I-Phone Envy

[norm]

Not.....

I been approached over the last month or so with work colleagues crapping on about their i-phones as if they are the must have accessory.

Don't get me wrong, by the sounds of it they've got some nifty apps, gadgets etc but at the end of day, I couldn't give a rats. If I want one, I'd get it, but the point is, I have no interest in them not now or foreseeable future.

These people then go on about it with their so called great deal plans, blah blah.

Has anyone encountered this ?

PS: I not here to bash I-phone users, only except when they rub it down your throat like some must have item and that I should be jealous.

Ok, thats my rant.:thanx:

[DavidU]

I use my mobile (an old one) as a phone, ie: to talk, as short as possible thats it. $20 credit lasts me a couple of months.

[mithrandir]

Only a couple of months? We have one guy who is on his 3rd iPhone, the first one he picked up overseas before they were released in AU. He still doesn't shut up.

[Wavytone]

Forget the Apple logo. Stick a Windows one over it, if it bothers you.

You will change your mind after using StarMap Pro, at the scope. Never mind the rest of what it can do.

[DistroMan]

I felt the same way when they first came out and a few friends wouldn't shutup about them. I had a Palm Lifedrive at that time that virtually held my life in its palm. :)

Then it died. I wept like a baby. Then I went to replace it and found that it was cheaper to get the new iphone as it could not only do what I had been doing on the palm, but much more besides and also meant I had one less device to carry around. As it was, to me, time to replace my old mobile it was a no brainer.

I apologise to those I annoy by talking about how good it is. But it is. Really.

Insert usual disclaimer about not being an apple employee or holding apple shares >> here <<.

:rofl:

[rally]

Best portable device I ever got

For Astro -
It controls the entire telescope system via VNC - that works really well.
It is a Planetarium and has many programs for planning and moon phase
StarMap Pro - truly amazing - point and it will tell you what you are pointing it at - if its not in its own databse of 1.5 Million objects it can look it up on the net for you
It is a real GPS - no need for the $200 one for software setup
Its is an inclinometer no need for $70 Wixey or the $250 ones for setup
Its a compass - no need for the $20-100 compass for setup
It has a torch function - good for keys but not for spotting possums !
It holds all your documents for when you need your notes or a manual in the field.
It has Google Earth
Pocket Weather
Satellite tracker
Planet program

It also has games on it to keep the kids quiet in the car or anywhere else - no need for the video games unit $200
On the other hand it also has a high frequency oscillator to scare them out of the room !
It has educational 'games' on it - it has been teaching my 4YO to spell
Its a web browser
Its an email client
Proper calculator, Metric Conversion tool, Chronometer . . .
It holds all your documents for when you need your notes or a manual in the field.
Its a Photo album for showing things if you want
Its a camera - great for diagnosing problems on the spot
Its has Todo lists, voice recorder and tons of personal time management stuff

It has nearly 100,000 applications that can do almost anything you want and most of them are either free, a US$1 or less than $5, some are more

Maybe the people who are raving about them are actually excited at what they can do as opposed to trying to ram it down your throat.

It can play videos and MP3s but I am yet to bother - I got it to help me do things and it does this in a way that works for me - its now my portable office.
I dont even need a mobile data plan because I am usually connected to a local network and it uses that automatically when they are in range.

Ohh - nearly forgot - its also a phone.

That just happens to work better than my last 3g phone in poor reception areas where I live and travel !

So it has saved me money and time.

Not bad for a phone I say !

[Calibos]

I would have been in complete agreement with Norm and used my simple phone like Dave. I was always a bit of a tech head and gadget freak but in terms of phones that soon wore off with the advent of camera phones and smartphones. Never used the cameras, never used the smart features, paid extra for the priveledge of having these features and the phones always died within a year or two. I figured if a phone isn't going to last longer than a year in my pocket, I want to have paid double figures for it and not triple figures :D

However, I did borrow an I-Touch from my brother when I went on holiday and loaded it up with TV shows, movies and music which were great for the flights and long coach journeys.

Still wasn't interested in the I-Phone nor the I-touch for personal use. However, when I read about the new version of Starmap pro and all the other astro apps never mind all the non astro apps, I have started to have second thoughts. The Author of Starmap is working on using the bluetooth functionality of the I-Phone for direct connection between the Starmap planetarium I-Phone and any mount via ascom without any laptop in between like the current fudge. Remote handheld GOTO planetarium control. How cool will that be!!

I see an I-Phone in my future! :D

[Starkler]

I like a phone to have the following attributes:

1) Ability to make and receive phone calls.
2) Ability to send and receive sms.
3) As a consumable item of limited life I want it to be cheap.

[Octane]

Norm,

You need to get an iPhone.

Regards,
Humayun

[Kevnool]

No one put a price up or there just to expensive to buy outright?
Cheers Kev.

[Rod66]

When you experience the iphone - you will turn to the dark side.

Its been fabulous for me - only got it 4 months ago. I used to take out all my star atlases, my laptop, planisphere and other tools, setup and get ready for a good night of stars. Remember my scope is on a dob and I don't use any fancy navigation tools.
Now all I take out is my iphone, my new bunnings pelican lookalike box with all the eyepieces and my scope. I'm ready in about 5 mins. I use Sky Voyager on the iphone if anyone is wondering - absolutely incredible piece of software.
As my colleague goes over to his laptop, looks up an object, goes to his scope finds the general area, goes back to his laptop does another check... I'm usually sitting there looking at it with my scope. Annoys him no end.
Then, I switch to memo mode and record my observation log. Then its onto the next object.
Finally a device that does actually improve efficiency and make life easier.
There is a reason people rave about iphones Norm...

cheers

Rod

[[1ponders]]

Hear hear Geoff. I had my first mobile for 3 years and you could count on two hands the number of calls and txts I sent. After 3 years it died. Oh well. :shrug:

[matt]

I would've agreed with you, norm..until I got one.

They're great!:D

[Satchmo]

This is my simple way around the dilemma of the somewhat overpriced Iphone ( something like $800 for the 16gb version) . I'm keeping my $90 prepaid phone, as I seem to drop them and lose them often enough.

The 3rd Gen 32gb Ipod Touch is $398 and makes more sense if you want to listen to music and use the applications without a phone and video otherwise identical to the Iphone. I'm looking forward to getting my whole music collection on to one and I have about 40 applications picked out too..many of them are free.

[kustard]

I recently upgraded to a smartphone mainly because I wanted the email feature. An iPhone was on the cards but I know in the end I wouldn't use all the features and it would be a waste like my PDA. I just need a phone to make calls, receive calls, SMS and the occasional email.

As for running astro programs on an iPhone I think it's a neat idea but personally I prefer my laptop with the bigger FOV that the screen provides.

[stephenb]

I must admit I cannot embrace the newer technology. My wife and I each have a mobile...

- we can talk free between phones for 5 minutes at a time.
- our text messages average 10-20 per month
- our total bill is about $20 each per month.

- NO MMS, 3G, internet access etc. We just cannot see the point.

Life is complicated enough.

[Fossil]

The main thing I (and my wife) like about the iPhone is its ease of use. We've both had 'smart phones' from other manufacturers, but you needed to carry the manuals around if you wanted to do anything more complicated than make a phone call.
The iPhone is very intuitive and we both find ourselves using most of the features it offers, simply because it is so easy to use.
Having said that, I do believe it is horses for courses and if you don't need, or won't use, the features then don't get one.

[Davros]

I tossed up between an iphone and a Samsung Omnia when they came out and went with the Omnia. Terrible mistake the thing is next to useless. Very much wish i had gone with the iphone.

[Omaroo]

Ditto Rally

it has changed the way I work and play.

[stephenb]

Yep, don't get me wrong, I agree - horses for courses etc - I think the explosion of tecnology is just amazing. We can only begin to imagine what it will be like in 10 or 20 years.

Anyway, I normally don't turn my mobile phone on because it runs the battery down.

[DavidTrap]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back!

They just work. Apart from all the fabulous apps, the bit that really makes the iPhone special is the seamless syncing that occurs. I can make a diary entry or change a contact detail on my iPhone and <2mins later it has appeared on my wife's iPhone.

However, you do still need access to a PC to cope with specialised astronomy software (eg. the Orion Starshoot Autoguider only comes has Windows Drivers, despite the fact that PHD comes in a Mac version). Fortunately, my Mac also has the downgrade installed - ie. Windows XP - so I can just boot it up as a PC and off we go.

I know they are more expensive, but they are nice to use.

Just my two cents worth.

David T

[rogerg]

I had the same choice and chose to go with the Omnia. Agree - big mistake. Microsoft just does not "get it" when it comes to mobile - the interface is horrid. I have improved it signifcantly by installing SPB Shell, but I still have to use the MS calendar etc, argh!

If you don't have SPB Shell, get it, it's well worth the money. It appears simple at first, but it's the small changes it makes that matter.

As for next phone ... I think I will go back to a normal phone, not a touch. I wanted it for the googling while outshopping etc, but haven't found it a significant improvement over my motorola flip but has other downsides.

Roger.

[Davros]

and now that poor decision has been rectified, i am the happy new owner of an iphone 16g. Just playing with it now to find some good applications.

[Omaroo]

Only 140,000 to choose from.... have fun! :)

[Terry B]

I'll stick to my phone that receives calls and the occasional SMS.
it is rarely used to actually call anyone. I've never used the camera and cant see why I would.
If I want to take pics I use something with decent glass in it ie an SLR.
I don't like the idea that all the apple fans seem to be promoting that their item is the best and everyone should have one. This leads to a monopoly situation. Better to have competing systems that will keep the price down and stop you having to buy a particular companies stuff.
As for the apps.
Why would I wan't to use a crappy little screen for stuff that runs very well on a notebook? :shrug:

[Octane]

Terry,

You haven't used an iPhone, have you? Better still, owned one for a bit? We're not all crazy devout Apple fanboys. The device is a marvel.

H

[Davros]

I guess the reason it is so good is that it just works, it does exactly what it says it will do. I used a Nokia n97 that i threw at a wall in frustration at the useless symbian operating system. I then tried a Samsung Omnia with a windows operating system that i could not get to function for MMS, email or web access and then i bought an iphone this afternoon. I walked into the house plugged it into itunes on my notebook and voila, all of my contacts imported along with my calender and my itunes music. My email worked by simply typing in my email address and web access is instantaneous. I am a happy customer and finally have a phone that does what i want it too. No real secret or conspiracy there.

[GrahamL]

A compass !.. now theres a must have function when your lost
miles from anywhere with no coverage and a flat battery.

Speaking on batteries good to see the company is as always
thinking of there customers .



I'm with you Norm , much as I could easily get used to one of these trinkets , lifes cluttered enough with mindless crap we could probably get by with out .

[Octane]

All the hate, scorn and derison. :shakes head:

Try using one. I was rabidly against the 3G. Got the 3GS the day it came out (there was no alternative -- I've been using smart phones/PDA's since they've come out -- at the time).

Love it to bits.

As for the comment, re: compass -- I've used it every time to set up my mount, and I've been bang on everytime (except once, and that was because I forgot to turn on true north in the compass). Then, I load up iHandy Level and set my altitude/inclination. It takes 1 minute. Then, the fun (pain?) of drift aligning is usually short-lived.

H

[richardda1st]

Ok, I am also looking into an ipod or iphone. My only interest in it is for extracting altitude & azimuth settings for my dob. Like some others here I dont care for all the gadgets & gismos.

But, as I need a new phone ( I have always used my daugther's hand me downs :P) why not get an iphone.
My only concern is weather the small screen is adequate.:question:

Can those of you who use the iphone cofirm that the star programs are okay on such a small screen. I carry my mobile with me so might as well get more use out of it.

[OzRob]

I'm with you: a phone's a phone, a camera a camera and a computer a computer. Trying putting them all in one box leads to lots of compromises. I have bought fancy phones in the past and all I used it for is for was talking to people, checking the time and the date and the alarm. They are not for me, no envy from here.

[Omaroo]

Rob - you're not saying anything new. We ALL said the same thing before we got one. Be fair, and at least use one before you know what it won't do for you.

[OzRob]

Why can't people respect my decision not to use one??

[Omaroo]

Because you're making statements about their inability to avoid compromise - without knowing. Nothing sinister... :) I use mine in preference to my laptp and desktop now for many functions. They're more well-sorted than you think. Don't compare them to any Windows Mobile phone - they ARE a severe compromise in most respects.

Noone is trying to get you to use one Rob. Those that do use them tend to defend them because they find them utterly useful. I actually defied everyone in my office to use mine and not say 'gee - that's pretty amazing'.

[OzRob]

So you are saying that an iPhone can out perform my DSLR (for photography) and laptop (for computing)???

All I merely stated was that I like to use a tool that is specifically developed for the purpose. If you could fit a decent camera and computer into something that can fit into the palm of a hand why is my camera a lot bigger, let alone my laptop? The reason that the camera in an iPhone is not as good as my DSLR is that compromises had to be made to both the lens system and electronics to fit them into a small space in a small package. For computing I like a big screen so a screen on a phone doesn't cut it for me. I did not bag the iPhone and only stated that it does not fit my needs.

That's all I have to say on this

[Octane]

Rob,

I have never, ever read anything about anyone using an iPhone for serious photography (i.e., making money off it). Nor, have I ever read anything about anyone using an iPhone for serious computing (like running a data centre).

It's not really a bridge. It's a just a mobile (phone) computing device with a plethora of applications to choose from. Some good free ones, too. Some are complete wastes of time (most games -- my opinion), and, some are serious, such as SkyVoyager (to bring astronomy into the discussion). What other device, in such a form factor do you know of that you can point at the sky and let it tell you what you're looking at? Nowadays, you can even wirelessly control your mount from the iPhone. Or, how about Trapster -- which will alert you as you're driving where mobile speed cameras, red light/speed cameras, RBT units, etc., are as you approach them. These are just a couple of examples that I use on an almost-daily basis which I can't do on a netbook/notebook/desktop machine.

My comments weren't a sales pitch, and, they've never been. They were simply praise for a sensational little device and some basic facts. To you, anyone who uses an iPhone probably looks like a fanboy whose sporting the latest Apple device or accessory to keep up with the Jones'. I, myself, find that behaviour rather petty and obnoxious. As mentioned previously, I held off on purchasing one as I thought the initial release was a bit lacking and definitely was a compromise.

If you're happy with your phone, that's A-OK. But, you must realise that your comments can, and will, be taken the wrong way by someone who has the device in question and uses it every single day for things that they simply don't want to (or, can't) do on a netbook/notebook/desktop. For example, reading IceInSpace on the can, or doing some casual ebook reading before going to bed, or watching a video/vodcast, or listening to a podcast at lunchtime. And, making the occasional phone call.

But, if it doesn't fit your needs, that's fine. :two thumbsup:

Sales pitch: use one for a day. You will want to keep it.

H

[Waxing_Gibbous]

Mother of Mercy!
OP is too right.
If all you have to validate your existence is what kind of telephone you own and what apps its got you should slit your wrists now.
I love gadgets, but they don't define me.
Get a LIFE gearheads!

[Octane]

I'll be sure to cut across, and, not down.

My phone is my life. It's all I've got. I have nothing else to live for, and, you've just taken that all away from me.

Goodbye, cruel world.

H

[Omaroo]

Can I have your 5D MkII Humayun?

[Omaroo]

Bit harsh Pete? :shrug: We're ALL gearheads on here. Oh! Hang on... you're scopeless... :P

[FredSnerd]

I would just caution against remarks like "Well you know Apple just works". A few years ago I bought my daughter an Apple iPod. She really wanted it. Cost me $600. Just before the warranty ran out it packed it in. I sent it back for repair and shortly after they sent back an e-mail (which you couldnt reply to because it was a bot) that said they were returning it cause they couldnt find anything wrong. Of course when it came back it didnt work. Went on their home page to find a Ph number to actually speak to someone to explain what was happeneing - couldnt find one. The e-mail they sent was a bot so in the end I had to go through the online repair process again. Got it back. Still didnt work. Of course we gave up in the end. A $600 gift to Steve Jobs. I dont buy Apple anything now and will never. My experiance is that its over priced and unreliable.

[Omaroo]

http://www.apple.com/au/contact/

Not hard. Never been a problem. How much more "contactable" a company do you need?

[FredSnerd]

Not Hard? Never been a problem? Never been a problem for who? Are you speaking for yourself or the rest of the world. Have you ever returned something to apple for repair?



I wanted to speak to the repair dept who were returning the ipod saying they couldn’t find anything wrong because I wanted to explain the problems we were having. I couldn’t find it. What you attached is useless (but of course has the appearance that its not) and the e-mail they sent me was a bot. You couldn’t respond to it to explain. So tell me. Why would that be. Why wouldn’t they send you an e-mail you could respond to and with contact number.

[Omaroo]

Have I ever returned anything for repair? Well, yes - dozens of times over the years. I use lots of Apple gear in my business - we're an ad agency/design house/software developer. Have done since 1984. We've run maybe 120 Macs and other Apple devices over the yearshere in my current business. With those numbers, on occasion they do fail - so we send them in for repair to a disk drive or logic board. Always been good service, and they're always contactable. Do I know others who have done the same? Yes - a whole advertising/graphics industry.

From that page is this one: http://www.apple.com/au/support/contact/

I ring the 1-300 number during office hours and get a human on the phone. Have done before. It works.

No, not hard and never been a problem.

On that page, are the following methods by which you can get your repair done or at least speak to someone about it.

Online

Try our online resources for Apple product solutions, tutorials and more.
Browse our support pages
Use the Online Service Assistant to request a repair or replacement part
Check repair status
Learn from fellow Apple customers at Apple Discussions
View current promotions, submit a rebate request, or check the status of your rebate

Phone

Mac, iPhone and iPod customers within 90 days of ownership are eligible for complimentary phone support — one support incident per iPod and unlimited incidents per Mac.
Technical support: 1-300-321-456
See all worldwide support telephone numbers

Email

Email support is available for iTunes Store questions.
iTunes Store: Get email support for downloads, purchases, and more.

Live Chat

Chat support is available for MobileMe questions.
MobileMe: Get chat support for billing and account questions, MobileMe Mail, and more.

Apple Retail Store

An Apple Retail Store is the best place to test-drive and explore Apple products, receive hands-on technical support and hardware repair from a Mac Genius, and get personal training on your new Mac with a One to One membership.
Find an Apple Store
Make a Genius Bar reservation
Get a One to One membership

Apple Authorised Service Provider

Contact an Apple Authorised Service Provider for Mac-related support and repair.
Locate an Apple Authorised Service Provider near you.




Choices?

[Omaroo]

You could also have taken it to any of these resellers in Canberra, and they'd all have helped you out. Seems like a fair number of people that could.... not exactly a short list - even for Canberra.

Mac1 Canberra Centre (website) (email)
FF10 Upper Level North Quarter Canberra Centre, Bunda St
Canberra City ACT 2601
02 6257 2244 Canberra City
ACT 2601 Apple Premium Reseller

Mac1 Fyshwick (website) (email)
178 Gladstone Street
Fyshwick ACT 2609
02 6280 0808 Fyshwick
ACT 2609 Apple Premium Reseller, Apple Authorised Service Provider

Mac1 ANU (website) (email)
2 Hutton Street
Acton ACT 2601
02 6257 0808 Acton
ACT 2601 Apple Authorised Reseller

Myer Belconnen (website)
Westfields, Benjamin Way
Belconnen ACT 2617
(02) 6256 8300 Belconnen
ACT 2617 Apple Authorised Reseller

Domayne Fyshwick (website)
80 Collie Street
Fyshwick ACT 2609
02 6126 2500 Fyshwick
ACT 2609

Harris Technology (website)
29-31 Townsville Street
Fyshwick ACT 2609
(02) 6126 3410 Fyshwick
ACT 2609 Apple Authorised Reseller

David Jones Civic
260-262 Alinga Street
Canberra ACT 2600
02 6222 6333 Canberra
ACT 2600 iPod Authorised Reseller

David Jones Woden
Woden Valley Plaza Off Bradley St
Phillip ACT 2606
02 6202 6222 Phillip
ACT 2606 iPod Authorised Reseller

[Fossil]

Don't forget good ol' Google... stacks of information there ;-)

[Terry B]

I still dont want or need one.
I went out to dinner last night for a work related welcome for a new potential medical specialist in town.
One of the people there spent about 1/3 of the time playing with a smart phone (I don't know what type but it isn't relevant).
It was just rude as far as I could see. He was not on call and it was not work related. Intrusive and not needed. They don't bring out the best in people.

[Omaroo]

I guess that's a personality issue, not the phone's, and I wholeheartedly agree with you though - it's damned rude. For New Year's Ever this year I opened up the office for a few of our people and their friends so that they could watch the fireworks from the balcony. One bloke I'd not met before came along and sat there the whole night playing on his phone and said nothing to anyone else. I damn-near asked him to leave, the little boy.

[kustard]

I recently gabbed an iPhone after my Samsung started to play up, a decision which was helped along over Christmas by my friends letting me play on theirs. I was always liked the iPhone but at the time couldn't justify the plan costs and was happy with a device to make calls and sms (as stated in my previous post in this thread).

Now I find it a great little device, it does work well for all that it can do and it can do a lot.

I can see here where some people have said they like a more specific tool for the job and indeed I am of that camp, but with the line between devices and their applications is becoming increasingly more blurry, something like the iPhone can definitely be a tool which gets used.

Some people like Windows, some like MacOS, some like *nix. They alll run on the same hardware these days. I like all three. But I like to choose which one I use for a certain application whether it's because of single OS support hardware (such as development tools for microprocessors), single OS support software (such as some astro software) or because I am more comfortable using say Photoshop on a Mac than I am on a Win machine. Horses for courses. But an iPhone bridges all these and allows me to access my *nix servers, login to my email, run astro software, play music etc all seamlessly, something which other multi-application devices don't do or can't do well.

As for Apple support, I'm with Chris on this. We have about 10 or so macs at work, all ranging from some old G series servers to a couple of new Macbook Air's (we also have about 25 Win machines and 3 *nix servers). Whenever we've had a problem with an Mac, support from Apple themselves or via the local Apple reseller has been good indeed.

Sorry for the wall of text.

[JethroB76]

I love reading Apple fights:lol:

[FredSnerd]

Lets see. I want to speak to the guy whose saying he’s going to send my stuff back because there is nothing wrong and ask him not to send it back because there is something wrong. What I get is a bot that I cant reply to and that has no contact numbers. As to what you sent me of course most of it is irrelevant, giving the appearance of choices when there are not – shame on you. How was the online resource going to help me. Not at all (the so called Online Service Assistant, its what you use to get the process started and needless to say the “Check repair status” facility is also not a person). How was the E-mail help re itunes going to help. Not at all. And what of the Live Chat re MobileMe, Apple Retail Store (it wasn’t there business, they weren’t repairing it); Authorised Service Provider for Mac-related support and repair (again not their business and in any case nothing to do with them, it was already in for repair). As for the ipod 1300 number. First of all its about technical support, not repairs but I rang them of course both before I sent the unit in and after. Before I sent it in they said “Send it in”. After I sent it in they said “I’m sorry, its in for repairs your just gonna have to wait until it comes back. I wasn’t the only one having problems with iPod at the time because it was new and I believe I was being screwed around. Why else not provide a e-mail you can respond to or contact number of the person saying they cant find a problem with your unit. Isnt this the best way to give support, if its genuine.

Well that was my experience. You can choose to doubt it. Its only fair since I don’t have a great deal of confidence in what you say either. Oh yeah I expect you do work in an agency/design house/software developer business but how much you under play the fact that because you order big you will get better service (both in your private capacity and in connection with the business) then an individual, well, we’ll never really know. And really, what do you do there. Are you the Apple devices Returnerer or does someone else do that job. And finally (and most importantly since this is what my original post was really about) how often do you have to send stuff back for repairs. That’s what my post was about. Sounds like it could be pretty regular.

[Omaroo]

Sigh. There' no helping some - and yes, shame on me. LOL!

[rat156]

Hi All,

Well, I am an Apple fanboy, have been so for ages. I even owned a Newton messagepad (or two) until it got stolen, I would probably still have it now otherwise.

Of course, when the iPhone came out I wanted one, even thought of buying one from the US, but didn't. I waited until they were released in Aus, lined up in the cold to get one. I love it, wouldn't have another phone. I have to carry around an old Nokia job for work as well as my iPhone, so I'd like a dual sim one, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so I'll just have to carry around the two phones.

I own several Macs, a couple of PC's, I don't mind Windows as much as I used to, until something goes wrong, then I find some things incomprehensible in their complexity compared to using the Mac. My MacBook is several years old, has been in for repair once during warranty, now has a pretty rough looking case, but still works well, so well in fact that although I want one of the new ones I can't think of a decent reason to go out and buy one, so I'll stick with this one until it dies completely, it does need a new battery now as this one is a bit dodgy. The repair process was seamless, I took it to an apple reseller, who fixed it and some other stuff that was on the replace it if you see it list, I didn't pay a cent.

Insofar as the iPhone is concerned, why all this snobbery about not having one. It reminds me of the "I don't watch TV" snobbery that goes about. I don't watch too much on TV, but I don't think less of people if they do, if they like the rubbish that's on TV, good on them, each to their own. But what I won't do is denigrate them for their choice like some people here are trying to do, or it at least seems that way to me.

Somehow Apple has become the "Evil Empire" for making popular products and software well. If it wasn't for Apple we would still have PC's in horrible greyish boxes and software delivered on 5.25" floppy disks. Does anyone here remember the scoffs from the PC experts when Apple released the iMac WITHOUT a floppy disk drive?

Cheers
Stuart

[FredSnerd]

Again this post is misleading. My stuff was in for repairs sent to apple as per their instructions. Talking to these people wasnt going to help, though I remember talking at the start to them and them telling me to contact Apple.

[Omaroo]

Seriously Claude... :rolleyes:

[Jeffkop]

Well mine arrives tomorrow morning ... Im hoping that I never have the need to decide whether Chris or Claude's opinions were correct.
My phone carked it after oh 5 years. Ive had mobile phones post brick with a curly cord days, and have owned only 3 until now.
Have to adnit, I havent ever needed all the frills with phones, as a matter of fact Ive NEVER used the camera in the last phone that had one.

Im really looking fwd to a screen I can see in the daylight and a menu system that is much easier to use than my old phone .. it was the bane of my phone life that menu navigation.

I didnt realise when I ordered it that it was going to be as useful in this hobby .. THIS is a real bonus !!!

I guess I decided to go with the Iphone on the back of all the great chat I have over heard with friends who own them and with all the positive input from this thread .... Im finally excited about a phone with frills !!!

So

[Davros]

Enjoy the phone Jeff, i sure am. I guess some people just cant allow other people to enjoy anything without trying to bring it down.

[jjjnettie]

Would I buy one?? No, I don't think so.
I need to prioritise my spending.

Though I do understand why you guys would see them as objects of desire.
I'd love to see what they can do first hand.

[dannat]

Question: can i use an american iphone in australia no problem..ie do the wirless netwroks run on the same frequency..have you seen the US pricing:eyepop:;):D

[Jen]

:) Sounds like you had a bad day Norm :screwy:

I dont have one of those phones but i have played with one and they are fun but my Wii is for games and stuff and a phone is for calling and texting i think :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[MrB]

For years I was in the same camp as some others here, all I needed was a phone that does talk and sometimes text, I honestly couldn't see the need for anything else. $10/month plan etc etc.
Infact... the whole of 2008 and most of 2009 I didn't even own a mobile. Didn't need one.
In the end was forced into getting one for work.
I hated all those people that went on (and on and on.....) about their iPhones.
I am NOT a gadget freak... have never even had a Playstation or anything like that.

I've had a 3GS for about two weeks now... Awesome.
Seriously.
Why? I could go on for ages about it (like people did to me) and you'd just go 'meh' like I did for ages... then you use one for a couple of days and it just makes sense.

[Octane]

Welcome to the cult, Brother Simon.

H

[dannat]

anyone know if i can get the US iphone

[Davros]

wouldnt have a clue, whats the difference?

[RB]

I'm in the same situation, I only wanted a phone for calls and some text.
I don't play games, or browse the net on it.
The Nokia I have atm is annoying me though, it's ring is too soft even on Max, it only rings 3 times before going to message bank and I can't get service at home or nearby areas like the Pony Club when we go obs.

I've been eyeing out the iPhones now for a while and even though I won't use it for internet, or games, I am fascinated but the variety of apps available and like the style of the thing.
Keep in mind I've never owned an Apple product before, I just like what the iPhone has to offer, and I'm not simply buying it because it's Apple.

My needs though, before I get one are:

Does it have a loud enough ringtone?
Can I set it to ring more than a few times so I have time to answer it, (I plan to sign up with Telstra).
Does it have good reception on NextG in regional areas, say like at SPSP, Lostock or even at the Pony Club, I need to be contactable when I go to starparties etc.
Anyone tried theirs at the starparties?

:)

[Wavytone]

Agreed, but he was probably a new user - they're the worst - they all go though an initial obsession with it where they can't leave it alone for a minute. This might last weeks or months.

That said though, it is incredibly useful from my perspective.

[Wavytone]

Yes,
There is a limit. But it will show you missed a call and periodically chirp or vibrate to get your attention, if you have been away from it for some time.
Reception - that's at the whim of the carrier. You'll be pleasantly surprised I think as it is generally quite good in regional areas.
Starparties - yes I always use mine - I have StarMap Pro (invaluable) and also the Clinometer and Theodolite apps will help you get a mount levelled and aligned blind, very quickly.

[allan gould]

I thought the iPhone was an over sell until a friend at work was given one by his father-in-law who bought it from the states and so was locked to AT&T.
He jailbroke it and unlocked it but then did the OS upgrade and that was it - no phone. He loved it so much he went out and bought a 3GS model. Asked do I want to buy it and I said yes as I was interested in using it as an iPod.
Was seriously impressed by video and pdf reading ability and also the aps but it was crippled because no phone.
Anyway - joy of joys- there is now software to unlock the iPhone. I tried to do this legitimately but Apple said contact AT&T and AT&T said contact Apple - after the run around the Apple guy said see if a 3rd party could do it. But looking on the web there were a lot of scams so I waited 6 months and now it is an iPhone.
Its a great device as a phone camera apps etc etc, but all of the functions are so well integrated that I love surfing the web or reading a book with it. Makes plane flights easy by watching a video or listening to music.
Greatest device ive ever used and with Starmap Pro can use it at the scope. Just want BT with StarMap Pro and it would be great to control the scope.

[Octane]

You'll probably not read this, but, anyway:

1. Yes, ring tone is loud enough;
2. I always thought that was the carrier that timed out after a few calls. On some phones, there is a delay due to the phone's software -- the caller may actually have heard a few rings before your phone even starts ringing and therefore appears to time out very quickly for you;
3. Telstra's NextG is amazing; they have the widest coverage of all the providers. Chris' iPhone down at Border Stargaze was receiving data about 6x faster than mine on Optus. Having said that, I have no problem with reception at the Pony Club;
4. Yes, at Border Stargaze, was no problem. I got brief moments of reception at Lostock, but, that would be due to Optus' coverage and not the phone itself.

H

[Vartigy]

And people wonder why there are next to no ads on TV or Radio for these phones.
Apple marketing strategy is some of the best around. Word of Mouth + International Hype = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ ^ infinity.:thumbsup:

Plus. My wife has one. Absolutely stunning with StarMapPro for night obs. Fantastic device. Plus it's saved my bacon a few times driving in foreign cities.

[Jeffkop]

My iPhone arrived yesterday :)
Oh .. can see what all the pro iPhone ppl are on about ... this is the 21 century equivalent of the swiss army knife ... ;)

The convenience at your finger tips is (in my time) unheralded.

So ordered one for my wife today as well.

In a word ... appleased :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Analog6]

I just love mine - I bought someone's cast off 3G 16Gb when the 3GS models came out, cost me $550 and I popped my Telstra pre-paid SIm in and away I went.
It has big keys and I can read the contacts list without my reading glasses.
I can have different ring tones for different contacts (discovered that one by accident and it is very handy).
I haven't bothered with internet but now with all the free wifis at McDonalds I can sit in their car park and use it on the internet-for nothing!
It takes a not too shabby photo.
When I went to NZ it just automatically and seamlessly worked - it was wonderful, my OH's Nokia was us.
And the iPod function is nice too.

[PCH]

They do look cool don't they?:D

Can anyone tell me, if I get one, can I just transfer my existing (Optus Plan $49pm) sim from my crappy old Nokia into it?

PS Whoops, Odille has just answered my question I think!

[Jeffkop]

YEP ... exactly what I did ... only thing you have to do is disable the pin No in yer old phone before you put it in the iPhone ... I dont know why but they say the SIM has to be unlocked and indeed that was the case.

[PCH]

Sorry Jeff,

can you elaborate ? What pin in my old phone? Is my current phone locked? Thanx for your help - you can tell I'm not the most up-to-date dude on the block gadget-wise :thumbsup:

[Davros]

An example that has me absolutely stoked is that when your on the phone and you pull it down from your ear to look at the screen it automatically activates the screen and has all of the buttons just waiting for you. My last phone you had to push a button then select the keypad function (twice) if thats what you wanted and then flick back to the phone screen manually just to select a key for an automatic menu. Thats the sort of small thing that makes it so usable and such a relief.

[Omaroo]

Dead right Mick - there are little touches all through the iPhone like this that add up to a device that is just lightyears ahead of any other phone. No contest.

I like to look at it as an exercise in successful industrial design, and implementation of the slickest human interface on any machine I've ever come across.

[Jeffkop]

Well Paul, if you dont have to enter a 4 digit PIN number to unlock your current phone (which you musnt ... else this would be clearer to you) then its simple as putting your SIM into the iPhone, After that I think the only hurdle is if you dont have the right version of iTunes on your PC .. (was my case) ... so its let iTunes update itself and your away.

Hope this makes sense

[Omaroo]

Once you mount your old SIM card, go to "Settings/Mail Contacts, Calendars/Import SIM Contacts" and you're mostly there.

[Jeffkop]

:lol::lol: Thanks for that info now Chris ... now that I have manually transferred them all over !!!!!

Still .. its timely info none the less ... my wifes will arrive any day and she has loads more numbers than I ... so :thanx: for the tip.

I just knew that a gadget with as many innovative features combined with a very user friendly interface would have something to make life easy in this respect.

[Omaroo]

LOL! One thing about the iPhone Jeff - if you think that something should work in a particular way - it most likely does.

[RB]

Thanks for the info Wavy.


You know I read everything H.
Thanks for the info.

[acropolite]

OK, a non Tragic's impression.

First let me say I've never been impressed with Apple's OS, too many things buried that you eventually discover with use, sorry guys, the intuitive descriptive simply doesn't wash with me.

I picked up an iPhone the other day, my initial impression is that it's very easy to use, quite intuitive, if a little inconsistent (operationally) at times.

I don't like the use of mechanical keys for home and sleep, those keys will wear out quickly I expect and I shudder to think of battery replacement.

The iTunes app I could do without, not intuitive at all for me, but I'll have to get used to it.

Browsing works nicely, much better than I expected once I got the hang of zooming, it's a bit like being in Ned Kelly's helmet, peering through a slot with zoom binoculars, but it works.

Setting up a pop email account was easy as was connection to Wi-Fi.

Tonight I uploaded some mp3's, easy enough when I "discovered" how (I hate reading manuals or doing tutorials).

I'm mildly annoyed that I can't get an iTunes account without divulging my credit card details (correct me if I'm mistaken).

The Airplane mode will be great when I fly, I'm curious as to whether I can rip some of my legit DVD movies for viewing inflight.

Overall I like my new toy and can't wait to get some apps in to it (once I work out how).

[Wavytone]

Mac users generally use an app called Handbrake to rip DVD's, it will rip, reformat to suit to AppleTV and/or iPhone, and transfer to iTunes. From there, set up iTunes so that the next time the iPhone is sync'd with iTunes, it will copy unwatched movies to iPhone... ... this will also remove the ones you have watched (to free up space). Im sure you will find a few PC equivalents.

To obtain apps:

a) use iTunes to search the store by category or keyword. Once you have them downloaded, the next time the iPhone is connected and synced it will transfer them to the iPhone

b) use the "App Store" app on the iPhone... this assumes your credit card details are already held at the store.

If you buy things on the iPhone, next time it syncs with iTunes, these will be copied back to iTunes (ie on your desktop computer) so that the master copy is held there, in case the unthinkable happens to your shiny new toy.

Effectively, iTunes is making sure the phone is backed up.

[Chillie]

I don't have an iPhone but I do have an iPod Touch.

If you don't want to give them your credit card details, get a debit card and set it up on a separate bank account. That is what I've done.

I also buy a few applications at a time with a total purchase price of around $10 give or take a few $.

[Davros]

i put up my card details to instigate the account then removed them once the account was active.

[RB]

Phil thanks for these observations, having never used any Apple products I wasn't aware you had to use iTunes and you have to divulge Credit Card details to them !

:(

[Omaroo]

In all fairness to Apple, I'm not sure Phil how else you think you'd be able to pay them for apps or music you'd buy? :shrug: It's like any other DES-3 encrypted secure transaction - ubiquitous in this day and age. At least you register with them once, and from that point forward you never have to mention your CC number over the net again. I don't think I've ever heard of Apple being accused of mis-managing anyones credit card, but the old adage stands - have a separate card for these sorts of transactions that is a low-limit Visa Debit card. I dont run any credit cards - at all. Never have, never will.

Having said that, there will be the inevitable one or two who'll come out of the woodwork who'd love to make a point of it that they were ripped off blind by Apple - just watch. :lol:

[tlgerdes]

Ok, to the people who are envious that I don't have an iPhone :P.

How the hell do you turn off the Voicemail button?

This is driving my wife nuts. She dosent have voicemail, and doesnt want voicemail, and there doesnt seem to be anyway to turn off the button and it is such a "convenient" place to always get pressed.:bashcomp:

[JimmyH155]

My brother went into a store and asked if they did an iphone that had a can opener attachment.:shrug:
They dont do one. Shock horror. That does it.. I will not get one either:P

[RB]

Ok, so I understand this correctly Chris, you register with them once, and from then on, do you only buy the apps through them, or is it like any other download on the web were you choose which app and then visit that app's web site to buy it from?
If it's only through Apple then I suppose that makes sense.
So iTunes is a sort of shopfront for all the iPhone apps?

See I've never used iTunes before and not sure how it all works.

:)

[acropolite]

I'd prefer either Paypal or the option of specifying my details if & when I make a purchase, the action of demanding a credit card to simply set up a user account is not in the best interests of security IMO.

The iTunes software asks me if I want to register my handset, then I am asked to create an account, handing over my credit card details.

That may be an acceptable practice to you Chris, but not to me.
IMO credit card details should only be retained for the lifetime of the transaction in question and not be stored for Apples (or anyone elses) convenience at the potential risk of my finances.

At the end of the day I'll have to submit, I have no choice.

[Omaroo]

Correct Andrew. The iTunes Apps Store is the single point of entry for all apps. It's strictly controlled, all apps go through some reasonably stringent quality control checks (I know - I've seen it done) and at the end of the day it makes it a far more controlled and familiar environment for you. Updates are all totally automatic (and often), so you never need to go back to individual publisher sites just to receive updates. It's very well designed and works extremely well.

[Omaroo]

Phil - you did the same with PayPal to begin with. You'd do the same for Amazon and a plethora of other shopfronts. If it doesn't suit you, I guess all I can say is don't partake.

[tlgerdes]

I think Steve Jobs has stolen Chris' identity, I thought something was phishy last week.:D:D

[Octane]

Also, just like eBay, PayPal, and every other credit card-related transaction on the web, if you get ripped off, lodge a case and you'll get your money back from your financial institution.

It's an inconvenience no doubt, but, you /are/ protected.

I'd be more concerned about buying astronomy gear from overseas than having my credit card details stored with Apple.

Andrew, yep, you buy/get apps straight through the App Store button on your phone, or through browsing iTunes on the PC.

Apple emails you an invoice (at least once a week) if you download or buy anything. It is all quite seamless.

Enjoy your new toys, gents!

H

[acropolite]

It's done, another weak link in my card security, just downloaded Tapatalk, works fantastically (as Chris said) on Ausphotography, come on Mike do the Vbulletin add on.

I must admit, the iPhone is an amazing gadget.

[PCH]

Hi Guys,

is it right that you cant do MMS messaging using the Apple iPhone 3GS? I've heard that pics have to be sent using email rather than via MMS.

Also, how long does a battery charge last (approx - in hours)?

[Octane]

Paul,

You can send MMS.

If I don't use mine, I can get a couple of days. If I use it heavily all day, it'll last around a day.

H

[Manav]

Hey H - I'll support you on this one, I was a big critic of the iphone and still am. I ended up getting the 3GS 32G model and must admit even though the device has its technical shortcomings the interface is simple way ahead of the competition. Now if only the google phone......

[Omaroo]

Yep - I'm using it on Ausphotography and found that Stargazers Lounge uses it as well. Work very well indeed. Just text without all the fluff. Photo attachments work well too.

[Omaroo]

Tapatalk - I've done it with our own society website - www.macastro.org.au, and it WORKS A TREAT!!!

Ours is phpBB3.0x, but the technique is the same for vBulletin. It's a five minute job. Fantastic!

Once you run Tapatalk - search for "Macarthur"...

Unfortunately, you need to be a society member to gain access, but it shows that it's easy to set up and use. :thumbsup:

[richardda1st]

Hi Norm, now look at what you started. Are you sure that this wasn't a ploy to advertise the Apple iphone, very sneaky:P.





Hi Henry, :) can you tell me if you are satisfied with the ipod touch regarding using it for astronomy. I would appreciate your comments.

1.Do you use "Starmap Pro" or something similar?

2.Are you able to read az/alt settings for a given object and if so is it updated in realtime.

3. Do you think the screen effects your dark adaption as does a laptop?

:thanx:
Richard

[norm]

Hi Richard,

No ploy at all;). Having said that I may end up being the biggest hyprocrite on the forum. Yes, I am now seriously considering in purchasing one in the weeks to come. The resistence is getting to much to bear:help:.

All you good folk out there (only cause I'm a bit lazy) are some newbie questions on the phone on how best to go about it:

1. I want to get one outright. Prefer no plans, but if so, what is the
absolute cheapest option available - based on the criteria below.
2. Can I use my existing sim (Telstra 3G) and stick it in (work pays for
my phone bills).
3. I don't really plan to use the internet features (ie, surf the web etc)
I really want it for the apps, listening to music, etc. and as a phone in general. Depending on the apps, I guess some need internet connectivity.
4. Are the prices the same in most places or do they vary?
5. 16gig or 32gig - what should I expect to pay?
6. Wifi - so does that mean I can sit in Maccas and surf the web for free or hook it into my home network?
7. I really just want the astronomy apps - do they need internet connection to work.

Any feedback appreciated. I'm embarassed to ask these, considering I'm in IT:P

Cheers, Norm

[Omaroo]

Norm

1. I want to get one outright. Prefer no plans, but if so, what is the
absolute cheapest option available - based on the criteria below.

Not sure about this one - you'll have to research this one yourself.

2. Can I use my existing sim (Telstra 3G) and stick it in (work pays for
my phone bills).

Yes, absolutely. This is what I did and it's seamless. Just import your SIM contents when you fire it up for the first time.

3. I don't really plan to use the internet features (ie, surf the web etc)
I really want it for the apps, listening to music, etc. and as a phone in general. Depending on the apps, I guess some need internet connectivity.

Apps will, if you access the AppStore app, update themselves automatically. Best to do this in a WiFi area and not over 3G. You still have to kick off the update download by selecting those you wish to do at the time - so you're safe from accidental data transfer. Some apps will like to talk to the net in order to download images, etc - or take you to a Wiki reference if you ask it to. Other than that - you can download apps and music and update them from your desktop if you prefer.


4. Are the prices the same in most places or do they vary?

You don't get apps from "places" perse - you get them all from the AppStore. Most app publishers will ask their own price - and depending on the complexity they range from free to over $100 for the navigation-type aps like TomTom and Navigon. Typical price is under $5 though for most apps - and even down to $1.99.

5. 16gig or 32gig - what should I expect to pay?

Not sure - not cheap off-plan though.

6. Wifi - so does that mean I can sit in Maccas and surf the web for free or hook it into my home network?

Yes. Absolutely. I surf all day long on mine via my Wifi home modem. I also call friends overseas via Skype-to-Skype for free. I'm also in IT and support all of my remote servers via SSH and RDP. Brilliant! :)

7. I really just want the astronomy apps - do they need internet connection to work.

Again - some do to go and get info that you've asked for. Mostly though - no. They work independently in the field.

[Liz]

Oooooh, sounds soo tempting Chris :) ... am on a cheapie $20 with telstra, but Iphones are Everywhere!!! This thread keeps me wanting ;) have played with a few, and wowowowow, so tempted.:)

[Chillie]

Sorry to be almost no help at all but I bought my iPod Touch as a replacement PDA. I did not buy it for astronomy.

I have several times set in World Clock. Melbourne (local time), London (for GMT), Houston (central time USA), New York (eastern time USA), and a couple of other times not related to NASA.

I also have the NASA app but that's it when it comes to astronomy.

Having said that, I have 3 full pages of apps.

You can adjust the brightness in settings. I do get dazzled by the screen when I check the weather when I'm in bed.

I've only had Wi-Fi at home for the last month. Before that, I used the free Wi-Fi at Maccas or an open Wi-Fi connection up the street.:whistle:

Sorry I couldn't help you more.

[acropolite]

Norm, I found the best way for me was on a $45 Telstra business plan (I needed to stay with Telstra).

I get $40 per month from my employer for mobile phone costs, I signed to a $45 business plan that gives $45 call credit, a miselry but probably adequate (I try to use WiFi most of the time) 150mb data download and the 32Gs for $399 extra, plus I took the bonus option of untimed landline calls, 20c only flagfall untimed anywhere in the country (some exclusions 13,12,1800)..

Given that outright the 32Gs phone costs around $1K that's good value for me.

[Wavytone]

The astronomy apps don't need an internet connection to work properly in most respects.

In StarMap Pro for example, if you have no link all it means is that it can't retrieve detailed data and images for an object from whatever source it uses, but the rest will work fine.

[norm]

Thanks Chris for your detailed response and others. I'll look into it more before committing, but its sounds pretty reasonable what the outlay is for what you get.:thumbsup:

Cheers Norm

[RB]

Good, I think it's the most sensible way to do it, I was hoping I understood that right.
Thanks for the info.



Sounds like a good deal Phil, something I need for my business too.

:thumbsup:

[richardda1st]

No problem Henry, thanks for your time.

[Omaroo]

I woke up feeling a little less groggy today - and attribute it (trying to! LOL!) to my iPhone. I downloaded a little progie called "Sleep App".

You set your alarm clock to wake you up "around" whatever time (I wanted 6:00am), and place your phone behind your pillow. Its accelerometer monitors your tossing and turning pattern and graphs your sleep pattern in real time as it's charging.

It then wakes you with a nice little melody when it thinks that you've been in a deep sleep for a measured amount of time and you're approaching "light sleep" again. Theory is that if it wakes you at the right part of the cycle you wake up more refreshed.

I'll run it for a few nights and see it it really works! :)

See attached stats page from last night. It'll be interesting to gather some stats over a week. I'll also try forcing myself into going to bed at around (groan.....) 10:00pm tonight to see what happens. More sleep I'm thinking.... :)

http://www.lexwarelabs.com/sleepcycle/

[MrB]

Dunno what the problem is with registering for iTunes?
I left the credit card details field blank and continued on to register... no problems at all.

[Octane]

OK,

That's just scary. This app works. :eyepop:

Also, I couldn't believe how sensitive it is -- the accelerometer picks up the slightest of local movement on my bed (queen-sized pillow top mattress).

I was amazed when analysing the graph this morning how regular my movements were throughout the night.

Thank you for this brilliant find, Chris.

I feel wonderful this morning!

H

[Vartigy]

Richard, I think I can help with this question as I use my iPod Touch for Astro.

There are two main apps people use for Astro with the Touch or Phone and that is Distant Suns or Starmap Pro. Distant suns has a FREE version called Distant Suns Lite and it's perfect for all but the most professional of us amatuers. And yes, it updates in Real time. Just have to input your time/zone and long/lat into its settings.

The only downside about the Touch compared to the phone is there is no link to GPS as such you cannot use the 'autopoint' feature. Where if you hold the Touch/Phone up at a particular angle on a particular bearing it WILL NOT show you that particular region of the sky. With the iPhone, you CAN.:thumbsup:

2.Are you able to read az/alt settings for a given object and if so is it updated in realtime. I've only got experience with Distant Suns Lite and yes. When you move your view around with the simple touch and drag method, it shows you what alt/azi you are on. Also if you centre your view (mainly with the targetting crosshair feature turned on) it will show you the details of the object you are looking at, including its Alt/Azi.

Do you think the screen effects your dark adaption as does a laptop? Not that I've noticed. Then again, even though my town has dark skys, my eyes are never fully adjusted to darkness due to only having left the house lights within half hr or so, most times. But, you CAN dim the level of brightness of your Touch or Phone from what I understand.

Hope that helps. Enjoy :thumbsup:

[richardda1st]

Thanks Aaron, sounds okay.
Very envious of your dark skies at Kalgoorlie.:P

Richard:thumbsup:

[Lonnie]

I very rarely spend more than $50 a year on phone calls from my mobile and have been using my old nokia for years. I was also against all the bragging about the iphone UNTIL I got one myself. It really is the best thing since sliced bread.
All the functions not to mention the best astronomy apps ie starmap pro and other features just blew me away. I have had it for a week now and still havent made a phone call from it.
New convert to Iphone

Thankyou Mr Apple

[Jen]

:lol::lol: LOL Lonnie

I was wondering can you actually make calls and text on these things too hahahaha :P

[Chillie]

Jen, they aint called iPhones for nothing.:lol: However, they're not cheap either. If you get one on a plan, you would want to be making a lot of phone calls to justify the high cost of the plan. The other method is to buy the iPhone outright then go on the plan of your choice.

There are several models of iPhone too. Check them out at your local Telstra Shop.

BTW I don't have an iPhone. I have a 8Gb iPod Touch that can run most (but not all) the apps that an iPhone can.