Read your post before posting

[astroron]

I am sick of reading peoples posts that are sometimes incomprehensible, with words missing, and sentences that don't make any sense at all:shrug: I can understand some spelling mistakes:P but whole words missing gets up my nose:mad2:
I wish people would do a simple read before posting. PLEASE:prey::prey::prey:
If they read their own posts surely they can see what is wrong, so why don't they go in and fix the offending sentence.

[kinetic]

Ron,

People in glass houses......? :)

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=418335#post418335

Seriously, I'm on your side mate!
I think the quality of basic spelling and punctuation on
some internet forums is atrocious.
You would think an astronomy forum would be a few notches
up from the bottom though. :D

Steve

[jjjnettie]

:sadeyes:
Just pass the posts over Ron.
Texting over the phone has murdered the English language.

[marki]

I snerp with ooger4 as sneesh standard ig grammer nog this um is tyoklhuop shocking :P

sum people just dont no nothing about ritein stuff (a triple negative :D).

Seriously Ron, I strongly suspect many posts on this forum are written when the Boss is not looking :lol:. Hey that could be a good poll. How many hours of work time per week do you waste whilst reading and posting on this forum.

[GrahamL]

But what if Ron has something important to say jjj ? ;)

I dont agree with judgeing others with the old spell checker particularly on message boards
You and I don't know much about the person on the other end .. a limited education , non english speaking background
or how about an intelectual dissability.. none of which should exclude participation .

[astroron]

Thanks Steve for pointing that out:) Fixed:thumbsup:
What I am saying is that for some people it is constant:(

[Davekyn]

No probs...I understand what your getting at Ron...can I just say that I do suffer from dyslexia and I make a lot of spelling mistakes. A lot of my problem was made worse by ridicule as I was growing up.

That said...I am getting better, I do beleive that if people take the time to read my posts, they can see that I try. I like to believe my wording is good enough to portray the easy going fella I am.

Hopefully that will make up for my short commings...I do agree though, it does make sense to do your best with a brief review of your post before submitting.

Excuse my mistakes ;P...if you note I do edit a lot...:)...I'll try not to use my iphone...Guilty as charged.

[astroron]

For what I can conceive, most people don't think I have much to say of any importance:P

[astroron]

Thank you Dave,:)We all make mistakes and as long as we try to rectify them, that is all that matters.
What I am saying is that people must not even read their posts before posting, or are to lazy to fix even the most glaring errors.:(
I have not noticed a great deal of problems with your posts:)

[BerrieK]

Yes, even the department of education and Universities have identified this:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/23/1082616309861.html

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24509335-2,00.html

[marki]

Ron, I do agree with you and often as I read through threads the teacher in me screams and just wants to attack posts with a big red pen drawing circles around all of the mistakes. I once marked a chemistry essay written entirely in phone text :(. Took me ages and I was not allowed to award a zero. But one thing I have learnt, as pointed out below, things are not always as they seem. I often look to see how many people read but do not reply to posts. Why is this? Can't they be bothered or are they lacking enough confidence to post? I say post away, mistakes and all as it makes the forum all the better.

Ciao Mark

[kinetic]

That is a very valid point Graham!

On a lighter note, I think the longer this thread continues, judging by the
mistakes so far, we are all looking a bunch of hypocrites! :D

Steve

[Davekyn]

Thanks Ron...I know that a lot of people blame computers for lack of spelling. But I have to say, for me...if I take note of the red line (auto correct) I actaully get better as time goes by. I still make mistakes of course, but do believe for some people who do suffer from bad spelling, that paying atention to the auto correct feature, can really help.

Using Linux or simply installing Mozilla is a great way to assist with your posts with regard to spelling. It gives an auto correct in the post boxes :)

[astroron]

I know people will scrutinize my posts in the future to find any mistakes, but if that makes me check my posts more thoroughly I will be happy:D

[DJDD]

Some people are not really bothered by slightly incomprehensible sentences or posts but are completely stressed-out when they see a "to" instead of a "too" or a "your" instead of "you're". :mad2:

Spelling and grammar are just like driving- we all make mistakes... :P

[Davekyn]

You know Ron, people might start on us about animated avatars:)...you in fact inspired me, so I put my profile togeather this very day. Now you've just improved my posts.

[astroron]

Steve, we can at least comprehend what is being written:)not some incomprehensible nonsense that some lazy people post:(
Yes I do have a dictionary by my computer, and yes still do make mistakes:D

[marki]

Yeah, those bloody animated avatars are more annoying then any error in grammer could ever be. Try to read a post and flash flash flash AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH:D

[astroron]

Thanks Dave.:thumbsup:

[MrB]

The worst case is when teachers make spelling mistakes :D

A 'pole' is what pretty girls dance with, a 'poll' is for voting.:thumbsup:

[marki]

What??? Teachers don't make mistakes, surely you jest. I suggest you read my post again:D.

[BerrieK]

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LOL I saw that!

It would be a lot worse if it was a sticky (pole)!!

[BerrieK]

Oops didnt mean to be rude :sadeyes:

[marki]

It's a good thing I teach Science and not English :D. No offence taken BerrieK.

PS. what sort of girls do you hang out with Simon? Poles indeed. This is a G rated site.

[GrahamL]

funny stuff:lol:

[BerrieK]

I'm sure that Simon was just referring to nice Polish boys!

[MrB]

ummmm..... :whistle:

[Miaplacidus]

A splendidly composed post is an ornament in any thread, tis true, but I must confess a fondness for the barely articulate rant delivered with passion and good humour.

Where is Alex (xelasnave), anyway?

Ciao for now,

Brian.

[marki]

So thats why I can't get the pretty girls to dance with me. I thought it was just a fear of being kicked to death but turns out it's because I am not Pole-ish enough :D.

[Enchilada]

Actually with me I have some trouble typing, and my weakened fingers just get tired after a few paragraphs. My own typing is usually using five or six fingers, converting to two when they need a rest. Also using the keyboard my text can be confused by some key left and or right. Ie. u, i and o, a and s, with e and r.

Also the hardest thing is concentrating and then constructing an argument or a logical progression and still type legibly and properly punctuate. Frankly, I instead think most typists are frankly not literarily disabled but technically or typing disabled.

As for this post, I know I have six or seven documents or e-mails to do, its 11.36 pm, and I want to be in bed by 12.30 am - yet if someone is worried I might say 'to' instead of 'too' or 'right' instead of 'write' - I have some questioning of why do I bother.

Sure I might like some of you guys, and I like to quickly converse with you, but if you like to worry on someone's grammar or their errors - well perhaps they might just do something else, or not contribute at all.

Another thing to some people who are contributing may have some kind of disability, either saying their type vocally (sight impaired), or have neurological problem (cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy, etc,) or even have slightly impaired vision or age related limitations (say, arthritis, which comes to mind.) As you don't physically see the person, it is hard to paint others with exactly the same brush. Most might be lazy - some are not! Some cannot even get past the absolute terror of making some mistake and someone coming down on them - discouraging contributions any all. (I.e. There is a guy up the road from me who can't spell or write. He can create the most magnificent woodwork, and has classes at home to teach others how to do it. He'd be a brilliant resource on the internet or some blog site - but he wouldn't last a week even on nice really friendly sites like this one!)

As a further point, rather than just grammar are those who write two or three sentences and then say nothing. Most needlessly congratulate someone, and then don't say why or anything else. I.e. 13 of 27 (c.50%) here has three lines or less. Some one who writes say roughly 20 lines - has more chance of making mistakes. If they say something relevant - as long as there is 95% comprehension - frankly who cares - at least they bothered to be involved.

Anyway - my 2 cents worth...
(Actually 5 cents, as you can't get two cents anymore in change)

Oh dear, enough rabbeting. All I am now wondering about us how many spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors I've now made - let alone what I'm trying to say. The other is worrying that I'm being harsh or have inadvertently somehow offended someone (must not be so bold next time?) :shrug: (some mistakes here were maid deliberetely)

Note: What I also do personally hate is insincerity or irrelevant rambling that is not about the topic in hand - but that's off the topic. :sadeyes: ) (i'm good at it) :lol:

[astroron]

So sorry astroron (Ron), with all respect, your contention just sounds a tad grumpy.

Enchilada,. if that's what you think, so be it:)

[badchap]

I get a bit unhappy about the erosion of the language, and my own typing, spelling and grammar are not always up to scratch.

But I do try to remind myself that English is not everyone's first language.

[Enchilada]

I did say; "The other is worrying that I'm being harsh or have inadvertently somehow offended someone."
Writing long replies makes little slip-ups now and then really easy.
Sorry. Not known for my sensitivity... perhaps next time I'll say nothing, so be it. :doh:

[badchap]

"Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a quay and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew. "
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/vbiis/images/misc/progress.gif

[Enchilada]

Darn, I knew my reply was missing something. That was it!
Really good point, though! Thanks. :thumbsup:

[astroron]

At least this thread has proven that people have a sense of humour:)
By the way the spell checker does not agree with the way I spell humour:screwy:

[Octane]

Gold.

[Glenhuon]

I think you will find that most spellcheckers favour the American spelling ( Humor). That's why I seldom use one :)

Bill

[Baddad]

I would like to contribute my view on this issue.
We have here a medium for communication of ideas, info, etc. I feel it is up to the individual as to how he or she wishes to put their message across. What spelling, conventions or little pictures are used contributes to how the message impacts the reader.
For example the various formats of birthday wishes that were aimed at jjj, I found quite entertainingly clever.
How else can one put such fun and good wishes across without being there in person?
I say: Go for it. Keep your spelling mistakes, its called individualism.
Marty

[astroron]

I will say my last word on this subject.:)
It is the absents of complete words that make sentences complete nonsense that I am concerned with.:)
I am not concerned with spelling mistakes and semi colons and the like.:P
Thanks for the interesting replies, they just show that there is some concern for at least some respect for the English language.:)
I hope we don't go down the text message format of speech on this site.:(
Cheers:thumbsup:

[Odlaw]

I agree with the poll and I waste many many hours scanning this site

[Baddad]

I agree to a certain extent Ron. I have found that some writers have limitations and their capacity appears wanting. This does not make them any less a person but requires some tolerance from the reader.

What may be blatant errors to us can appear quite correct to them.
Ofcourse there are unmotivated writers who don't review their post before submitting and these are the ones who, I understand, you are targetting.

A very good point Ron

Cheers, Marty

[Davekyn]

Well I for one, am glad this thread was made. As someone who is sensative on such issues, I have found the responses very encouraging. However I like the way Ron shoots & all sensativities aside; Ron has made a good point and proven himself to be a good sport in having done so.

My kids are even starting to use text lingo in there speach. Instead of actually laughing, they have to say the letters out loud. Now there even doing it on the radio. Next thing you know, news presenters will be spasmodically sounding out the alphabet.

So yea...I'm with you on that score Ron:)

[toryglen-boy]

TBH, i take this with a pinch of salt, and i find it ironic that its posted by someone who easly has the worse spelling on here, while bad spelling in itself isnt a crime, when its really bad it can make a sentence almost as nonsensical

pot. kettle. black


not that i dont like you fella !!


:P

[multiweb]

:lol: ok.... time for a chill pill guys :)

[troypiggo]

me agree
try type english goodly all posts
me want all read easy

Seriously... as an employer, I do have a bit of an issue with the degradation of writing skills in general. We've been recruiting lately, and the number of CVs with spelling and grammatical errors was staggering to me. These are people trying to impress a potential future employer in tough times when competition for the position is getting fierce, and they can't even get their own CV right.

One had 4 spelling mistakes in the first 2 paragraphs of their CV. They're an engineer going for a job where we specified communication skills are important, and they misspelled the word "Enginnering"! I stopped ready after that, sent a polite note back to the recruitment agent saying "no thanks". They asked for feedback, so I told them why and also asked them how/why they passed on the CV to us in that state as well!

Back on topic... I understand these forums attract a diverse range of members with different education levels etc. English may not even be their primary language. That's fine. This is a casual medium and it's all about learning IMO. As long as the message gets across, I'm satisfied.

But some of the reading skills is pretty ordinary, too. The number of posts where there's multiple questions asked, or a specific question is posted, and replies come thick and fast about everything other than what was asked.

</rant>

[avandonk]

Lack of ability should not be an impediment to posting. Sloppyness and/or lazyness is up to the poster. If they want to come across as someone who is a bit short of care to what they are trying to convey. So be it.

I try to get it right and sometimes I am caught out as I type (three fingers) without looking at the screen. Then after I review my post someone has quoted me already with all the spelling and grammar mistakes.

I only get upst if the meaning and/or content is dubious. Not the text.

It is a good point but hardly something to really be concerned about.

I do not even know why I am bothering to even reply to this thread.

Bert

[Davekyn]

Agrees...time to pass around the chill pills. Would be a shame for this thread to be removed. There is a lot of good stuff in it from all sides.

[astroron]

What a load of crap

[toryglen-boy]

eh?

what did you expect? TBH Ron, this thread was always gonna be viewed from many angles, one of which would be an antagonistic one, i would never have posted this thread because i know for a fact, it would have gotten a few noses out of joint, so you don't like what i have to say, although you can have yours?

Your spelling sucks Ron, and i mean its REALLY bad, but that doesnt make you a bad person, and i am certainly not gonna judge you on it, or your IQ.

All i am saying is, that if your gonna post things like this, make sure your posts are immaculate, and be prepared for a blacklash, and strong opinions.

i am guilty of sometimes saying things over in my head, and in my haste put that to the keyboard, i can sometimes miss words, we have all done it, just as you have posted a few threads on here with spelling so bad in the title it made me go ... "eh ????" :shrug:

TBH, i think in the interest of all involved, this thread has ran its course, and should be locked.

but thats not my decision.

[jjjnettie]

:(
Enough now.

[toryglen-boy]

my thoughts exactly

[astroron]

If you judge my spelling to be the worst on this site, then you couldn't judge an Egg and spoon race with one person in it:)

[troypiggo]

That's golden. :rofl:
How many errors in one sentence before it "sucks"? :P

[toryglen-boy]

grammatically there are some anomalies in there, but there are no spelling mistakes per se.


awesome !!


:P

[Davekyn]

At least it's getting funny again Ron :) Right with ya ;) Edit...my mistake...Don't mean to side...no offense intended.

[avandonk]

From now on I will carefully monitor all posts by people who think that they have all the answers as far as grammar and spelling. You have been warned.

Bert

[astroron]

Duncan,if you had read all of my posts on this matter I stated that spelling was not the main problem, but missed words which made the posts unreadable.
For one who finds it easy to knock me,please go and look in the mirror before throwing stones.

[Barrykgerdes]

My biggset toruble is my fnigers hvae dyslexia

aBrry

[Davekyn]

That's ok Barry,
makes it easier for me to read. Hehe:)

[toryglen-boy]

i am not knocking anyone.

All i said was, its a bit rich for someone to comment on ANY posting issues, when they themselves have awful spelling that could wind others up.

i believe i was also quick to point out that i wasnt judging you.

:P

[PeterM]

All calm down, please re-read the very first post that Ron put up. It has nothing whatsoever to do with spelling and grammar - gee whiz I can live with that. Try reading my sons SMS messages at least they make sense. All Ron has done with good intent and for the bettering of this site was ask people to re-read their post prior to sending to ensure whatever they were wanting to get across made sense to others who might read it. Attention should also be drawn to the fact that there is an edit button for those posting to tidy up things if needed later. We all make mistakes that's for sure but please lets keep this thread civil.
PeterM.

[toryglen-boy]

This thread should be closed forthwith, as its really starting to make me angry, ranging from people who think making an intelligent post only comes from using the correct vernacular, and shockingly bad spelling is perfectly acceptable, going all the way down to Peter Perfects who seems to have a habit of cropping up in threads giving a very pious opinion, and talking to me like i am 5, and its not the first time.

Language and its use is evolving all the time, get over it.

If I wound anyone up, then i am sorry.

If I offended anyone then i am sorry.

Now, for the love of God, would a mod please lock this thread


:mad2:

[Davekyn]

Roger that Peter.

[RB]

We keep an eye on all the threads Duncan, thanks.
It's a discussion and people are expressing their views.
As long as we all stay civil.

:)

[toryglen-boy]

I hear you Andrew, and its good that you guys stay on the backfoot.

I personally dont want to enter into this dicussion any longer, and would rather get back to Astronomy

:P

[multiweb]

:scared3: ok to come out now? :rofl:This thread is growing faster than I can type. Too much presshure. argh!.... Im douing eet agen!

[dugnsuz]

"disgrase"
"humer"
"Prefares"
"optermistic"

Physician heal thyself!!
:lol:

[toryglen-boy]

:whistle:

[ngcles]

Hi All,



So how do I go about nominating this piece for the pullet-surprise???

(Sorry, couldn't resist! :P:P)


Best,

Les D

[multiweb]

Hey doug you forgot the mother of them all ....

SACREBLEU! :jawdrop::rofl:

[dugnsuz]

Hope that wasn't one of mine!?:)

[Baddad]

On the lighter side. Professor of languages on ABC radio came up with a good one today. I thought it appropriate to post.

"I had a student who used a strong swear word in conversation. Not just once but every third word was this vulgar interception."

"I asked him whether he knew the meaninig of the word."
"Ofcourse I do." Was his reply,
"So why do you use it?" The Prof asked.
"'cause I'm a student and don't wan'na sound toffy nosed like you!"

"And so I was put in my place." :D

[multiweb]

Sorry Marty, you are in breach for not spelling the word technician right under your avatar :lol:

[Baddad]

RAFL (Rolls around on floor laughing)
I concede.:doh:

[h0ughy]

ok while you nice people sort out your word issues you can do one of these, then I want a story made up of the letters left:whistle:

on Rons first post - i often type a response, send it, then go back in and edit it!- it comes from having opposing thumbs for evert digit - typing is not natural.

[erick]

I just came across this sentence. It was posted by the Iceman on 16 June 2006:-

"Very true, so as a reminder to everyone - let's remember to re-read our post before we press submit."

:whistle:

[DeanoNZL]

Hi all eager followers of this thread.
My darling wife purchased for me, on my wedding day, a book called "The Husbands Little Book of Quotes"
One which stuck in my head was " It takes a wise man to have the last say, and NOT use it":D

[astroron]

My last post on this subject was 58 we are now on 79 including this one:P

[h0ughy]

:rofl: pardon me i just noticed your signature - there is indeed a fine line:lol:

[Ric]

A good point Eric.

My usual plan of attack for a post is to
A) Type it out.

B) Read it and correct the spelling
(usually caused by my bad typing skills);)

C) Re-read it again to see if it makes sense. This part is of course
dependent on the amount of Vino that has been tippled.:drink:

D) Add smileys if required.:rofl:

Cheers :)

[Dennis]

And let’s not forget, we all have so much more in common than our at times fragile egos may lead us to believe, especially when we find ourselves in an agitated condition.:)


We all love astronomy.
We’re all members of the IIS community, as well as the human race.
We are the fortunate few; our mundane problems can be swept aside when we lift our eyes each night, to feast on the celestial delights in the amazing skies of this grand land down under.
We all make mistakes, say and do daft things.
At the time, these may seem important.
But no one is dropping bombs on our homes.
Or shooting at us.
With time, our arguments and differences fade away.
Become dim and distant memories.
No longer hot under the collar.
So let’s live and let live.
Forgive and forget.
Accept our differences.

Viva l'Astronomie
Viva bonhomie!
Viva la difference!
Viva La Vida Loca!

Cheers

Dennis

[toryglen-boy]

awesome !!

:P

[h0ughy]

;):thumbsup:

[erick]

Not tonight! Grrrr! Cloud!! Let's keep fighting until the sky clears. :mad2:

[PeterM]

Hi there Toryglen-boy
"Peter Perfects" "very pious Opinion" "habit of cropping up" Lol you have made my day, more humour in this thread I say.
However "talking to you like your 5 and it's not the first time" have me completely stumped as I have looked backed through all my posts and I see no reference or inference to you? If there is anything that I have posted that offends you then I apologise, but I really don't know what for. Those who know me on this site know that is not what I am about. Sure lets get back to the Astronomy, that's why we are here.
PeterM.

[astroron]

You seem to love the word, you spell it rather well;)

[toryglen-boy]

yes, obstreperous of me i know, but what can i say? sometimes i get intoxicated by the exhuberance of my own verbosity

and its awesome !!


;)

[Enchilada]

I am really very offended with aspects of the implication of this thread.
What is most offensive is the starter of this thread's saying;

"If they read their own posts surely they can see what is wrong, so why don't they go in and fix the offending sentence."

The point is there are people who have various forms of disabilities who can't "avoid" being wrong.

I am one of them!!

It is not their thought processes that is the problem - it is physically doing the conversion from the thought to the act of typing the text.

Plainly this suggestion it another intimidating form of unwarranted discrimination.

[astroron]

I think you have taken this thread out of all proportion:(
I had no thoughts what so ever along those lines.
The post was not an attack on anybodies disabilities, but a plea for people to read before they post.
I am not to know who has a disability or not, but the post was for the general membership.
I take offense at your inference:(
In reading your posts in the past, I have seen no reason to complain:)

[astroron]

This post must have something going for it, with over 1000 views and 90 posts:D:D:D

[Enchilada]

... and that is EXACTLY the problem!!!

[multiweb]

oohh...I see. too much red chilly. your smilies are turning red too :)

[troypiggo]

Hey! That's my word (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=41675)! :)

[astroron]

You seem to be doing very well for someone who has a problem:)

[Enchilada]

Now let trying a condescending approach, eh?
Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about me.
How about the other half-a-million of the Australian population that might also have some problem?

[AlexN]

Awesome!

I'll say this.. I don't like it when something is difficult to read due to excessive mistakes in spelling, or words missing, or totally misused; That said I'm certain that I've done it before... And fairly certain that it will happen again.. Its all that excitement after a nights imaging; then an early morning spent processing, ready to post the pics.. I rant and ramble without any regard for my spelling/grammar/punctuation.. I just want the pics on the forum ASAP!! :)

So I will try to make things more understandable and refrain from crazy misuse of words etc. However I wont make any promises.. :)

Alex.

[PeterM]

I am the father and primary carer of a severley disabled 21 year old son. I spend a lot of time with people with various disabilities who get their messages, verbal and written across far better and clearer than many of us. Indeed your post is clearly presented Enchilada but I take none and I see no discrimination or offence in Rons original post whatsoever. How did this thread get so far off track?
PeterM.

[RB]

Through a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes perhaps. :lol:

[astroron]

If we had to think that every time we write a post that some person in the thousands out there who might read it might take offense because of a disability they have, we would be all saints and have to put a disclaimer saying no offense to people with a disability meant:shrug:

[Octane]

Out of 10 stars, I rate this thread an 11.

It provided great entertainment during the quiet times at work.

On a spelling related note, and, to make this portion of the thread all about me, I don't mind how people spell my name. Having been born and raised here, I've put up with every single permutation and combination one can think of. But, for the record, it isn't Humayan! :P

Regards,
Humayun

[matt]

Spot-on Dennis....

I think we all need to try a little tolerance and not sweat the small stuff.

God knows I'm grateful for the tolerances shown toward me as I travel through life:)

[Dennis]

In my experience, when I write something down, I “see” the words in my mind and even though I review my posts reasonably diligently, I am often astounded by my capacity of self-deception!

I could swear that not only did I write exactly what I was thinking, but the paragraph is written faithfully and completely as per my thoughts.

Often later, when I have sufficient space, distance or time between what I actually wrote and what I thought I wrote, it is amazing to see, in plain B&W, the errors or omissions between perceived thoughts and actual keyboard presses. Whoops!

I am used to reviewing technical documents written by very smart people and it’s quite surprising how the author can become too saturated with their own work; so familiar with it that they cannot see what later turns out to be quite glaring errors or omissions.

Such is human nature.

Cheers

Dennis

[h0ughy]

the kids do the wordfind RB? be the only correct thing left:whistle:

[h0ughy]

Ah you have read the budget report too? I think that we need some clear skies;)

[matt]

Again....'sagely' words, Dennis:thumbsup:

[okiscopey]

OK, here are more things that get my goat (and he's really very annoyed now):

1. Post titles that don't tell you what it's about (e.g. "Need help; "Scope for sale", etc.)

2. Ice Trade posts where you can't tell whether the person is 'selling' or 'wanting to buy'.

3. Trades where you only find out the item's been sold when you start reading them.

4. Great astro photos but sometimes woeful photos of equipment, etc. (Hint: To best show off your stuff for sale, don't use direct flash, arrange some sort of diffuse lighting ... outside under cloud is good. There's been rather a lot of 'tent' lighting recently so there's no excuse.)

5. flowof consiousness sort of Stuff that a lacking any punctuation andor b go on for ever and ever with typas all over the plaice and even, wrong apostrophie's and no real structeur or stuff like that know what i mean its possibly forgivable sometimes as the state of educatn of today but usually never justifyable I reckon?

6. Deliberate or sureptitious (sorry, surreptitious) cruelty to goats in any post.

There's more, but I can't think of any at the moment, and anyway, complaining isn't going to get anyone anywhere, so what's the point?

Uh-oh, it's happy hour now, so ... :P

[RB]

It's their homework for tonight. :whistle:

[h0ughy]

so is Humayan the plural for Humayun:D:whistle:

[h0ughy]

:doh: should get my daughter to do it:lol:

[Dennis]

I thought it was some macho, sexy, American all terrain 4WD vehicle designed for the US Army and driven by Arnie!:lol:

Sorry H!:whistle:

Cheers

Dennis

[h0ughy]

Hi Mike, be a nice klear nite there tonight; setup?

[Enchilada]

This statement is even more grossly offensive!!
Enough!
This is not about YOU!!

[multiweb]

whoohoo!... Jalapenos bonanza :cool:

[astroron]

Not about me:shrug:

I am really very offended with aspects of the implication of this thread.
What is most offensive is the starter of this thread's saying;

"If they read their own posts surely they can see what is wrong, so why don't they go in and fix the offending sentence."

[multiweb]

Guys, c'mon. have a beer and set-up. It's gonna be a clear night. :lol:

[AlexN]

I have to ____ in the morning at _ am, So no setting up ___ me tonight.

The weekend _____ to be a stunner, so I'll do some _______ then :)

Ps. Everyone needs to step back from the computers, and calm down. Nobody here is having a go at anyone else on a personal level. Perhaps a bit of tolerance would go a long way right about now...

[Dennis]

Work
5:00
for
is guaranteed
long focal length imaging

Cheers

Dennis

[theodog]

Oh dear.........

Quick..... look out side, it's clearing.

[astroron]

Stolen from the ABC Web site:)
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil

So Senator Cory Bernardi told a jocular story of an unnamed parliamentarian and lost for a while his chance of a federal ministry. Federal Court Judge Marcus Einfeld named a deceased person as having driven his car on a night when no injury occurred and was threatened with year in jail. Opposition Leader John Brogden uttered three words, "mail order bride", and was so politically punished for it that within ten days he attempted suicide.

Tony Abbott uttered two words, "people skills", and was hounded out of a chance at the Prime Ministership, forever perhaps.

George W Bush, by contrast, ordered the killing by lethal injection of 150 Texans, including a woman, the first in 100 years, and was offered a shot at the Presidency. The two young coppers who shot seven times in the head a man innocent of any wrong on the London tube train and were found to have "acted appropriately".

Words can get you into big trouble, it seems, while deeds, violent, cruel, sometimes fatal deeds go lavishly unpunished. The soldiers who killed a family for driving their usual way home were found to have "acted within the guidelines".

Matt Brown, meanwhile, for having said "titty-f***ing", though no-one present heard him say it, and he says he didn't say it, may lose his political career. Harbajhan Singh for saying "monkey" nearly lost his sporting career.

Andrew Symonds for upbraiding an umpire was sent into rehab to rectify his emotional instability. For saying at a private gathering that some provincial Americans "cling to guns and religion" Barack Obama was thought to have lost, in seven syllables, the Presidency.

For saying "At last I can feel proud of my country", Michelle Obama, a descendant of black American slaves, was accused of intellectual treason and thought unfit for the White House. The two words "at last" put John McCain ahead that week, the way they would.

It's been thought that if the young London coppers, instead of shooting Jean Charles de Menezes seven times in the head, had called him a "spick" or a "lousy dago" they might have lost their jobs. As things turned out their preferred option may have earned them a promotion.

What is going on here? What indeed is meant by the concept "freedom of speech"? The freedom to lose your livelihood, your family happiness, your career path, your one life on earth, because of one small thing you say?

Moses stoning Jews to death for picking flowers on a Saturday was thought to have acted excessively until recently, but perhaps no more. He was doing what we do lately, punishing trivial deeds with harsh and mortal retribution.

Words, it seems, have magical potency still. The word "****" is thought to be harmful, and is still not printed in some newspapers. The word "pissed" (as in "pissed as a fart") once got Mike Carlton removed from the airwaves. The words "raw meat" had Sheikh Hilali threatened with banishment from Australia. Had he instead said "eye candy" he might, I suppose, have suffered helicopter gunship attack by the Australian equivalent of Ehud Olmert, Pru Goward.

The word for the process with which we begin life is thought unspeakable too and the word for the female organ, unprintable even here, is treated like a molotov cocktail though it's most common meaning is "inconsiderate person".

What is going on here? It feels like a scaled-down rerun of the sixteenth century, in which Tyndale was burnt at the stake for putting out the New Testament in English, Cranmer burnt at the stake for writing the Book of Common Prayer in that same language and the hands of several provincial pamphleteers cut off for uppity thoughts on the Virgin Queen.

And Jews who denied the true Christ were burned, imprisoned or tortured too, a bit like those who deny the Holocaust in Austria today.

It is a world not far from wooden crosses held up to ward off vampires, or chicken livers delved to predict the course of battles, or fatal diseases blamed on the witchery of the crone next door; it is a world in which one convocation of letters can be thought evil, and evil-spreading, and another harmless, or positively beneficial.

Words matter we are told, and deeds matter less if intentions are good, but I'm not sure why this might be so.

In Clint Eastwood's Gran Torino every vile racist epithet is shouted or muttered by a good, sad, decent ex-army widower who knows it is deeds that count, not words, and nobody he curses minds much, nor should they, for he is such a good neighbour in other ways.

The foulest words, moreover, are aimed in South Park at four-year-olds and nobody minds much, nor should they.

Hitler's racist rants continue to fester on library shelves or blurt from history channels and nobody minds much, nor should they. Fred Nile continues to threaten merciless hellfire to sodomites forever and nobody minds much, nor should they, though some think his notions of just punishment disproportionate.

And yet the verballing of politicians for luckless adjectives goes on, and no-one remarks on its nastiness. Barnaby Joyce is arraigned for doubting global warming and kicked round the walls like, he says, "a Holocaust denier" and is then kicked round the walls for saying "Holocaust".

Kevin Rudd calls a picture of a nude pubescent girl "disgusting" and and is thought no longer fit to lead the Labor Party. Belinda Neal upbraids a waiter (why shouldn't she?) and is thought no longer fit for public office. Julie Bishop makes a cat's-claw scratching motion in Question Time (why shouldn't she?) and is upended out of the Treasury. Julia Gillard calls Christopher Pyne "mincing" (why shouldn't she?) and is thought to have "over-stepped the line". Joe Biden calls Barack Obama "clean" and is asked to leave, a proven racist, the presidential primaries.

And Australians blow up children in an Afghan village and are pretty much praised for it. And the five million Iraqis crippled, killed, dispossessed and harassed into exile are judged mere by-blows of "a policy that's working". And a child dies every 30 seconds thanks to free trade, "the only economic policy that makes sense".

Deeds, not words, Christ advises, are the things we should be judged by. Deeds, not words. Take that on board, you punk, you punk, you worthless, snivelling, scum-sucking punk.

Make my day.

Or else explain, yes, please explain what the (expletive deleted) is going on here?

Make my day.

[Enchilada]

Let's see.... "Subtle discrimination involves setting a condition or requirement which a smaller proportion of those with the attribute are able to comply with, without reasonable justification."

[kinetic]

Alex, :)

[AlexN]

Haha.. Nice try Steve...

Dennis got it spot on... Word for word almost.. The man is a mind reader!

[BerrieK]

OH MY what happened here?

Yes, it does seem to be clear outside...

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?" (Friedrich Nietzsche)


Where did the nice Polish boys go from last night?

[RB]

It's time to say "Asta-la Vista baby" ...... :)

Let's move on please everyone, let's hope we all enjoy a lovely clear night under the stars !