Atik to release its new range...

[bmitchell82]

having a look at atiks new range coming early '10 looks like they are putting up a good range prices are to be seen as soon as possible.

Atik 383L+ utilizing the kodak 8300 series sensor at 500 grams weighs no more than my 40d

http://www.atik-cameras.com/external/TheAtik383LP.pdf

although most of au and usa know very little about these camera's i think they arnt too bad at all. and priced to compleat should put up some good competition.

also in they have just released a OAG and slim line filter wheel.
http://www.atik-cameras.com/external/atikEFW2_OAG.pdf


also from the astrophotgraphy comp that they run there are some brilliant pictures being taken.

http://www.atik-instruments.com/webcomp/JTsimeis147.jpg
http://www.atik-instruments.com/webcomp/JTFlaming.jpg

is just some of them.

Just thought ide post some of these as i have seen alot of people canning these cameras. to my knowledge i don't know of anybody who has one over here yet so that makes 99% of us arm chair experts including myself but hey im open to new things

[mithrandir]

I've got a 16ic I use for a guide camera and was tossing up getting a 314L+ when a QHY8 showed up at a good price. One of the locals has a 314E.

I'm considering the new filter wheel with the 9x1.25" mounts. Wonder what the $AU price will be?

Jan Timmermans uses a 16ic to produce the images on http://www.thefirmament.nl (http://www.thefirmament.nl/)

[marki]

I think the only thing people were canning were the local prices not the quality of the camera. They simply were not competative when placed side by side with other brands.


mark

[bmitchell82]

Well considering that the new company that im forming with a few others is the new atik dealership for AU i can garentee that the prices you see will flog the pants off any pricing i have seen so far. As far as i know atik are trying to get into australia but havn't had the support from retailers.

Ill let you know what the prices for the new equipment is over this week.

[AlexN]

That could be changing though Mark.. With CCD Price wars as they have been for a few months now I wouldnt be surprised to see the Atik cameras come down in price to a point where they are competitive..

[marki]

Nor would I Alex and that can only be a good thing :). I have had a few bits and pieces from them over the years and they are well made.

Go Brenden ............ lets see, a 16 MP camera for lets say $1600.00, that way it's an easy $100 per MP, now that would knock my socks off :D.

Mark

[AlexN]

I have already pestered Brendan to see if there's a KAF-16803 Atik camera in the works...

[zipdrive]

Very interesting Brendan, it's now on my list of ccd cams to choose from... :thumbsup:

[TrevorW]

Add me too this list thanks Brendan would be interested too see pricing

Cheers

[pmrid]

A competitive ATIK dealer and after-sales service: now that that would be a nice change.
Peter

[Peter Ward]

FYI Kodak KAF16803 Engineering grade CCD's (sensor cost alone) start at $US 4100.00 each.

Class 2 and Class 1 sensors are decidely more expensive.

[AlexN]

I'd take an engineering grade CCD.. Darks and bias should essentially fix any flaws... :D

[bmitchell82]

If you would like any more information just PM me and i can go from there.

[AlexN]

Not to be a downer... But I think you'll have to watch what gets said in the forums about this... I'm pretty sure this will fall under "dealers advertising" which is not allowed... Just a thought...

[bmitchell82]

no problems. ill note that from here on in.

[Peter Ward]

? Atik have never even attempted to approach some dealers.

[bmitchell82]

Pm'ed you Peter

[GrampianStars]

Lee's all set up
http://www.andrewscom.com.au/site-content-section-10-atik.htm
and your going to blow him away :question:
Mmmm!

[multiweb]

Yes he has been dealing ATIK for well over 12 months now if I recall. Very earliest models. Before the RC-GSO came out.

[jennifers]

Hello I am the sales and marketing manager for Atik Cameras. I also manage all our dealer accounts in Europe and Australia.
I can tell you that there are only two Authorised Dealers is Australia and they are Andrew's Communications, www.andrewscom.com.au/ (http://www.andrewscom.com.au/) and The Astro Guy, http://www.theastroguy.com.au/

This is not an advertisement for Atik or either of these dealers - just a clarification that we have ONLY these 2 dealers and not anyone else who is claiming to be a new dealer of Atik in the AU. I think there is some confusion as to who sells our cameras in Australia.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Thanks!

[Dennis]

Hi Jennifer

Welcome to Ice In Space and thanks for stopping by to inform us of the Atik set up in Australia. They look a very interesting and competitive range of cameras.

Cheers

Dennis

PS – is there some deep, esoteric meaning behind the “Atik” name? A Norse god maybe?

[Omaroo]

Yes, thank you Jennifer. I'm seriously considering a 383L+ as soon as they hit the country, and was becoming somewhat confused by the true dealer situation. Thanks for clarifying! :thumbsup:

[MuntiNZ]

POW!!!!
Mate thats gotta hurt!!!! :lol::lol::lol:
Glad it wasnt me that got busted.
Hey jennifers is your last name saunders?
:lol:

[Bassnut]

Yes, Gaud thats a killer post, cant wait to see how this goes :). Geez, youd do your homework wouldnt you ? :P

[marki]

I think you will find Brendan is talking about the Astroguy folks. They both live in Perth ...... but are not the same person.

Mark

[AlexN]

Brendan sure was referring about Astroguy...

Prices I've been quoted from astroguy have been amazing compared to other stores... Andrews for one has been continuously lowering prices since Astroguy started up.. Skywatcher/William Optics and Atik Cameras....

[Omaroo]

He probably should have declared that with everyone up front then. What's their relationship, if any?

[jennifers]

Hello all!

Hi Dennis- thank you for your question- the name Atik comes from the Atik star in the constellation Perseus.
Perseus is name of the Portuguese company that makes Atik Cameras in conjuction with Artemis CCD.

I found this on a website below:
ATIK (Omicron Persei). At the end of one of the star-streams that make most of Perseus (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/per-p.html), just to the west of bright Zeta Persei (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/zetaper.html), lies seemingly modest Atik, Omicron Persei, the name apparently referring to a "shoulder" of the Pleiades (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/pleiades-p.html), which lies just to the south of the Hero's stars. Atik's fourth magnitude (3.83, really not all that faint) status is the result of considerable distance, direct measure giving 1475 light years (with a large uncertainty). The faintness is also caused by considerable dimming by interstellar dust in the Milky Way; a clear path would render Atik about a magnitude brighter. Atik's chief attribute is its duplicity. It is a spectroscopic binary (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/spectra.html#double) (one detected through Doppler shifts in a composite spectrum) with a very short period of 4.419171 days in which a hot class B (B1.5) giant with a temperature of 22,000 Kelvin mutually orbits another B star (this one a B3 dwarf 2.5 magnitudes fainter with a temperature of 18,600). Mutual tides distort the components into ellipsoidal shapes, which makes the binary appear to vary over the orbital period by a few hundredths of a magnitude. The giant is evolving with a dead or near-dead helium core, while the dwarf is a common hydrogen-fuser. The combined luminosity of the pair (with considerable allowance for ultraviolet light) comes in at 82,000 solar (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/sun.html), which given that the giant is 10 times the luminosity of the dwarf, leads to respective luminosities of 75,000 and 7500 solar. Combination of data yield masses of 17 and 8 solar. Each star rotates with an equatorial velocity greater than 85 kilometers per second. However, all is not well, since orbital analysis gives a bit of a different picture, with respective luminosities of "only" 12,300 and 2000 solar, lower masses of 10 and 7 solar, and radii of 7.6 and 4.0 solar (which with rotation speed gives rotation periods less than 4.5 and 2.4 days). The problem is most likely one of distance. Atik lies at the edge of the ability the Hipparcos satellite to produce good parallaxes. Factoring in the errors could make the star as close as 1000 light years, which would much narrow (but still not close) the gap between the two determinations. Atik is a source of X-rays that suggest gasses at two temperatures. A hot gas at 3 million Kelvin is probably produced when the winds of the two stars collide, while a much hotter temperature of 16 million may be from some kind of hot corona (odd, since the stars should not have the required magnetic fields). The giant is near the lower mass limit for which stars explode, while the dwarf will become a massive white dwarf like Sirius B. Nearby, only a second of arc away, is an eight magnitude possible companion, about which nothing is known. Atik's membership in the Perseus OB2 association of hot O and B stars (which is associated with the cluster IC 348 and which houses both Zeta and Xi Per (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/menkib.html)) has long been disputed, the consensus now being that the star is not a member of the troup. Written by Jim Kaler (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/). Return to STARS (http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/sowlist.html).


Also, I do not know if Brendan is in any way affiliated with The AstroGuy who is run by a man called Shane Ross.

PS- I might add I am very jealous of your dark skies in Australia. We have so many cloudy nights here...

ATB,

Jenn (not Saunders: )

[slippo74]

I don't really like this comment (nothing of personal, of course)... I'm sure Brendan has a logical explanation.

Cheers

[MuntiNZ]

Aw mate lighten up!!!!
go back and read post # 4 then post # 20 and tell me its not dam funny!! :P :lol: :lol:

here ya go I will save you finding them again .....

Originally Posted by bmitchell82
Well considering that the new company that im forming with a few others is the new atik dealership for AU i can garentee that the prices you see will flog the pants off any pricing i have seen so far. As far as i know atik are trying to get into australia but havn't had the support from retailers.

Ill let you know what the prices for the new equipment is over this week.


Originally Posted by jennifers
Hello I am the sales and marketing manager for Atik Cameras. I also manage all our dealer accounts in Europe and Australia.
I can tell you that there are only two Authorised Dealers is Australia and they are Andrew's Communications, www.andrewscom.com.au/ (http://www.andrewscom.com.au/) and The Astro Guy, http://www.theastroguy.com.au/

This is not an advertisement for Atik or either of these dealers - just a clarification that we have ONLY these 2 dealers and not anyone else who is claiming to be a new dealer of Atik in the AU. I think there is some confusion as to who sells our cameras in Australia.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Thanks!

[slippo74]

Yes mate, I did review the entire post before reply to your comment and guess what? I still don't like it :) It sounds to me unnecessary "flame" on something that we don't really know yet.

Cheers buddy

[Hagar]

Why not openly declare any connection with a retail company. Several on this site do it without any recriminations. eg Peter Ward (ATSCOPE), Gama (QHY Cameras), Starstuff, and a few others selling goods on here.
Whats the big beef. Better to be up front.

[AlexN]

Why not - because it could have been seen as a breach of the TOS agreement, advertising for a company you are affiliated with.. Brendan started a thread about Atik cameras, and he is affiliated with a company that sells Atik cameras.. I was talking to him less than 10 minutes ago regarding this, He is currently on holidays on the other side of the planet, and I'm sure he'll post in here and let everyone know whats happening as soon as he gets back on Thursday...

Cheers.
Alex.

[Omaroo]

Maybe a tad harsh Doug??? :P

[Peter Ward]

Que? Who is he? :lol:

[AlexN]

Your evil twin?

[MuntiNZ]

I heard these are pretty good cameras so its good that SOME ONE is selling them in Australia.

[mithrandir]

I have one Atik and am perfectly happy with it. In fact it is less stressful to use than my QHY8.

One of my friends has one too, a different model, and is equally happy.

I will be seriously tempted to swap the QHY8 for an Atik 383 when it becomes available.

[Hagar]

Sorry Peter totally unintentional one of my usual typos. Edit to repair done.

Are you a bit rough on top? :help::P

[Peter Ward]

No apology necessary....and the reality is I'm no stud muffin first thing in the morning, to be sure :lol:

Getting back to the topic...I've always been a little cautious when referring to any product I may be associated with. The line is pretty fuzzy, but not good form to cross it.

[Visionoz]

Methinks he will confirm an association/affiliation with "theastroguy" from the reading of Brendan's earliest posts ;)

Cheers
Bill

[AlexN]

True enough... Still, I just thought I'd let everyone know why Brendan wasn't replying, and make it clear that all the unfounded " oooh sprung " and "Burnt straight from the horses mouth" comments were premature and largely unnecessary.

Cheers Bill,
Alex.

[bmitchell82]

Holy hell... somebody isn't on for a few weeks and the cows are from one end of town to the other.

There are many different reasons why i havn't said anything more in this thread. I have now distanced myself from the astro guy as a retail business. I have personally messaged a few of the people to explain why, though i don't feel that i should be going into details in a public forum about events that had transpired.

There was a message that I had previously deleated from this thread for fear of crossing the boundary of TOS and this message contained the information that everybody is saying that i should have made public.

The fact is that it is common knowledge that Theo, and Peter are dealers for their respected products and i feel its not that they are promoting these products more than supporting people who purchase them. Its great to send a message and have it replyed to in a matter of a day and most of the time Less.

I hope this clears up the speculation, gossip ect ect.

Regards
Brendan

[MuntiNZ]

Mate you have to admit that you really put your foot in it big time!
First off you said you were going to be the Atik dealer for AU.
then you reckoned that Atik had no support from Aus dealers.
After that the lady from atik came in and posted that there are 2 Atik dealers in Aus all ready and you aren't any of them!!!
Sorry thats a burn mate!
But ease up its all in good fun and every one makes mistakes and every one likes to laff at every ones mistakes!!!!. :lol:

[Bassnut]

Well, I have to agree with Dazs off hand observation there, was just asking for a chuckle.

Im sure youve learnt a lot from the experience Brendan, and youll sort it all out. Dont think all this is a negative, its an unfortunate experience we all understand.