yay

[james]

i used my scope for the 1st tiem and i seen jupiter and 3 of its moons

i jsut need to get beter scopes to see it beter

question

if you buy beter scopes can you see further?

[atalas]

Hi james ,what scope did you buy again ? to answer your question a bigger scope will show you more . But slow down dude there's things to learn and things to see ! and congrats on your jupiter view.


Louie:cool:

[seeker372011]

James :

your 10 inch dob will show you heaps more..as louie says,
have the patience to stop and smell the roses!

To see any noticeable improvement over your 10 inch you need to go to at least two sizes higher..say 16 inches. even then you would have to have developed some observing skills to notice the difference

I recommend that you try get your scope first to a dark site-there is only so much you can see from a light polluted suburb

[slice of heaven]

You bought the 10" is that right?
I think you mean eyepieces not scopes.
They just give different magnifications of the view you have.
What eps did you get?

[james]

i mean the eye pieces.

when purchasing beter ones can you see beter.

[slice of heaven]

And did you buy a collimation tool?

[james]

not yet had no money left

[ballaratdragons]

James,

You don't really see further. You see brighter.

Deep Space objects are in your scope but very faint or picking up no light at all. It is a lot of money to pick up a lot of light.

Whereas something like a $29 scope can show you Moon, planets, nebulas and others quite well for a long time.

I waited 20 years to step up to a bigger scope. I had great views with my 4.25" home made reflector.

Get used to the sky for a year or two in your scope and then consider moving up or you will turn into Striker:P

EDIT: That's not fair. You changed from scopes to eyepieces while I was typing my reply. :mad2:

What is written on your EP's. If it says 'Series 500' they are not the greatest!

[jackenau]

:astron: Patience first James. Bigger apperture will give you better views, but sometimes a better quality eyepiece will give an equally improved view.

I suppose it just depends on how deep your pockets are.

:) Another consideration is, are you expecting to see the item bigger than is actually possible.

Viewing conditions, such as light polution, temperature etc will also have an affect on what you are viewing.

Learn to locate the various objects you wish to view, experiment with the different eyepieces available to you. Then move forward from there.

Good luck with your viewing, there is so much to see.

Ken M:welcome:

[slice of heaven]

Right, that means while your saving youll want to get the best out of what youve currently got.
I know theres a link on the site for using a film cannister for collimating and someone put a fairly decent startest diagram recently too.Maybe someone can post a shortcut to those 2 for you to get you started.
What size eps have you got?

[atalas]

james the guy's are right , get together with people in a dark sky first before you start spending money. You then can borrow some eyepieces and see the difference for your self and get a better understanding . Learn to collimate your scope is the first best thing you can do to get the best performance from your telescope. These 10" dobs have got allot to show you.
Jame what eyepieces do you have?


Louie:)

[james]

ummmm, it came with 2 standard ones lol cant remember its name.

because the guy at andrews told me the beter the eye peice the further you see or something like that.

[slice of heaven]

There is a number on the eps . Its the focal length in mm of the ep. Have a look.

[james]

Andrews Series 500 1.25" Plossl Eyepieces
Type Price $(AUD)
4mm, 6.5mm, 10mm, 12.5mm, 15mm, 20mm, 25mm, 30mm and 40mm $29.00 Each
Special offer... Choose any FOUR from the above list for only Special $99.00

is 40mm and 30mm good?

and

Andrews GS 2" Eyepieces
Type Price $(AUD)
26mm (fully multicoated, with antislip grip and rubber eye cups) $79.00
32mm (fully multicoated, with antislip grip and rubber eye cups) $89.00
40mm (fully multicoated, with antislip grip and rubber eye cups) $99.00
Andrews 2x Barlow Lens, 2" $79.00
Andrews 90° diagonal, 2" $99.00
Andrews 2" colour filters $29.00

is the 2" bete then the 1.25"

[slice of heaven]

If your going to buy eps dont worry about series 500. There not what the scope deserves.
Theres a lot of guys here with gs eps I'll let them give you a run down on those.
What size will depend on what eps you got with the scope.

[james]

ive got a 25mm and a 9mm atm

[ballaratdragons]

James,

Forget about the series 500's.

In the cheaper range get GS. I believe the series 500's are Synta.

In the 2" range do not get Andrews brand. Good shop but terrible EP's. Even though they are GS they are the bottom level GS's.

In the 2" range get GS SuperView. The 30mm is very good and instead of forking out a huge amount for the SuperView 15mm get the 2" 2x Barlow for $79. It will make your 2" 30mm into a 15mm and it will take any 1.25" EP's you get.

With the one 2" Barlow you will only need a few EP's.

[james]

ok thanx

[slice of heaven]

The 25 is ok thats 50x magnification.
The 9mm is 140x mag. Thats ok on a decent night.
If they're gs Id say grab a 2" gs barlow for $79 and that would give you 4 mags..50x..100x..140x..280x.
Youll need a really good night to barlow the 9mm.

[ballaratdragons]

Was that confusing enough?

[james]

well ill buy all and check
money aint the problem i can get it easy ( jsut have to work 40hrs ) an d get paid,
so the smaller the eyepiece the beter or the bigger the beter

[ballaratdragons]

It's not a matter of bigger the better or etc. Bigger and smaller are for viewing different objects.

[james]

owwwwwwwwww
lol
now i get it lol

[ballaratdragons]

James,

turn on your 'Private message' facility.

I tried to PM you a few days ago but you didn't get it.

[james]

i got it jsut replied 2-3 min ago

[ballaratdragons]

hehehe. Yeah a bit before your time huh!

A 30mm SuperView will give you a wide field of view to scan larger parts of the sky and enjoy large open clusters and dense star fields or spot galaxies, globulars, nebulas etc.

Then you can Barlow it or change to a smaller EP eg: 9mm, and look at the object with more magnification.

BUT 30mm SuperView is not much good for studying Planets. For them you would start around 15mm and gradually work your way through to something like a 6mm for extreme close-ups.

That's a very basic explanation of the difference in sizes.

[james]

lol :P

[rumples riot]

James my suggestion is this, don't buy cheap Eyepieces (EP's). Save your money and get good quality EP's. Televue EP's are expensive but are of great quality. You might like also to look at the Meade series 5000 EP's. These are slightly cheaper and have good optics in them.

Buying cheap EP's will lead to disappointment and a withdrawal from the hobby. The view will not be very good. Good quality EP's give good views

My suggestion for a collection of EP's is this.

1 x 9mm EP for planetary viewing.
1 x 20-26mm for nebula and galaxy viewing
1 x 30mm for wide field viewing.

1 x 2x barlow (preferably Televue brand).

This collection will take a while to buy as Good EP's are expensive, but they will make your scope come alive and your interest in the hobby will also grow. If you ever sell the scope and want to buy another this collection of EP's will be perfect for your next scope.

Anyway best of luck with your selections.

[slice of heaven]

Ditto to what RR said.
You cant beat quality for optics.
Get yourself a collimation tool/tools first , check mirrors for tight clips, and read the threads and ask what you need to to get your scope performing properly first.
Get the most out of what you've got.
Then grab a barlow, then add to your ep collection with some quality ones.

[ving]

ROFL,
Hi james, your in good if somewhat confusing hands :)
you dont need a bigger scope, 10 inch is plenty. blacktown is very light polluted so you have to take that into acount too...

good luck :)
ps: andrews 500 series arent worth buying so keep clear of them. :)