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mental4astro
27-03-2010, 09:53 AM
Hi all,

Just starting out?

Got a new scope, binoculars or curious?

The last three months has seen the Monthly Observation Challenge start up again ( thanks Orestis!). The challenge offers a range of objects that will suit all types of experience levels and telescope sizes, some for even naked eye. It is not a competition, rather a list where the task is for individuals to have a go at pushing their observation skills, develop descriptive writing, and have a go at sketching. AND it works if your are in a city like Sydney (challenge is to actually see ONE star, :lol:), or out bush, the challenge is in yourself.

There is no right or wrong. You can even ask for help in finding the objects.

Want to know what to look for? Have a go at the CHALLENGE.

Like all aspects of amateur astronomy, it is upto you where you want to go with it!

Below are links to the last three. Most objects are still achieveable. You will surprise yourself. The Challenge is located in the 'Observational and Visual Astronomy' forum

March: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=58211

February: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=56241

January: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=55658

mental4astro
09-04-2010, 09:42 PM
Like to see a galaxy or two this month, see The April Challenge. There are several within the reach of small scopes. I've seen one of these in a 30mm finder! You'll need at least a chart to chase them down:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=59557

Observing Tips:

If you are looking for galaxies for the first time, you should be aware of what you will actually see: not the fantastic spiral giants seen in photos- instead, small, dim, difuse patches of light, looking something like a puff of smoke against a dark background.

When looking for them, use your lowest power first. Scan the area with your eye, looking for a small fuzzy patch. You will notice that this patch of light catches the corner of your eye, but when you focus on this patch, IT DISAPPEARS!

It hasn't, and it's no error on your part. It is a phenomenon of our eyes where the most light sensitive part of our eyes actually surrounds our "central focus". We use this 'trick' when viewing through scopes as nearly everything we see is dim. It is called 'Averted Vision': you look just to one side of the object in question, hold your vision steady and all of a sudden the brightest and sharpest image of the object appears in your eye.

It takes a little time to master- actually very quickly. And it makes all the difference when viewing the heavens.

Once you have acquired the object, you can increase the magnification. This sometimes helps with small galaxies and planetary nebulae, as it darkens the background and helps bring out the faint light.

Have a go!

And above all- be patient!

orestis
10-04-2010, 01:03 PM
Nice observing tips alex;).

I agree being patient is pretty much the most important thing when observing galaxies.

regards orestis:thumbsup:

mental4astro
08-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Hi all,

I missed posting for May's Challenge, but it is still very much achieveable, with nebulae on the menu:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=60695

June's is also up, with Globular Clusters as the main fair:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=62129

There are a couple of warriors left out of this month's challenge, namely Omega Centuri and 47 Tuc. The latter a more diffiucult to see from more northern latitudes at this time of year. Have a go at them. Omega is in the constellation Centaurus, and 47 Tuc in Tucana.

47 Tuc is very close to the Small Magellanic Cloud, a satellite galaxy to our Milky Way. Best seen with binoculars. There is also a second globular cluster near to these two puppies: NGC 362. It is often confused with being 47 Tuc. But when you identify each GC, you can be left in no doubt which is which! The kicker with these three objects is that they all orbit our Milky Way. Saddly for the SMC, it will be devoured by the Milky Way in the next two billion years, next saturday week.

Another thing about Omega Centuri and 47 Tuc is that they are the remnent cores of other galaxies that have too been devoured by our Milky Way. This is evidenced by their exceptional sizes and the composition of these systems. GC's are usually made up of the same age and type of stars- very old and lacking the heavier elements. Omega and 47 Tuc have much younger stars in their mix as well as heavier elements being present, showing that stellar evolution has taken place since the formation of these 'globular clusters', something that doesn't tend to happen in 'normal' GC's.

Happy viewing,

Mental.

psyche101
16-06-2010, 03:54 PM
Just caught onto the challenge thing, thanks for the threads mental. Thanks too for the Galaxy tips, I always have trouble spotting those.

mental4astro
07-08-2010, 10:17 AM
Hi all,

August presents a rare opportunity to see all seven planets in one night, within 6 hours if you like.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=64423

August's Observation Challenge gives details on where Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn can be seen in the western sky, and a link to a chart for Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune in the mid evening eastern sky.

Jupiter is easy to see from around 11pm in the east- it's the brightest 'star' in the sky in that direction- you can't miss it.

This month's challenge also has a few more naked eye targets to have a go at if you don't have a scope. The constellation Scorpio if you haven't seen it before, and the direction towards the centre of our Milky Way galaxy.

Have a squiz at what's on offer in the Challenge. It isn't a completion but a list of targets to have a go at if you are stuck on what is up in the sky to look at.

And please feel free to ask questions if you need a hand on viewing things, astro-physics, what-ever!

Cheers, and clear skies,

Mental.

psyche101
11-08-2010, 03:12 PM
Hiya Mental4Astro

Is there much chance we might get a glimpse of the Perseid meteor shower as well?

I am asking from the Gold Coast :)

mental4astro
11-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Here is a link to the Perseid shower, along with some others it mentions:

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/earthskys-meteor-shower-guide

The thing with 'meteor showers' is two fold:

1: the name given to the shower, such as Perseid or Leonid, is that they seem to radiate from a specific part of the sky. In your case, the constellation Perseus. Even though Perseus is a northern constellation, the shower can still be seen from our southern sky, with the apparent radiating point coming from the northern horizon.

2: They occur when the Earth passes through the rement trail of a comet's orbit. The more recent the passing of the comet, the more intense the shower is. This gives rise to the term 'meteor storm', when the hourly rate of meteors will rise from the typical 50 per hour, to 10,000's per hour.

There is one shower that is related directly to Halley's Comet. Buggered if I can't remember which one! Some one might remember. Anyway, when Edmund Halley predicted the return of this comet, the resulting shower that year was an almight meteor storm that made front page news in the newspapers of the time. This storm, along with the work that Sir Edmund Halley did with maths and comets, totally disproved the thought that meteors controlled weather on Earth. It is no mistake the term 'meteorology' as the name for weather studies. It is a remnent of the then belief.

I hope this helps.

Mental.

psyche101
12-08-2010, 09:27 AM
Huge help Mental, thank you very much for the link. I really appreciate you bringing these challenges as well. If I may ask one more, would binoculars be a better instrument than a scope for viewing a meteor shower due to the flexibility?

mental4astro
12-08-2010, 04:53 PM
Binoculars? Nope!

The most sophisticated gear to view with are in your head, your eyes!

Even though they 'radiate' from an apparent point, they may appear anywhere in the sky. Think of the rays of the sun. They stream out from a point. The meteors may appear anywhere along these 'rays'.

As consequence, using any type of optical aid will give you too narrow a field of view.

The only other way to help view is by using long exposure photography with a wide field lens. The advantage of this is that it will pickup meteors you may miss. The other thing this will do, it will aggregate the meteors to show their point of radiance.

The camera doesn't need to track either. Leaving the camera fixed will with time show star trails as Earth rotates.

The picture below shows circumpolar star trails (here the north pole, the south celestial pole doesn't have a prominent Pole Star), with a white meteor streak, and the red trail of a passing aircraft.

psyche101
12-08-2010, 05:11 PM
Ahh, I see, I was on the right track I think, just not enough :D I figured a scope would be to restricting, I just figured if one can catch one of those things in the eyepiece, it must be very impressive!
People thought meteors controlled the weather once huh! We have come a long way indeed!

Thank you again for the great advice mate. Much appreciated. I best get a nice hot green tea very early in the morning and have a chair outside facing North.

Going to have a decent shot at NGC 6744 too. I have not ever caught a Galaxy. I hope to glimpse this one.

gh0st452
13-08-2010, 12:57 PM
It would be awesome if it wasnt raining/cloudy atm :( lol

mental4astro
07-09-2010, 09:37 PM
Hi all,

This month's challenge is more an exercise in 'training your eyes' than a "shoot 'em up".

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=65405

The only way to train our eyes is to take time to 'see'. It is this experience that will allow an old dog's 50 year old eyes see a faint galaxy that a fresh set of 15 year old eyes can't, through the same scope.

One way to train up is by doing a sketch. Artistic ability is of no consequence. But when coupled with 'averted vision', it is a really powerful tool.

Averted vision refers to exploiting the most light sensitive region of our eyes- that area surrounding our central vision. It takes a little practice, but the sensitivity of this region of our eyes is remarkable. Shifting your eyes from an object and then, say, to half way across to the edge of the field of view, all of a sudden faint details become aparent. Look back at the object directly, and these features disappear.

The way to develop a sketch, start with some bright stars, marking their relative position, and then just continue the process.

The Challenge contains some suggestions on materials to use.

Have a go. Nothing to loose, and a universe to gain.

mental4astro
07-10-2010, 12:14 PM
Hi all,

October's Challenge follows on from the big response to September's, and a sketch posted by Orestis through his binoculars.

The range of targets has been selected to allow folks with only binoculars to also have a go at sketching a deep sky object. Sometimes a telescope can actually be too much. Some objects are just too big and faint. A telescope will show too narrow a field of view to see the entire object (and the bigger the scope, the narrower the field of view), and the higher magnification a scope provides, even at its lowest power, can render some objects invisible.

Binoculars are King in some cases!

There are a couple of tips that can help with using and sketching with binoculars:

1/ you can rest them on a post, or the edge of a car roof, anything that will help you hold them steady.

2/ some binos have a thread insert that will allow for the use of a photo-tripod adaptor that will permit the binos to be fixed onto a photo-tripod- "Look, mum, no hands..."

The targets on offer this month are not overly difficult to acquire. In fact, most if not all will be visible in binoculars too, though some will appear small. The galaxy NGC 253 might also be visible to you in a light polluted area if you have 50mm binoculars, and are away from strong flood lights. At a dark sky site, it will be visible in 25mm binos!

These targets also offer a range of detail that increases with the larger the scope you are using. All are pretty much obtainable in all scopes:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=66406

Have a go. It's not a contest. Just a way to engage the visual boys and girls.

Mental.

Terry B
07-10-2010, 12:42 PM
Clouds only.:mad2:

mental4astro
07-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Tch, so cynical, Terry, :rolleyes:, :P.

mental4astro
31-10-2010, 11:06 PM
Hi all,

The Observation and Visual forum has seen a resurgence in sketching during the last two months. This month's Challenge seeks to build on this, and has resulted in one extraordinary selection of targets:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=67565

From the two closest galaxies to our own (the Large and Small Magellanic clouds, LMC & SMC respectively, which are in the process of being consumed by the Milky Way), to the galactic discoveries by the Australian astronomer James Dunlop during the early 19'th century from Sydney. These range from naked eye targets to challenging telescopic targets. All gems of the Southern sky.

This month's Challenge has also spawned the materialisation of Paddy's dream to create an atlas of the Small and Large Magellanic clouds as a reasource tool for amateur astronomers. A magnificent and magnificently daunting task! Fantastic work, mate!

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=67632

Only have binoculars? Great! Many of these targets are not only easily attainable in binos, but the LMC & SMC are tailor made for binoculars as they are so damn big that they just won't fit in their entirety in the feild of view.

Not sure where to look at in the sky? The Beginners Talk forum home page has a few sticky threads with a great range of charts to help out.

Clear skies and few mozzies,

Mental.

mental4astro
03-11-2010, 08:49 AM
Hi all,

There is a thread running in the Observation and Visual Astronomy forum that talks about current observations of Comet Hartley, which is a featured target in this month's Challenge.

Comet Hartley is past its prime viewing as it is now receading into the inky depths of the solar system. This thread will give you an idea of what to look for as unless you have extraordinary eyesight, it is only visible using binoculars or a telesope:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=66877

Have a look at the later postings as they have the more recent visual descriptions.

Suzy
03-11-2010, 10:06 AM
Alexander, where would we be without your monthly challenges. You help to make astronomy fun, and I want to thank you for going to all the trouble month after month especially with the enthusiasm you give. And gosh you have been extra extra busy this month posting all the past challenges up for the beginners.

If you are a beginner (or anyone for that matter) taking on Alex's monthly challenges, please come along to the Observational Forum and tell us about your nights viewing, we would love to hear from you, so please don't be shy. Participate with us and you will see it's not only a lot of fun, but your observational skills will increase.

And if you do find Alexander's monthly challenges helpful, I am sure a comment of thanks wouldn't go astray. Positive feedback makes the job a lot more worthwhile. ;):)

Jeeps
03-11-2010, 01:46 PM
Thanks alex! I'll be searching for them

cheers

Sylvain
06-11-2010, 03:56 PM
Awesome dedication Alex, thumbs up :thumbsup:

WestAusChris
07-11-2010, 09:17 AM
I wondered what that was, was sitting outside the other night scanning the sky with my eyes and kept seeing them and thought they were clouds.

Thankyou for the tip Alex, now i will be outside looking for as may galaxies as i can find :)

mental4astro
30-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Hello again,

I've made the Challenge this month to cover both December and January this time around. I can see a few complications coming up that will make a separate January Challenge neigh impossible to compile:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=68833

This Challenge is divided into two parts. The first looks to celebrate Australia's first great, and one of the Southern Skies great astronomers, James Dunlop. The second fills out the two month span of this challenge by offering other gems and one distinct challenge that will test the skill of every single observer.

James Dunlop

Dunlop discovered over 600 objects in the Southern Sky from the observatory that was set up near Government House out in Parramatta in Sydney's west. The telescope he used was a 9" speculum mirror reflector, whose quality would be compareable to a contemporary 6" scope. This makes just about all his object discoveries within range of most amateur sized scopes!

Fellow IIS member, glenc, has done a lot of work on the life of James Dunlop and his astronomical work. Part of glenc's PhD involved James Dunlop! The selection of targets that are listed in this part of the challenge come from those discovered by James Dunlop. Glen has selected targets from open clusters, globular clusters to individual galaxies and through to a cluster of galaxies that numbers more than one dozen.

Part II, Gems of the summer sky, and one real dozzie!

This section contains a few targets that are easier to acquire than some of the ones listed in the first section.

I've also included one bugger that will test the quality of your scope, eyes, skill and quality of your dark sky site - the Horsehead Nebula.

The Horsey is one of the most distinct photographs of the astronomical world. Yet it is one of the most difficult objects to observe. Reputedly seen in a 6" scope, but most folk can struggle to see it in a 16" scope, and using filters! I'm hoping to see it this summer too for the first time!

I've also included a few tips and links to sites that will help with tracking down, seeing and making the most of your scope, eyes and time.

Have a go at the Challenge. It isn't a competition. Just a selection of targets to get you outside into the cool night air, discover new gems or reacquiant yourself with old fav's. Questions are welcome, as are target suggestions for the current Challenge or even for future Challenges. I most welcome the input.

Mental.

mental4astro
03-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Hi all,

Not sure what is up in the sky at this time of the year?

Like some ideas on targets to chase down?

Like to ask for some particular type of object to find in your scope?

Have a look at the monthly Observation Challenge!

This February's Challenge takes a naked eye look at one of the oldest constellation groupings and how they related to the seasons and eachother. Scope targets range from easy to see to one of the most difficult targets to see in the whole sky.

Naked eye targets

There are 88 official constellations in the sky. Other than those located deep in the Southern Sky whose origins are less than 400 years old, the majority have their origins in antiquity. And many of them have the same significance in many different ancient cultures.

The group of constellations surrounding and including Orion are amongst the oldest. For many ancient cultures, not only the "object" the constellation describes is important, but also the star's brightness and colour play important roles.

Scope targets

The targets suggested this month cover a wide variety of deep sky objects types, including nebula and their associated star clusters, a galaxy, open clusters, planetary nebulae, a globular cluster, and one of the oldest known super nova remnants whose age is precisely known.

This thread is also open to further target nominations too. Not just a specific object, but you are most welcome to ask for suggestions of other objects of the same type that are currently nominated. Some target too faint for your scope? Why not ask for a brighter one within reach of your scope!

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=71322

Mental.

mental4astro
16-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Hi all,

It's been a while since the monthly observing challenge had been prepared, so here's a new installment.

This month I'm hoping to do a joint effort with Suzy. My task has been to make a note on some of the observing "tricks" that are used to make the most of our gear. It doesn't matter if its just your eyeball, binos or a 40" monster dob, you will benefit from a little knowledge.

The few targets I've selected are just to give some pointers on where to aim your scope for some target practice with these tips. I'm hoping Suzy will add more to the mix with her own inimatable flair.

Here's a link to July's Obs' Challenge (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=874359#post874359) in the Observational and Visual forum.

If you would like some more targets, have a question, need some more pointers, even suggest your own targets or share an experience, please do.

Mental.

mental4astro
03-07-2013, 12:56 AM
Hi all,

Hmmm, damn, it's been a whole year since The Challenge was last issued. Well, here's a new one. This time we delve into the occult.

Dark nebulosity permeates the entire Universe. In fact, there is more matter not contained in stars than there actually is in the stars. Much of this is seen as ghostly shadows that obscure much our view of our home galaxy, the Milky Way. Most of this matter will never be used to form new stars and planets, just floating in interstellar space. But some will seed the formation of new stars.

Dark pillars are one from of dark nebulae. These shield our view of proto stars - stars that have not quite reached "maturity" to have their nuclear fire started. Sure, not strictly dark nebulae, dark pillars still obscure their background, so for the purposes of The Challenge, are part of "the occult".

You'll find the July 2013 Challenge here (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=109231). Naked eye, for binoculars, and for telescopes - you'll find something for each.

Mental.

BilliGoatsGruff
14-05-2015, 06:28 PM
Are these suitable for any year? Or only the ones stated?

barx1963
14-05-2015, 07:02 PM
Billi
Deep sky objects will always be visible at the same time of year. So these challenges will work well. The only drawback is that a small scope like your will struggle on the fainter objects, but definitely worthwhile having a go at the brighter ones.

Cheers

Malcolm

BilliGoatsGruff
14-05-2015, 07:04 PM
I'm only going to do the easy ones :)

mental4astro
23-05-2015, 09:37 AM
Thanks Mal!

Yes in deed, while I haven't created a new Challenge in some time, the ones that are posted are always current for the month each pertains to for each and every year. That was part of the reason why I started this thread in the Beginners Forum. I knew I wouldn't be able to create a new Challenge every month, but they would still be current for the month they were posted for.

Remember, The Challenge is NOT a competition! The Challenge is for yourself to work through. There are a range of objects that go from naked eye, some easy and some harder, through to objects that will suck your eyeballs out with their elusiveness. This also includes objects that are bright and eady to find, but even these present increasing levels of detail to spy out as aperture and observation experience increades.

In the time since my last Challenge I've seen new wonders and introduced to many others. I'll look to produce a new Challenge shortly.

If you have any questions about objects listed, suggestions, further objects, or anything at all, please ask.

Cheers,

Mental.