What Northern Object impressed you?

[dwyman]

It's no mystery that those of us in the Northern Hemisphere are blown away when we first see objects such as Omega Centauri, Eta Carina or the Tarantula Nebula.

Here's my question to you Southies that have visited the Northern realms. What objects (if any) really impressed you when you were here?
:jawdrop:

[matt]

Hi Don.

Having been born and raised in London, and having my early interest and participation in astronomy under northern hemisphere skies, I have a nostalgic affection for skies 'up there'.

I can't think of anything specific. I miss not being able to see Ursa Major/Minor and the areas around those constellations.

I miss not having a very bright star like Polaris on hand to help with polar alignment.

Cassiopeia and some of its associated objects was also another fave. Such a nice area to scan.

I also used to really enjoy having Lyra and Cygnus so high in the sky and easily visible. Especially at this time of the year.

Even after living in Australia for 24 years, Orion still looks upside down to me here in Oz!!!

But as you say, we are spoilt for choice down here.

[[1ponders]]

That's a hard choice Don. Visually M57 blows me away every time, maybe because it was the first planetary I ever saw, followed closely by M27. Photographically, M31 for its simply stunning size and detail.

[RB]

I agree M31 (Andromeda Galaxy).
Even though it's visible, it's not well placed for us southerners.

It's just so majestic !

[[1ponders]]

btw, I've not headed north of the equator, these views are from the backyard at 26.6° north.

[dwyman]

M31 is a marvelous sight in low power binos or a really wide field refractor. It really looks the way a galaxy should. It's really the only naked eye galaxy in the northern hemisphere. M33 in Triangulum can be glimpsed naked eye but only under perfect skies at a dark site.

[erick]

south? Unless you've moved Nambour to warmer climes given the reports of the Qld cold snap!!

[[1ponders]]

Whoops :ashamed: :P

Wishful thinking maybe......or maybe visiting while I should be working and not concentraing on the important stuff....my IIS post :lol:

[wavelandscott]

M31 is fabulous but to me, nothing says home like the Big Dipper and the Pole Star!!!

[h0ughy]

yep I agree

[cahullian]

I agree Scott nothing like the big dipper to show you the way home.

Gazz

[33South]

Seeing double, I remember being amazed when I first saw these two:-

Epsilon Lyra - the double double

M81/82 pair of galaxies.

[Bobj]

Hmmmmm, I can see Andromeda from my front door.:D And, it is majestic.
Another is The Pleides

[AJames]

I observed have many of the northern objects objects from Devon in the UK during October 1996 and again in October 1997. I used the northern addendum in Hartung as a guide for look at northern objects, though this list is probably misses some of the better objects. Ie. For me the best objects in the northern skies above +60 degrees declination, classed by type, are;

Open Clusters

Probably the famous "Double Cluster in Perseus" (NGC 867 and NGC 884), which appear in Hartung's main pages, but was not visible to him in 1968 from his Victorian latitude. This ranks as one of the best sight even in the smallest of telescopes, though our grand southern open cluster NGC 3532 in Vela (The Football Cluster) has brightest star over a similar huge area.
Another open cluster I liked very much was the "Christmas Tree Cluster"; NGC 1502 in Camelopardalis. I also enjoyed M103 / NGC 663 in Cassiopeia with it many red-orange stars. Both these clusters are fairly unique and have no real equivalent southern cluster that are populated with such older and more colourful components. Those in the south that are, are actually much fainter and less interesting.

Galaxies

I would personally automatically reject the M31 / Andromeda Galaxy as it is easily visible in nearly all the populated centres in our southern latitudes, but would add probably M51, M81 and M82, and M101 instead. Most galaxies in the northern skies, anyway, are quite invisible to most observers due to the vast areas of urban areas having light pollution.

Globulars

Northern Observer standard answer; "What's a globular?"

Double Stars

Among the many doubles, probably the best, all with wonderful colour contrast, as;
Epsilon Draconis
Eta Cas.
STF 3001 / Omicron Cep
Gamma Andromedae.

Others with an honourable mention would be;
STF 1694 32 Cam
Mizar / Zeta UMa
STF 2078 17 Dra
STF 2118 / Mu Dra / 20 Dra
STF 2863 / Xi Cep

Nothing in the northern skies compare to Alpha Centauri and Alpha Crucis. Only perhaps Polaris (which didn't impress me at the time) would be rated as an OK double.

Best Asterism : The Cepheus Triangle

The best asterism in the northern skies is the so-called Cepheus Triangle which is mentioned in Richard Allen’s “Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning” (1899). This small area surrounding the star Zeta Cephei (22h 10.9m +58d 12') has a nice little stretched out isosceles triangular asterism, being 1.3 degrees at its base and 2.3 degrees for the other two sides. This celestial triangle points towards the ENE (PA 70 deg), and is supposed to represent his head of Cepheus, and is likely one of the only recognisable feature of this entire region that is quite devoid of bright stars. Cepheus is represented in Greek mythology as an ancient Ethiopian King in which he shares with his wife Cassiopeia and his daughter Andromeda in the sky. This is shared with the yellowish 4.2 magnitude Epsilon Cep / 23 Cep / STG 10 (22h 17.0m +57d 03') and the white or yellowish 4.0v magnitude δ Cep / 27 Cep / STF 58 (22h 29.2+58d 25') - the classic namesake variable of the group of stars known as Cepheid variables. Both these stars are wide pairs but the former, epsilon Cep, is likely even unfamiliar to most northern observers because of it enormous width. I did observed both of these in 7x50 binoculars while in England during October 1997.

Northern Planetary Nebula

Favourite planetaries would include;

NGC 7076 Cepheus
NGC 7139 Cepheus
NGC 7354 Cepheus
NGC 40 Cepheus
IC 1454 Cepheus
NGC 1501 Camelopardalis
NGC 3587 / M97 / The Owl Nebula UMa
IC 3568 Camelopardalis

Perhaps the best of these is probably NGC 6543 and the Owl Nebula - but I'd select NGC 6543 in Draco as the "Top Dog".

For me, Cepheus is probably the best constellation in the farr northern regions of the sky. It is contains some twenty known planetary, three being NGC and three others being Abell. The brightest in the constellation is NGC 40, followed by the more difficult and larger NGC 7354 (22h 40.3m +61d 17') then NGC 7139 (21h 46.1m +63d 48'). These latter planetaries will probable require at least 20cm and 25cm, to see, which are likely improved in 15cm to 20cm using an O-III filter.

Of the lesser known ones, perhaps IC 1454 (22h 42.4m +80d 27') is next in line, but this is probably challenged by three other; namely Minkowski planetaries M1-80 (22h 56.3m +57d 09'), M2-51 (22h 16.1m +57d 29') and M2-52 (22h 20.5m +57d 36') followed by Abell 77 (21h 32.2m +55d 53'). All of these latter planetaries require at least 25cm to 30cm with an to see [O-III] filter - though preferably with a much larger Dobsonian.
A final planetary is NGC 7076, which is also known as Abell 75. However, this might be a bit too difficult for even the biggest apertures.

Passing Shot - ... and Wait for the Ricochet !

However, other than these, the best hemisphere to be in is the one we are already in. Sorry, though I loved observing the northern sky - except for one or two objects - you are quite welcome to have it...

:mad2: :sadeyes:

[erick]

Having recently seen M13 for the first time, and I've looked a few times now and tried to be impressed :sadeyes:, I understand what you say!


Many thanks for all the other "north of the equator" information and comments. :)

[dwyman]

Some interesting replies. I must say that after spending a week in Coona in 2005 I was very sad to go back home. There's just nothing up here that gets my blood going anymore. I look at M13 but think of Omega. I look at The Orion Nebula and think of the Tarantula and Eta Carina. There are still a lot of galaxies to hunt down with my Obsession 18", but the "WOW" objects are all used up. Fortunately, we're coming back to Oz in October to catch your Spring objects. Coming back home will not be easy.

[glenc]

North of declination +60 I like these objects: M52, M81 & M82
and NGCs 896, 6543, 6946, 7023, & 7538.

[dugnsuz]

Double Cluster in Perseus was a binocular favourite of mine.
Also liked the "coathanger" asterism - can't remember the constellation it's in though.
Cheers
Doug

[AJames]

Dugnsuz

The "Coathanger Asterism" or "Brocchi's Cluster" (Cr 399 - Collinder ) you refer too is in Vulpecula - however, it is not really a northern object as the position is RA: 19h 25.4m Dec. +20deg 11min.

For your interest, an excellent discussion can be found at ;
http://www.greenwich-observatory.co.uk/coathanger.html.

Also a nice image appears at;
http://celestialwonders.com/Cr399_20061009.html

As a general comment, the original question here talks about northern objects - things we can't see but know of. But the real question seems more on what a northern object is! My definition is what can be seen from southern latitudes divides the sky into;

Northern skies (+90 deg to +60 deg N) (invisible from Sydney)
Southern skies (-90 deg to -60 deg)
Equatorial skies (+30 deg N to -30 deg S)

The regions between +30 deg and +60 deg and -30 deg and -60 deg, I would assume to be the horizon constellations seem from either hemisphere, which some objects can be seen from mid-latitudes in the observers hemisphere.
In some ways they are not really northern objects as I can see them from home near the horizon.

I suppose to be pedantic, the northern skies could be considered as +90 deg to +45 deg, southern -90 deg to -45 deg and the rest of the sky we share among us as common sky ground.

If the aequator of the sky was counted as southern, then we can claim the Orion Nebula is a southern object because it lies 5 degrees south of the equator! (A northerner would literally "sent us all to hell" before they let us have that wonderful object, don't you think? :eyepop: )

Nyx

[dwyman]

Correct. I know that you can see a up to a certain point to the north, just as we can see to a certain point to the south. For example, we can see M22 from here in Wisconsin, USA but it isn't as impressive as M13. Seeing M22 from the Southern hemisphere it's a better cluster than M13. We can only see about half of Scorpius, we can't see the hook of the tail.

On the extreme end of the spectrum, about 10 years ago a fellow came to our area from Finland on a job exchange program. He was delighted to finally see the "southern" objects that he'd never seen before. Objects such as M22, M4, M8, M20, M104 and so on. He also complained how it was so hard to observe in Finland because of the danged Northern Lights blazing away so many nights.

[CoombellKid]

I wasn't into astronomy when I spent 6 months in north America, mainly
Canada. However I was impressed one evening while sucking back a few
cold ones in a friends backyard in Waterloo, Quebec. At the amount of
satelites transiting across the sky. Must be very annoying if your into
astrophotography.

Apart from that my favourite northern sky object would have to be the
Veil Nebula seen through a OIII filter, along with it's eastern section the
Eastern Veil Nebula. Followed by the North American Neb, M57, T Lyrae
(cause I like carbon stars). The Christmas Tree cluster (because it looks
like a Christmas Tree) and that other little cluster in the elbow of Orion
that looks like "37" NGC 2169 is it's designation. And to top it off M31
through my 20x80's

regards,CS

[gary]

Hi Don,

M51.

Andrew, John and I looked at it through Larry Mitchell's 36" at the Texas
Star Party last May.

That specific view of it through that much aperture is the closest I
have seen a galaxy resemble visually what it looks like photographically.

In fact if you were an astrophotographer and saw the same view, I think you
would just put the camera back in the carry case and say, "why bother". :)
You can just look at it in real-time! :)

I believe Andrew may have looked at it before with the same scope,
but we were positively stunned. You just don't get that sort of view of it from
here and that much aperture seems to provide enough photons for the receptors
in the eye to work effortlessly.

So apart from the specific object and the latitude you observe it from, aperture
and seeing can make all of the difference.

Look forward to seeing you again soon and getting some more WOW's going.

Best regards

Gary Kopff
Mt. Kuring-Gai

[dwyman]

M51 is really marvelous in a large aperture scope. Saw it in one of the few 36" scopes that Dave (Obsession) made. Can't say I enjoyed being up on a 12 foot (2 meter) ladder in the middle of the night though.

Looking forward to seeing you and the others in October.

[dugnsuz]

Thanks for the links, brought back some memories, haven't looked for it down under!
Cheers
Doug:thumbsup: