Your joking?!

[MortonH]

Anyone noticed the almost universal mis-use of your instead of you're these days???


Morton

[matt]

Drives me nuts!:doh:

I'm also a bit twitchy about 'there' and 'their'.

I see the recent call for the introduction of phonetic spelling.

Don't get me started:lol:

Anyway, there are more annoying things in life...

[duncan]

How about to, too, two, or maybe that's tu-tu!LOL:rofl:

[cahullian]

welcome to the y generation folks he he he

Gazz

[[1ponders]]

That's "wi" Gazz ;)

[cahullian]

wii is a wee game consol now also lol

[MortonH]

Here's something more annoying. I went to the bank an hour ago to get a cheque for a second-hand telesope I'm buying tonight, and there's not enough money left in the account! My wife is attempting to remedy the situation as we speak...

[matt]

:rofl:

Say no more

[Omaroo]

I don't know what teachers are teaching these days - but you're right. It really irks me when this happens.

"Your" - "Did you bring your book Tommy?'

"You're" (Contraction of "you are") - "You're certain that you brought your book along Tommy?"


Argghhhh!!!!!

[ving]

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or as i like to say in these situations: people are dying in 3rd world countries...

[nightsky]

G'Day,
I remember seeing a few months back in another thread,some bloke was really annoyed about the use of "Advise" and "Advice" go figure :) as if life was not hard enough,who gives a %%%%% :P
Cheers
Arthur

[Omaroo]

I have to say that I give a %%%%% :P

We have a language - and it is universally relied upon in order to communicate with each other. The more *******isation due to laziness that occurs, the more the language deteriorates in general. Over time we're just going to get back to grunting to each other. I'm actually proud of the fact that I'm a reasonably good speller, and I don't see what's wrong with that. If it's more macho to not give a rats, then I guess some people will prefer that option.

Maybe it's because I'm in advertising. If I hired artists who can't spell accurately to design press ads, then that falls back on the client when their ad prints in a million newspapers the next morning with "You're right" spelt "Your right". The two are completely different in their meaning - so it is important to get it right. One means "You are correct" and the other means "Your right to do whatever".

[matt]

Totally agree.

[ving]

isnt the english we speak now just a *******isation of what was spoken back in teh 1800s? we certainly dont speak teh same english that was spoken back then! languages morph over time it seems. maybe its time for yet another of these morphs... maybe we are fighting progress? ;)

[matt]

But how does phonetic spelling help, when that means everyone is free to spell any word they like however they like?

That's even more chaotic than what we have now.

Isn't a large part of the effectiveness of any given language (in written form) based upon some form of uniformity or agreed consistency?

[nightsky]

G'Day,
When I go onto a chat room or a forum like this,I really,really don't care if there's a . , " ! ? or a capital letter starting a new sentence or whatever! Grammar and spelling in chat room's go's out the door,and so it should,it's a chat room not a school.BTW I haven't checked the spelling,but I'm sure someone will :P
Cheers
Arthur

[ving]

g'day Matt!.... oops i mean hello.
you try and tell that to the poeple of the 1800s. I am pretty sure that they wouldnt understand half of what is said today....

which english is more correct?

[Omaroo]

In reference to "chat rooms", as such, agreed Arthur - to an extent. The problem that I see is that most young people that I know hang around in these rooms for a good portion of their day, and over time think that it's acceptable to take the same language out into the real world. I can't remember how many young people I've had to refuse work to because they thought it was OK to spell however they felt like spelling something. It's not only spelling, but grammar and punctuation that matter in the professional written world too. The way people conduct themselves on these forums is a huge influence on education IMHO. All I can tell a failed applicant is that they're not "actually worth anything" to me and my business if they don't think language is important. Some can't believe that I refuse them on that basis. Technically I don't have to tell them why I don't want them, but some may actually learn something useful by knowing.

[ving]

i agree with the above statement. :)

[merlin8r]

Everyone is always so quick to blame a teacher. Do you teach your kids correct spelling and grammar? My parents did.

[nightsky]

G'Day (Good Day)
Point taken Omaroo and fair nuf (enough)
Cheers
Arthur

[matt]

David... would that I could. However, given time machines have yet to be invented, I'll let that go straight through to the keeper.

The difference here, I believe, is that people are advocating we allow people who ostensibly speak the same language in the same era (ie 2007, 21C) to spell words however they like. So, we will see all manner of spelling and interpretation across people of the same cultural group and era.

Let's not bother bringing the 1800s into this debate. Although I understand the point you are making:) Language is an organic creature, and yes, it changes over time.

At this moment in time... we have this thing called a dictionary and a language which, whether we like it or not, involves a large degree of agreement in terms of structure and definition at any given moment in time.

This new push is to do away with that formalised, agreed way of spelling words and constructing sentences etc etc

[Omaroo]

Sorry Merlin - by "teacher" I mean "someone who teaches". That could be anyone, including a school teacher, sibling, friend or parent.

[matt]

A very, very important point.

Why hold yourself back and limit your options (professionally speaking) by not coming to terms with this?

[ving]

I constantly correct my daughter. I hope it sinks in... it seems to :)

school isnt the only place of learning.

[Omaroo]

Yup yup yup. Language does evolve, but that evolution is officially ratified by its inclusion in the good 'ol Macquarie Dictionary as it goes. Given that, an 1800 dictionary was good for their time period - as is the one you'd go buy at a book store today for ours.

[leon]

I'm with Arthur. :thumbsup:

Leon :scared3:

[matt]

True.:thumbsup:

However, school is where so much of this is meant to be 'taught' and it is our children's educations at school which are under threat from this phonetic nonsense.

Personally, I believe it's just laziness. On everyone's part.

That's just my opinion. Although observation tends to suggest the standard of teaching, particularly areas such as English, has been slowly on the slide for a while.

Just my opinion.:D

[duncan]

I too,agree with this. Children of today should still be taught to spell and use grammar properly.

[matt]

yep. That's the point I was making:)

[Omaroo]

LOL! (there you go..... a linguistic emoticon :doh:)

:lol:

You can't hide behind the couch forever Leon!

[ving]

not wanting to bring back the olde 1800s (ok i do want to really :P) but I am sure they had dictionaries too and when new terms and spellings were being created back then i am 90% sure that the learned people ear bashed those decendants of ours that created the modern english we now speak... i am guessing that since we dont speak ye olde english anymore they the scollars of the time caved in or perhaps they were more willing to embrace change than we are? there are times we need to hold change back and other times that it should be embraced. phonetic spelling has olny got to make things easier so maybe we should dump our old way as out ancestors did and give the new ways a warm loving embrace and make it feel welcome :)

[ving]

and the dictionary of the 1800s evolved to the current version through changes in our language as is happening now. the macquarie is continually adding new entries, entries that a decade ago we would have laughed at but now are common vernacular. it it is very probable that there words you are now shunning will soon become part of said dictionary... will they then be embraced?

[nightsky]

G'Day,
Really! Omaroo I am surprised Yup Yup Yup indeed ;)
Cheers
Arthur

[matt]

David

Phonetic spelling dictates that we no longer have an agreed way of doing things.

It'll simply be a vowel-and-consonant free-for-all!:lol:

You can't keep refering to this 1800s dictionary and drawing comparisons to today, since going the phonetic way will, in effect, throw the dictionary out the window!

We're not talking about history repeating itself in terms of changes to the dictionary.

There will be no dictionary, since everyone will be spelling words however they want.

[ving]

twas most likely laziness that caused the change in from olde to new in the first place, no?

[Omaroo]

I do mock myself from time to time. :D

[ving]

stop me! :P


isnt language funny :D

[nightsky]

G'Day,
You see what you started MortonH :P As for me, being "Irish" born I never liked "English" anyway :)
Cheers
Arthur

[fringe_dweller]

that bloke was me, and you are lazily misrepresenting what I said, i was talking about seeing on it misused on a DAILY basis, for years on end (not just here) in THREAD TITLE'S
i love how people cant wait to misrepresent and twist what you say :rolleyes:
and i am quite pleased to say i have rarely seen it since i said that -
really life is to hard and short to be complaining about someone complaining? :shrug: cant be that hard if your in here recalling something like that?

[matt]

I wouldn't want to. Got better things to do. So there!!! :P

Nah nah nah nah.:lol:

[ving]

:rofl:

[matt]

Good stuff.

At least we can laugh. And that is universal;)

[ving]

yep, nuthing rong with a good laff :P

[matt]

:rolleyes: :lol:

[nightsky]

G'Day,
Opps sorry :( bad memory on my part.
Cheers
Arthur
P.S. have to sign off now, I have medals to polish and shine for tomorrow

[ving]

want to try something funny? ;)

http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html

[MortonH]

Wow. I just came back to this innocent thread I started a few hours ago and look what's happened!!!

As a follow-up, what about the stores in Sydney that sell book's and video's???

M

[fringe_dweller]

Hey Morton, no such thing as an innocent thread from pedants around here mate - shoot (first and ask questions later from) the messenger :lol: :D
in fact its so memorable, people will remember you for the rest of their natural lives ;)

personallyl i only seem to care about some spelling issues, and care so little for grammer ect. ( well i am from the gonzo journos/beatnik on the road poet era :P)
not sure what makes me this partial a pedant - its like being 5% pregnant!
I love words tho :thumbsup:

[OCULUS]

blame technology.........mobile phone texting requires one finger/thumb to talk for you. You would get fingerache if you had to write full sentances out with one finger/thumb. (predictive text is the devils work:P )
l8z..

ps :D <- do these icons also count as lazyness?

[JimmyH155]

To all youses who want to speak and write more better English, I recommend one of my favourite reference books - Fowler's Use of English (Oxford University Press I fink) a real ripper. He takes a whole page to explain the difference between Continuous and Continual. :D
Magic stuff, and I should know :) because a few years ago I diddn't know what an Engineer was, but now I are one.

[ving]

lol @ jimmy!

thou aret leet in my eyes!

[Moon_Shine]

God! your such a wuss,get over it and stop complaining. What's "i was talking about seeing on it misused" can you explain that??? and whats "i love how people cant wait to misrepresent and twist what you say" I thought he waited a long time,it did happen months ago right!!! Get real mate

[OCULUS]

My worse half recommends Eat, shoots and leaves as a book about punctuation etc. I havent read it but she is a stickler for correct grammer etc.

[fringe_dweller]

that was like a year a ago get stuffed - why doesnt anyone demand that this thread be deleted like mine was - why isnt this guy gettin the same abuse i recieved?

[fringe_dweller]

ya wouldnt be callin me a wuss to my face jerk - coward

[Moon_Shine]

Please refrain from using words like "get Sxxxxxx" this site is also for children,it's a "Family Forum" Now I think this thread should be closed,especially when people cant control there language.

[matt]

It's easy. Just report a bad post if you think someone's gone too far or contravened the TOS. Then it's up to the mods:)

[fringe_dweller]

who's the wuss now?

[fringe_dweller]

hey mate, I started ONE thread on this subject in my entire life! it reminds me of the old mediterranean area proverb/joke
'have relationship with one Capra aegagrus hircus - and thats it forever your the '**** ******'

[ving]

guys, simmer down.

i dont thinkthere is anything wrong with the word "stuffed" btw.


my car was alright, but now its stuffed
I just had a bbq chook, but i dont understand how it gets stuffed
... get 12 stuffed olives and stir into soup...
if karma catches up to you you'll be really stuffed


:eyepop:

:lol:

[fringe_dweller]

well said Ving - that exactly what i meant, if anonomous cowards can dish out abuse they should be able to recieve IMO
yes i meant 'go straight to the taxidermist' is what i meant to say

[Moon_Shine]

Shouldn't you be standing on a ledge somewhere??? Lets say umm 10 maybe 15 floors up,of course the higher the better right!! of course I'm right,there's a good boy ,up you go

[DobDobDob]

I feel that I should say something intelligent at this point, but that might be an oxymoron :whistle:

[matt]

Get stuffed, Ron!!!:lol:

That reminds me. It must be lunchtime

[DobDobDob]

Blimy Matt, are you sure you don't have webcam switched on, just this minute I finished gorging on a health bar :whistle:

[matt]

We're watching, Ron. Watching very closely.:lol:

And don't think we haven't already made note of your health bar 'activities':rofl:

[fringe_dweller]

huh!? :shrug: hey i'm the fringe_dweller no the ledge_dweller :D

[ving]

:rofl:

[DobDobDob]

Ahhh I know your joking, but if you could tell me it was a chocolate covered sesame bar, then I'd really be paranoid :help:

[ving]

it was a chocolate covered sesame bar... :astron:


just spotted this(how quick am i). sorry but its not my joking, might be someone elses...


isnt english a funny language.

[matt]

Oh man!!! That's freaky. It's all coming full circle:scared:

[DobDobDob]

Right, that's it, I'm reporting you to Mike Salway, there is just no way you could have known that :P

[fringe_dweller]

I DEMAND that someone DEMAND this thread deleted :tasdevil:

[matt]

Kearn

You're so DEMANDING!:rofl: ;)

[iceman]

Is this thread still going?

Move along nothing to see here.