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wavelandscott
25-11-2009, 12:17 PM
In the USA voting is not mandatory and in off year elections voter turn out can sometimes be low. This past November 8th my town held elections for a number of local offices including for the position of School Board (a group that decides things for the local school district...contracts, curriculum, policies etc.)
On a bit of a lark and because I was not particularly well versed in the folks running for office I exercised my right to vote by submitting a "write in" vote...choosing neither of the folks running (a perfectly legal thing to do)...
To make a long story not quite as long, this local election took on a Bush v Gore quality when the results were tallied...and it was declared a tie.
My vote (or lack of) meant that our town has had to re-run the election for school board (at some expense)...
Sure there were lots of folks who did not vote that could have influenced the outcome but I've felt a bit guilty about what happened the first time around because of my vote and so I took the opportunity to become a bit more informed and vote again during the "do over".
I just wanted to give everyone a reminder that sometimes every vote does count.
Now before this gets out of hand, as lately many threads for some reason have (I guess it is the summer heat)....So I say first off Moderators feel free to lock as needed.
renormalised
25-11-2009, 12:22 PM
No...this shouldn't be locked. That's half of the problem in the US. You get stuff all people voting in most elections. It's the reason why jokers like Bush get into power...and it makes it so much easier to rig elections.
Here in Oz, as you know, it's the opposite. Yes, everyone votes, but how many people really know who they're voting for, or even care for that matter. Or, should they even vote for them at all, given the choices we have.
TrevorW
25-11-2009, 12:23 PM
As in Australia maybe if voting was compulsory (even donkey votes) then things may have been different
Until recently I didn't vote in local govt elections but when a candidate with no vested interest who I knew personally nominated I voted and she was elected.
michaellxv
25-11-2009, 02:07 PM
I've often wished there was an option to vote for 'none of the above'. I wonder what the result would be if we could.
avandonk
25-11-2009, 02:31 PM
It is against the law to advise you how to vote. You must attend as a registered voter and then what you do with your ballot papers is up to you.
Do not complain when nutters get voted in and you did not bother to change the vote by your participation.
Our system is a lot better than some others. At least in Australia you can run without fear of being killed by your opponents or their minions.
Bert
OzRob
25-11-2009, 03:12 PM
You can!! Just put a big cross on the whole ballet pager and put it in the box. Either that or do what I have done in the past and put another name on the paper, draw a box and tick it. I think I votes for Bart Simpson.....:D
I am fairly sure that the law states that you have to attend a polling station on voting day. There is no onus on you to lodge a valid vote.
michaellxv
25-11-2009, 03:17 PM
This would be an informal vote that doesn't count, but does get your name checked off the role.
I would like a vote which counts that says I don't like any of the candidates.
i wonder what the outcome of the election should be if the majority of people voted for "None of the Above" in each seat...
michaellxv
25-11-2009, 03:59 PM
It would require a fresh election. The question would be whether the same candidates should be eligable to nominate again. They probably should to keep things democratic. It would be up to new ones to step forward.
fringe_dweller
25-11-2009, 04:05 PM
i just saw the last half of a movie kinda based on said premise, on foxtel recently, with *ugh* kevin costner starring, yep i am eternally grateful we have compulsory voting, that showed great insight when instigated, we are still at the mercy of the donkey voters and their ilk . ermm good bless the swinging voters :D
Compulsory or not voting to me is a privilege not to be missed.
It's our only chance to tell the blighters to be honest and give them a wake up call.
Allan_L
25-11-2009, 04:36 PM
:thumbsup:
Anyone who knowingly casts an informal vote automatically looses his credibility to complain about the elected government.
But I doubt if half the voting public understand how our complicated voting system works. Preferences I mean. But we are so easy going, most don't realy care... until the media runs a beat up!
renormalised
25-11-2009, 06:06 PM
For now:P:P:D:D
Who knows what they'll do if pushed far enough:eyepop::P:D
Terry B
25-11-2009, 10:10 PM
Or if you allegedly sleep with someone elses wife.:P
OzRob
25-11-2009, 10:23 PM
I don't understand your logic. If you voted for 'none of the above' you are stating that you either don't like any of the candidates or don't care in the same way as casting an informal vote does.
michaellxv
25-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Not at all. For a candidate to win they must get 50% +1 of the formal votes. Informal votes simply do not count.
I would like the option of voting 'none of the above' such that if it got the 50% +1 then the electorate has decided that none of the candidates were suitable.
This is very different from an informl vote which I would never do.
OzRob
25-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Well, in that case it will be continual re-election campaigning...lol
michaellxv
25-11-2009, 11:24 PM
It would almost be unAustralian not too :rofl:which is why it will never happen.
Chillie
26-11-2009, 12:00 AM
:thumbsup: I fully agree with your statement Allan.:thumbsup:
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