What is this Blue Object??????

[Striker]

Hi All...

Just wondering what this blue image is right beside the star Formalhaut out of focus.

I think this focus shot was taken 2 night ago.

[ballaratdragons]

:confused: Looks like Neptune! I'll have to check Cartes Du Ciel.
If it is, it is a nice clear pic of it!!

[ving]

nfi tony... looks like a planetary. have to check it out.

[ballaratdragons]

According to Cartes Du Ciel it appears to be the Star 18 Epsilon PsA.

[PhotonCollector]

I don't think Uranus would stray that far from the ecliptic.
It's looks like Fomalhaut's companion star that I use to get good focus.

What Field of View is the image ?

Paul M

[ballaratdragons]

Both Uranus & Neptune are nearby but not that close. It would have to be a very wide angle shot to get either of them in.

EDIT: My mistake, it is the Star HR 8740

[Striker]

FOV...haha as if I would know.....lol

was taken with my C11 at 1900 Focal length with canon 20DA sct prime focus....

So what ever that adds up too...lol

This is an uncropped image so it show's the full FOV through the Canon

The thing is I took another shot last night before the clouds moved in again and it was much higher but in a northerly position instead of S/East as per the original image.

[ballaratdragons]

Tony, if the Blue object has moved then it must be Neptune and the bright star is '23 Theta Capricornus'.

That's the best I can work out.

[Striker]

But the planets dont go anywhere near Formalhaut...

Here is last night focus pics before the clouds come in.

[h0ughy]

Hipparcos Catalogue Number: 113532


Main Catalogue Descriptors
HIP ID................... : 113532

Proximity Flag........... :

RA (J2000)............... : 22:59:35.76

DEC (J2000).............. : -29:27:44.35

RA (J1991.25)............ : 22 59 35.76(h/m/s) ± 0.68mas

DEC (J1991.25)........... : -29 27 44.4(d/m/s) ± 0.52mas

V Mag.................... : 5.51

V?....................... : 1

Source of V Mag.......... : H

Main Mission Astrometric Data
RA (J1991.25)............ : 344.89901144(deg) ± 0.68mas

DEC (J1991.25)........... : -29.46232352(deg) ± 0.52mas

Reference Flag........... :

Parallax................. : 8.90 ± 0.80 mas

PM (RA).................. : -6.77 ± 0.79 mas/yr

PM (DEC)................. : 5.15 ± 0.60 mas/yr

F1....................... : 0

F2....................... : 2.16

BT....................... : 5.821 ± 0.004

VT....................... : 5.535 ± 0.004

Reference flag........... :

B-V...................... : 0.271 ± 0.006

Source of B-V............ : T

V-I...................... : 0.310 ± 0.010

Source of V-I............ : L

Combined Magnitude....... :

Hp....................... : 5.5777 ± 0.0014

Scatter.................. : 0.012

N........................ : 87

Reference Flag........... :

Main Mission Variability
Hp Max................... : 5.56

Hp Min................... : 5.60

Period................... : 0.12

V........................ : P (Type of variability)

Variability Annex........ : 1

Photometric Data......... : Hipparcos Photometry

C........................ : A (light curve?)

Multiplicity Data
CCDM..................... : --------

Historical Status........ :

Number of Entries........ : 0

Number of Components..... : 1

Double/Multiple Solutions :

Astrometry Source........ :

Solution Quality......... :

Component ID's........... :

Theta.................... : ----

Rho...................... :

Magnitude Diff........... :

Miscellaneous
Survey Star.............. : S

Chart.................... :

General Notes............ :

Double/Multiple Notes.... :

Photometric Notes........ :

HD/HDE/HDEC.............. : 217236

DM (BD).................. :

DM (CoD)................. : C-30 19383

DM (CPD)................. : P-30 6687

V-I for reductions....... : 0.28

Sp. Type................. : F0V

Source of Sp. Type....... : 3

Other Links for the Target
Simbad................... : Query Simbad Database

HST...................... : Query HST Archive

JCMT..................... : Query JCMT Archive

ESO...................... : Query ESO Archive

La Palma................. : Not Implemented

UKIRT.................... : Not Implemented

DSS...................... : DSS Image

IRAS..................... : IRAS Image

GSC...................... : GSC Stars

USNO..................... : USNO Stars

UBV Photometry........... : UBV Photometry

UBVRI Photometry......... : UBVRI Photometry

uvby Photometry.......... : uvby Photometry

Geneva Photometry........ : Geneva Photometry

[h0ughy]

On second thoughts, i think that it may be internal reflection of a very bright object caught by the camera. i take it the images that you took were of different lengths in seconds. the longer the exposure the brighter the object, and slightly offset from centre the greater the chance of getting it (maybe)

[Striker]

Hmmmmm

Still not convinced.

I say I discovered something....but dont know what...lol...well I wish

[ving]

is there a comet in the area?

[h0ughy]

Simple, take a few images tonight of the same area, and see if we can also take some pictures of it and all see what we get. (we have clouds and storms forcast tonight but I will see what I can do) Can anyone provide a picture of this area of sky?

[Striker]

I will try but storms are predicted every night this week.

But if I get peak through some clouds I will take another picture.

[Xeelee]

Mmmmmm, storms, good for rain and the odd cool day not much else unfortunately

[acropolite]

Had a good look at SNP and the star pattern around both Neptune & Uranus isn't really recognisable on your image so maybe you have discovered something Tony, Too big an area to be hot pixels and in the wrong place as well. It's moving so it can't be a star. If you get a shot at it again can you post the RA and Dec so we can have a look.

[atalas]

Its got to be an Asteroid Tony ! check them for the nights you took the shots .

[Stu]

It's a space ship!:ship2:


:scared3:

[atalas]

:lol:

[[1ponders]]

This is observational astronomy. Keep the spam out thanks.

[h0ughy]

Tony

Not sure but I got the same thing in my shot too, apologies for the streaks, I dropped the bulb!

Edit: you can see the "blue" thing easily in the second shot

[Striker]

Thanks Huffy...


I couldn't get out last night....was blowing gale force.

Please if anyone else can have a look....it turned up easily in my shots...only 2-4 second image at iso 800...just point it at formalhaut and you will get it.

Is that second picture include the bright star Formalhaut Dave...it hasn't moved too far then.

I'm calling it Striker's planetry until someone can tell me otherwise....lol

[h0ughy]

Yes Tony! ;)

[tornado33]

It could possibly be internal reflection, as it seems to be roughly equal distance from the center of the image as Formalhaut, though I couldnt be 100% sure
Scott

[ving]

hi scott... it would seem tho that both tony nd david have the same internal reflection. :confused:

I am going to check it out on thursday if the weather permits... :fingerscrossed: <--we need that one!

tony, if you say it has moved it would sugest a comet rather than a planetary neb wouldnt it?

[digitaljedi]

Hi guys,

Looking at this and trying to figure it out. How far is the "blue" object from Fomalhaut in the image?

In my planetarium software, the helix nebula is within 10 deg of this star. Could it be that?

[ballaratdragons]

Tony, it could be an Asteroid! Have a look at this link and you will see where all the asteroids are and how easy it would be to pick one up!!
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/InnerPlot.html

[Striker]

Jesus.....Ken....lol

Ving My planetry moves.

Until someone can tell me it's not Striker's Planetry that moves I'm sticking with it...lol

Chris...its not the helix nebula...that's about another 10 frames away and is way to dark to appear in such a short exposure...I wish it was as the helix took me ages to find.

[ving]

i still say its a comet tony. it moves so its not a planetary :P

ken, i havent seen manys ateriods but i have seen some. they were all white in the eyepiece and didnt have a faint blue halos around them like this.

[atalas]

Yes David,but that's at the eyepiece could be a different matter imaged in a digital camera !

[atalas]

Ok Tony,try this on for size ..... Minor Planet- 2000 HY83.... at the moment It is 22.34' from Fomalthaut -NE , RA: 22h58m50" Dec: -29*15"49"
or
1999 CX1- at 55'.56" west from Fomalhaut
RA: 22h54m25" Dec: -29*04"14"

[h0ughy]

clear skies here now, try again tonight, anyone else trying for this???

[Striker]

cloudy here again tonight.

Minor planet...I dont understand....what happened to my moving planetry.

[ballaratdragons]

It's one of those dots on the 'inner solar system map' I showed you. It's an Asteroid Minor Planet thingy.
It's got to be, there is nothing else showing up on any sky maps.

[h0ughy]

nothing was there, no planets, no asteriods, no satellites, just some internal reflection of some type. I have just done an extensive search thought Starry night Pro and matched the star patterns to the photo and there is nothing there.

[atalas]

Houghy how long was your shots ? the asteroids I metioned are 16th and 17th mag !
and they would of move from the co-ordinates I gave early on .

[acropolite]

I don't believe it's an internal reflection, I have images with internal reflections and they sure don't look like that. It's not a pixel problem either otherwise it would be in the same place on the image each time.

[h0ughy]

the second and closer one is 98.6 seconds iso 400 the first one is 135.9 seconds iso 400

[beren]

:confuse3: Still think Houghys idea is correct , i sometimes get these blue UFOs on frames but mostly with my 2 zoom lenses .... :)

[atalas]

Interesting , every time you put your camera in your scope and take an image would the camera be in the exact orientation every time ? Its starting to look more like Its an internal reflection ,would explain the movent If the camera wasn't in the same position for every shot . Also as the star moves lower down, the angle the star light hits the camera might change the position of a reflection in the camera .

[PhotonCollector]

I loaded your image and stretched the levels, cropped the strange object and did a 3x enlargement on it to get the two images I attached.

Well it certainly doesn't appear to be an astronomical object.

Paul.

[ving]

is it a doughnut?

[PhotonCollector]

yes i thought that too! However, I have a Canon 300D and when I see doughnuts on it, they never look anything like that!

The enlargement seems to show concentric rings !! And the bright spot at centre almost looks like a secondary mirror (a tad out of collimation) !! ??

Paul

[Striker]

Interesting Paul....

I just wish I could have some clear sky to take some more images....

Even off other bright stars.

Looks like my moving planetry is not looking any good anymore.....lol

[[1ponders]]

Tony, before you posted those images did you crop them at all. If so can you upload the uncropped images. I'd like to see where your "blue planetary" is situated spacially on the chip in each exposure.

Also can you post your exact times for when you took the shots eg 8:30 PM 25/10/05. You can get that info if you right click on the original image in windows explorer,
select properties,
then the summary tab,
then advanced at the bottom right of the properties box.

If you then scroll to the bottom of the images list, Date and Time Taken will show up before the description section. This will be helpful, assuming your camera has the right date and time set :P

[[1ponders]]

Oh and if your home now check your camera time against the time at the bottom of the page here. Just to check :)

[Striker]

Paul,

The second uncropped image I posted was 22nd October 2005 9:53pm

This one.

I have checked the date & time...its correct...but it could be a minute or 2 out at the most.

All other pictures have been edited so no time or date available.

[[1ponders]]

:eek: You don't keep your originals uneditted and save the modified ones as different images:eek:

Are the others uncropped and at the same focal length/magnification?

[Striker]

Yes I do Paul...but at the time these were just focus images...nothing special....

The others would be the same focal length but they could have been different rezolution as I was playing around with DSLR focus image quality settings.

I might have more originals on my observatory computer.

[janoskiss]

It's a fake. Well done. You had us all going there for a while, Tony! :lol:

[[1ponders]]

If you wouldn't mind would you zip up the originals (jpeg would be fine as long as they haven't been cropped) and email them to me at my yahoo address. I'd like to have a close look at them and have a bit of a play with them. They were all taken at prime focus with your celestron and a Focal reducer, right?

[acropolite]

Tony, if you can capture again, swinging the OTAso the star moves to a different point in the FOV should prove if it's a reflection. If the blue Unidentified Object stays put, relative to the star, then it's can't be an internal reflection....:camera: