Unbelievable

[astroron]

To think this sort of thing goes on in a modern country beggars belief:screwy:
This post is not anti religious:)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/12/2653111.htm?section=world

[Omaroo]

Modern tools Ron, and ancient ideals. Sometimes I don't believe that we have really come all that far as a species over the last 2000 years.

[renormalised]

We haven't, Chris. That's why the world's in the mess it's in.

Anyway, what if it was anti-religious to have a go at this sort of silliness. What's so wrong about that. This "tread carefully, lest you upset their sensibilities" nonsense is just that...nonsense. Yes, everyone has a right to believe in what they like, but when you see that what is being believed is nothing more than a load of rubbish and nothing more than superstitious fantasy, then you have every right to come out and say so. If these people were so sure of their own faith and sure of its ultimate validity, it wouldn't matter what you said. It shouldn't even concern or upset them. They should know better and just ignore you. The reason why people get on their high horses over religion and start slanging matches, fights and wars is despite all the rhetoric and bluster, and their professions of faith, deep down they're not so sure themselves. They don't want their cosy little worlds to come tumbling down and their lives supposedly invalidated by the questioning and/or loss of their cherished notions. Just goes to show you how insecure they really are.

[astroron]

Thanks Carl, I only threw that in at the last moment in case someone starts asking the thread to be banned as it was a anti religion post:sadeyes:

[dugnsuz]

Crazy, but at least they ain't blowing **** up!!!!

[Ric]

I got a chuckle out of that one, but then again if it makes the general public happy..........

[avandonk]

I will believe when they can get rid of the constant clouds in Melbourne.

Bert

[Robh]

What if it works?

Regards, Rob

[Octane]

Was there really any need to post this? If you think about it, how is it any different to people believing in horoscopes, crystal skulls, wire pyramids, etc., which all go on in modern countries, too?

No offence intended, Ron, but, even though you mentioned it's not an anti-religion post, it still incites inflammatory responses which realistically have no place on this forum.

Regards,
Humayun

[dpastern]

This is what I find so interesting about people - some people insist on having the right to their views and freedoms, etc, but then ALSO insist that as part of their rights, they can impose upon others to NOT have their own views which might contradict etc. This inability to simply let others say their bit is amazing. If people don't like something, don't read it! Walk away. Spank your inner moppet. Whatever.

Just because someone might get upset is not a reasonable reason imho. Grow a thicker skin. Ignore it.

Dave

[Octane]

Hi Dave,

I insist on nothing. Freedom of speech is fine, but, is this posting absolutely necessary? In my eyes, no. YMMV.

Regards,
Humayun

[renormalised]

What post is absolutely necessary??

Think about it.

[Octane]

All the astronomy ones. :P

Regards,
Humayun

[astroron]

Humayan wrote,No offence intended, Ron, but, even though you mentioned it's not an anti-religion post, it still incites inflammatory responses which realistically have no place on this forum.


It is only inflammatory if you choose to make it so:sadeyes:

[Baron von Richthofen]

And all there names were leuwigaj the unbelievably

[renormalised]

Don't you mean Yehudi ben Mazal Tov:P:D:D

[matt]

:rofl::rofl:

Funny story.

We could use a few of those fellas in amongst the Aussie supporters at the Oval for the 5th test...playing their trumpets.

Just dress them in green and gold....and away they go!

No offence intended. Just enjoying a little mirth.:)

[M54]

I think they have their country's best interests at heart and as long as they don't shove their beliefs down anyone else's throat I think they are entitled to their way of seeing things, just like we're entitled to ours.

I also think science vs. religion is stupid. Us and them.
:)

[AstralTraveller]

I recall a story from the Old Testament about some bloke who walked round a walled city blowing trumpets until the walls fell down. I would have though with that in mind one would be a bit reluctant to start blowing trumpets in an aircraft :P.

"This is your captain speaking. Our wings have just dropped off. Thank's rabbi!"

[renormalised]

They were just stress testing the aircraft....albeit whilst it was in flight!!!!:eyepop::P:P:D:D

[Robh]

I agree. And I think science and religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Regards, Rob

[Robh]

In regard to the article, it is newsworthy, people are entitled to an opinion and some may perhaps be amused. But we must be careful not to overstep the mark into cultural and religious ridicule. It is the epitome of arrogance to assume our own views on either science or religion are infallible.

Regards, Rob

[GrahamL]

I must wear my reading glasses more at this small monitor , I read that as flying rabbits first go .

[Darth Wader]

Not sure about flying rabbits, but I can see the Israeli newspaper headlines tomorrow:

PLANE LOAD OF RABBIS, MYSTICS INTERCEPTED BY FLYING PIGS WHILST TRYING TO WARD OFF SWINE FLU

[renormalised]

That's not very kosher, you know:P:P:D:D

[Jules76]

Hehe that's what I did too. I had visions of rabbits being fired into the sky by cannons. :lol:


I love the irony. The Rabbi's can't accept scientific fact that the spread of the virus is biological, yet happily jump into a plane which defies the law of gravity thanks to technology developed through science.

Or perhaps I'm missing the group at the back whose prayers are allowing the plane to fly? :P

[renormalised]

It's not the rabbis praying keeping the plane flying...it's the angels tied to the wings that make the plane fly:P:D

[dpastern]

Yes, but the problem is one major religion (I won't name it) has a habit of forcing ITS beliefs down everyones throats. Some examples:

1) even a man of muslim faith is not able to have more than 1 wife in Australia. It's HIS religion. Why can't he? Doesn't the "law" interfere and not respect his religious beliefs?

2) Gay marriage? Love is love, irrespective of the sex of the lovees. Yet, it's not legal for 2 gays to get married. Marriage is a symbol of love. Yes, love. And respect for each other.

I'm pagan and you wouldn't believe the white lies about this religious belief that a certain other religion spreads. I find it even more amusing since said other religion bases nearly all of its religious holidays on pagan ones. And stole a good deal of ideas from us as well.

I find it a bit of the pot calling the kettle black to be honest. Said religion demands immunity from illegal activities (say, no women bishops, that's *discrimination*). They are above the law it seems.

The problem is that religions are a competition, and thus, they tend to not live will with each other. Enough said.

Dave

[CoombellKid]

I thought Jews didn't like swine.... must be terrifying for them:whistle:

Cheers,CS

[jjjnettie]

Have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A Heinlein, David?
You'd get a good giggle out of it.;)

[CoombellKid]

That wasn't all they stole.... one jesus type figure + 12 loyal followers,
40 days and 40 nights rain/flood, parting of the seas, the breaking of a
few loaves of bead and a few fish to feed thousands. Can all be found
in storries dating back some 4000years or was it 3500years prior to the
jesus rehash.

Cheers,CS

[rider]

You possibly are unaware of the imminent arrival of the great white handkerchief, and its affect on the Great Green Arkleseisure (out of who's holy nose was sneesed the universe).

[iceman]

Well as expected this thread went off course and now it seems to be an opportunity for people to say whatever they like about any religion.

IceInSpace has rules in place about discussion of certain topics because this inevitably happens.

"Because people might get upset" is a perfectly legitimate reason to have rules in place, in a community where the topics and subjects are about "astronomy", not religion, politics, etc.

Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean you get to say what you want and be damned with what other people think. In the 'real world', and in any other 'real life' community (eg: a room full of people from diverse backgrounds), I wonder whether people would be so open about their criticisms without worrying what people would think and say back to you.