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jase
20-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Hi All,

Have not produced an image with the "local" gear for well over five months. Feels like all I've done is capture data night after night with no result to show...especially considering the initial intent was to perform a quick test with the new camera. Alas, I got carried away and ended up with a long duration imaging project. When I first joined the IIS community, Glen (Glenc) provided a challenge if I could image an area across from Eta. For the life of me, I can't remember which direction from Eta was requested...so I hope this will suffice given its taken a few years to get this far! Apologies Glen! :)

So without further ado, I pleased to present Environs of the Hibiscus (http://cosmicphotos.com/gallery/image.php?fld_image_id=210&fld_album_id=9).
Warning - large resolutions may take time to load.

Wha?! the Hibiscus?! :screwy: Green thumb eh?

Scene description;
The southern sky in the constellations Crux and Carina is filled with an entourage of impressive deep sky delights. In the image presented above, from left to right is IC2944 the Running Chicken Nebula, NGC3576 at center followed by the large nebula complex of NGC3372 more commonly known as the Eta Carina Nebula. Numerous star clusters also scatter the field. Wide field panoramas such as this, Eta Carina takes on the appearance of a Hibiscus flower. Lush petals produced by blue oxygen atoms dampening the vibrancy of the red hydrogen alpha atoms, both of which are divided by dark rifts of dusty nebulosity. Eta Carina spans a massive 120x120 arc minutes across the sky and resides approximately 10,000 light years away. Toward the bottom of the image is the open star cluster IC 2602, also known as the Theta Carinae Cluster or Southern Pleiades. The cluster is at a distance of about 479 light-years away from Earth and can be easily seen with the naked eye.

Other rubbish people normally glaze over;
The presented image is a six panel straight RGB composite mosaic comprising of 4.5hrs RGB per panel (9x600s per channel). No luminance data was aquired, though I did create a synthetic lum to better match the Ha data. Talking Ha data, a culmination of 8 hours Ha data was also acquired on specific targets across the scene to provide more depth and detail. The Ha blend was not used extensively, but simply blended in between 30% to 40% opacity. Probably seems a waste to not push it to a higher percentage, but I've been down that complex path before with mosaics and its a real headache to get the right Ha+R blend across the panels. Given time, anything is possible but I simply wanted to get an image out there with the new set up and move on. A base RGB is relatively easy to deal with for mosaic work.

Overall, the data set could have been better. I collected considerably more data than I used, throwing away subs due to focuser problems. These have now been resolved so I expect the acquisition efficiency will again rise to an acceptable level. I do have another data set of a different target that was acquired before the focuser remedial activities so expect to trash it and start again or work with what I've got. I hope to share this soon.

I opted for a 10% overlap between panels which worked out well, though minor rotation was present. The mosaic plan is attached below for reference. With the 16803 chip, its possible to compromise on imaging area real estate if needed given its size. The mosaic plan was quite unique and probably requires a little explanation. The goal was to provide an arch of usual features across the top, IC2944, NGC3576 and NGC3372. To recenter the image, I used IC2602 (Southern Pleiades) as the focal point at the bottom. What appears to be a void to the left of IC2602 contains RCW58. The mosaic spans 10.5 x 7.1 degrees. Took a while to work out the most optimal framing, but I think it works even if a little tight in some areas.

Rusty on the mosaic processing skills so have dropped the ball on fundamental items. The colour matching is not seamless and due to the nature of the data set, I'm not inclined to address it. Just enjoy it for what it is. Usual processing tools were used - CCDStack, Registar and PS CS4. Though I did use DDP in MaximDL for the Ha blends. No major trickery. I think a few single frame images will get me back into the swing of things, but who knows...mosaics open up a world of possibilities providing a unique view time again.

The presented full size image has been reduced by 50% percent and heavily compressed to make it web friendly. Note: it is still 13Mb in size! Still worth the wait to have a swim around. Will leave the full resolution (11,167 x 7403) for prints.

Thanks for looking. Hope you enjoy it. :)

Cheers

Octane
20-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Now that's a mosaic.

Sublime, as always, Jase.

H

dugnsuz
20-05-2010, 03:29 PM
Amazing detail jase.
The full size high res is a magnum opus!
Doug

jase
20-05-2010, 03:55 PM
Thanks H. Nothing like testing one's patience with some mosaic work. What's happened to your STL? Time to get out there...;)



Cheers Doug. Bit of a shame I can't provide the 1:1 original. The highest I've provided online is actually 50% reduced! The details are similar in the original, just larger so more defined. Pleased you liked it. :)

Cheers

h0ughy
20-05-2010, 04:05 PM
will this be APODing itself anytime soon!! WOW

renormalised
20-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Fantastic mosaic, Jase. The effort put into producing such a great piccie has paid of well...excellent job:)

multiweb
20-05-2010, 04:17 PM
:prey2: Welcome back and what a come back. Awesome vista. It's going to take some time to peek around. Superb work . :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

jase
20-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Do you know something I don't David? ;) You've got better odds winning a chook raffle down the local given it wasn't take with a SBIG cam :lol: Ah I shouldn't be so prejudice :D Maybe I'll send it off. Thanks for the comments.



Thanks Carl. Slightly dedicated. Imaging the same field night after night says something though... I'm completely nuts :screwy::P



Thanks Marc... still in the game just very slow on the output. Back from OS now so can focus on a few things. The set up needs maintenance (redo pointing model etc) so will hopefully get that sorted soon, then onto more imaging projects. Thanks for your comments.

Cheers

iceman
20-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Welcome back Jase, I certainly missed these eye-popping images.

This is a stunning vista.

Beautiful.

jjjnettie
20-05-2010, 04:40 PM
A monumental effort!
Thanks for sharing it with us.

strongmanmike
20-05-2010, 05:01 PM
Some very schmick work there Jase :thumbsup:

Yes the big version is great to pan around and I did so for a while. Those with longer focal lengths might like to have a squizz around, there are a few interesting little tid bits that might be worth some time on at longer focal length..Freeeeeed? :D

Great job dude!...love the square field of view of each panel too, he, he!

Mike

desler
20-05-2010, 05:31 PM
Wow Jase, simply wow!


Darren

jase
20-05-2010, 05:40 PM
Cheers Mike. A wide field vista puts a few things into perspective. Never a dull image. Pleased you enjoyed it.



JJJ, thanks for taking the time to check it out and comment. Appreciated.



Cheers Mike! Indeed, the large version provides a map for some unusual targets not regularly imaged. Pleasing object pairings are possible for moderate focal lengths or as you say, some hardcore long focal length work. I don't normally provide an insight into the mosaic plan (can't give away all the secrets :D), but thought others may find it beneficial. Thanks for your comments.



Cheers Darren. Thanks for taking the time to check it out!

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Thanks All. :)

bert
20-05-2010, 05:47 PM
Stunning. Its always a nice surprise when you post one of your new images on iis.

Could I ask how long that took to process?

Brett

mill
20-05-2010, 06:18 PM
That is one (six ;) ) nice picture Jase and a :bowdown: for dedication :thumbsup:

TrevorW
20-05-2010, 07:19 PM
:eyepop:What can one say:jawdrop:

jase
20-05-2010, 07:20 PM
Thanks Brett. To offer a different perspective on typical targets is the challenge. Some hours here and a few hours there...I didn't work on it constantly so its difficult to put a figure on the quantity of processing time. I see it as a labour of love. :) I never process an image from start to finish in a single seating. Always come back to it with fresh eyes. The act of processing should be enjoyed and not rushed given this is where it all happens and your hard earned data comes alive. In retrospect, I probably spent a few hours alone just planning the execution of the mosaic!

Have to say that dealing with large format camera data is arduous. To stitch the six panels in CS4 resulting in the PSD file exceeding 2.5Gb. Big ass cameras require big ass systems to process the data.



Thanks Martin. Nothing ventured, nothing gained! ;)

Cheers


Cheers Trevor. No need to say anything, but pleased you made comment.;)

Octane
20-05-2010, 07:30 PM
Jase,

I can't stop viewing this image.

As for my STL, I'm waiting on filters which were part of the deal. :cryface:

H

leon
20-05-2010, 07:51 PM
Gees mate and I just folded, incredible stuff, well done indeed.

Leon

jase
20-05-2010, 07:55 PM
Bummer H. You know coloured cellophane over the instrument aperture held in place with an elastic-band is a cost effective alternative while you wait. No need for international orders...your local news agency will have it. ;):P Jokes aside, would probably help to get a few hours under your belt with no filters anyway. Look forward to seeing your work soon.



Thanks Leon. :) No more FSQ mate! You'll have withdrawal symptoms in about a month. ;) Thanks for checking it out. :thumbsup: All the best!

Cheers

Hagar
20-05-2010, 08:30 PM
What can I say that hasn't been already said. Fantasmagorickle. Now there is a new one.
My god what an image. What size is the chip on the camera? One day I will take a look at mosaics one day if I can ever master RGB.
Well done Mate a lovely detailed image.

gregbradley
20-05-2010, 09:21 PM
Wonderful image Jase. A real masterpiece.

Greg.

marc4darkskies
20-05-2010, 10:27 PM
A lovely image Jase. 20 some hours of data and lord knows how many hours of processing has given birth to a stunning vista :thumbsup::thumbsup: ... WELL DONE! Not sure why you wouldn't also do Lum (?) I guess it might not be worth the effort to get the additional detail since I can't imagine how you could ever effectively present all that detail on any medium short of printing it on a wall sized poster! Even the 50% version on my 24" Eizo at 1920x1200 needs several screen scolls!!

Cheers, Marcus

M54
20-05-2010, 10:45 PM
It feels like I'm swimming through the star field!!! Literally!!!:eyepop:

Sorry about all the exclamation marks but they're warranted.(!!!)

jase
21-05-2010, 12:24 AM
Thanks Doug. I'll work with any positive explanative!
The chip is the Kodak KAF-16803 (camera: Apogee U16M w/ D9 cooling package). Its seems to be the chip of choice by many given its improved sensitivity and imaging array size. RGB imaging is pretty straight forward. Easier than LRGB or HaRGB derivatives such as L+[Ha+R]GB. You know you've got your blending under control once you hit that one (I'm still working on it!). Like most things, you get out what you put in. Appreciate the comments. :)



Cheers Greg. Pleased you liked it.



Thanks Marcus. No Lum...yeah. What is it going to improve? I have 8 hours of Ha data to bring out the finer details of the main targets. The details in the Ha emission line data are far superior to any Lum for Ha rich objects. Besides if desired a synth lum can be generated from the RGB data set and used as needed. Mono image with filters provides endless possibilities. Straight RGB is as close as one can get to a true G2V balanced image given Lum and Ha data introduce a shift that needs to be compensated for. Not sure if I can present such images on the web in an effective manner, but it should look good on a print. Good to know you've got an EIZO monitor as well. Lovely piece of kit for the avid astro imager with its colour reproduction accuracy. Wouldn't be without one. Thanks again! :)



Thanks Molly. Pleased you enjoyed the dip! :)

Cheers

Peter Ward
21-05-2010, 06:12 AM
I have yet to use my 16803 chip with the little Taka....Some lovely eye candy there Jase. Nicely done :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bassnut
21-05-2010, 09:54 PM
Humungous effort Jase, mucho panning right there, and masterfull stitching. Slightly duotonic red/white colour (apart from the stars), cant wait till you zoom in (when you run out of ww feilds, shortly) :P :D :thumbsup: .

wysiwyg
22-05-2010, 12:51 AM
Jase,

Very nice indeed.
I'm yet to discover the art of creating mosaics myself.

Mark

jase
23-05-2010, 08:53 AM
Thanks Peter. 239arcmins square on the FSQ provides plenty of imaging area real-estate.



Cheers Fred. Run out of wide fields. :lol: Unless I mosaic the entire southern sky at 530mm, there is not chance of that happening - sorry to disappoint. That said variety is the spice of life, so will be sure to provide you with some long focal length work soon.

I did comprehend the duo tonal effect, but in the 1:1 original its not strong enough to worry about. I even acquired three hours of OIII data on Eta given its a strong OIII target to blend it, but found it dulled the impact of the Ha data. In retrospect, maybe if I make and OIII lum and OIII mapped colour it would have worked. Thanks for your comments.



Cheers Mark. You've got the gear for mosaics thats for sure. The FSQ with its flat wide field is a treat. 530mm FL is just enough to grasp subtle features in moderately sized targets. I did a paid processing job for a guy in the US which entailed a nine panel mosaic of the horse head region at 4876mm FL (24"RC). That was a hair raising exercise in comparison to a wide field vista with the FSQ. Give it a go, no harm in trying. Thanks again.

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Thanks all. Appreciate your comments and ongoing support. :)

Tom Davis
23-05-2010, 09:25 AM
Outstanding!! So wonderful to look at!

Tom

RB
23-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Magnificent Jase !
I'm panning around on the large version and I just can't believe my eyes.
It's like seeing these familiar objects in a fresh new way.

Stunning work.

:)

Paul Haese
23-05-2010, 10:15 PM
Processing and data is superb as per usual Jase. Nicely done.:thumbsup:

beren
25-05-2010, 10:38 PM
:thumbsup: Awesome image, another pearler Jase

danielsun
25-05-2010, 11:28 PM
Wow Jase!! That is a stunner with the lot!!!:thumbsup:


Cheers Daniel.

richardo
26-05-2010, 03:11 AM
Superb mosaic and area choice Jase!
Sublime processing as usual and great to see an image from you.. been a while!
This certainly makes up for your time away.
A feast just scrolling around all the different objects. There's even a bit of reflection neb in there for me.. thanks for that!

All the best
Rich

jase
27-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Thanks Tom. Pleased you liked it!



Cheers RB! If anything what fascinates me with this image is the spacial distances between the targets. Close, yet so far away. Thanks for your comments.



Thanks Paul! Not sure about the "as per usual" statement. I am human and make mistakes. ;) Pleased you liked it.



Thanks Beren. Much appreciated.



Thanks Daniel. Something in it for everyone!



Cheers Rich. Plenty of water under the bridge between posts. Quality over quantity philosophy. I'm happy to release a few solid images once a year which kind of works as multi-panel mosaics are time consuming, yet very rewarding projects. Mosaics are the pinnacle of imaging given you get resolution coupled with a wide field. Not copious amounts of reflection neb, but enough to keep you keen. ;) Thanks for checking out the image and making comment.

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Thanks all :D

RB
28-05-2010, 04:53 PM
That was my thought too Jase.

:)

DavidTrap
29-05-2010, 08:30 PM
Very impressive. I much prefer this image to another that I saw of part of this region today!

DT

RobF
30-05-2010, 12:28 AM
I've looked at this so many times and just realised I haven't paid homage

AWESOME Jase! :prey2:

Apart from the spectacle, I really enjoyed the better understanding this gives me of the area too as to proximity of these nebs.

Ric
30-05-2010, 03:13 AM
Wonderful work Jase, I got lost in that image for ages.

I also enjoy your gloss over section as well, It makes for a great read of how the image comes together and makes you appreciate even more the effort that has gone into its creation.

Cheers

jase
30-05-2010, 09:53 PM
Thanks Dave, Rob and Ric. Appreciate the kind words. :)

Martin Pugh
31-05-2010, 06:37 AM
Super effort Jase, and a great widefield image.

cheers
Martin

P.S Going to AIC this year?