Should NASA have bombed moon??

[Stuart78]

Alot of people i have have spoke to are very disgusted that Nasa bombarded the moon, now i know it wasn't really a bomb they dropped but the media had petrayed it as if Nasa dropped a bomb on the moon which seems to have upset lots of people, maybe when Nasa do these things they need to better explain exactly what they are doing so the general public don't think they are firing warheads at our moon, or Nasa is going to have alot of haters worldwide..





Stu>>

[matt]

Not all the media, Stu...just some of the less informed/articulate sources.

I know a certain 'Sunrise' program described it that way...but let's not hang the entire 3rd Estate over something David Koch said:lol:

Don't get me started on him!!!!;)

[renormalised]

Instead of NASA trying to explain something rather simple to the public, maybe it should be the other way around...the public (and great chunks of the media), generally being a mob of ignoramuses should go back to school and learn their English. In the event that NASA then have to simplify and dumb down the language in order to get a point across, the public will know where they're coming from and realise that what they said in the first place was nothing more than the proper use of the language.

[matt]

Fair call, Carl.

[TrevorW]

Whats more sensational

NASA bombs the moon .....

NASA allow satellite to crash on the moon to detemine existence of water

say no more

[renormalised]

True, but that's where the irresponsibility of the media, in general, is most apparent. They can't tell the truth (even if they knew what that was) without embellishing it...making it out to be more than it actually is.

That's why you can't trust anything they say.

[mswhin63]

Media need to make money, hence to distortion of the truth enough to get away with it, to get the comunity up in arms. Makes them look good to the un-educated.

It may only need make a complaint to the media to explain they need to tell the real truth or make a complaint to media authority.

Sometime all it takes is a standard proforma letter to fill in the blanks and send it off to the TV Stations, if there responce it unsatisfactory then a complaint is made to the media athority.

TV Stations are charged by the media authority even if the complaint is not valid.

An example is my clients that have continual problems with the media all the time have a carefully scripted website that sends complaints to the media mostly by email by sending a standard form just filling the blanks. It is not designed for general complaints but it is what needed for most people who winge about media but do nothing about. The site if anyone is interested is www.mediaaccess.org.au (http://www.mediaaccess.org.au)

While people sit on their backside making complaints that go nowhere the media stretch the truth further and further till it breaks and they fall back a little finding there limitation. They will continually distort the truth while no one complains.

Freedom of the press they call it.

[astroron]

How many is a lot:question:
The objects that hit the Moon could be labeled a projectile, but not a bomb as they did not contain any explosives as far as I am aware.:question:
The terminology used is a mute, and as we astronomers know some of the media are prompted to hyper up something to get attention:(
That the world will get upset because NASA or any other organization hits the Moon with a Bomb/projectile is a little far fetched:rolleyes:
Most people could not give a damn and where just disappointed that there wasn't anything seen:sadeyes:
The Moon has lots of junk that has been deliberately slammed into it over the years with little or no comment:shrug:

[Baddad]

Hi All, :)

It became very clear to me.

I was listening to the radio. Announcement: "Watch the moon tonight for the explosion. (???) Will be visible from Brisbane." :lol: (Was it going to rise 4 hours early??)

Many people phoned in to complain that NASA has no right to blow up the Moon. (???) :lol:

renormalised has much credibility in his statement;
generally being a mob of ignoramuses

I was gobsmacked by the rubbish that was on air. It illustrates just how little many people know about the universe or their surrounds.

Cheers Marty

[astroron]

Just a point, I have not seen one complaint on this matter on this forum until your post.
With over 6000 members I would have expected some more complaints if it was a general public feeling.
Cheers

[starlooker]

Because the people in this forum are a bit more knowledgeable on these matters. ;)

[astroron]

It's all just a "Storm in a tea cup":rolleyes:

[FredSnerd]

Are you sure they said NASA bombed the moon. I thought they said NASA nuked the Moon. Oh My God NASA nuked the moon.

[matt]

Come on people....fair go!

It's also a language issue.

Consider the reference to performing a water 'bombing' during a bushfire!

What about when you do a 'bomb' in a swimming pool.

What about a car that's a 'bomb', or something that'll 'cost a bomb'.

Although technically not a bomb, the object which slammed into the moon was an example of 'bombing' the surface....not necessarily with a bomb.

This is all getting a bit anal for me. Some people really need to lighten up a bit:)

[astroron]

As above

[OzRob]

They didn't do anything, they faked it...lol

[Waxing_Gibbous]

Didn't go far enough. Great place to get rid of all those Nukes. Imagine the fireworks!!!:D

[xelasnave]

I thought this thread would comment on what folk thought of such a move and if it would take us forwared in the hunt for water on the Moon...
But given it is an opportunity to decry the way the media does their business I say this ..the media does what it does which is to treat us like fools and I would say their approach is reasonable given we accept carbon trading will save the planet and is not driven by vested interests and politics who generate fear to push their particlar barrow.

I dont know what follow up NASA have in mind after they analyse the "cloud" but if there is nothing planned by way of a landing to quantify how much water it would seem somewhat a pointless exercise.

alex

[ngcles]

Hi Stu, Alex and All,



The problem wasn't NASA's -- it was the fault of a whole heap of very silly sausages on the interweb thingy who were making all sorts of outrageous claims about what this mission was all about with almost no knowledge of the facts and prepared to make up anything they wanted to get attention and speculate about potential outcomes they wouldn't have a clue about how to actually calculate -- or even approximate.

Rewind to 1999 -- the same thing happened with Comet Lee when there was a huge alleged conspiracy about the Cassini Mission being diverted to intercept the comet and destroy it with it's on-board Plutonium before it could hit Earth.

Or the alien space-ships that were following behind Comet Hale-Bopp ...

Then of course there is the Nibiru thing ...

I did a couple of radio interviews over this LCROSS thing and the extent of the mis-information was astonishing. It wasn't spread by NASA. It wasn't NASA's fault.

Really, could NASA have made it any more plain what this was about and how they hoped to accomplish the mission:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/overview/index.html

I don't think so. No mention at all here about Bomb, Nuke or Weapon. Just a plain and simple explanation. Science was being done.

On the other side of the coin there were web-sites that proclaimed the mission was a "kinetic weapon". Others proclaimed that it contained a large nuclear weapon, that it was going to knock the Moon off it's axis causing it to spiral into the Earth and others that proclaimed NASA was attempting to destroy evidence of an abandoned alien moon-base at it's south pole. People were screaming out that nuclear weapons shouldn't be used on the Moon and that NASA was in breach of some sort of treaty over the use of the Moon. They virtually all had these words in common -- Bomb, Nuke and Weapon.

NASA denied that which was in turn used as evidence that they had something big to cover up -- just like Bart Sibrel silliness that is now in the final stages of being de-bunked by the LRO orbiter's images showing the artefacts from many Apollo missions on the Moon in situ

Do a web-search (as the media will do to try and get some "facts") and they look at the NASA stuff but also all the other stuff -- which always makes good 'copy".

You must remember the true purpose mainstream news-magazines, newspapers, commercial radio stations and commercial television stations exist is to sell advertising space. The price they can sell advertising space for is set by the market having regard to their circulation and ratings.

It sounds strange, but people like reading bad news stories and are more likely to believe a bad news story than a good news one. More sensational stories (copy) = higher circulation/viewer ratings = more advertising and higher rates = increased revenue for stockholders.

Stu I too spoke to quite a few that were "disgusted" at this mission but they were only became disgusted based on the mis-information and baseless hearsay being circulated as fact. Once they knew the real facts things changed. It isn't NASA's fault -- it is the fault of a bunch of silly sausages intent on criminalising everything NASA does and the media who like to sell a story.



Isn't that putting the cart before the horse Alex?

Surely there is no point in sending an extremely expensive mission to quantify the water present, before we know whether there is any water at all in the first place?

Why would they go to all the expense of planning mission like that when there isn't any evidence yet that it's required? This was a very cheap (in context) way to find out whether Di-Hydrogen Monoxide or Hydrogen Monoxide was present.


Best,

Les D

[Jarvamundo]

OMG... the mrs just bombed the bath

[renormalised]

In the end, Les, what it shows is that the public will believe anything it's told by the media and that neither have any knowledge of reality, let alone science. No wonder stuff like creationism and the like have such a following. Give someone hard facts and they won't believe you, but tickle their fantasies and they'll follow you like a mindless fool.

[FredSnerd]

Well personally I think there has been a conspiracy. A massive conspiracy. They told us we would see something and we never did. You know what I reckon. I reckon all those earlier pics we saw of the moonscape ground zero was really the back lot of some movie studio getting ready to simulate an impact only someone forgot to call action.

[xelasnave]

Les asked.........

Isn't that putting the cart before the horse Alex?

Surely there is no point in sending an extremely expensive mission to quantify the water present, before we know whether there is any water at all in the first place?

Why would they go to all the expense of planning mission like that when there isn't any evidence yet that it's required? This was a very cheap (in context) way to find out whether Di-Hydrogen Monoxide or Hydrogen Monoxide was present.

I would think given the propositions as to what it may be used for I feel something past the current mission could have been considered.
If however no propositions as to future use were on the table and it therefore a matter of simply determining if water is there then thinking about the future would be irrelevant and the mission ticked up to simply knowing more about the Moon.
I was not suggesting a lander over the impact mission but simply wondered if they have a plan based on a positive outcome.
alex

[ngcles]

Hi All,


And right on cue ...

http://www.smh.com.au/world/2012-isnt-the-end-of-the-world-is-it-20091012-gtn9.html?autostart=1

proves my point.


Best,

Les D

[spearo]

Lets hope the Moon people don't retaliate
frank

[Waxing_Gibbous]

Excellent, Harvey Norman is offering 3 years interest-free finance: hello 62" plasma in every room!! They'll never collect!!:lol:
With the threats from Commies, Russkies, G***s, Ayl-eeuns, Eye-Ranians, Eye-rakkies and possibly the French, all having come to little, Tom & Tess of the trailor park need something to get het-up about.
And just as a matter of course, what crystal-stroking, godess-dancing, spirit-walking, New-Age chiliast can possibly resist a bit of retributive armageddon?
It wouldm't bother me so much, but these people are allowed to VOTE!!!!

[Jazza11]

On alot of the news channels they said Nasa bombing moon and a animation of a big white flash so i guess they kinda stuffed up there

[renormalised]

We can't win, Les. No matter what we say, people will just keep on believing what they want. Best to just let them go and keep on believing. Once they realise the error of their ways and beliefs, they'll figure out we must have had something factual to say. If they do something stupid because of their beliefs, that'll be their fault and responsibility. Just so long as they don't affect everyone else in the process.

[FredSnerd]

Maybe we could use this as a pretex for war and enslave all the Moon people

[xelasnave]

Well I am going to sue NASA... they took out my newest proposed Moon subdivision...lots 235 thru to 367 all gone.

mmm new business ..insure your Moon land against NASA bombardment...yes it is an ill wind that blows no good.


alex

[FredSnerd]

Alex,

You might also want to consider that if the bombardment did in fact release H2O to the surface your 2 lots might have been transformed to waterfront by now. Might indeed have been a blessing in disguise

[Esseth]

I saw people debating this, some people concernded it's going to knock the moon off its axis.... does a bug hitting your windshield make your car bounce off the road?

I'm assuming there the same people that think the LHC is going to create backholes that will suck in the earth...

[Gallifreyboy]

I'm outraged that no environmental impact study was circulated before this abom(b)ination. Imagine how many endangered species could be affected by this action not to mention climate change. I support the formation of an action group. Moon Obliteration Radical Operational Network Scheme (MORONS for short) ;)

[Waxing_Gibbous]

"Eminent Domain" I'm afraid sir, all for the "greater good" as I'm sure you understand. Now if sir wishes to make a claim for compensation, sir will need to fill out forms 23C, 12A, 104B(a) and 1008(c,g,r). And the planning commitee will take it under advisement.
But please be advised that the civil action group M.O.R.O.N.S. has filed a pre-emptive motion seeking the site to be designated as an (Off) World Heritage Site.

[JethroB76]

Cant believe we let them blow up the moon:eyepop:

[astroron]

Here we are talking about the media and their stupid comments :(and what do we have on this thread, lots of stupid comments:screwy:

[Jen]

:eyepop: well i have been getting around with my head in the sand lately i didnt even know or hear that this was even happening :scared3:

[saturn c]

just like the "hey hey its saturday"incident

[Starkler]

Isnt that exactly what they are trying to do? :lol:

[xelasnave]

Fred I need you on the team...
You see opportunity when I see problems ...mmm al of a sudden I can see all the water lapping around the crator edges.

Sadly one could advertise .."water front land on the Moon ... did you not hear about the water mission etc.... and how many would buy sight unseen.... and worse still even as I joke about this you can bet someone is out there still selling Moon blockes...water front ...ring and ask...I bet you are promised one..just send the money....

Back to reality... all is good... have they found anything yet...
alex

[xelasnave]

Yes and they are right.........move to the Moon...er maybe not...dam you are doomed.
alex

[xelasnave]

mmmm compensation the saviour of a dud subdivision....
Look I am a reasonable person make me an offer over lunch;)
I have delt with government before:D
alex

[FredSnerd]

I can hardly believe it. I looked up this morning where the moon used to be and just wanted to cry. It just doesnt feel the same any more. I miss my moon. Why did they have to go and blow it up.

[DavidU]

Dunno Claud, The deep sky fellas seem quite chuffed:D

[FredSnerd]

David,
Do you think they were behind this all along?

[FredSnerd]

Count me in Alex. I got this great idea for mixing green moon cheese with vegemite, only I'm not sure what to call it. Whatya think

[renormalised]

Sloppymite 2.0:P:P:D:D

[mswhin63]

That is the key to all this, it is quite possibly Hey Hey will be canned early as a result.

With all the negative infomration out there and no complaints by the educated the President might start canning some moon or mars program due to bad publicity.

Remember funds are controlled by the governments and they will only provide funds for stuff that will keep them in office.

So maybe it is not a storm in a tea cup.

[FredSnerd]

"Sloppymite" yeah Carl I can see that. I particular like the "2.0" touch. I dont think thats been doen before for a food product. Now how do we get ourselves some of that green cheese. Alex??? Common man you started this.

[xelasnave]

Lunalickious.
alex:):):)

[Stuart78]

Thanks for the replies people some of them where quite amusing while some where informative, i wasn't against Nasa doing this operation i am all for the science i love it, i have just had heaps of people talking about it at work and also on radio that where unhappy about it, it was just a case of media misinformation, 49 Replies, lol i love this forum..:D






Regards,
Stuey>>

[bartman]

I reckon they were just trying out whether they can use the moon for a cheap dumping ground.
Just testing the amount of debris that would fly up, and how much of that would travel away from the moon......

Just joking.....:lol:

Bartman