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Darth Wader
23-06-2009, 09:20 PM
I need a little advice in relation to a topic that is, I'm sure, close to all our hearts.

One of my neighbours, perhaps encouraging a nocturnal evolutionary path for the human race, has decided that the dim glow of the stars is offensive and needs to be washed out by two porch lights so bright that moths burst into flames upon crossing the fence line. This has been achieved by disabling the sensor on these lights and allowing them to remain on permanently, seemingly for the benefit of the entire neighbourhood. This person has also rather gallantly decided to cut down the tree obscuring a third light in order to share it with his neighbours, in case any of us required a nightlight so bright that one could read a book by it from behind drawn curtains with a blanket over their head. This new arrangement will be fantastic when my baby is born - now I'll be able to spend the whole night holding her while we're both wide awake! These glorious beacons in the night have also been instrumental in ensuring that the local wildlife become even more disheveled by human encroachment upon their habitat, which is truly entertaining when the birds delightfully begin to sing two hours before the sun comes up. Now we don't need alarm clocks, hurrah! As an added bonus, hunting DSO's in my backyard has just become so much more challenging! Why would I want to go to a dark sky site when I can hold a "highly improbable Messier hunt" right here in my backyard? No more hunting for supermassive stars people, I've already discovered the three brightest objects in the Universe - Alpha, Beta and Gamma Pollutis!

I would love to make my local council aware of his deeds but I don't know if it's perhaps wiser to leave him a note reminding him of the services he provides. I don't want to speak to him personally for fear that the light particles emitted by other devices in his home may be so intense they would destroy me upon setting foot on the stoop.

In all seriousness, I'm reluctant to address this person face to face because I've had run-ins with less than savoury neighbours in the past about things like barking dogs and rubbish, which have ended in retaliation (I know I sound like the neighbourhood crank, but I assure you I'm really not!). It's not nice. These lights shine right into our nursery and even though I've exaggerated a lot, they really are very bright and disruptive, which also impedes my stargazing abilities. The lights are on every single night.

What would you do, leave an anonymous note politely asking him to turn them off when not in use, then contact the council if there is no improvement, or just contact the council first?

mswhin63
24-06-2009, 07:39 PM
Suburbia is such a isolating place, many neighbours don't care anymore. I would consider addressing the shire first to find out the by laws and whether they are in breach of them.

Make a decision from there, making complaints is such a major undertaing now-a-days and it is so difficult to know which is the best way to go.

Nearly all shire make it relativly easy for the neighbour to know who is making the complaint, another difficult issue.

The other avenue is whether a filter will work, instead. I am currently wondering if that is the best way to go to keep the peace.

Terry B
24-06-2009, 08:22 PM
A brick filter maybe.:rofl:

In seriousness just ask them stating your reasons. The retalaitions coudn't be much worse than your crying baby keeping them up all night.

Nesti
24-06-2009, 08:25 PM
Sleep deprivation is an age-old torture technique.

Why don't you establish your own habit, like playing Edith Piaf at 120dB through outdoor speakers whenever your neighbors' Red Dwarfs are scorching brickwork. When your neighbor of choice complains, offer a simple solution.

If that doesn't work, make sure that when your new born is crying, you comfort the little one as close to your neighbor's fence as possible - everyone loves the midnight shrill of a sleepless baby, so share the love! You can work on your tan while you're at it.

Cheers
Mark

TrevorW
24-06-2009, 09:23 PM
Turn off and disconnect everything electrical in you house.

Make a EMP device of significant power

Activate it

HAVE fun

;)

bloodhound31
24-06-2009, 10:12 PM
The old Army side of me is so ingrained I immediately think, ".17 caliber Air rifle".

The more mature, calm and pacifist me says, "Most people are pretty reasonable if you think it out and approach them politely and non aggressively." Perhaps invite them over for a night's viewing at some nice DSO's and put on a pot of coffee and Tim-Tams.

Baz.

rider
25-06-2009, 07:38 AM
I have the same problem, I keep it under control with a very large black backed bunnings tarp and a few tent poles.
Works a treat for keeping night-sight, and I don't have confront the barely civilized natives.
(But unfortunately it does nothing to improve the 6 100 foot high palm trees which obscure the entire southern sky including Omega Cent. and Tuc depending on the season) - oh well, cant have everything.

Rider

jjjnettie
25-06-2009, 08:06 AM
Hmm, it's a dilemma all right.
My neighbours still leave their lights on till the early morning hours. Even after explaining quite politely about how it affects my hobby.
So I live with it. I setup behind a shed mostly, which blocks the light, and the northern horizon.
If I'm to image to the north, I set up on my observatory pad and then I just suck it up and do the best I can. Saving any imaging in that quarter for when I'm at Cambroon.
These neighbours are the best ones we've ever had, and apart from being night owl with bright lights and no blinds, they are sane and friendly and helpful, I don't want to rock the boat.

Darth Wader
25-06-2009, 08:18 AM
:lol:

Believe me I have had my little daydreams about this scenario!

Nesti
25-06-2009, 02:25 PM
Yeah, 'crack-thump'. :D

Lester
25-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Struthe, some of the things you chaps have to put up with.

Communication is the best way I know to sort out problems. Agression breeds agression.

All the best.

solissydney
25-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Each year council's count how many complaints they receive regarding for instance; noise, barking dogs a s o. The more letters they receive regarding obtrusive lighting the better. Be passive, nothing will happen.
Ken

lacad01
25-06-2009, 03:00 PM
Was in a similar situation, probably not as bad as here but I had the opportunity to speak to my neighbours about it and they were quite apologetic about it and are sensitive to the fact that I don't need stray light spoiling my fun. :)
Have attached a thread from Cloudy Nights to show what some poor guy has to put up with his neighbour, landling-light style yard lights shining right into his place :mad2:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2817078/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

rogerg
25-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Might help seeing if other neighbours agree with you so that you can provide a united front or at least them ready as backup supporters.

It is a very unfortunate situation to be in. I hate dealing with neighbours.

Roger.

TrevorW
25-06-2009, 03:17 PM
Unidirectional EMP pulse device

http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

Science is a wonderful thing

bloodhound31
25-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Stop it! I'm having flashbacks....TAKE COVER!!! INCOMIIIIINNNGGGG!!!:screwy:

solissydney
25-06-2009, 05:52 PM
So how about it? Will it be a letter to the council?

Darth Wader
25-06-2009, 06:56 PM
I'm going to give them a call in the morning, enough is enough. Thanks for all your input! Only one of the three is on tonight but it's still bright enough to light up my entire yard.



:rofl:
Seriously LMAO!

solissydney
25-06-2009, 07:37 PM
Some terms to use in a letter to council that will be on record.

Discomfort, causing annoyance, spill light, glare, obtrusive effects, beyond relevant boundary, stray light outside boundary, disability glare, does not comply with Australian Standard AS 4282, wasting energy sending light beyond the intended property, over lighting, glare spots, unshielded, direct view of the bright part of the light.

You are welcome to email me (privately) a draft letter for me to edit for you
solissydney@telstra.com