LHC restart tomorrow??

[jjjnettie]

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/19/large-hadron-collider-could-re-start-this-weekend/#more-45589

[AstralTraveller]

I reckon that places the start within the month. :)

[jjjnettie]

This leaves precious little time for the doom sayers to get a word in.
"The world will end tomorrow!"
Enjoy your last night peoples.

[Nesti]

LOL...but which group gets to brag that they were right??? :lol:

[renormalised]

That would be impossible, according to Einstein, since speech can't travel faster than light:P:P:D:D

Unless, of course, you're Capt Picard..."Warp 9, Mr Data....Engage":P:P:D:D

[DJDD]

:rofl:

speaking of which, I am off to see 2012 tonight. I will be having a couple of drinks beforehand, which should help. :lol:

[starlooker]

Let's hope a bird doesn't drop another piece of bread into the LHC.

[Waxing_Gibbous]

If I "Flashforward", hopefully I won't be in the loo and there better be a Lambourghini involved.

[Nesti]

After we all die dude...after! :D:P

[Nesti]

LOL LOL LOL

Hey, I just realized, Schrodinger's Cat just flipped the coin on us all...we're the ones with the probability of living or dying now!!! :rofl:

No wonder we kill cats in thought experiments; they're nasty! :D

NEWS FLASH: The Higgs IS the Cat, run for your lives, coz the Higgs now has 9 of em!!!!!

[Robh]

I'm hoping the project provides solutions to some of our current questions and the results don't just indicate a Universe that is perplexingly more complex.

Regards, Rob

[jjjnettie]

If we all die today, that would solve my guiding problem for me. :lol:

[renormalised]

Be prepared for anything...

[Ric]

That machine is so delicate, If someone sneezes they have to realign it.

My bet is that a mouse chews a wire this time.

Cheers

[DavidU]

Has man finally built something so complex it is bound not to work properly?

[sjastro]

Yes the White-Out tape eraser.

[renormalised]

Maybe, but more than likely, one of the guys working there will dress to the right instead of the left one morning, and that'll setup a very slight imbalance in the local gravitational field which will slightly alter the diameter of a piece of wire in one of the field coils and that will cause it to short circuit:P:P:D:D

[FredSnerd]

Its up and running and .... so far so good

[Baddad]

Hi All, :)

ABC Radio, a few days ago, announced that influence from the future had sabotaged the experiment. :eyepop:
Two scientists had made this calculation. The reasoning being that the exercise was dangerous and powers from the future were trying to stop it proceeding. :shrug:

What next? The mouse has been thought of. Perhaps it is the cat chases a butterfly .......( Domino effect)...... and these insideous microbes devour the electrical insulation and poof! Back to repairs. :lol::lol:

Cheers Marty

[mswhin63]

I sense from some of the post another potential Y2K. ;)

[Kevnool]

Kick start the thing and lets see what happens.
Cheers Kev.

[Robh]

The Sun-Herald had a few articles about the "atom smasher" today. Wrote about its cost (over 6 billion dollars Australian), the problems getting it up and running, "the God particle" (Higgs boson) and, of course, the conjecture the project is being sabotaged from the future. The potential for disaster (e.g. the Earth being sucked into a man-made black hole) makes it popular reading. Apparently, some of the project scientists have received threatening emails demanding they stop the "doomsday machine" experiments. All rather intriguing and an interesting commentary on human psychology (rational or irrational).

Rob.

[marki]

Crikey, all this crud over a particle accellerator :screwy:.

Mark

[jjjnettie]

Some people forget that this is Science Fact, not Science Fiction.

[Ric]

:lol: I like the idea of being sabotaged from the future.

Quick have security check the car park for De Lorean's. ;)

[renormalised]

Just search for mad looking, scruffy, grayish long haired old men running around looking lost:P:D:D

And young sidekicks looking bewildered:P:D:D

[Ric]

Carl, you've probably just described most of the scientist's working there.

:einstein: :lol:

[multiweb]

Yeah we saw all those dudes dancing on that video...:question: ... insanity?... from their old days... from the future? :nerd::confuse3:

[renormalised]

I know my peers:P:P:D:D

[DavidU]

When I drive my 280zx (looks a little like a De lorian ) and my longish white hair a lot of people asked where my flux capacitor was and all other jokes:lol::lol:

[AstralTraveller]

First year postgrads!! :D

[AstralTraveller]

They've just collided some particles. I believe it was at quite low energy but it is certainly progress!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/24/2751515.htm

[sheeny]

More here at Nature:

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091123/full/news.2009.1104.html

Al.

[White Rabbit]

Can you imagine if they find the Higgs the first time the fire her up at full capacity. Were going to have a lot of bored people standing around doing nothing for a long time. lol.

[AstralTraveller]

Bored?? Not for quite a while. After the discovery of the Hobbit was announced we had more film crews around here than Fox studios. Bert was doing several interviews a day and Mike (who was still at UNE at that time) must have been similarly busy. Then they had to do (or arrange for others to do) more research to silence the detractors. Can you imagine the scene at CERN if they announce that they have found the Higgs??

That raises an interesting problem. I knew about the Hobbit 12 months before the public announcement but we were sworn to secrecy because Nature would not publish the paper if there was any advance publicity. So if they find the Higgs and announce it they may have trouble publishing but if they stay mum there will be claims that the LHC is a dud. (They might go to PNAS or Science but I expect they would have similar rules.)

[renormalised]

This is precisely what's wrong with a lot of journals these days. They should stop acting like newspapers and start acting like what they're supposed to be, scientific journals. Once the information is ready to be disseminated, then it should be. Not withheld until some editor decides to "scoop" the "news". The only people who should have the sole rights to withhold anything to be published are the ones doing the research themselves.

In any case, even if they do find the Higgs early on, they won't publish until they're dead certain it's the Higgs they've found. They may find something else completely unexpected that may point them in all sorts of new directions. Or they may find nothing at all.

[jjjnettie]

Even if they do find it early on, to be a valid, as you know, it has to be repeatable. So they'll be spending a fair amount of time going over it again and again.
During that time there's sure to be other discoveries made that will instigate even more research.

[mswhin63]

I think you made an error, newspapers get the infomration and run on the same day, newspaper never hold back and the consequence is they make error and usually cause more problems than to begin with and upset as many people as possible.

They do need to hold back to make sure the evdence is verified.

[renormalised]

No I didn't...paper (and TV) proprietors will put a clamp on people going to other organisations/papers, just in order to "scoop" a story. Nature is doing the same, for the same reason...to grab the monopoly on the story. That's not what a journal is supposed to do. A journal is supposed to disseminate information without prejudice or favour. Not fight for the right to publish information which should be public domain (or at least academic domain) anyway. Or restrict the publishing of that information in order to gain some perceived advantage.