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mickoking
13-09-2007, 09:15 AM
I found this article on ninemsn news:<a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=284894New" target="_blank">http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=284894New type of planet found by astronomersThursday Sep 13 06:47 AESTAstronomers have discovered the first known planet to survive its &quot;red-giant&quot; phase, a period when an aging star expands and engulfs bodies orbiting it.The discovery of the gas-giant planet three times the size of Jupiter offers a look at the future of our own solar system and what will happen to the Earth when the sun grows old and collapses, the researchers said.Scientists found the planet some 4,500 light-years from Earth. It once orbited its star at the same distance as the Earth is now from the sun - about eight light-minutes - but then drifted away, the researchers said in the journal Nature.&quot;At present, (the) discovery is the only planetary system known to have survived its red-giant phase,&quot; Jonathan Fortney, a NASA researcher, wrote in a commentary in Nature, where the international team published its findings. &quot;This will shed light not only on our own solar system, in which Mercury, Venus and perhaps Earth will eventually be engulfed by the red-giant Sun but also the diverse array of planetary systems that are our galactic neighbours.&quot;Scientists have identified some 250 planets orbiting stars other than our sun. Most are detected by indirect measurements such as tiny variations in the wobble of a star.The team found this planet by chance while studying its parent star V 391 Pegasi, Don Kurtz, astrophysicist at the University of Lancashire who worked on the study, told Reuters.Sound waves in the star cause it to pulsate and vary in brightness every few minutes. By observing these changes, astronomers can measure sound speed to see inside the star.The team found that during its time as a middle-aged star, V 391 Pegasi had a mass similar to the sun before it expanded its radius by more than 100 times when it entered its red-giant phase - something the sun is expected to do in 5 billion years.The researchers said the planet stayed intact because the parent star lost mass, reducing its gravitational pull just enough to let the planet drift away a bit.When the Sun - which scientists think is 30 per cent bigger than when it came into being - exhausts all its hydrogen and swells up during its red-giant phase, the Earth will also likely avoid complete destruction for the same reason, Kurtz said.&quot;The future of the Earth is to die with the sun boiling up the oceans, but the hot rock will survive,&quot; he said.&quot;We think the processes that are happening on this planet will be the same as on earth ... It is psychologically interesting to think that the earth will survive.&quot;

mickoking
13-09-2007, 09:23 AM
Sorry about the quality of my last post, my computer is playing up )-:

xelasnave
16-09-2007, 03:07 PM
More global warming I guess..
alex

CoombellKid
16-09-2007, 07:27 PM
Yup!!! you'll be able to hang a steak on the clothes line while you sit inside
with your fire suit on :eyepop:

regards,CS

GrahamL
16-09-2007, 08:26 PM
sounds good .. a gas giant would be a huge part of a given solar system..
to scale it down further ..wouldn't the small pieces of debris in the given system .. "planets" .. as we know them .. be so insignificant to the
scheme of things when a star dies .. it just dosn't matter to much .

Gargoyle_Steve
17-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Depends ... on whether said debris happens to be where you live.
;)

Personal perspective is a wonderful thing, nothing like it to sharpen the senses sometimes.

sheeny
18-09-2007, 12:58 PM
Here's the corresponding article from nature:

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070910/full/070910-8.html

Al.

AJames
18-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Frankly, this doesn't surprise me. When a red giant swells to these enormous sizes, the temperatures and tenuous gas pressures are fairly low in their outer regions. These pressures are well below Earth's atmospheric pressure or even that of Mars. Much of the kinetic energies of red giants lies within the stellar winds, moving in the order tens or hundreds of kilometres per sec., which then blows off the material into interstellar space.
Whilst a few thousands of degrees is hot, the composition of the core and mantle regions of the planet would be more likely to survive than not. A planet, say like Jupiter, might not survive so well, as the atmosphere is relatively more easily dislodged - which would escape by the velocity of the outgoing material - evaporating probably like ice on a hot pavement.
After the red giant has gone, the slag remaining from the experience would make the planet look some kind of rusted snooker ball composed of the heavy elements, but without an atmosphere.
This planet may well look like some "Hell on Earth", but it would have survived.

Won't worry me though, as five billion years from now I won't be here. Grim thought. Even if my bones did survive, they surely will be by then be well cremated! :sadeyes: