-entry is 510 kilograms worth of space probe, i'm not sure the "basketball" size quoted above is accurate. Maybe that's what will be left at the end. :)

In any case, definitely sounds like something to look out for if you're in the area! Doesn't sound very likely we'll get a show from Melb but I'll be keeping my eye on the developments.

[Vartigy]

kalgoorlie ye say... mmm... SUNDAY SESH!!

Also, if any of you have mates working at olympic dam, tell them to be prepared for a shotover landing in the middle of their camp if the japs get their maths wrong. Could be a funny story.

[rogerg]

I haven't found anything to specifically say where the re-entry is coming from (what direction), has anyone?



I think the docments on the website linked give that impression only because of the way they're drawn to show it falling to earth, not that it's coming in on that angle - I don't see how something travelling at M25 could make a turn like indicated in the graphic. Also presumably due to earth's rotation and it travelling roughly in the plane of the solar system it's coming in on an E/W direction. :shrug:



Looks to me from my reading that 510 kg is the weight of the overall "fridge size" craft, while the bit making the re-entry is much smaller.

[wasyoungonce]

Lets hope it doesn't land downrange in Emu or Maralinga (http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/woomera-map.htm).

[Spanrz]

You could tell JAXA "Good luck with that"... hahaha

"You made it land there, You want it, you gotta go get it..."

[Kal]

The initial launch weight of the Hayabusa craft was 510kg

The Hayabusa capsule that is being returned to earth via parachute is 17kg, 40cm wide by 20cm high

[WadeH]

Weather forecast is not looking good for Perth. BTW has anyone found any charts etc for the re-entry route. WA is a big state in case no-one has noticed. Doesnt seem any mention of this anywhere, even on the Hayabusa home page?

[TrevorW]

A nifty little project and I bet you it didn't cost billions

[erick]

17kg? Get out there and catch it! :D


But I suspect the Border Protection cameras will beat you there! I hope its visa is in order!

[Vartigy]

ROFL. I can see the Customs guys now interogating the collectors.
"Do you have any foreign materials to declare before entering Australia? Soil, Plant life, alien life forms, any of the such?"

[Spanrz]

Don't forget "did you bring cash with you, worth over $10,000AUD"......?
Or even, JAXA being told by the Customs official that the spacecraft is now deemed ILLEGAL! "you visa is now cancelled, you are now an alien, you will be deported back home"......... LOL!

JAXA would cry! :lol:

[MikeyB]

From Australian Geographic: Asteroid probe to land in Australia (http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/asteroid-probe-to-land-in-australia.htm)

Sounds like Hayabusa has brought back the whole thing - I'd like to see that lot land!

Not what we were hoping to hear, if correct.

[frank farrell]

Well, if the weather clears on Sunday evening I may get a glimpse of a shiny something in the north to east sky. But, coz it is all top secret and hush hush, there wont be any photography allowed.
:D
:welcome:ITOKAWANS

[frank farrell]

Rogerg..... From NW to SE....

[mswhin63]

I read that it has already got clearance, and an instant plane ticket to Japan.

[daniela]

Custom papers have been filed! No joke.

I posted data in another thread (forum "Observations") may be the moderators can move it.

[fringe_dweller]

huh thats it lol - a major event like this!!? haha fffffffffffrrout what about sonic booms ect how far away from under flight path will it be visible? (if anything like meteors it would be some 250klm radius? how steep is descent? wow compare the the stuff that was available for stardust re-entry some years ago like http://reentry.arc.nasa.gov/viewingforum.html
this is pathetic

anyway heres a better webpage http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/enterp/missions/hayabusa/trj.shtml#new

[fringe_dweller]

path

[fringe_dweller]

sooo according to the text here - it doesnt get down to altitude of 100 klm till over/aligned with Glendambo? and is estimated to be about mag -5 at this point, at maximum brightness, when viewed in NW at about 15d above horizon? so some 100(s?) of klm to the NW of town of Glendambo still? - are they talking about just the small sample container, the fridge sized mother craft - is that long burned up before? how far apart will they be at this point? might be going for a drive :lol:, stayed at glendambo for total eclipse back in '02, neat place

[fringe_dweller]

well i guess its a no brainer to just drive up the highway (in NW direction) 1 or 200 klm and wait, making sure found a spot and hideout before they close highway EASY! WOOOHOOO now for weather edit: ooh and that looks sweet too! long weekend and all! whew

[Blue Skies]

:thanx: for all that, Fringe-dweller! I was just reading that it was expected to come in at quite a steep angle, so maybe I wont see anything from Perth after all.

Make sure you take a camera and get some pics for us!

[tonybarry]

JPL are setting up a live feed from their DC-8 aircraft (and other cameras) from 1345 UTC (11:45pm Sydney Time) - the details are here:-

http://airborne.seti.org/hayabusa/

Note to moderators:- This is a cross post to the other thread here (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=62123) - if this breaks forum rules then please advise / delete as you consider best.

Regards,
Tony B.

[OICURMT]

http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/topics/2010/image/hayabusa_obs/obs3_fig1.jpg

I think the track will be high enough as it goes over Onslow to see from Perth... my question would be, too high and early for atmospheric friction to heat it up?

[fringe_dweller]

alas wont be any pics from me Blue Skies, :(

wow thanks for great links/graphic there also!

OICURMT, it says it will be in earths shadow during that leg of journey on that site, as you saw... would it warm up enough around 500 klm up? wouldnt think so? ,steep descent tho? wouldnt expect dense enough atmosphere till about at least 150 - 120 klm altitude? would some other effect come into play, a slight enough glow from something else? wont be long i spose to find out

[OICURMT]

Getting close to time...

[tonybarry]

Yeah I'm watching too.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Hans Tucker]

What I would give to be on the NASA DC-8 flight. I see they have closed off the Stuart Highway....what are the odds the Probe will land near the highway let alone hit something.

Interesting bit in the paper: "Among the first people to see it on its return will be local Aboriginal elders, who will fly out in a helicopter to check it has not damaged any sites sacred to the local indigenous people."

[OICURMT]

ROFL.. Leave it to the Japanese to have a set of cartoon drawings going live as the craft descends...

http://drawr.net/show.php?id=1478887


BTW: Can't get the live feed :( keeps timing out (too busy?) [late edit: Quote from Nasa :“Please note that such downlinks have proven very difficult in past missions.”]

Found a stream that works (Control Rm): http://www.media-i.com/Hayabusa/index_ust.html

[Spanrz]

I was trying to get on the site an hour or so ago, but it must of crashed (pun), as I couldn't even get a website.

I'll try now.

EDIT: No good.....??

[Octane]

We won't see this from the eastern side of the country, will we?

H

[tonybarry]

I don't think so, Humayun, unless there is a Real Overshoot. Even the, it would probably be the folks in Tassie who get a look at it.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Octane]

That's a real pity.

I hope the guys out west get a good showing!

Thanks, Tony.

H

[torana68]

well I have the control room but what time is it expected to appear over SA?
(nearly 26000 viewers!)

[fringe_dweller]

yes typical live event feeds. probably favour some countries more than others? i found this site to work better on mt old system

http://www.media-i.com/Hayabusa/index_ust.html

well its clear here now, maybe will see it if it is visible while still being at high altitude lol

Roger i think its 11:20 or so ACT time, 11:50 your neck of the woods, ill have to check again

EDIT: maybe it will veer way off course lol?

[Spanrz]

Anyone have the direct link for the streaming vid?
All sites are timing out

EDIT : Ok thanks fringe........After 3 reloads on the site, I got a stream :D

EDIT x 2 : 29,998 viewers :D

[fringe_dweller]

anyone got audio with that link?

[tonybarry]

29,998 viewers now. 1 hr to go before expected re-entry. Could get to be a significant load at zero hour.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[OICURMT]

No audio

anyone else notice that the ISS will be overhead in about 20minutes?

http://www.heavens-above.com/orbitdisplay.aspx?icon=iss&width=300&height=300&satid=25544

[tonybarry]

No audio for me.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[fringe_dweller]

ta, yep none here

[OICURMT]

But since I don't understand Japanese....

[fringe_dweller]

ahhh!! ... so? :D doh!

[Spanrz]

Another site for video. There is no audio! I just figured that out.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%81%AF%E3%82%84%E3%81%B6%E3%81%9 5%E4%B8%AD%E7%B6%99

[OICURMT]

DC-8 is about 20 minutes from it's circular pattern area... maybe we'll get a feed then.

[OICURMT]

That guy in the maroon shirt looks nervous.. lol

ISS Overhead soon... http://www.heavens-above.com/orbitdisplay.aspx?icon=iss&width=300&height=300&satid=25544

[tonybarry]

I think an INMARSAT feed is around a dollar a second ... the JPL crew may wish to start the feed up at 11:45pm (when they said they would) to cut down on expenses :-)

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Spanrz]

http://www.media-i.com/Hayabusa/index_ust.html

Is behind by 5-7 minutes to

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%81%AF%E3%82%84%E3%81%B6%E3%81%9 5%E4%B8%AD%E7%B6%99

So the U-stream is a more accurate feed.

[Octane]

I've let a fellow photographer friend in Adelaide know to point his 5D Mark II out west at about 15-20 degrees above the horizon at the 24mm end of the lens.

Told him to take some long exposures. Should be a good show.

H

[fringe_dweller]

they are synced up for me Spanrz, but it is better bigger window cheers!

[tonybarry]

44776 feeds. This is getting big. And still twenty minutes or so to go.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Octane]

Yeah, when I joined, it was in the 20,000's. Awesome.

H

[fringe_dweller]

they are clapping furiously, guess that going off course is out the question now?

[fringe_dweller]

boy they are happy now eh - good separation? i thought that was some time agho?

[DavidU]

Just joined in to the event now.
Watching...........

[OICURMT]

DC8 feed now gives a disconnection error instead of a timed out... (argh.. back to timed out).

DC-8 in an oval flight pattern south of the area.

[Octane]

There's an awful lot of clapping going on.

H

[OICURMT]

"Applause just now may have been for final exchange of communications between #Hayabusa (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Hayabusa) and Earth, if I understand @Hayabusa_JAXA (http://twitter.com/Hayabusa_JAXA) correctly" (Person on Twitter, translation from Twitter)

I assume it has entered the ionosphere..

[tonybarry]

Control room's emptying out. Wonder if that means the real feed is next door?

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Spanrz]

It must be coming up in a few minutes, everyone is in the room.

EDIT : Huge round of applause, even a flower exchange

[tonybarry]

ICURMT, I wasn't able to get a DC-8 feed at all. Thanks for posting the info.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[OICURMT]

I'm getting frustrated with this 2010 technology.. lol

Can't seem to get in... keeps hanging on "Getting info"... :(

http://sgqtss.arc.nasa.gov:554/dc8-current.sdp

[Octane]

Did that guy just refuse that other guy's hand in a handshake?

H

[OICURMT]

computers are being turned off?


Looks like it is over to me .. :(

[torana68]

is it here yet? :)

[tonybarry]

Don't know.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Spanrz]

I'd say it is. It seems very quiet now than 10 minutes ago.

Going to watch skynews now. Be back soon

[OICURMT]

DC-8 is on it's way back...

3 hours of my life I'll never get back... lol

Now to wait for http://archive.nserc.und.edu/~kml/HayabusaRentryVideo.avi (http://archive.nserc.und.edu/%7Ekml/HayabusaRentryVideo.avi)

[tonybarry]

The feed that was working (from the control room) is now frozen. I think the show is over.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[Octane]

lol.

Epic fail.

H

[fringe_dweller]

lol nuthin to be seen from here :(

[torana68]

nah mines working but it is not interesting !

[OICURMT]

From http://airborne.seti.org/hayabusa/

Click here for post-event video (http://archive.nserc.und.edu/%7Ekml/HayabusaRentryVideo.avi) [around 13:55 - 15:00 UTC = 9:55 - 11:00 a.m. EDT]
Click here for post-landing video (http://www.arc.nasa.gov/) [expected around 16:00 - 17:00 UTC = 12:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. EDT]

[skeltz]

Looked great from sa coastline really bright couldnt miss it ,it lighted up the ocean.....very speccy!!:eyepop::thumbsup:

[OICURMT]

Jealousy :mad2:


:D

[torana68]

so where is it? should i check the back yard?

[tonybarry]

Thanks Rob. At least an IceInSpace person was able to report! NASA failed in that regard, and JAXA had no audio feed, and no real indication of what was going on.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[skeltz]

no sorry i got it on ebay now rofl!

[fringe_dweller]

seriously? :eyepop: i notice you are 500klm distant from adelaide, you on west coast? tell us more :thumbsup:

[torana68]

There is something on google news but the page deied now I have to start again , anybody? edit just a SMH beat up of old news

[skeltz]

no prob guys it was pretty bright you couldnt miss it here,lots of bright fireworks behind it as it reentered at a nearish horizontal arc across the nw sky ,,,pretty impessive i must say lasted oh..15 secs maybe:thumbsup:

[skeltz]

steaky bay west coast near pt lincold not far from pt augusta

[fringe_dweller]

wow!!! thanks Rob, cant wait for decent vid now

[skeltz]

i woul of had a heaps better view than adelaide people no worries there

[swannies1983]

A friend just north of Pt Augusta reported seeing it. Close to the horizon but quite bright.

[skeltz]

You are correct there it was very bright considering its size ,i was suprised..like i said it lite up the water...pretty impresive!

[Octane]

Jealous!

H

[robgreaves]

Is there any news on whether it landed properly on its 'chutes, or dug itself a small crater in the Woomera range?

[skeltz]

I am truly sorry.....cought...cought!:D

[fringe_dweller]

lol, we was thinking of compromise trip and driving only as far as Pt Augusta, .....ah well blew that chance ahahha :lol::help: cheers :thumbsup:

[fringe_dweller]

guess you were too far way to hear any sonic booms?, would of been big delay for you there, maybe many minutes later, and faint if at all

[skeltz]

no didnt hear walked inside after,bloody freezing here lol:)

[mikemasey]

Yes have just seen it come in,(I'm in Yulara,NT) very very bright and quick. Landing is not a term I would use! Exciting.

[Glenhuon]

Saw it from the beach just below Mars, for about 2 secs and then it hit the cloudbank. :( Came in really fast.

[Octane]

Here you go, everyone:

http://taktamur.posterous.com/hayabusa-re-entry-recorded-on-100613-live-uni

Click under the marker. WOW!

H

[fringe_dweller]

ok fair enough Rob, cold at woomera too, 2 d!

wow the japanese hayabusa website really played down the area/visibility of it, it was their crummy graphic that put me off going grrrrrr

[MikeyB]

Real or.... (text via Google Translate)?

Take the Sky "Hayabusa". 天の川（左）の中にある南十字星の上で消えた＝尾崎孝撮影 Milky Way (left) has gone on in the Southern Cross-shooting Ozaki Takashi (http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/20100613-OYT9I00808.htm)

[MikeyB]

The Planetary Society Blog:

Welcome home, Hayabusa (http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00002545/)

[fringe_dweller]

wow 30 seconds it was visible in vid yikes! :eyepop: great pics and links :thumbsup:

[Spanrz]

Some vids on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUxTSPN_bQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuvaV5LbbjY

EDIT: so many of the same vid on youtube....bugger!

Very quick, make a nice glow, but that was it.
Off to bed now.

[Blue Skies]

Couldn't see anything from Perth.:sadeyes:

[fringe_dweller]

WOAHHH check out the vid from plane - its up now

http://archive.nserc.und.edu/~kml/HayabusaRentryVideo.avi


can see little capsule going ahead waaay cool

[fringe_dweller]

screenshot

[Octane]

Argh, the video link keeps timing out. :cryface:

H

[Vartigy]

Something shook the house last night.
Was either the re-entry capsule... or another aftershock.

Wonder if the capsule landed in a spot where a pod of kangaroos were, and the event has now artificially evolved their state to a tribal stage. (Spore anyone?).

Heh, also great screenshot. Looks like the capsule burst open and the contents are being sprayed and burnt up in the night sky. Whoops.

[Hans Tucker]

Well the footage of the re-entry being shown on the news indicates it was an impressive comeback for the probe...similar to Skylab. It would be a shame if the capsule contains no sample from the Asteroid, which apprently is a high possibility.

[Tamtarn]

Not sure if this has been posted already.

NASA's video of re entry. You can see the capsule separate quite clearly.

Barb


http://parabolicarc.com/2010/06/13/video-hayabusa-spacecraft-reenters-atmosphere-australia/

[mswhin63]

Thanks for that Barb, with all the broken link and server congestion it is nice to see a quality video.

[rally]

And they found the capsule !
Another mission success.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1006/13hayabusaentry/

[WadeH]

Thanks Jackie(Blueskies), now I dont feel guilty for going to bed early.

Barb and David, great video, just as good as being there (almost).

[fringe_dweller]

heres a pic taken from 20klm north of pt augusta from this local news page,

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/hayabusa-lands-in-sa-outback/story-e6frea6u-1225879330915#

thats got to be maybe as much as 400klm distant amazing!, just like streaky bay and other great personal reports here that made my night - thanks again to those :)

The Hayabusa re-entry 20km north of Pt Augusta. Pic: Chris Handler

[star1961]

i was the same
wasnt sure what to expect but it was just way too cold to stay out there and my neighbours' stinky fires burning soon sent me back in
video footage looks pretty amazing though!
wish i'd realised earlier i would've gone to pt augusta for a better look!