40D - DSO's

[Ingo]

I need help identifying these DSO's. They are Northern Hemisphere, so I'm not sure you guys will be able to identify them. To me the bottom left looks like the Frosty Leo Planetary Nebula, but I believe it's WAY too big in that picture to actually be it.

http://www.topicify.com/dso.png
VERY LARGE SHOWING LOCATION: http://www.topicify.com/dsofull.png (WARNING 46.5mb FILE!)

[Ingo]

Awesome. Great help guys :thumbsup:

:shrug:

[erick]

Ingo, you have a sweet way of endearing yourself to us. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure why you say that readers of a southern forum who mostly live south of the equator would be able to identify Northern Hemisphere DSOs?

However, I'm sure there are some that could, if you made it easier (and perhaps said "please"?). Unfortunately, it won't be me - I don't have the knowledge.

Perhaps if edited your post to 1) add a small version of the whole image as an attachment, and maybe a crop of the object in question, to attract interest, and 2) told us exactly what "VERY LARGE" and "BIG" meant (sounds like Gigabytes of file!), then people would know whether to click and download.

Eric :)

[iceman]

I agree with Eric.. also, noone wants to download a png file.

make it a jpeg and attach it.

[Ingo]

I wont be posting my images on IIS anymore. Even though they might not be up to some of your standards, I put time and effort into doing what I can do with my equipment. Practice makes Perfect. It seems like people are lazy here...I mean you can't even open a full quality PNG in another tab or window, but would rather have a lossy JPG that has to be down sized and removed of quality to upload onto the forum?

It's almost as nobody cares to look at or comment anything that has less than the entire range of RGB colors, over 20,000,000 countable stars, and has been taken with either a Takahashi, Vixen, or William Optics $8,000 scope.

Iceman...there is this awesome browser, you know, it loads and displays web pages for you kind of like Internet Explorer, but a lot better...I don't know if you know about it yet, but here's a link to it: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

[duncan]

Hi Ingo,
I've just had a look at the small file and sorry i can't help.
As for the comments about not posting pics anymore i think thats sad.
I'm only just starting out on what is a lifetime journey and i don't always get replies or sometimes it takes days to get a reply.It dosn't dampen my enthusiasm any though. It would seem to me that you have lost some of your enthusiasm from when you first started this great hobby.
Now forgive me if i've read your post the wrong way but we are here to help one another and to give each other support and confidence to even attempt to take photographs.Jpegs are just easier to handle on what a lot of us very modest people have as far as equipment goes. A lot of us are not and will never be professionals.
Please take time to reconsider what i believe to be a quite rash decision.
Cheers,
Duncan:shrug:
(Rank Amatuer)

[Ingo]

Thanks, I understand but I try to comment people's as much as I can because I'd also like to be commented. Even the people who are just starting out. It's unfortunate that each image doesn't get the same amount of attention as others. It's quite frustrating when you get no comments and leaves an impression that your image is horribly bad.

Mostly all that's posted here is Lagoon, Trifid, Eta, and M42...maybe I should start imaging those full time?

[erick]

Hi Ingo

I've had a look at both files, and as I had expected, I don't have the knowledge to help, sorry. BTW, I downloaded the large .png file once I knew the size seemed reasonable. It took over three minutes to download over a high-speed University link. I would have to say that the DSL users at home would have aborted well before the end.

I have no problem with links to larger files, as long as I know the size. But it is about marketing here - there are lots of threads competing for our time. An attached image always gets my attention rather than a link, so I'd always recommend adding an image (as well as the link to the full file), even if it is just of "teaser" quality.

And don't worry about image quality. I've posted some tragic images, as everyone will testify, hardly even entry level, but people still generously comment, suggest or ignore them, if I have caught their attention.

Cheers
Eric :)

ps. I use Mozilla Firefox for my IIS browsing - it's a nice browser.

[Ingo]

I guess the Internet isn't up to speed yet down there. Took me about 30 seconds on my home connection with cache cleared.

I've posted my images here many time, each time I've gotten barely any comments. Even when I did attach a jpg, I still got nothing. One thread I had like 7 comments, but that's about it.

What am I doing wrong? :shrug:

[duncan]

Hi Ingo,
I'm glad you did not take my post the wrong way.
Yes it is frustrating when you don't get replies , however a lot of people are juggling work,wives and children so don't get time to go through everything.
There have been times when i've got on and hit " New Posts " and had 4 pages (at 40/page) to go through. Some posts interest me others do not.
So i guess not everyone is interested in my beginners photo's.
And so it goes. I have found though that over time each and everyone of us does get his or her turn. At the moment there seems to be a flood of newbies on here and people tend to help them and forget about a lot of others.
Rightly so to i think. We all need to give newbies as much encouragement as possible.
They say " Patience is a virtue " and you need a lot of patience in this hobby. It is full of frustrations and this one is just one of them,LOL.
I really do try to look at everyones photo's and to post some sort of reply, those that i don't reply to is because i do not have the expertise or am totally gobsmacked ! Sometimes just plain frustrated (through lack of funds ) and plain outright damned jeolous of.

So my dear friend as you can see you are not alone. And quite frankly nothing is tormenting enough as to warrant not being here and joining in with everyone. Continue to post and post your photo's and be overjoyed when your turn comes around.
I still get a great thrill when i get a reply whether it be good or bad!
But at times it takes time!
Cheers mate,
Duncan:thumbsup:

[duncan]

Ingo,
Take a look at the post in " Solar System " titled " Sorry looking Mars attempt" and you will see what i mean. I put in a reply and no-one has replied since,LOL
Cheers,
Duncan:lol:

[Omaroo]

Just one other thing Ingo... as Erick said in another post, use the term "please". Australians tend to instantly ignore you if they perceive you to be making demands.

[Ingo]

I don't think I said anything demanding like "YOU CHECK THIS NOW OR I COME KICK YOUR DOOR IN"

[theodog]

Hi Ingo,

Don't think of doing wrong.
I post to show what I've done, If people comment -I read, if not -then not.:rolleyes:
I did open the image but had no idea of the object, sorry:whistle:. I will inform you of that in the future.
Keep a stiff upper lip and keep posting.
:thumbsup:
Oh and down under it's
"I'll come 'round and rip your bloody arms off", Aunty Jack (ABC)

[Dennis]

Hi Ingo

It is always nice when IIS friends comment on our images; even nicer when the comments are glowing!;)

But, here is the crunch; if a lack of comments makes our enjoyment of astronomy and being here less happy, then maybe its time for a re-think, or a recalibration of our expectations?:)

I find that most of my contentment comes from setting up the gear, struggling with it, grabbing a few shots and then processing them, so if I were the only person to see them, I would be mostly content.

Having said all of that, it is human, and nice to be recognised by one’s peers, to be listened to. But I try to keep it all in perspective when there is a resounding silence, and will simply try again the next time.:shrug:

Silence is really impersonal. Mostly, I suspect that people, like me, are just plain busy or don’t have the knowledge or experience to comment.

You also may be at a slight disadvantage because most of us here (in Oz) hook up with each other locally, so we are physical friends as well as IIS friends.

However, in my book, you are always welcome and I do hope you continue to visit and bring with you your unique character and culture; we will certainly be the richer for it.:thumbsup:

Cheers

Dennis

PS – actually most of my contentment comes from buying new astro goodies if the truth be known.:whistle:

[Terry B]

Dear Ingo
I have read the other posts and noted them.
I can't reasonably download the big file but have looked at the smaller one.
Interesting object but to work out what it is I would need more info. The image size and orientation would be good as well as the approximate position or the name of something in the pic. This info might be on the bigger file but I can't download it.
If you can orient the image and approximately work out the RA and Dec from a star map then using something like astrometrica (http://www.astrometrica.at/) you can accurately find the RA and Dec of the object. You then plug that info into Visier (http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR) , select what type of object you think it might be ie PN and search the catalogues in visible light. From the resulting list you can look at the most likely candidates to work out what your objects are.
This is how I worked out what this (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37223&d=1200634980) object was in this (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=27707) thread.

[glenc]

Ingo, what direction were you looking, what altitude in the sky and what date and time (approx) of night? Also how big is the field and is the image reversed? My internet is slow so I can't download large 46Mb files.

[ballaratdragons]

Ingo, I am a Firefox user, and I gave up waiting for the file to download. It was up to 10 mins so I pulled the pin.

We have very slow broadband in Australia compared to the USA.
VERY slow!

I've had the occasional image with NO responses too. It happens.

Actually it happens regularly in Cloudy Nights Forum!

[Ingo]

Around zenith @ 9pm EST...northern hemisphere.

[ballaratdragons]

Ingo,

I did some investigation and have discovered that your image cannot be Frosty Leo Planetary Nebula.

At 9pm (2100hrs) from Albany, New York on 29th Jan 08, the whole constellation of Leo was way below the horizon.

The Andromeda Galaxy was at Zenith at that time on that date. Do you remember how far from Andromeda you were looking?

[RB]

About 2.5 million light-years Ken ! :P

[Dennis]

Ken

You are a cosmic detective!:thumbsup:

Cheers

Dennis

[ballaratdragons]

:lol:
I simply put the location, time and date into one of my Star chart programs.

Even so, there's a lot of objects around near Zenith at that time of night. Gonna be hard to determine what the 2 objects are until we know exactly where near Zenith Ingo was looking :thumbsup:

[bojan]

Ok...
being from Northern Hemisphere I was somewhat intrigued by your post...
My guess was that you did dot use tracking, and that you stacked a number of shots (the resulting smear of picture edges from this is quite visible on the left side of it), which helped me to deduce the orientation of your picture...

Here it goes:

On your photo, the bright object in the lower right is Mars.
A bit above and to the right of Mars you will find beta Tauri. Your camera was aimed at constellation Auriga (which was in the zenith at the time of your shot)
The objects you indicated on a small picture are: upper one is M36, the lower one is M37.

I apologise for not reacting quicker, I just have not seen your post earlier....
I attached the CdC screen shot, it is roughly orientated (its aim is somewhat to the right and lower, compared to your photo) but the scale and orientation is close (your photo shows more on the upper side) ... I hope it will help you to identify even more stuff on your photo, which by the way, is very good, considering the equipment you have used :-)
Bojan

[bojan]

This CdC screen shot is more to scale and direction than the previous one....

[Ingo]

Thank you for your help! Only the top one looks like M36 though. Bottom doesn't look like either. :eyepop:

[bojan]

Yes, the labels on the screen are somewhat clogged... You have to trust me on that, though :D

[bojan]

BTW, CdC is free, and very easy to use....
you can find it here: http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/
The package contains a number of catalogues and data bases, and it is easily configurable to show more or less stars and other objects.
I am (as many others do) using it all the time for identification like this one.
I even have the masks (eyepiece) for all my lenses and their fields of view to help me in that...

[glenc]

It is much easier to identify once you know the time and direction.
M36 (top) and M37 is correct.