Hoons

[Ian Robinson]

Should the NSW government and it's state government government peers introduce a ZERO TOLERANCE for hooning on public streets and roads (anytime anywhere) , one strilke and your licence is history , and kiss good bye to the car (it's now longer your's , it is automatically gifted to the Police Force for use as a patrol car - but you just have to keep paying the loan off) policy , and introduce crippling monster sized on the spot fines ?

Yes I'm mighty annoyed by these cretins taking over wharf road , Kormorant Rd , the bypass and the industrial HW , and the car parks near Nobbys BW and beach and making a hell of a racket in my local neighbourhood most nights of the week (all hours of the night).
Have had several near misses where they have been street racing and run stop signs and red lights and near wiped me out , and am no longer game to park at Nobby's Beach car park overnight to go up Nobbys to fish through the night - likely to come back and find the car side swiped or written off.

Lost count of the number of times I have called the cops when in town and they are hooning anywhere near me , even given number plates and descriptions of the cars and drivers when I see them , or called the cops when at home to complaign when woken up by reving and screeching tires.

Do these idiots leave their brains at the garage door as soon as they drive down the driveway ?

[leon]

Do these idiots leave their brains at the garage door as soon as they drive down the driveway ?

Unfortunatly Ian, they do, we have the same problem here on most nights, ever intersection has rubber circles.

Do it once, huge fine, second time car crushed,

Leon

[xelasnave]

Think good thoughts when confronted with stupidity
alex

[Ian Robinson]

I'm not that forgiving or tolerant.

[Wavytone]

They never had any brains.

In the Sydney CBD there was a lot of trouble along Hicksons Rd on Friday nights a while back; one of the hoons cars was crushed and is in the roundabout at the northen end as a reminder.

Second time the car is crushed, as above.

[bojan]

And quite rightly so. :thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Crush them, crush them, crush them...hows that for good thoughts.

I am concerned about these kids...maybe they come from families where they were subject to nutritional deprivation... maybe they have no bank close by where they can save their money...maybe they have too much money... maybe they are mentally challenged and have fallen for the promos that fast cars are cool... maybe the car racing on TV boils their brains.... they just need educating maybe... crushing their cars with them in them could well demonstrate the peril of being in a car accident.

Anyways crush them all
alex

[bojan]

No need to crush them, mate.. that's what they will do themselves.. if police let them go away with their car and driving license. Perhaps killing someone else in the process.
Collateral damage, eh?

[TrevorW]

Remember we were kids once and we did stupid things but we did have a general fear and respect of authority, respected most elders and teachers, and respected peoples property and the community.

However young people these days respect no one not even themselves, anarchy reigns.

Young people are not taught to respect others, acorporal punishment was removed from home and schools because Johnny shouldn't be smacked even when he's naughty.

We loose sight of the big picture when we over protect the guilty and innocent by removing the ability of a minority in positions of authority abusing their power instead of ensuring the guardians are guarded.

Remember, "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one"

[Benny L]

I'm all for punishing the hoons, if you are caught being an idiot then you should pay the price...

What does annoy me, is that the minority of idiots tarnish the rest of the car enthusiasts, like myself, with the same dirty brush and we all have to pay for someone else's complete disregard for road safety.

by all means crush a few cars to get the message across, but you will find people going out and buying $500 bombs and thrashing those around instead..

[Ian Robinson]

Car enthusiasts who don't make a pest of themselves or behave in antisocial or illegal manners I have no problem with what so ever, though it can be annoying when lots of them gathers and it becomes impossible to get a park near my favourate fishing haunts....but hey they are just as entitled as I am to enjoy a nice avo or evening or night near the beach or the foreshore , and it is nice there in summer.

[deadsimple]

We've got a few hoons living in our street, unrelated and in different houses. All own sports cars with exhaust pipes bigger than my head, the low frequency hum when they drive by causes my windows to resonate and make a huge amount of secondary noise. Problem is they are shift workers ... one of them starts idling and revving at 4.30am, the other at 5am, and another at 6am. You can see them on the weekends, bonnets popped .. tuning their cars and polishing their exhaust pipes :)

Oh they drive me nuts. Note to self: never ever live near a major shopping centre or fast food joint like McDonalds/HJ - they attract hoons like crazy!

[koputai]

Easy, if you don't like living in an area where the youth act like you did when you were young, move to a nicer neighbourhood!

Cheers,
Jason.

[Ian Robinson]

Why should he leave ?.... he's not the one doing the wrong thing , he's entitled , hoons don't have a right to behave in dangerous and antisocial manners and their behaviour is illegal , and there are laws against noise pollution too.

The guys he describes sound like real ignoramuses and they obviously don't give a toss about anyone else . luckily young hoons eventually all leave mummy's and daddy's home and lots of them kill themselves in "accidents".

His best bet is to make a pest of himself making complaints to the cops and the local council and back these up by keeping records / logs of when and who and cars and licences plates and what is happening , it works.

[Jen]

I totally agree that the hoon laws should be a lot tougher but i must say just one thing im sure each and every one of you cant say you have never been a hoon at least once or twice in your younger days :lol: we are now just older and wiser :thumbsup:
(speaking as a bit of a rev head back in her day):whistle:
i love fast cars and the sound of a purring engine in a drive through bottleshop :lol::lol: (wishing i still had my 253 torana and my 350 chev monaro):lol:
:driving:

[Alchemy]

regardless of the rights or wrongs ... this is the best solution, find somewhere nice , quiet and civilized.

you will not change the rest of society, and you will wear yourself out trying.

[thorsdad]

We all have hobbies. As amateur astronomers, we are probably mainly a quiet bunch, with RA and Dec motors humming quietly in the back yard.
What these hoons do on the road is unacceptable, but whenever I see a story on the news that someone has crashed their car and it shouldn't happen, etc, etc, there is no mention of any outlets for these people's enthusiasm, in a safe and controlled manner.
I have been a member of car clubs and motor racing clubs for the past 7 years, and these clubs cater for car enthusiasts, whether you want to go on a cruise with heaps of other cars, or race around a track, or do a show and shine and show off your nicely prepared car etc. Some places like Calder Park in Vic offer legal off street drags on a Friday night, and I'm sure other venues around the place offer drag nights. Many cars are being marketed on their performance levels, so if you go out and buy one of these 500 hp things, you may as well see what she can do, in a safe and controlled manner.

Cheers :thumbsup:

[Ian Robinson]

Sorry .... never in my case , was too busy working shiftwork and studying and the cars I bought were the likes of Mazda 323s (1300 and 1400 ccs), and pulsars (1200 cc) when I fished school and in my early 20s, power machines they were not.
Then I became a family man, and upped to a station wagons , hooning was the furthest thing from my mind.

The sound of a reving engine does absolutely nothing for me and never did.

[matt]

Sorry....no hoonery here, either:shrug:

[Ian Robinson]

The only good excuse to buy such powerful machines is to tow something like a big heavy boat or caravan, otherwise, there is no reason to own one, and they should certainly not be sold to teens and people who don't have a good legitimate (and legal) reason to buy them.

[xelasnave]

And folk wonder why I am a hermit.
There is nothing to compare with creating the environment you prefer and I like peace and quiet these days.
Before I started racing (mx) I was a hoon and had various fast cars but being able to get rid of the urge on the track I became extremly sedate and so I feel if the Government allows fast cars and hot up gear to be sold they must police the consequence with greater determination than the hipocritical hand wringing displayed when a tradey occurs which is clearly attributed to street racing....cause that is the only time the problem is addressed and only then in a vote seeking effort.
Legislation can change things...otherwise why get into the carbon tax thing.

alex

[toyos]

I'm with you 100% on this. I drive high-powered sports cars on the tracks, and I can say that on public roads I drive with more brain than those driving pulsars, old commodores, excels, etc. These hoons are just the minority, and many of them are not even real car enthusiasts, they're mostly P-platers doing stupid things with ANY car they can get their hands on.

[badchap]

IIRC, the term "zero tolerance" means that the law enforcement member is not able to exercise any discretion when an offence is detected.. an offender has to be charged with any and all of the relevant offences. So there would be no 'turning a blind eye',or only giving a warning, or giving one 'on the spot fine' instead of doing the whole brief of evidence for court thing..
It is not so much about harsher penalties or unyielding punishments.

[Ian Robinson]

Zero tolerance is the way to go , they hoon , they are charged and loose the vehicle and their licence and cop a monster fine .... no ifs, no buts, no second chances.

[jjjnettie]

Give them a warning first off, then if they offend again, take their cars off them.
Then until they are 25, the only car they are allowed to drive is a metallic pink 3 cylinder Suzuki Hatch Back.

[Ian Robinson]

with no more than 2 seats , and less than 800cc .

:rofl:

[jjjnettie]

:rofl:
And the radio dial super glued to the ABC talkback radio station.

[PCH]

And what do I then do with mine ???:P:rofl:

[Ian Robinson]

Or ABC 24 hr News Radio....

[jjjnettie]

LOLOL
We sold our metallic purple 3cyl 800cc suzi to my son as his first car.
It was a good little car that got him from A to B.

[Arthur Alchin]

I speak from several angles: (1) having been a "semi-hoon" in my teen year (early '70s), (2) being a person these days who listens to and gets woken up by the noise of these guys and (3) being a health care worker who worked in the Emergency Department of large hospitals for about 16 years (putting these guys and other victims back together).

I agree, get rid of their cars they will get another and drive unlicenced, as you have all said they don't respect authority anyway.

Whats the solution: build them a racetrack away from residential areas, and make them sign a waiver to exonerate anyone from having to be liable for their behaviour and let them do whatever ???

The only way i really leant my lesson was to be in a near collision where i believe some "superior being or something" saved the day: scared the living sh.. out of me and made me face realty very quickly, luckily no person or car was injured as a result of my stupidity.

Make them sit through a movie of a postmortem examination of a young person who has died in a car accident, and i mean make them sit through it in it's entirity, for heaven sake the forensic pathologist, police and mortuary assistants have to be there throughout the examination and they played no part in the person's death.

[Ian Robinson]

Make illegal for anyone under the age of 25 to be sold cars capable of hooning , and for these young people to be behind the wheel of such wheels.

Zero tolerance.

[jungle11]

I was hoon - loved speed and did some stupid things with mates (its almost always with mates) I'd tell myself 'Yep I know the risks but she'll be right - crap like that.
Then, 2 years ago now, a best friend was a passenger in a car (4 people including the driver) They were on their way to the meat works outside Toowoomba along a backroad when they crashed.
Police said they were travelling around 180, passed a car on a rise, another car came over the hill towards them. They lost control, hit a culvert, became airbourne, snapped a telephone pole (and the car) in half.
The other three died instantly and my mate was in a coma for three days before he died. He had a 2yr old daughter, and his current girlfriend at the time was due with his 2nd daughter in 6 weeks time.
At least the other cars occupants were not hurt.
A lot of young fellas know the risks, but they dont understand them. Needless to say - I am cured of this particular brand of stupidity. But why did it have to take something like that to get through to me?

Zero tolerance - if young blokes are too stupid to do it themselves - it has to be done for them.

[torana68]

[quote=Jen;389963]I totally agree that the hoon laws should be a lot tougher
.....dunno they are fairly tough now, more Police to inforce the law might be a good idea, there isnt enough time in their day at the moment to do everything. Its also impossable to write legislation to prevent idiots.
i love fast cars and the sound of a purring engine in a drive through bottleshop :lol::lol: (wishing i still had my 253 torana and my 350 chev monaro):lol:

yep thats all good! ..... If a car really is that noisey file a complaint with the RTA (or whatever wherever you are) they even have a form for you to do it on...........................instea d of crushing the cars can I have a couple of them?:D
Roger

[Ian Robinson]

I get really worried when approaching crests on country roads in daylight hours , you never know if some moron is on the wrong side of the road or overtaking over the double yellows coming the other way .... I go as far to the left as I can just in case .... I feel happier at night , at least you can see the beams of their lights before you see the car.

[Ian Robinson]

[quote=torana68;390685]

They break the rules , break the law , endanger everyone else , crush their cars ---- zero tolerance.

[Jen]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Zuts]

I am sick of these divisive threads, 'Hoons' what a lovely inclusive christmassy title for a thread.

Ian, the previous post of yours must be about the 10th re-hash of you saying exactly the same thing.

I think it's about time the moderators locked this thread. It doesn't belong on a site like this and serves absolutely no purpose except for groups of people to slang of at other people..

[iceman]

Thanks Paul.
My thoughts exactly.