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kinetic
21-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Hi all,

A quick Sunday afternoon project today was some modifications
to the GSO 8x50 Right Angle Correct View Finder.

A previous thread on IIS mentioned focus issues especially the
cross hairs being out of focus.

Today I pulled it to bits to see if I could tweak the focus of the
crosshair ring and also the main focus. Mine was slightly out
on both.

Here is what I did:
When you unscrew the eyepiece barrel and flip it upside down to
look into it, the first element is the crosshair ring. This doubles as the
locking ring for the entire optical assembly of the eyepiece barrel.
Gently trying to unscrew it with a screwdriver in one of the grooves,
I could move it and undo it.
With a few turns and a re-check, the crosshairs were now in perfect focus,
but because I loosened the lock ring/ crosshair ring, the lens elements
were all loose as well.

So I had to think of a way to put in a spacer ring to make up for the gap
I had introduced by loosening the crosshair ring.

Again I unscrewed the crosshair ring but this time all the way to the end
of the thread, so it was ready to come out.
I flipped the whole barrel over carefully on to a piece of A4 paper and lifted
off the barrel outer case.
The elements all sat on top of each other in order on the A4 and I took a
moment to sketch what went where especially the direction of the
two glass elements: a doublet and a single element (does that make it a
singlet? :)

When you flip over the crosshair ring and look at it from underneath, I saw
4 grooves like the 2 screwdriver grooves on the other side of it.
These are the grooves that the hairs lay in. In this case it looks like they
used very fine copper wire and held them with epoxy or superglue.
I then added a spacer between the crosshair ring (1) and the plastic spacer
barrel (2). I made this from a sliver of 20mm PVC conduit and blackened it
with a black felt pen.
The height of this new spacer ring was the estimated amount I had backed
the crosshair ring out to get focus. It was about 2mm. Everyone's will probably
be different. Mine is focused for MY eyes, and looks slightly blurry to my wife.

This is when I decided to do something completely rash and install a
red LED to illuminate the crosshairs.

Adding the Red LED:
I re-assembled the eyepiece again and looked down into it again from
the crosshairs end.

Mounting a LED through the side wall would mean drilling through both
the outer barrel case and the plastic spacer (2). This would illuminate the
crosshairs from above so they should look well lit from also above as
you look into the first lens (the eye lens?)
I had a choice of a few different LEDs in my junk collection and settled
for a diffused lens 3mm type.
I added some wires to it, added some heatshrink to the joints and bent the
legs over. I also blacked out the upward facing side of the LED to stop
it shining up at me through the eyepiece.
Once again, un-assembled , I drilled the outer case where the yellow X is,
and once again, re-assembled the eyepiece and carefully drilled through
the inner spacer (2). That hole ended up where the yellow X is on the pic.

I pulled it apart once again to get rid of the plastic debris from drilling and
this is where I broke one hair on the crosshair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Replacing the crosshairs:
Fortunately, I have done this repair job before on a riflescope I use for
a Finderscope, and also on a homemade finder I built once.
For both I used fibre-optic glass which is perfect because it glows
under illumination and sits dead straight. No need to tension the hair
while glueing.
I do fibre optic work for a living so I had a bit lying around,
stripped it back and cleaned it with Isoprop, and glued it down with
some wood glue. An hour in the sun and it was ready to assemble.

The LED illuminates beautifully on the fibre and works best when it
shines down on an equally spaced gap between both hairs.
Picture hairs at 12 o'clock and 3 o'clock....you need to rotate the
crosshair ring so the LED is at 1:30.

(A 9v battery powers the LED for now via a 1 K potentiometer and 220 ohm
in series for brighness adjustment.)
The 220 is for when the pot is one end and prevents a short and this doubles as
the max brightness value.
Eventually I will plumb this circuit in to my general purpose 12v feed that
I have on the GEM mount for all the other gadgets.
You can never have too many gadgets :)

Main focus was easier than all this! I just turned the plastic where the RACV
moulding screws into the main white aluminium tube. It is a fine plastic thread,
firm enough to stay where you leave it.
I screwed it out about 2 turns and the finder was focused. Crosshairs, naturally
still focused too.

regards,
Steve B.

erick
22-09-2008, 12:00 AM
Been there, done that! I did not have the wonderful elegant solution that you have. But I managed.

Many thanks, Steve, for the sketch of the lens arrangement. I'm still not convinced that I put mine back in properly when I dumped them out - DUH! I can now recheck. And I received another GSO focusser that looks all wrong - I suspect the lens are in the wrong way.

rmcpb
22-09-2008, 12:32 PM
Steve,

Great story and project. Not sure I would have been game to try it straight up but with these instructions I may just give it a go.

Cheers

erick
22-09-2008, 10:10 PM
Guess what. Both my GSO finderscopes had the lens elements different to what Steve found. And not the same as each other. One I certainly played with. The other must have been opened as well. I rebuilt them in the order/orientation Steve gave in his image and both are now giving much better views. I'll check them more carefully next clear night. And have to refocus as well.

Thanks Steve. :thumbsup:

I recommend this go into the Article section, if only to have the order/orientation of elements in a GSO Finderscope recorded.

kinetic
05-10-2008, 02:56 PM
Eric,

The hardest part has been to get a photo of what the Red LED
looks like shining on the fibre optic.
I've tried our family digital compact..on all settings , no luck getting
a good , focused close-up.

As for the modifications,
it was well worth the effort. The drift that others have mentioned
when hovering over the eyepiece is very minimal.
I'm not sure if that is a result of the optical arrangement of my
eyepiece elements compared to what you found in yours, or
if it is just a case of it minimised when both objective and crosshairs
are in good focus.

In hindsight, I think an additional LED at 90 degrees away from the first
one would be even better or even 180 degrees.
When only one shines on both fibres at the 1:30 clock position, the
shadow side of the other fibre facets are dark.

But overall, I still think it makes quite a good, cheap finder even better.

regards,
Steve B.