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iceman
10-12-2009, 07:01 AM
Check out SpaceWeather:
http://www.spaceweather.com/
and also these press reports:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/vaer/artikkel.php?artid=596359
http://www.altaposten.no/lokalt/nyheter/article316411.ece
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.6902336
Wow,what is it?
Some of the photos on the press reports show the before during and after.
It does look like something was launched.
PeterM
10-12-2009, 08:03 AM
Norway, December, Santa gone high tech?
PeterM.
jjjnettie
10-12-2009, 08:04 AM
It's aliens of course Mike LOLOL
Seriously though, I find it highly intriguing. I look forward to learning more about it.
Would have loved to have seen it first hand.
jjjnettie
10-12-2009, 08:26 AM
:lol: They'll be trying for the next 10 years to replicate that.
Wouldn't blame them though.
It's a puzzle you'd just HAVE to solve.
DavidU
10-12-2009, 09:02 AM
That's the weirdest thing I have seen !
A rocket won't do that as there is no smoke.
:eyepop:
multiweb
10-12-2009, 09:13 AM
J-P Metsavainio from Astroanarchy is located nearby. I reckon he'd know more. Might have even taken pictures of it. He's a member on CN and QHYCCD forums, maybe even in IIS.
Davros
10-12-2009, 09:14 AM
Guess who spent all night watching Dr Who then wakes up to read this. Its the Dalek invasion. :P:P:P:sadeyes:
Collimation looks good......:D
Amazing and beautiful ..... also look forward to hearing more :)
renormalised
10-12-2009, 10:19 AM
They think it's a malfunctioning ICBM launch that did this. That may be caused by ionisation of the exhaust plume of the rocket, if the rocket has gone into a spiralling, tumbling out of control crash. The magnetic fields in the Ionosphere would allow the plume to keep that shape for awhile, apart from helping to give it that structure.
Or, more than likely, it's Russia's version of HAARP
WarpSpider74
10-12-2009, 10:40 AM
Yeah, I thought H.A.A.R.P. when I saw those pics this morning.
Wow how cool is that, I would have loved to have seen that.
Looks like a worm hole out of Star Trek or Stargate.
renormalised
10-12-2009, 11:10 AM
Actually, I think it looks more like the opening of the time machine in Time Tunnel:D
Or maybe the Russian are trying to hypnotise everyone in Norway!!!:P:D
Now there's a thought Carl.
WarpSpider74
10-12-2009, 11:26 AM
Oh, and everyone be on the lookout for Triffids...
multiweb
10-12-2009, 11:50 AM
... or a mini-polar black hole created by another mishap at the C.E.R.N. machine? :confuse3:Someone just pressed the big red button on time. ;)
jjjnettie
10-12-2009, 12:00 PM
It's one of those big round swirly things from Red Dwarf. LOL
DavidU
10-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Here is some video footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMUhS-S0rGk
Gemini2544
10-12-2009, 02:09 PM
It looks like a laser projection on the clouds or mist.
leinad
10-12-2009, 02:19 PM
Holographic projection ?
It would have been more spectacular if fighter jets came screaming through the center being chased by flashing saucer shaped craft. :D
venus
10-12-2009, 02:56 PM
would have to have military laser beam shaping technology not something someone from a backyard would be able to create...
Baron von Richthofen
10-12-2009, 03:08 PM
I have enhanced a high resolution image of the object I say object because it has a solid center, so what is it
It came in from an Easterly direction just before sun rise
Possible a micro black hole and we are looking at the event horizon
:ship2:
Gallifreyboy
10-12-2009, 03:36 PM
I think Tiger Woods called in some friends and thats his Earth exit strategy.
DavidU
10-12-2009, 03:37 PM
The more I look at it the more it looks like a huge Laser show of some sort. It must be enormous.Russian military?
seanliddelow
10-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Spaceweather says it could be an Russian Inter-Continental-Ballistic-Missile (IBCM) from a Russian sub.
leinad
10-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Norwegian Rave Parties rock! :lol:
the more I look at it I think it's a massive spotlight pointing in the same direction; and some laser projection experiment against the skymist.
Stunt? diversion ? experiment?
renormalised
10-12-2009, 04:18 PM
Like I said earlier....HAARP.
Or at least the Russian version, thereof.
leinad
10-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Hmm.. the culprits perhaps.
http://e7.eiscat.se/
Growing reports that it was a missile fired from a Russian Typhoon class submarine,
possibly the RFS Dmitry Donskoy (TK-208).
This same submarine test fired SLBM's from the surface in the White Sea in late
2005.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_TK-208_Dmitri_Donskoi
Another missile launch from the same vessel took place on July 16th
of this year from the White Sea. That missile veered off course and blew up in mid flight.
There were also several failed tests from the same vessel in December 2008.
Apparently the Bulava missiles used do not have a very good track record -
See http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20091028/156626320.html and
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090911/156094081.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava
With Obama about to receive the Nobel Peace Prize tomorrow in Norway, whether
the launch was pure coincidence or whether it was Russian saber rattling will
undoubtedly keep the analysts busy.
For example, two nuclear powered Russian attack class submarines were patrolling
in international waters off the East Coast of the US in August, reminiscent of the
Cold War.
Recently two German vessels successfully cruised through the North-East passage
as the ice begins to thaw. The US declared the passage as international waters
and there has been talk over the possibility of a new Cold War developing
over what some commentators have described as possibly the "world's most
dangerous shortcut".
See http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/11/us-navy-arctic-roadmap-nov-2009.pdf
Speaking of things Russian and military, the MiG Corporation, formerly the
formerly the Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau, celebrated its 70th anniversary
on Tuesday.
jjjnettie
10-12-2009, 05:20 PM
Nettie's just sitting back, waiting for the conspiracy theorists to chime in.
leinad
10-12-2009, 05:23 PM
Project BlueBeam
:P
:lol::lol::lol:
It looks cool :)
seanliddelow
10-12-2009, 06:27 PM
I bet the news will say its a ufo:whistle:
spacezebra
10-12-2009, 06:30 PM
Its all very interesting!
Cheers Petra d.
Octane
10-12-2009, 06:30 PM
Go to news.com.au -- the morons are out in force.
Regards,
Humayun
jjjnettie
10-12-2009, 06:43 PM
Headlines on Yahoo,
UFO in Norway.
seanliddelow
10-12-2009, 06:50 PM
Thanks for this! Made my day:lol:
This is going to be annoying :rofl:
"But I know that the military have denied this explanation. So we could be looking at an entirely new natural phenomenon."
And just because the Russian militay deny anything doesnt make it a natural phenomenon :rolleyes:
And, acording to Stargate;) fans these things supposedly appear and disappear all the time, so why havent we seen a "wormhole" before?
seanliddelow
10-12-2009, 06:56 PM
I cant resist- "Its Tiger Woods jealous alien mistress arriving to laser all the others in a fit of jealous rage":lol:
Made my day as well!
It's also being linked to the "Black Hole Project" at the LHC. :rofl:
Too many bosons on the loose. :D
Regards, Rob
mswhin63
10-12-2009, 08:14 PM
Picture of the smoke plume from a Russian Sub - http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/09dec09/boostphase.jpg?PHPSESSID=5d5a48eko0 vpjiv5l1knoddtu1
Bet you the media will ignore it.
renormalised
10-12-2009, 08:29 PM
Just had a thought....remember the pic of the ICBM in the boost phase of its flight and the subsequent phenomenon....what if this was done deliberately. A test of some sort.
thunderchildobs
10-12-2009, 08:53 PM
The 21st Century version of crop circles.
Hi Carl,
By what one can read online about the development of the Bulava, the developers could probably only
wish the spectacular results of the failure were deliberate :)
The head of research for the program was once dismissed or quit (http://www.barentsobserver.com/index.php?id=4614895&xxforceredir=1&noredir=1) and then subsequently re-instated (http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090915/156136868.html).
This weapon has apparently failed at least seven times in twelve tests.
Undoubtedly systems such as the US Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS) or the older Defence Support Program
(DSP), which are used to provide an early warning of ballistic missile launches along with other US military assets
would have monitored the launch and subsequent failure very closely. With that in mind, there are probably personnel
at facilities such as at the Buckley Air Force Base in Colorado, or similar bases,monitoring the flight and who know exactly what path
the vehicle took.
Given how 'perfect' the spiral appears, perhaps it failed at very high altitudes, above the atmosphere and wind which
otherwise would have dissipated the plume.
BerrieK
10-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Nah.
The Hypno-toad from Futurama was getting ready for a night's observing (patch over one eye to preserve dark adaption, aaarh) when he was interrupted and became visible (okay, just his one uncivered eye became visible) to all Norwegens who had been chewing Khat recently imported from the Netherlands. Hence the one big swirly thingy in the sky.
kustard
10-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Cool stuff :D
Be interesting to hear what they finally make of it.
Inmykombi
10-12-2009, 10:01 PM
LOL.
I'll go with the huge round swirly things from Red Dwarf.... or perhaps the Hole in the Ozone layer has popped open for good......We better wear loads of 30 plus tomorrow....;)
DavidU
10-12-2009, 10:17 PM
It looks like it is an upper stage of a Chinese rocket launched earlier in the morning for polar orbit. As it spins liquid fuel is sprayed out (white spiral)that is lit by the morning sun, and the blue is the last of the burnt fuel. In the video you can see a distant smoke plume that is dissipating in the distance.
Certainly a spectacular sight.
Norway Cloud Spiral - Simulation of possible explanation. Video and
commentary here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4
The official news agency of Russia, ITAR-TASS has an official confirmation
from the Russian Defense Ministry that there was a third stage engine failure
during the launch of the Bulava missile from the nuclear submarine the Dmitry Donskoi
(spelling sometimes also Dmitri Donskoy)
Story here - http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14626373&PageNum=0
In another related story today, ITAR-TASS also reports today that the US and Russia have "coordinated the main
part of the text of a new agreement to replace the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START-1)".
START-1 was set to expire on 5 Dec "but currently remains in force indefinitely pending agreement
on a successor, since Russia and the United States failed to reach agreement on a new pact until the deadline."
The story goes on to report that Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev on March 17th 2009
"signalled that Russia would begin a “large- scale” rearmament and renewal of Russia’s nuclear arsenal. President Medvedev
accused NATO of pushing ahead with expansion near Russian borders and ordered that this rearmament commence in
2011 with increased army, naval, and nuclear capabilities."
Full text here - http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14624849&PageNum=0
So the accidental fireworks display seen over Norway could be viewed as a side-effect of a bigger show going on.
renormalised
11-12-2009, 01:37 AM
Gary, sounds like the old Cold War sabre rattling is back in business again, from what you've posted there. When will they ever learn!!!!
Sounds like they're trying to get the Bulava to be the counterpoint missile to the Trident and it's not working out so well for them. One wonders when the Americans and others will start developing new systems themselves.
renormalised
11-12-2009, 01:44 AM
I doubt it's a Chinese rocket, David. Too close to start with...that boost phase plume doesn't look more than a couple of hundred k's away, which would put it in the White Sea, off the Kola Peninsula. Which is where the Dmitry Donskoi is based (Arkhangel'sk). China is another 6000 miles away.
Analog6
11-12-2009, 05:58 AM
I liked the reports that said it was a wormhole and the aliens are coming! Great effect though.
Vartigy
11-12-2009, 11:06 AM
Didn't Obama fly into Norway that night?
Or possibly one of the many airliners that did.
Looks like a high altitude dump of toilet waste, when in fact the toilet got blocked up so they just ejected the whole thing.
As it came spiralling back to earth, the litres and litres of waste spiraled out, freezing as it fell through the atmosphere (extreme cold), and the blue streak landing to earth could only be the toilet burning up as it re-enters.
renormalised
11-12-2009, 11:21 AM
No, planes don't fly high enough for that. That blue streak was the bottle of toilet duck that accidentally fell out of the plane at the same time the toilet was dumped:P:P:D:D
jjjnettie
11-12-2009, 11:28 AM
No-one thought of North Korea did they.
They've been stretching their muscles of late too.
The capability of their long range missiles scares the crap out of me.
(yes, I know it was the Russians that caused this particular episode)
renormalised
11-12-2009, 12:03 PM
Their missiles don't have the throw weight yet to carry a nuke. Even if they did, no matter how wacky they may appear to be, they're not that stupid that they'd risk total annihilation by being "brave" enough to launch one.
Even if they felt threatened (like they always say they are).
Hi Carl,
In 1999, the United States passed into public law what is called the "National
Missile Defence Act". In a nutshell it states that the policy of the United States is
to deploy a missile defense system capable of defending the United States
against a limited ballistic missile attack as soon as technologically possible.
This system is known as the "Ballistic Missile Defence System" (BDMS)
and is a successor to the Reagan era "Strategic Defence Initiative" (SDI), better
known as the "Star Wars program".
What Bulava is mostly about is a delivery system for the Russians that will
circumvent the BDMS defence shield. It attempts to do this in a number
of ways, including by providing shielding and hardening against a variety
of countermeasures including laser strike, EM pulse and nuclear blast
as well as adds randomness to its flight path by pulsing its engines
in the final stages of flight before delivering MIRV warheads to the targets.
Each of the six to ten MIRV's it delivers provide a yield of up to 150KT each
and each Typoon-or newer Borey class submarines can carry up to sixteen missiles.
Given the Little Boy bomb used on Hiroshima had a yield of about 15kT,
then one submarine can potentially deliver the equivalent of about 1,600
Hiroshima "blasts".
In 2004, then president Putin claimed that Bulava warheads would be able to
breach any new ballistic missile defence system.
One potential point for future tensions is the Arctic region. In September this
year, two German cargo ships carrying construction materials made history
by traveling between Korea and the Netherlands via the Arctic route
as a result of the thawing ice. This cuts thousands of miles off the trip.
See New York Times article here -
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/science/earth/11passage.html
On 10th November this year, the Vice Chief of Naval Operations for the
US Department of the Navy issued a memorandum called the "Navy Arctic
Roadmap". In a nutshell, it states that since the Earth's climate is changing
and that the Arctic ice is thawing, as a result this new Arctic sea route is of
strategic and economic importance to the United States and that they need
to put in place key objectives now.
As the roadmap states, this includes the goal to "project a sovereign United
States maritime presence" and to "cooperate with other Arctic nations to address
likely issues from increased shipping".
The roadmap acknowledges that "While the United States has stable relationships
with other Arctic nations, the changing environment and competition for resources
may contribute to increasing tension, or, conversely, provide opportunities for
cooperative solutions".
The Roadmap document, which is unclassified, can be found here -
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/11/us-navy-arctic-roadmap-nov-2009.pdf
In 2001, Russia made a submission to the UN to extend the continental shelf of
Russia, that is the sea-floor, to extend into large parts of the Arctic.
The Russians have stated that the new Arctic sea-route will hopefully bring them
greater economic benefits as international carriers begin to use it.
renormalised
11-12-2009, 01:55 PM
Like I said Gary...when will they ever learn.
bloodhound31
11-12-2009, 02:39 PM
Stargate SG1 is a great show. Sam, Jack, Tealc and Daniel are household names around here...hey Sam, do you think you could blow up a sun for us?
According to my calculations...yes.
Vartigy
11-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Rodney: Hey!... She only did it because she stole my work!
hotspur
11-12-2009, 09:13 PM
So what was the conclusion re these strange lights?
I heard a bit about them from others at work.( i had'nt seen the news,and every time something strange happins in the sky everyone asks me!,do others get this)
Is there any photos or footage on the net,from what i can gather from
this thread,it all 'poo-poo',there must be a bit more to it.
look forward to seeing some pics
Chris
JethroB76
11-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Look on the first page of the thread..
lesbehrens
11-12-2009, 09:46 PM
very different
Hi Guys
Has anyone considered the possibility it was some sort of laser light show? Look at the light as it narrows towards the mountain. A possible source? I'm not a conspiracy nut but I suspect a simple explanation. If you've ever seen a laser light show then I'd suspect you'd see this as within the scope of possibilities
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