Inside the belly of the chook

[Nikolas]

Cropped section of the chicken Not really sure of the colours but it seems ok
7 hours of detail
294mc pro with L-Extreme fake hso pallete
TS optics 130 ap riccardi reducer
Astrobin (https://www.astrobin.com/0torzj/?utm_source=astrobin&amp&utm_medium=email&amp&utm_campaign=notification&amp&from_user=39744)

[Meow]

What a pretty region. Thanks for sharing.

[RyanJones]

Nice and soft Nik with nice detail. I like the colours you’ve chosen too. Very chicken themed. I recently saw a rendition on Astrobin that focused on the belly of the chook and its an incredibly interesting region. Often the boks are the feature but the area in the middle looks like chicken feathers and has a really cool structure. I’ve got a couple of projects in the works this season so I won’t get around to it but both the Astrobin image and yours have renewed my interest in the area.

Cheers

Ryan

[Nikolas]

Cheers



Thanks Ryan , I'm starting to go deeper into some nebulas as best I can, still not sure of the colours but it's a work in process.
Waiting to see your results mate.

[hrcoleman66]

Wow! Impressive. Who knew there was so much detail in there? I reckon I need to spend longer on this object!

Cheers,

Hugh

[Nikolas]

Thanks Hugh

[AdamJL]

Love that core area to the left of the black globs. So much detail.

[Kuz]

Another superb capture Nik. Mate you have smashed this one out the park and than some.

[Nikolas]

Kind words there mate
I just wish I could get the blues out of the image.

[strongmanmike]

Lots of chickens being posted at the moment, interesting colour palette in this case Nik :confuse3: different, cool :)

Mike

[multiweb]

Don't mind the field or framing but details are certainly dubious at best.

[Nikolas]

I thought I had you blocked

Seriously?????

[Nikolas]

Cheers Mike
The L-Extreme swamps this in red so I had to do What I could to get the colours out, certainly a different fiery colour pallete but until I can afford mono I'm at the mercy of what I have.

[multiweb]

Beauty of topaz :P

[JA]

Well done Nik on a wonderfully detailed 3D like image :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Best
JA

[AdamJL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QS2Pyhf7as

I used that a while back for a OSC and it worked well.

[multiweb]

Well the bok globules in your high res aren't the right shapes and it is very clear they are over processed. I happened to image them at 5m FL so I have a fair idea of what they look like and that's not what you've presented in your rendition so a repro might be in order. There are a few other edges in your field that are processing artefacts as well. :shrug: so yeah, I'm questioning your processing flow and that is constructive IMO.

[multiweb]

Well that maybe what you're thinking. I don't comment on your pictures any differently that I comment on others. This is a public forum. People learn and can make up their mind. I have no vested interest in Startools. That's Ivo's business. Just stating facts. :)

[multiweb]

Again this is a public forum. We all have the same right to comment on pictures publicly posted. :thumbsup:

[Nikolas]

Thanks Adam I'll check it out when I get home

[multiweb]

I can see that.

[Bassnut]

ooo at bit of argy-bargy, love it. The last comparison pic you posted marc doesnt look overly dodgy to me. Apart from some minor artifacts, I cant really see cheating there, given the extreme zoom. The whole pic full frame looks great to me.

[Nikolas]

Marc's pic is the unaltered one with the 5m scope (I can only dream of 5m focal length)
Yes it is zoomed and yes there are small artefacts but that's what this is all about learning from the best not to be accused of being "dubious" and then accused of using topaz denoise

[multiweb]

Why so defensive? You guys get so hung up about Topaz AI. Doesn't matter what program you process with as long as you don't make up BS that doesn't exist. The FL used in the comparison is irrelevant. It's a reference shot. Your pic is not zoomed either. That's the image scale in your rendition at what I assume is 1:1 on your astrobin account. You can see the edges on your bok globules are very sharp almost posterized. All I'm saying is you need to review your processing flow regarding sharpening and back it up a bit. No more no less.

[Nikolas]

"dubious" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dubious


When using that word without context then it can put a person on the defensive
This little word started this whole debate, if you actually used context behind your comment then there would have not been this argy bargy,

I can take criticism I can take advice but I will not take accusations of being suspicious or cheating which is what your comment could have implied
Also you mentioned Topaz, not me I said it was not used.
Yes I used selective sharpening and went too far but this is a cropped image so it's 1 to 1 which makes the oversharpening a little more pronounced than when looking at the image from the uncropped version that is not on Astrobin.
I don't want to argue with you Marc you do know your stuff but when you make a comment that can be construed correctly or incorrectly without context it can put people offside.
Peace out

[Addos]

very high quality output with the setup! well done dude! ignore the troll!

[Nikolas]

Thanks Adam

He's not a troll but comes across as a little caustic it's hard to gauge a person when behind the keyboard. You can't measure tone or context in a forum sometimes.

[gregbradley]

Great image Nik. Your setup is natively very sharp like a good 130mm APO is.
Your setup is very similar to my AP130/QHY600 and its a great widefield setup that can be very sharp. That then makes other sharpening procedures work better.

The advent of AI programs is bound to be controversial. Like decon has been or super colour saturated images have been. Its a matter of finding a balance between what it can do and what it can't do well. I am sure you are close to achieving that.

Greg.

[Nikolas]

Thanks Greg
Yes it is a balancing act,

I didn't use any AI which is what I was annoyed about but I did do selective sharpening which only appears overtly with the cropped image.
If only I could get the colour balance right I'd be happier.

[LKD]

Very Nice image, well done