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fringe_dweller
06-11-2007, 03:45 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071011213216.htm

'Long-lost, Dangerous Asteroid Is Found Again

ScienceDaily (Oct. 15, 2007) — Echoing the re-discovery of America by the Spanish long after an earlier Viking reconnaissance, astronomers have learned that a recently observed asteroid - one that could potentially hit the Earth - was actually first observed nearly a half-century ago. Researchers at the Minor Planet Center of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, MA have confirmed work by SETI Institute astronomer Peter Jenniskens that the recently discovered asteroid 2007 RR9 is in fact the long-lost object 6344 P-L.
6344 P-L was last seen in 1960, and ever since has had the peculiar distinction of being the only Potentially Hazardous Asteroid without a formal designation. "The object was long recognized to be dangerous, but we didn't know where it was," says Jenniskens. "Now it is no longer just out there."
A designation as Potentially Hazardous means that 2007 RR9 is one of 886 (not 887) known asteroids bigger than 150 m (500 ft) in diameter that come to within 0.05 astronomical units of Earth's orbit (roughly 7,480,000 km or 4,650,000 miles). The size is estimated on the basis of the object's observed brightness and an assumed reflectance of 13 percent.
Jenniskens believes that this object may not, in fact, be an asteroid. "This is a now-dormant comet nucleus, a fragment of a bigger object that, after breaking up in the not-so-distant past, may have caused the gamma Piscid shower of slow meteors (IAU #236) that is active in mid-October and early November," he says. 2007 RR9 moves in a 4.70-year orbit, nearly all the way out to the distance of Jupiter. Because of this elongated orbit, it has a Tisserand parameter of T = 2.94, which defines it dynamically as a Jupiter Family Comet (T = 2.0 - 3.0), not an asteroid (T > 3.0).
So far, this object has not yet been seen to be even weakly active, but the now dormant comet is still moving closer to the Sun. It is sliding rapidly toward visibility in the southern hemisphere, and is expected to brighten to magnitude +18.5 in mid-October. According to Gareth V. Williams of the Minor Planet Center, it will pass Earth around November 6 at 0.07 AU, when the minor planet is at high latitudes in southern skies.
The original designation of P-L stands for "Palomar-Leiden," the juxtaposition of two observatory names that reflect what was a very fruitful collaboration by the trio of pioneer asteroid searchers Tom Gehrels of the University of Arizona, and Ingrid van Houten-Groeneveld and her husband Cornelis Johannes van Houten. Gehrels made a sky survey using the 48-inch Schmidt Telescope at the famed Palomar Observatory, long before modern asteroid reconnaisances, and shipped the photographic plates to the van Houtens at Leiden Observatory in the Netherlands. There, Ingrid discovered 6344 P-L on four plates taken on September 24-28, 1960. The trio are jointly credited with several thousand asteroid discoveries, but only 6344 P-L is a potential danger to Earth.
Peter Jenniskens is a meteor astronomer with the SETI Institute and author of "Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets" published by Cambridge University Press (2006). He is also credited with the identification of the parent body of the Quadrantid meteor shower. As it happens, he graduated from Leiden Observatory in 1992, before joining the SETI Institute.
Adapted from materials provided by SETI Institute.'

Outbackmanyep
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
Thats fascinating!

The above mentioned book i looked at purchasing , cos im interested in late model books like this, it was $275-00!!! :doh:

:thumbsup:

fringe_dweller
06-11-2007, 04:25 PM
I'm in the comet and meteor book buying mood too OBM - i drool over cometography series :)

forget the coordinates! doh

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K07/K07R47.html

Outbackmanyep
07-11-2007, 09:28 PM
FD...What books have you got?

[1ponders]
08-11-2007, 12:17 AM
You'll like this one Kearn. Earlier this year I went to the Qld University Book Sale and picked up some fantastic books at bargain basement prices (early Hartung for example for $1.50 :D )..but....I picked up a copy of "Comets: A Chronological History of Observations, Science, Myth and Folklore" by Donald K Yeomans (worked in the Jet Propulsion Lab at California Institure of Technology) 1991.

It is a fantastic read. It looks at the evolution of the beliefs of what a comet is, from Babylonian through to modern times. It traces the history and observations of comets. It looks at astronomers associated with comets and their discoveries as well as listing all naked eye comets from the 11th Century BC through to AD 1700 with a brief summary or discription of each comet. I've really enjoyed reading it. A fascinating reference book that's for sure.

fringe_dweller
08-11-2007, 04:44 PM
books on comets OBM? ..none ..LOL, I have a number of general chart books and astro dictionaries, hartungs that sort of thing, even an apparently now rare copy of an aussie general beginners book 'the southern sky - a practical guide to astronomy' by david reidy and ken wallace from when i started getting serious about astronomy some 13 or so years ago :D

I saw a link to 'Introduction to Comets' By John C. Brandt, Robert DeWitt Chapman mentioned on ml recently, and it go me going, i think i'll get that first

I do have 13 years worth of southern astro mags, and I did have all the other mags, but only kept the ones with comet articles/pics in them, particularly HB and B2 era.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=CcSUeymd-14C&pg=RA1-PA389&dq=comet+brandt&sig=cNmcSCzKmb8yX-IgJZRFRY-NQ7I#PPP1,M1

the ICQ handbook has always interested me too

but the internet has been my library, and a damn good one at that, how many tomes worth I have i read in 5-6 years of being on ml alone! lol.
and really the best way to learn about comets is to follow them visually, and on the net, fastidously for many years, thats the truly only way to learn about them i reckon, particularly observing wise..



That sounds very decent Paul, nice price!!!, and the hartungs!!!! wow! I would of bought them too, i do hope to get a library of comet books happening eventually :) thanks for tip!

Outbackmanyep
08-11-2007, 10:21 PM
That is the book i purchased Kearn......
i have NO IDEA what all the formulas meant, but i learnt a lot about comets in this book, and some concepts...its also quite up-to-date! Published in 2004.
I prefer to read about the latest findings and hopefully someday i may understand what all the formulas mean! LOL
It takes a look into history, early theories on comets and to the present day outlook on comets and past activities!
They used to study comets to probe the solar wind , or SOLAR CORPUSCULAR RADIATION during the early 20th Century.....when studies of the sun were a big part of astronomy!

A very good book to read and have on the shelf!

I also have David H Levy's book "Guide to Observing and Discovering comets"...this was a very good read and gave not only history of comet observing started by Messier, but also David's thoughts and processes from his time hunting comets from his early beginnings to S-L 9's discovery and aftermath.....a great read! I hope to meet him one day!!



Cheers!

fringe_dweller
09-11-2007, 03:22 AM
LOL great minds think alike!! :) I think it was that print of comet Mrkos page 130 that reeled me in, what a comet that was eh! and a looks a beautiful old wide field schmidt camera shot, so 5 or so degrees wide? I would wildly guess wow

The levy book I hear often mentioned as a great book for sure, that seals it, its on my list now cheers

Outbackmanyep
09-11-2007, 03:47 PM
I love big thick Astronomy text books, they take ages to read and im more into leaarning just that little bit more than i already know from what other books on comets tell me......you won't be disappointed in either of these books!

Cheers!