South Pacific Star Party 2009 (22 - 24 May)

[Paul Hatchman]

I'm pleased to announce that registrations are open for this year's South Pacific Star Party.

The South Pacific Star Party is the highlight event of the Astronomical Society of NSW and a great opportunity to relax in the company of other amateurs from around Australia and overseas and to observe the multitude of great objects the winter night sky has to offer.

This year we have two renowned guest speakers, Dr Charlie Lineweaver and Prof. Fred Watson.

Other events include the annual Telescope Makers Competition and the Astrophotography Competition. Astronomy Workshops for "Juniors" (Scale Model of the Solar System) and for "Seniors" (Stellar Evolution) will also be held over the weekend as will the popular nightly sky tours.

Please visit http://asnsw.com/spsp/invitation.asp for further information.

I hope to see you there.

Regards,

Paul Hatchman
Vice President ASNSW.

[Rodstar]

I can't wait to hear Fred Watson. He should be fantastic.

[Inmykombi]

Same here Rod, It will be a real treat to hear Fred Watson Speak.

I am all registered to go as well.:thumbsup:

Geoffro.

[h0ughy]

yep paid and getting the gear ready

[shahgazer]

Booked my flight ticket already! Yes, finally I will get the taste of real star party. Will be looking forward to see you guys there!

Paul, I was about to register the event online, but the online registration form is still offline. As I am way of here in Kuala Lumpur, I felt safer to register online rather than posting my cheque. Will be be available in time?

Regards
-Shah-
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Sash,

Glad you can make it!

The online registration should be working OK. If you are still having issues with it could you email webmaster@asnsw.com. Lachlan should be able to sort you out straight away.

Cheers,

Paul.

[shahgazer]

What time usually is the talk from the guest speakers? And is there any detail itenary (e.g what time for which event ) for the workshops and daytime activities during from Friday to Sunday? I need some idea to work out with my tight schedule in Australia.

Thanks for the help.

Best regards

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Shah,

I hope you managed to get your registration through sucessfully. Let me know if you are still having difficulties. A registration kit should be going out to everyone soon, including the full itinery.

Just so you are aware, Wiruna is about 3 hours drive from Sydney and at least a 1 car journey to the nearest populaton centres. I'm not sure what else you are planning to do during those 3 days, but most people spend the entire weekend on site and leave on the Sunday morning.

I can tell you that Fred Watson will be speaking on Friday and Charlie Lineweaver on Saturday. But please keep an eye on your email and the registration kit will be with you as soon.

Cheers,

Paul.

[Paul Hatchman]

Please note that to be eligible for the discounted early registration fee, your registrations must be received before the 2nd of May.

The $10 discount applies to both ASNSW members and non-members.

Quit dragging your feet. Save yourself some cash and register today.

Regards,

Paul Hatchman
Vice President
ASNSW.

[shahgazer]

Hi Paul,

I've registered this afternoon, and hope it gets through! I've emailed to Lachlan about it as well.

:thumbsup:

Regards
-Shah-

[Omaroo]

Yep - I'm registered and paid-up. Can't wait! See you blokes there on the Friday!

[norm]

Booked up and counting down the days!:P:thumbsup:

Man, its gonna be cold:campfire::cold:!

[White Rabbit]

Hi Guys.

I'm in, I'll start compiling the list of questions I have now heh!!

It will be good to put some names to the faces.

Can anyone tell me if there is a train station near by. I'll be coming up on the friday afternoon but my girlfriend cant join me until saturday and rather than drive two cars she could get the train up and I'll can pick her up at the station.

thanks
Sandy

[Paul Hatchman]

Hey Sandy,
The nearest station will be at Lithgow, which is about a 1 hour drive. But there is also a bus service to Ilford, which is only 10-15 minutes drive from Wiruna.

Take a look at the countrylink site http://www.countrylink.info/. There is a train from central at 7:10 am, which connects to a coach arriving in Ilford at 11:03 am.

Cheers.

[Paul Hatchman]

Yes, it was chilly even last weekend. Many of us go to Wiruna all year round and the cold is easy to deal with if you take a few precautions.

Obviously bring gloves and beanie.

Rubber soled boots, or if you must wear sneakers then allow for 3 layers of thick, wool socks. Cold feet are a leading cause of an early night.

Dress in layers. Thermals and then 4-5 layers of clothes. This way you can dress for the correct temperature

Bring a wind-proof jacket and pants. It's often not the temperature, but the wind chill that gets you.

Lastly, your sleeping gear. Ideally bring a sleeping bag that can do -5. If it is colder that that you can make up for it by wearing more clothes. If you've only got a light sleeping bag, bring 2 and use one as a blanket, or bring a thick blanket to use on top of your bag. Or preferably do both, just in case.

Always, always, always bring a sleeping mat, preferrably foam. Air matresses transfer the cold from the ground to you very quickly. A foam mat will make a big difference.

A few of us have gone to freezer suits and they do work quite well to protect from both the cold and the wind. And there is always the kitchen and hall, with wood fires and 24hr tea & coffee.

Cheers,

Paul.

[sheeny]

Oh well... looks like I'll miss SPSP again this year.:sadeyes:

I've been holding off deciding until my call roster for work came out, which I now have, and... you guessed it... I'm on call for the week around SPSP. I was considering coming up to camp and socialise and look at other people's scopes but now it looks like that'll have to wait.

Have a great weekend anyway guys!

(I know you will!;))

Al.

[CoolhandJo]

This will be my second Star Party ever! Really looking forward to it, but.....What is the long range weather forecast? Would be a real shame if it rained/cloudy etc..

[Omaroo]

This one suggests it may be OK Paul:

http://weather.farmonline.com.au/long-range-forecast/28-day-rain/nsw/central-tablelands

Here's hoping...:thumbsup:

[Big Dave]

I'm in :thumbsup:

[Inmykombi]

My registration pack just arrived.

Only a cuppla weeks to go.

Sounds like we better pack the "woolies " too.

See you all there.

[h0ughy]

oh yeah - and the hot water bottles, thermal boots etc;)

[Kimbo]

I was up there 10 days ago, the thermometer in the kitchen read 3deg ... & that didn't including the wind chill factor!!!

:windy:


:cold::cold::cold::cold: RUG UP EVERYONE :cold::cold: :cold::cold:

[GTB_an_Owl]

thats what i like to hear Kim

tell em all how cold it is gunna be up there :lol: :thumbsup:

geoff

[RB]

Looks like I'll be missing out again this year. :sad:
Don't think I'll make it due to work commitments.

Hope you all have a great time and clear skies (get you're freezer suits ready).

[Paul Hatchman]

Well, it is only a few more weeks until the South Pacific Star Party. Preperations are almost complete and information kits have now been sent out to attendees.

Please drop me a PM if you've registered and not received anything.

If you'd like a "17th Annual South Pacific Star Party" t-shirt please pre-order it before the star party so as not to be disappointed on the day. And since my wife designed the t-shirt this year, I know you will all want to get at least 2 or 3.

See you there,

Paul Hatchman
Vice President
ASNSW

[AussieAaron]

Oh wow, I would love to attend this Starparty, Really sounds Amazing, Im going to look into it and see what i can do, I might try and see if i can purchase a telescope by then and make my way there, Do i have to register to attend??? also what kind of accommodation is available there??? any special passes i need???

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Aaron,
We've got some really good speakers this year and the Winter sky at Wiruna can be spectacular if the weather is kind. You will need to register before the event by going here: http://asnsw.com/spsp/index.asp and following the "Register Now" link.

There is probably no big hurry to get a telescope of your own before the event. In fact I'd recommend you wait and use other people's scopes at the star party before you decide on what you want. Most people will gladly share some telescope time with you and that way you can get a lot better idea about what you want to buy and what will work well for you.

We should have at least 100 telescopes at the event, which will give you a good selection to sample! And a very diverse range, including home built scopes, commercial dobs (sky watcher dobs, GSO dobs, meade light bridge etc), large obsessions, equatorial mounted newtonians, a range of meade goto's, large and small refractors, possibly a few planewave's, the only spica eyes dob (http://www.equatorialplatforms.com/spicaeyes.html) in Australia and many others I've forgotten to list.

Come along, you will have a ball.

Cheers,

Paul.

[White Rabbit]

Booked and paid for, see you all there. Yeehaaawww!!!

[White Rabbit]

BTW, if anyone needs a tent I have a couple spare and an inflatable bed. Pm me if you are in need to put a roof over your head ;).

[Omaroo]

With the cold weather here, those of you who are using air matresses, make sure you have something to put down first under your inflatable bed to insulate. A ground sheet and a couple of blankets should suffice. Air beds are really good at transferring the cold from the ground straight up to you, irrespective of how much you have on top of you! :thumbsup:

[spacezebra]

Good tip Chris

I'm staying a week Coona and travelling up from there. It will be a short visit for me, but I hope to catch up with a few friends.

Cheers Petra d.

[iceman]

How's the weather looking?
It's been beautiful here this week!

[Paul Hatchman]

Mike,
I've given up trying to predict the weather there. It's just amazing the number of times that the weather at the Ilford turnoff has been the total opposite of Wiruna.

[shahgazer]

As Scotty said in 'Star Trek' ... " it's exciting!" Looking forward to see you guys for my very first oversea star party! In fact, I will be going to Conna first for a night observation there, and hopefully can find some time visiting the Siding Spring Observatory, before driving down to Wiruna to join in the SPSP! ;)

The cold seems pretty 'chilling' for me! Hopefully I can last the whole night! :sadeyes:

[Tilt]

Are there any power options available for mounts/cameras/laptops for people without deep cycle batteries? I'd love to have a go of imaging under really dark skies :)

Michael

[Jen]

:D hope you all have a great weekend sounds like lots of fun :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Michael,
We are off the grid at Wiruna and rely on solar power during the year.

Since last year, we've permitted people to use generators on the upper observing field (near the house). This observing field is set aside for astro photographers and has a more relaxed white light policy to accomodate laptop users.

Cheers,

Paul.

[Rodstar]

Can't wait....looking forward to exploring the wonders of Sagittarius this year.

The Mary Rose has had some recent mods, so it will give me a chance to try these out too - laminar fans across the face of the primary mirror, stalk for argo Navis, etc.

See you all up there!

[h0ughy]

i hope to set up as shown;)

[toryglen-boy]

LOL at some of the quips regarding cold. it never gets cold here, this is Australia !!

when your sitting inside all warm and snug, and the temp outside is -42 degs. thats when you know its cold.

I cant make it this year, i fly out to Scotland the day before, but i expect to see some great pictures when i get back !!

have a good time

:P

[Paul Hatchman]

Hey! That's my spot! :D

[Omaroo]

Scotland hasn't seen -42C in recorded times Duncan... I think that -27C is the UK record. Could be wrong though.

Canada, Scandinavia and Siberia sure... !!! :)

Have a good trip! :thumbsup:

[Chippy]

If the skies are clear you'll last the whole night. You can always warm up by the fire with a cuppa before having another stint. Works for me. Here's hoping it's clear skies!

[iceman]

Is there anyone coming who can loan me a timer remote for a Canon 20D?

I've ordered one but it's not likely to arrive in time! :(

[toryglen-boy]

Once again Chris you are right, the coldest record day in Scotland was -28. that said, i never said the -42 WAS in Scotland !!

I was up on the North coast of Iceland for a wee while, and one night there, it was -42

thanks fella, i will do my best to enjoy myself

:)

[h0ughy]

wow thats leaving your run a bit late Mike:scared:

[Omaroo]

LOL! Arctic circle... hmm.. got to get there one day. I've done Scandinavia, but the bottom end. I really want to head north. Coldest I've been is -40C in upper Ontario in Canada. It didn't really feel all that cold either. I was walking around in a jumper but that was it. The air was so dry it didn't get to you like even -15C does on my place in Cooma. It's the moisture that hurts! :lol:

Anyway - sorry to drag it all off-topic even further. Can't wait for SPSP. I'm currently engineering a new tablet PC mount for my mount - so the PC and scope are all in one package on the field. I'm really over having to set up tables, cables, chairs and whatnot.

[Allan_L]

Well, talk about leaving it late.
Finally decided and registered and paid yesterday.
And found out that the web site closed for registrations just afterwards.
Phew! close!

Anyway, being newbie I will be looking to you guys for direction as to what and where I should be doing.

I tried to explain that I was a member of the IIS Astrological Society, but they weren't buying it :) - nearly though!

Hmmm! 300 people, sounds like a lot. Hope to catch up with you all.

clear skies
Allan

[tlgerdes]

Sorry Mike, I am in the "modern" age, I use a computer and USB cable to control my shutter.:D:D:D

I am sure there will be someone in back lot who will have a spare cable floating around.

[iceman]

Yeh I do that for my 350D, but my 20D will be sitting on a tripod somewhere taking startrails or the like, so I need a timer remote for that.

[alan meehan]

hey MIKE you can borrow mine if you like i be using houghys 16" lightbridge most of the time ,i will get a new battery for it just in case
ALAN

[h0ughy]

will this weather system clear before friday/sat?
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDE00902.loop.shtml

[strongmanmike]

...?...:(....:sad:

[RB]

Oh my gosh, it's even worse in Narrow Band...........

[iceman]

Thanks Al! Is it one of those Aputure type ones?


Uh oh, not looking good!

[shahgazer]

uhhh.. doesn't look good! especially after travelling thousands of km.. :eyepop:

[GTB_an_Owl]

Oh ye of little faith !

it will be cold ! :campfire:
it will be crisp ! :cold:
it WILL be clear ! :astron:

and the cold people will buy ALL my freezer suits from me ! :2thumbs:

TRUST ME !

geoff ;)

[White Rabbit]

Oh man, it better clear up. This is my first star party and I dont fancy spending it stuck inside a tent in the rain. That would really suck.

[Omaroo]

Bring a bottle.... :thumbsup:

[spacezebra]

Or two!!!



Cheers Petra d.

[telecasterguru]

Is the road from Bathurst through Sofala sealed?

Thanks

Frank

[xstream]

Yes Frank.

[Paul Hatchman]

Geoff,
I'll collect my 10% commission from you on the Sunday.:whistle:

Cheers,

Paul.

[strongmanmike]

Yeh exactly what I was going to say (and do) Petra! :thumbsup:

Bad bad bad aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah: http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weatherwrap.cgi?location=ilford

:scared:

Still I will be there :D

[GrahamL]

The low up the north coast feels like its already kicking off
gusts up around 40 k tonight .. dont right off a little clear weather just yet .. we are going to suck a lot of cloud up our way.. heard a Girl at work today mention SES warnings predicting 250 mm and up ..hope its all good for you .

[CoolhandJo]

I am hoping this prediction is precise! Indicates no rain on Friday
http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/watl/rainfall/pme.jsp

[multiweb]

Got one I'm not using with a 5m cable. You can use it for the whole duraton of the SPSP. It's a standard Canon Remote so I assume it works with all models?

[multiweb]

Correct. Friday is clear skies dance night :cool::cool::cool:

[DavidU]

Lucky buggers ! Have a lot of fun, I want to see loads of photo's.

[White Rabbit]

Oh, believe me, I intend to take more than one or two bottles, and a lot more if it rains.

The girl friend is coming so if it rains I'll be listening to a lot of crying about how cold and wet it is. Luckily I have a trailer tent so heating it up is easy.

See you all there.

[Greg Bryant]

Hello Paul,

I see from the ASNSW website that SPSP next year is also listed to take place in May.

I'd be interested to learn why there has been a return to May. The first few years of SPSP in the 90s were held in May, and over time we appreciated the issues regarding holding it in May - hence the move to an earlier and warmer period in the late 90s onwards.

Regards,
Greg

[Big Dave]

:prey: Gloomy outlook http://www.skippysky.com.au/Australia/

Driving from Melbourne is a big gamble, I will have to leave the decision to Thursday Morning. After the ISSAC washout last year, it makes it a costly trip - still had a good time though.

FYI : The weblink above usually has a good accuracy for the 3 day outlook, better than the BOM source of data.

[Omaroo]

Hope to still see you there Dave.. :) I know it's a long way for you, but it'd be great to catch up. Here's hoping the weather changes.... :hi:

[Big Dave]

Looks like we are still coming, Chris save me a spot – assume your in the imaging area?
I am coming with another MPAS (Mornington Peninsular Astro Society) member - he is keen wet or dry!

[iceman]

Can't see that weather system clearing at all.

Oh well it'll be a fun social event regardless. Always great to catch up with friends that you only see once or twice a year.

[alan meehan]

Ilford gives a 5% chance of rain over the weekend if not i think we might still get cloud.:sadeyes:

[Omaroo]

Yep Dave - I'll save you a spot. I'll be there Friday morning, so what do you need - a single car spot? I take it you'll be bringing a tent if there are two of you.... ?

[CoolhandJo]

Being an optimist I am encouraged by the BOM forecast for the district (refer attached). But, agre that there will be enough fellowship and activities to hold interest regardless. Good to just get away!

[h0ughy]

might have to rethink and leave a few items at home - might not get to image at all........sad really

[telecasterguru]

I reckon that it will fine up and I am sure that everyone will have a great time.

Frank

[lacad01]

Agreed :). Hearing the key-note speakers and putting some faces to names should be consolation enough in case the weather doesn't fine up :thumbsup:

[RB]

Make the most of it mate and take a new library of darks.
I'm sure you'll get a good temperature spread.

:P

[Kimbo]

I'm a volunteer so I'm heading to Ilford first thing in the morning. I've just been packing the car & it's packed solid! It's p ...ing down rain here now so maybe I should do as Dave suggests & leave a few items at home. I've just raided my cellar & thrown in a few extra bottles of red wine just in case!!!

I'm still new to IIS so I hope I get to meet you all this W/E so I can put a face to your name. Iceman, how about arranging a meet & greet of IIS members during the W/E? It might be something to do if the weather decides to be unkind.

Here's to Clear Skies, :sunny:

Kim

[Omaroo]

Kim - good luck in setting up! We all appreciate the volunteer effort each year. :)

[Big Dave]

Cool a big parking space with two tents; be there about lunch.
Look forward to catching up,
Dave.

[multiweb]

Here's my weather forecast for the SPSP and I'm rarely wrong :whistle:
Friday - Maybe a bit of rain but Windy :windy:
Saturday - Beautiful night :astron:
Sunday - Extra Beautiful Night :stargaze:
Monday - don't care I'm going home :driving:

[strongmanmike]

Yeh well Marc :screwy: I like your optimism but (and much to my dissapointment) I have decided not to bother with the imaging rig...again :mad2: Too much risk and set-up work on soggy ground for little chance of clear weather.

I have however just packed the car including a mixed half dozen red and whites plus some brews (plus my camping buddy is bringing a case of Heineken) sooooo who cares hic! :D

If it miraculously clears up and after I stop punching every tree trunk in site, I'll hang out with you and your imaging kit :thumbsup:...err?..if that's ok? :whistle:

Mike

[Peter Ward]

Humm...I'll make it there one day.....

My all knowing fridge (with the amazing ability to hold magnetic clips and roster print-outs) says I'll be in Singapore.......

[multiweb]

I don't know if I'll image but you're welcome to come around. I'll have my bottle(s) of vodka handy if anyone needs some optics cleaning :cheers:

[h0ughy]

LOL i have a spare eq mount for you Mike:whistle::P

[shahgazer]

Touched down in Melbourne from Kuala Lumpur yesterday, and now currently at Wollongong... and it's been cloudy and raining all day long! :eyepop:

Hopefully it clears up at least a bit. Tomorrow will start going to Conna first.

Clear skies please!!

[h0ughy]

WOW that sounds more powerful than big blue;) with all that knowledge Peter - that's scary

[h0ughy]

hope to meet you there Kim - and help out;) i am a member of ASNSW and alas this is the only time of year i ever get there

[xstream]

Anna and I are here and set up.

Weather is cold overcast and extremely windy. Lets hope it clears for at least one night of observing.
At least I have enough refreshment to keep me going for awhile. :D

[iceman]

Soggy and wet?
Look forward to catching up with everyone tomorrow. Gotta start packing soon.

[Rodstar]

John, I just purchased a nice bottle of red which we can sample on Friday night. Two gold medals, two silvers and a bronze, as well as winning Best of Class at the LA International Wine and Spirit Comp.

Have a cold one ready for me on my arrival....should get there by lunchtime tomorrow if all goes according to plan.:thumbsup:

[GTB_an_Owl]

why does it always have to be windy and bloody rain when i have to pack a trailer ??????????????????????????????????? ?????


geoff

[Inmykombi]

Dont forget I can fit a bit ofyour stuff in my van too Geoff.

It wont get wet that way.

See ya in the morning mate.

[GTB_an_Owl]

don't let that nephew of mine drink all your beer John (xstream)
tell him to leave some for me

looks like you gunna get some weather up that way shortly - couple of nice blue spots just south of Mudgee

pisking down here at the moment - looks like i will be up most of the nite waiting for breaks in the downpours to finish packing the trailer

what fun

geoff

[xstream]

You should of made it 1/2doz. mate! We're sure going to need them. :lol:

See you tomorrow. :thumbsup:

[GTB_an_Owl]

you only buy one bottle of anything when you just want to put it up on the shelf and look at it don't you John ?

geoff

[White Rabbit]

Well at least Sunday's weather looks good hah!!

[wavelandscott]

I hope you all have a good time and get some clear weather...I'll be thinking of you all as I try to find the big and little dipper through the light dome of the Northeast USA.

[bones]

To all who are going, I wish you 2 safe trips and a great time. :thumbsup:

If it's cloudy at all just think it's all clear skies about 10km's away from you - unfortunatley the 10km's is straight up :cloudy:.

As for me - can't go. My son (my son) has soccer game tomorrow and a soccer gala day on Sunday. Assuming of course all this rain stops :rain:and the fields remain open. Can't avoid official duties when I'm the manager for the team.

Hope to read some good reports.

[iceman]

Got here about an hour ago - it's very cold, very windy and very cloudy.

I've never seen the observing field looking so empty. Noone's been brave enough to unpack their scopes.

Hopefully tomorrow..

[norm]

Hey Mike,

Whats the general consensous for tomorrow in terms of weather. I'm about to load the car this arvo and I need some encouragement ;).

Cheers Norm

[iceman]

I wouldn't dare predict, Norm :)

Come for the social event and if it clears up, what a bonus! :)

[norm]

Yeah thanks Mike,

I'll be there. Daughter's having her 1st slumber party with 3 other 8yr olds. Don't think my boy's going to appreciate having to put up with all the giggling and girlie stuff :whistle::thumbsup:

[White Rabbit]

Howdy from SPSP 09.

The weather is not so great, you can see some stars poking out from behind the clouds but not enough to get the scope out.

I have high hopes for tomorrow though, I think it might be ok at least for some observing.

[iceman]

The weather hasn't improved. Cold, windy, windy and a bit of rain.

Considering whether to go home after dinner tonight - we'll see. If it's not looking like it's going to clear up, it would be nice to wake up in my own bed tomorrow.

Went into Rylestone for brekky with John, Anna, Rod and Roger Davis this morning. Always lovely to get the "big breakfast" there. Don't need lunch now!

Bought a 80mm bahtinov mask from the vendor stalls, resisted the temptation to get anything else (unlike John and Anna (17mm Ethos) and Rod (31mm Nagler)!!!).

Wow some sun has just come out, it's so bright. Unrecognisable.

The satellite image shows no clouds, but it's not registering this very low level stuff. And the wind needs to go away!!

Anyway, having fun catching up with friends.

[Barrykgerdes]

Wiruna Sunday morning 8:35

Raining again. Patches of blue sky. Clear Sky for about 20 minites during the night. One viewer got to see Saturn before the clouds closed in again.

Barry

[iceman]

I came home last night - left after dinner at 6pm, home by 9:30pm. I got the most observing in for the whole weekend, on the way home :) It was clearish at Lithgow and I got some naked eye observing done out the car window.

All 4 seasons on the way home though - clear, cloudy, rainy, foggy, windy all on the drive home.

Nice to have a full nights sleep and a warm shower this morning :) Had a great time, despite the weather. Always great company.

[White Rabbit]

Yip the weather sucked. I did however sit out with my camera on a fixed tripod and take some wide field shots of crux. I came all this way I wasnt leaving with at least one picture. Took me hours to what I got, waiting for a clear patches took for ever.

I'll post the pic later on, it's probably the only picture taken at SPSP 09.

Sandy

[telecasterguru]

Just got home from the star party as well.
Weather wasn't the best which was a little disappointing as it was my first ever star party but met some wonderful people.
The guest speakers were great and now I'm looking forward to the IIS star party and lots of others.
Thanks for a fun weekend.

Frank

[Sentinel]

Is the South Pacific Star Party now more likely to be weather affected now that it is in May?

When I last went (SPSP 2004) it was in March.

[xstream]

Weather was a disappointment but tremendous company as usual.
Anna and I normally stay till Monday but with the clouds and wind again this morning, we made the decision to leave for Coona. I'm glad we did, Sunshine hardly a cloud in the sky; Looks like it's going to be a great night of observing. :D

[Bassnut]

I spoke to Les on the selection of the SPSP timing, near impossible to please everyone, its either too hot, too cold or bad weather, Id hate to have that job. It seems March is too hot, its like an oven in the shed on a sunny day (40deg plus?). I dont much care when its on, im just glad its on :P.

Anyway, despite the weather this year (no-one can plan for that), it was an excellent gig. I got to meet and talk to many ppl instead of struggling to get polar aligned in less than 3 hrs of sheer frustration, so no loss. The speakers were excellent too, a good time was had by all.

The imaging comp was fun, Mike Salway did very well as expected, as did others. Entries for the imaging comp were down this year unforch, but the entry criteria are constantly being reviewed and tweaked to encaurage more ppl to enter, its a hard task, but Monte did an excellent job this year on top of his other duties.

[Rodstar]

What a bizarre hobby we share that would involve us spending so much time planning and packing our gear, travelling 4 hours each way, only to sit shivering in bleakness for three days and two nights.

In short, the warmth of human company, a fire, and Muscat and even the dim possibility of getting to see our beautiful Milky Way is enough to bring me. Wouldn't miss it, even in a blizzard.

Did well on the eyepeice front this year (well if you can't actually observe, you might as well gear up for future sessions).

Nice to spend quality time with John and Anna and Mike, to catch up in daylight with some of the IIS gang from the central coast, share brekky with Roger Davis and the others, and I particularly enjoyed the fireside chat last night with Mike Smith.

Thanks to the organisers of this event for making a potentially dreary hell into a cheerful and pleasant event.

Hopefully next year we can get more co-operation from the weather.

[Omaroo]

Yep - a great time was had by moi. Thanks Monte and the organisers for turning around what was otherwise a bleak, sleety, windy cloudy weather flop into a very entertaining weekend. Thanks to all the guys who were up at the astroimaging house - I had a ball yakking. Great to meet a few IIS'ers there too. A great bunch :)

Fred - congrats also to you for winning your division in the imaging comp with a beautiful and starless narrowband M8. Stunning image - you've given me a new direction to try now. Thanks :thumbsup: Congrats to all the other winners too!

See you all next year :D

[h0ughy]

OK so it wasn't good weather wise, it was good to catch up wit ha few people - and if Mike won anything then he had better share the spoils........LOL

How did the imaging comp go?

Unfortunately i had to leave early - even missed out on the group photo. Rod and Anna I am envious of the hunks of glass you both were cherishing, i got my digifire 10 dew heater unit, and was gently rocked to sleep in the tent with the howling winds in the trees Thursday and Friday nights. the fireplaces were priceless and managed t o have quite a comfortable fire going both days - even the car smelled of the camp fire on the way home. i took some videos, and spent some good time with a few people and met some others. Was an interesting year this one!

[Deeno]

Yep.
Had a fine time despite the weather. Seems to the norm this year for dark sky trips away.:shrug:
Always great to catch up with people...



Your too modest Freddles
Your winning interpretation of M8 minus stars was truly inspirational:thumbsup:

Feeling keener than ever for the next one......
Deeno

[Barrykgerdes]

Yep

I hardly missed the night sky. I caught up with people I had not seen for years. Talked and listened. The effort that was put in by the organisers was outstanding and I am sure there was no one who did not have an enjoyable weekend. To tell the truth I did not miss the lack of viewing. There were too many other interesting things to do and people to talk to.

One thing I was particularly pleased about was the effort put in to entertain the younger ones. Lesa had them enthrawled for hours.

Barry.

[lacad01]

Was a good weekend despite the clouds, wind and rain. Like the others, was able to catch up and make new acquaintances.
Stirling job by the organizers and volunteers :thumbsup:

[shahgazer]

Hi All,

Yes, it was very windy and very cold ( at least for me). A bit dissappointed with the weather and unable to experience a star party down under ... well the observation that is..

but I thouroughly enjoy the day events and talk. And Mike (okiescopey) was the very person who spotted me (and recogniseme ) at the parking space! :thumbsup: Thanks man, for the help with the registrations and stuffs..

But the day before SPSP, on Thursday night, I was at Conna, and quietly join in for a while at the ozsky star party there, and lucky me..the weather was fantastic!!! :D First time I saw Coalsax with the naked eye!!:eyepop:

.. and when Gary of Wildcard was telling how the sky was clear on Friday night at Conna, I can only shake my head in disbelief ! Oh well... better luck next year. :shrug:

Glad I came to Australia, regardless of how the weather is, and sure there's a lot of stories to bring back home when I fly back tomorrow. Glad to be able to meet up with Mike (okiescopey), Gary, Steve Mogg, the Bintel guys, Glenn Dawes and others. You guys were great!

See you guys back next year! :thumbsup:

[iceman]

Here's my additional short report:

Bad weather, good friends and results from the Astro Imaging Comp at SPSP17 (http://www.mikesalway.com.au/2009/05/25/the-south-pacific-star-party-in-2009-spsp17).

If anyone knows the name of the guy who won the widefield category with his beautiful star trails shot, please let me know.

[jase]

Thanks for the write up Mike. Shame about the weather. Congrats to all the astro imaging comp winners.

...'bout time you got some more recognition for your work Fred. Well done.

[spacezebra]

Hi guys

Great reports. I'm sorry I could not get there.

Cheers Petra d.

[CoolhandJo]

Thank you to the organisers. Thank you to all the attendees.

For the first time I saw the SMC and LMC without my scope (naked eye). Also, the Milkyway was simply breathtaking.

All this happened in a period of 15 min when, for a brief moment, there were no clouds at all!

Its something my 9 year old daughter will never forget!

[ngcles]

Hi All,

The comments about the timing of the event are interesting. I Think the event has swapped between March-April-May for quite some time and the end result has been a simply an appalling run of bad luck with clouds and the weather. But it has been just that -- bad luck.

I remember my first which was either 1994 or 1995 I think (May) and the weather was 'orrible. It rained, blew and was very cold to boot for three days and nights. I think I've been to six SPSP all up (on three occasions I was a speaker) and four of those were substantially clouded or washed out. Having said that, like all you guys, I had a great time socialising, meeting new people and seeing new 'scopes and ideas. Its worth going just for that. Observing is a bonus.

Of those events I went to, the organisation and hospitality by the ASNSW hosts was simply outstanding. Maybe its time for a SPSP for me next year in lieu of a Mudgee? Better still in addition to a Mudgee ??

Hmmm ... how do I get option 2 past the wife.


Best,

Les D

[h0ughy]

Just to update my earlier post,

Alan Meehan and I left in windy rain squalls, heavy at times to travel up to SPSP via Mudgee. The trip seemed to go quickly and soon we were in Mudgee, and met up with fellow Novocastrians Dennis Zambelis, George Livanos and Richard Crisp. Some other NAS club members went a different route via Rylstone. We arrived on site Thursday afternoon after having lunch in Mudgee (I bought two more tarps and a handheld white light led torch – somehow I sensed that we would not be viewing stars).

After arriving on site we met john and Anna who were camped near the infamous Mike Sidonio who had arrived earlier and set up camp. Alan and I quickly set up the campsite and tents, boy was it cold and drizzly and windy. After that we set to having a Chook for dinner that Alan bought – Yummy and thanks Anna for heating the chook up on your stove until we found ours!

The evening came quickly and with the cruddy conditions (and seeing Mr Sidonio with the help of others build a recycling monument outside Bobs tent from the nights consumables;):whistle:) it was an early night. But the wind was howling and it was difficult to go to sleep…….:scared:

Friday saw the registrations and meeting some others who showed up overnight and that morning. It was good catching up with Fred Vanderhaven and Monte “I can organise anything” Wilson:thumbsup:, and all of the other volunteers that did a great job. I suppose Friday was a bumming around day until the afternoons speakers and discussing the usual Astro topics. :)

Friday night was almost a mirror image of Thursday night – but with very brief glimpses of stars on the odd occasion. The informal talks Friday night were brilliant, as too the hot donuts….LOL.:D

Saturday morning I was in the packing up mode as I had to return home due to a family problem that happened Friday night, but I still entered a few of my images, and Mike Salways images as well as the poor dear had to go into town for a hot breakfast:help:. Life is tough. LOL.

I missed out on the group photo and the prize draw, as well as the Imaging comp results but I expected both Mikes to do well and Fred with his narrowband shots (I am sure he said that he took them with a DSLR …..) But the image that impressed me the most was the star trails shot behind a domed observatory –that was a great shot.

The vendor sales on Saturday were good and for some reason popular. I got my Kendrick Digifire 10 there for a good price from Bintel, but the other vendors seemed to be doing a roaring trade - even tried to get Geoff to do a inpropmtu ad for the camera for his wares - might need a better actor for the voice over geoff LOL.

The gear is still drying out, the Astro gear that never made it out of the car was packed away, and I have the evidence on video of Mike Sidonio paying off Monte for the imaging comp LOL….. wasn’t nearly as much as what FRED must have paid Mike so take heed LOL. I will have to work out how I get my video posted?

Anyway the pros were meeting people and getting to network and gain new ideas and fresh insight into the hobby, the cons – the dribbly hot showers with possible prostrate problems in the new male block, but better than nothing.:whistle:

[multiweb]

Putting weather aside it was a great 4 days. Very well organised. Finaly got to meet and chat with a lot of IIS folks there. The presentations were also very interesting and entertaining. Good for networking and exchanging ideas. Looking forward to the next one. :thumbsup:

[Big Dave]

Finally got home to Melbourne! Besides the weather it was a good trip catching up with everyone. Did some good observing in Gundagai on the way home to complete the trip (till 2AM).

Thanks to all my IIS friends who were up there and hope to see everyone at Border Stargaze in 3 Months.

Picture below was a good weekend summary (Omaroo, Big Dave & Greg Walton!) - LOL

:thumbsup:

[Omaroo]

LOL!!!!!!!!! "NSW central tablelands - calm as ever!" :rofl: :lol: :D

Thanks for taking the photo Greg :) Too funny!

[Tilt]

True, no observing, but I still had a great time.

Mike - I did find a Baader Modded 350D in my camera bag while I was up there, I was going to pass it to you if the weather came good :thumbsup:

Michael

[33South]

Still a bit p:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:d off I couldn't make it, and catch up with the regulars.

Spent Thursday evening packing the car then came down with the flu (local variety)
Friday morning sadly decided against going to avoid prolonging it. Especially as I'm off to UK next weekend for a month to see grandchild #6 (aka Perry).

Hope to see some of you at BSG in August or Lostock :hi:

[Rodstar]

A real shame we didn't see you there, Chris. Given the circumstances, though, sounds like it was a wise decision. You would have been absolutely miserable given the weather conditions. Hope you are on the mend.

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi All,

A big thank you to everyone who attended the SPSP this year and I really hope you had a great time despite the conditions.

I spent 5 nights there (Wed-Mon) without a single hour of observing, but still found it an enjoyable event.

If you have any feedback you can send it to the organising committee via http://asnsw.com/info/contact.asp. We really value any feedback, so I would encourage you to send any thoughts, positive or negative. Praise us, or rip us to shreds, it is all important to plan better for next year.

My obviously biased thoughts on the event:

The new "Mens" toilet block really cut down the queues this year. We only just got it up and running in time (as you might have been able to tell from my duct tape wiring job), but we will have that fully working for next year. We are going to put a screened area around the new showers to give a bit more privacy.

The speakers were all excellent, especially the impromptu ones and it was a real treat to spend some time with Charlie after the talks. (Though we did have a little panic attack when Fred Watson did not arrive until about 3 minutes before his talk was due to begin).

I didn't get a chance to have a look at the entries for the astrophoto competition, but the winning photos were really stunning. Judging the Telescope Making comptetion was a highlight. In these days of cheap mass produced dobsonians, it is great to see that amateurs are still innovating in this area. We gave quite a few awards this year and they were all thoroughly deserved.

As to the weather. Well it was not really that cold out of the wind, and there was little rain to speak of. But the wind!!! That is the worst wind conditions I've experienced at Wiruna in all my time there. But everyone seemed to stick it out in good humor.

Another highlight for me was the Saturday night roast. Delicious!!

And lastly, the Kandos Scouts. They do an excellent job each year and this year was no exception. There is nothing like hot donuts on a cold, windy night or a big breakfast to get you started again the next day.

From my side of the fence, it seemed like a great success, despite the weather. I hope you agree and that we will see you next year.

Cheers,

Paul Hatchman

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Greg,

Obviously every month has pros and cons and I don't think there is any
single reason for returning to the traditional date again next year.

The night sky at Wiruna in May can be simply spectacular and some
people will appreciate the campfire atmosphere and longer nights
afforded to us in May, while some others won't.

Cheers,

Paul Hatchman

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi H0ughy,
I'm interested to hear that because they seemed to better than the old ones when I used them on the Thursday. When did you have a shower? Was it before about 8am? We were using a 240 volt water pump that only works when the generator is running. But maybe the pump was overwhelmed at times?

cheers.

[Allar]

Hi guys!

I really enjoyed the Star Party as well! Thank you all! The weather was crap but at least I felt like back home in Finland.

I was lucky enough to spot one big hole in the clouds and prove that we actually saw some nice views :lol:: http://www.allarscopes.com/sekalaista/australia/milkyway_63s_230509.jpg



I'm pretty sure it was me. Smaller version of the photo can be found from here: http://www.allarscopes.com/sekalaista/australia/startrails1b.jpg

Cheers,
Allar Saviauk

[iceman]

That's the one!! Excellent shot, thanks! I can update my article now. Cheers.

[h0ughy]

about 2pm friday afternoon;)

[shahgazer]

Hi Guys,

With the weather wasn't that promising on Saturday night, I decided to go back to my hotel at Kandos, and lo behold! The sky was clear and crisp!! With some occasional low clouds zipping by, it was a really cool view.

Couldn't resist taking out my 300D and took this 90 sec view at the parking space of Kandos motel.

http://www.falak-online.net/imej/oz/coalsax_shah2.jpg

[lacad01]

Interesting you should say that. Think it was on Sunday morning I overheard someone mention that they had gone off site and once back on the main road the skies were clear. Amazing how the climate can change within a relatively short distance but I didn't appreciate how high up Wiruna actually is. Hasn't spoiled my taste for wanting to go back next chance I can :)

[Paul Hatchman]

Thanks for that. There is some more work to do then!

cheers.

[Wavytone]

It's not uncommon for Wiruna to be wiped out when other useful sites are clear. It's a crap site and its evident ASNSW had no idea about this - nor evaluated the local weather conditions - before they bought it.

There are many far better sites (in terms of clear nights) closer to Sydney that were never considered.

[multiweb]

:nerd:

[Satchmo]

The SPSP and the site in general have provided a lot of joy for many years to many people , on an annual and monthly basis. You have to be `in it to win it' as they say . How many times, as an ASNSW member , have you visited... once or twice?

[Wavytone]

More than that, Mark, and as a non-member. "Being in it to win it" to me only means an enjoyable, peaceful night observing in good conditions. I'm not really interested in going to a site with barely average seeing and a poor record for transparency when there are much better ones closer to home.

More importantly on a number of years observing elsewhere on the same weekends, to find out later from those who went that I had the better weather. There's a lot to be said for being on sandstone at 1100 metres with a cliff on 3 sides.

There was no site survey carried out before Wiruna was acquired to find out what it was like at night over several months let alone assess the seeing and transparency properly. No effort was made at analysing the microclimate - despite the site selection processes used by observatories elsewhere being known to several at the time. Somewhat remarkable considering at the time Bowen was well known for turning on better seeing than most other locations, and for good reasons.

[Omaroo]

With all due (I think) respect then, stay away and maybe stop your moaning. There are plenty of us that really appreciate what a few amateurs have done by going to the extent of buying a property with its sole purpose being for the use of other amateur astronomers - and then by excelling themselves in the field of hospitality. The asking price per year in terms of membership is incredibly small in turn for this level of infrastructure and comeraderie.

Buying the ideal block of land is a lot more than choosing an "ideal" location based on flimsy weather records. It has to do with access, size, affordability, amenities, topography, zoning and a whole pile more.

[Satchmo]

Hmm..sounds like you should steer clear of star parties , I was referring to the great comeradery of long term vistors to Ilford. Its a bit rich at the end of this long largely amiable thread criticising Ilford choice by a past commitee on the basis of a weather system that has been currently affecting half the state.

You should stay clear of Ilford then... you may end up swinging from the nearest tree :lol:

[Paul Hatchman]

Hi Wavytone,

I really don't want to argue with you and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but first a couple of facts:

For the past 3 years, taking into account Friday and Saturdays for Bowen Last Quarter observing vs Wiruna New Moon observing.
2008: Bowen 9 clear nights, Wiruna 11 clear nights
2007: Bowen 8 clear nights, Wiruna 9 clear nights
2006: Bowen 6 clear nights (Sat only counted), Wiruna 15 clear nights

Last year, we had an average of 36 people attend Wiruna each month and often well in excess of 50.

Now, there is no question that Bowen often has the better seeing conditions, but Wiruna is hands down the club's premier observing site for transparency and dark skies. (Keep in mind that I am the ASNSW Vice President Crago, so this comment could be considered treason :)). If not for Wiruna, I wonder how many people would have seen the Gegenschein or experienced multiple shadows cast on the ground; one from the milky way glow and the other from Jupiter?

On occasion, members have taken simultaneous sky quality meter readings at both Wiruna and Coonabarabran and obtained almost identical results. Quite simply, Wiruna can and does deliver the goods, which is why so many people make the long trek month after month.

But more than that, Wiruna offers a social outlet which many members appreciate. We put on regular communal dinners, movie nights if it is cloudy and often just sit around the fire with a glass of wine chatting. When it is clear, the club provides a range of scopes for members to use, including a 17.5" dob and a 25" obsession.

I'm glad you have found your ideal observing spot. But please don't downplay what Wiruna has to offer.

Cheers,

Paul Hatchman
Vice President
ASNSW

[Barrykgerdes]

Well said Paul

Wiruna is a great investment for club activities and it usually has the bonus of dark skies on a pretty regular basis to add to the enjoyment of attending.

I would not care if it rained, snowed or any other dismal weather. It won't stop me attending the next SPSP

Barry:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :welcome:
PS I think the voting is at least 310+ for and 1 against

[Wavytone]

Paul, I never suggested Bowen was ideal. But it did turn on good seeing.

I'm more amused to see what happens when someone expresses an opinion different from the official party line peddled by the clique that run the ASNSW... Makes me feel ashamed to have been a past president at a time when alternative views were encouraged and openly discussed.

Subject closed.

[Paul Hatchman]

Wow. Just wow.

In addition to being insulting to those who volunteer their time to help manage the ASNSW, nothing you have said above matches my perception of the recent committees or the members.

You say that you want open "discussion", but then close the subject? I would have been more than happy to have a discussion with you, but if this is your idea of a "discussion", then I'll pass thanks.

[alan meehan]

It was great to catch up with everyone this year at wiruna unfortunatly the weather was not kind to us but that is just part of this great hobby got to thank the volunteers who work so hard putting this together, i have been going up for ten yrs now and i know this is a good dark site and a good spot for so many astronomy minded people
I,ll be back next year with better weather no doubt.got a good shot of the flame neb glad it was there.
Alan

[Rodstar]

Ah yes, thank goodness for the campfires! This year, with the encouragement of an experienced "glass melter" (John Gerkin) we melted at least a dozen beer bottles and a couple of wine bottles for good measure.

[Enchilada]

Thanks for being so gracious, but there is no bad luck here - just bad planning for a site that was not particularly well selected. (Don't take my own word for it, see the historical Bart Bok article written in 1960. I.e. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1960JRASC..54..257B )
I do agree though the present committee of the ASNSWI did not select the site but inherited the problem. I also suggest (as others here) it is a great get-together of people of similar interests. Pity it is so far to get to the place! :(

[Jen]

:lol::lol: nice flame nebula you captured there Alan :thumbsup:;)

[Enchilada]

Paul,
This is fairly disingenuous. Wiruna place is well documented as an observing site. I.e. Read Bart Bok's historical paper written in 1960. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1960JRASC..54..257B

Also to back this up is;
Measuring seeing for site testing appears in a note also by Bart Bok in 1959. See. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1959Obs....79..219B

AAO, you can read about the "Early History of the AAO", which has some information on site selection. See http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985QJRAS..26..393L

Russell Cannon "Some comments on large telescope astronomy in Britain and Australia" See
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989Ap%26SS.160..275C

Sorry. The real available site testing data simply doesn't scientifically back up your statement.

ASNSWI promotion and support for the Wiruna is necessarily needed, but the total spin about getting people there perhaps needs to change it primary focus. SPSP is about people getting together and not really about observing the sky (though it is a certain bonus.) Other times during the year are certainly better, as there are less people and more chance of getting some useful observing done without interference.

(Note: Like Wavytone, Andrew James was a former President of this Society and know and acted upon what went on in the somewhat careless site selection process.)

[h0ughy]

yep I did manage to get the artificial sun to make the steel glow on the sides and top of that fireplace;)

[Enchilada]

Next you should try for a Pyrex meltdown !! :rofl:

[Enchilada]

Who among the members obtained these results? I'd also be very, very interested to read them and the methods used - not only for Wiruna, but elsewhere in Australia. :)

Suggest reading the useful thread IIS ; Where is the Best Astro Site in OZ? (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=27713) :thumbsup:

[Paul Hatchman]

I've read the paper through several times now and I'm not sure what point you are really trying to make?

As to being disingenuous, I think my comments were clear to all that are not seeking to ascribe malice, but let me spell it out. We have had "on occasion" nights which have been of simlar quality to Coonabarabran. To be clear, I am not saying that Wiruna is the equivalent to Coonabarabran, only that we have had nights of similar quality as reported by a hand-held sky quality meter.

I am a lowly amateur astronomer, who enjoys visually observing the night sky as a hobby. Nothing I say should be taken as a scientific statement. I have presented the data that I have about clear nights and people can make their own decisions based on that, the papers you have provided etc. But mostly, I think people will make up their mind just by going there and working out if the conditions justify their commitment of time and effort.
I do not know why you want to invent some conspiracy where there is none. Wiruna is a place where a group of about 50 or so regulars go each month to observe, image and socialise. If people enjoy coming along, they are more than welcome.

We host a star party each year, which again people are free to attend or not. We have had observing at the previous 3 star parties, so the place can't be all bad?

Cheers.

[Paul Hatchman]

You seem to be expecting some sort of paper written up about this? Sorry to disappoint, but I can only offer 2 meters held up to the sky and a mobile phone conversation.

I believe our observations officer does take periodic SQM readings at Wiruna and if you are genuinely interested, I would suggest you contact him for his observations. However I doubt his methods will be documented to your satisfaction.

Cheers.

[Enchilada]

Wiruna is not the best site to select for an astronomical site, as the local terrain is highly influenced by localised weather. Clouds tend to hang around the tops of the mountain - and was overall rejected by the AAO for that reason alone. The site was chosen primarily because of the elevation - without site testing nor actual site testing by the sources mention here before - and that is it Achilles heel.

Known and an established fact.



Disingenuous - means "not candid or sincere" I meant no malice at all. Coonabarabran is better than Wiruna - else they would not have built the AAO there - hence the references...



Precisely. It is one hell of a way, though - I mean the whole expense and like to just "justify commitment." Again it is the people and NOT observing that make a star party rock. (Others hear say so.) This is really why the SPSP has a great reputation.
If you want to advertise for 'observing', then perhaps the ASNSWI should make a concurrent series of night over a longer period so the 'customers' get what they strive for... and, if necessary, their buck too!



Conspiracy?? That's a lawyer trick. Speaking fact, and those who disagree call it a conspiracy! All I've stated, as said above, the fact about the observing site. No more, no less.

Bottom line. The weather at Wiruna this year was shocking. Apparently the organisers, were saying to the 'customers' I.e. "We have never seen wind like it!", when the truth is it actually it is more frequent because of its exposed location.



Agreed. I've already said this.



That is not even statistically significant.

Comment : You might think I'm airing 'dirty laundry', but if you take money off customers you must be factual in what is said. Stating something is true when it is not is tantamount to misrepresentation. Wiruna can be an absolutely brilliant site - I've seen it myself - but the reality is statistically it is not.
Really. Marketing the SPSP - you need happy customers - my impression is they were not overly impressed. ngcles says it is "bad luck". Sadly it was "site selection" - hence sell the SPSP as per the comments here - it is a great place to meet people. That is absolutely true - and without the usual spin.

I'm sorry if this is not popular in opinion, but it is the truth as I see it. All I've done is expressed it.

[Enchilada]

Perhaps these SQM values are important, and I am please something at least is being evaluated. If observers were to do an year-long evaluations and do a quick localised "site test" using documented methods, perhaps then you can evaluate when the probability of clear nights for the site might actually be best time for the SPSP?

Considering the substantial cost of 200+ people getting to the site, and even the cost of running the site, you might think this a good idea - at least something for the Committee to think about.

The SPSP is a good fun annual event in which the Society gains prestige and a small profit to make it worthwhile - being ploughed back into again improving the site. Surely it would be prudent to consider optimisation when it should occur to keep the observing 'customers' happy?

As to saying; "However I doubt his methods will be documented to your satisfaction." This is really unfair saying this. Scott Mellish has both the experience and observational knowledge to know what he is talking about. His view I would listen too. Yet, my point is that if the ASNSWI just keep sufficient useful records instead of here-say, you might gain something very useful for future SPSP's. (Frankly, if it had done so in the beginning, you might have the reputation of Wiruna as touted each year by others being again "disappointed.")

Something positive. Why don't you approach the Weather Bureau as see if you could get the site listed a weather station site? Who knows, you might even get some funding and equipment for zip - and then evaluate the site location. It is located in the general centre of Mt. Nullo, Mudgee, Lithgow and Bathurst Airport. There is enough "weather geeks" to maintain and get involved in general forecasting and recording there - even purchasing say a small automatic weather station!

[Rodstar]

I think it would be very helpful if we could return to the original focus of this thread, being people's experiences at SPSP, rather than the current tangent, which appears to be debating the wisdom of the selection of Wiruna as a site for the ASNSW.

The latter debate really seems somewhat otiose to me, unless those arguing for a change of site are willing to put up the funds to finance a relocation. I cannot see any reason for the current committee to have to justify the location of the site. I am just very grateful for all of the volunteer time and effort that the organisers put into the event. I simply do not have time with my work pressures to devote to the organisation of the Society, I am enormously grateful that others do have the time and commitment to do it. Well done to all of the committee and volunteers!

[multiweb]

Nope. Sorry, clouds don't hang around. They blow mostly from the east and that doesn't happen often. The whole state was under clouds. I don't think it was specifically hanging just over Wiruna.


Are you serious? The ASNSW is ripping us off? Damn! :lol: I have to find another site then. These guys have been, feeding me and warming me up every month for $10.00. I'm outraged :whistle: Thanks for pointing the financial aspect of things. Oh, I forgot to mention I get free unlimited power for my rig too. No questions asked.


Nope. Been there nearly every month since 2007. Last week-end was truely the worst I've seen because of the wind on Friday. Out of 25 or so new moon visits I got rain only on 3 of them including the SPSP 2009.



Ok let's blame the ASNSW for the bad weather every time it gets cloudy in NSW. They chose the wrong state. :lol:

In a nutshell you've got to lighten up and stay away from the spicy stuff. It's giving you "irritations". The ASNSW go out of their way to make eveybody welcome and everybody's life easier on site. You don't like the weather or the site? Look the other way. Australia is big enough.

[iceman]

Indeed.

Andrew, whatever your beef with the ASNSW, please take it up personally with them. Please keep it out of this thread.

Any further discussion or debate in this thread about the ASNSW's selection of Wiruna may be deleted as off-topic.

[h0ughy]

MARC4DARKSKIES - i see from your website that you were the one camped down from us this year, you were sensible enough to have a cover over the fireplace LOL, (you can see my car, mikes and rods vehicles from you vista of your legs leading to the fire) (http://www.pbase.com/gailmarc/image/112913743):thumbsup:

[Enchilada]

Hey,
You removed one of my posts!!!.
Am I allowed to defend the claims of others by my position here?

[iceman]

No, the thread has reached its end. If you want to discuss Wiruna with the ASNSW committee and members, I suggest you head along to one of their meetings and debate it all you like.

Closing this thread, it's reached its end.

Great star party, ASNSW!