Pay Slips and the Employment Angencies

[leon]

Hi Guys, just a question please, and no, it is not about my Desktop:lol:

Alice is been on job seeker for a while and now has secured a part time job which covers her Center-link obligations.:thumbsup:

However her Employment Agency keeps on nagging her to hand in Pay Slips, do these things still exist, as she is getting paid directly into her Bank Account.

Or is the Agency wanting proof of wages, because as all Center link Clients, we are all thieves, and tell porkies and rip off the Government, :mad2::mad2:

Leon:thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Ask the agency.

Tell them what you have explained here and seek their solution as presumably they have encountered a similar situation and can help you.

But just relax and be patient as these matters should not be allowed to cause either of you any upset.

Alex

[leon]

Thanks Alex, yea I know, it takes some time for them to get it.

Alice is just trying to do the right thing and declare any earnings, but that is not good enough for them.

We live comfortably in a unit on this property and Alice receives a little pay for caretaking the property with me.

We are happy with that, the money is deposited in the bank and we declare it.

We lose a bit of the Jobseeker payment from C/Link but we are happy for that to happen as we don't want to be in debt to them.

At the end of the day we don't want any Pay Slips.

We could have just said nothing and pocketed the money and get Jobseeker as well.

It seems the more honest you are the worse off you become :shrug:

Leon:thumbsup:

[Retrograde]

I believe there is no requirement to provide payslips to an employment agency.
https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/eet_ctte/estimates/bud_1718/Employment/Answers/SQ17-004216.pdf

This is from 2017/2018 however but I don't think it has changed.

[The Mekon]

Did she obtain the part time work through the employment agency? If so do the right thing and provide some documentation to support their request. If she obtained this work without agency help, then you should refuse. The agency are paid by the governement when clients obtain work and will try to get that payment, even if is not justified.

[doug mc]

Last I heard it was an offence for an employer not to provide pay slips. Pay slips in one form or another have always existed . It may be the employer is trying to hide underpayment of some kind.

[multiweb]

+1 Alice's employer has to provide this by law + breakdown, super contrib, etc...

[leon]

John, Alice found her own work, the employment agencies are not that good at that.

We have a verbal agreement with the owners of this property and we are happy with that, the amount payed was discussed and also agreed on, and it was agreed to pay into the bank, we do not want pay slips, super, or any other payment.:)

Just trying to do the right thing with C/Link, not interested in the Employment Agencies, they are a business after all and not that interested in people. :sadeyes::sadeyes:

Thank you for your responses.

Leon:thumbsup:

[leon]

doug mc, the employer as you name then are the owners of this property and are the most wonderful people you could find and saying that they may be hiding something is an insult.

WE ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T WANT A PAY SLIP, we don't have a issue with them.
Leon:thumbsup:

[astronobob]

Hi Leon,
Not sure if I got this right,but you renting on the property ?
If so, maybe ask owner if can deduct earnings straight from the bill, he gets his and no one else need to know, ?

[GrahamL]

Leon as Marc points out Alice seems to be an employee , with that will come obligations to both her and her employer ,,CLink or the ATO will be able to help ... not sure on the employment agencies theses days but previously I have had them wanting support confirmation,presumably to get some funding when they hadn't done bugger all much of anything .

[mswhin63]

My wife only has to provide payslips if the agency finds the work for her. Mostly I think it has to do with proof of ongoing support that Centrelink requires to maintain the funding.

It should not be the case if the person finds their own work unless they are trying to use the agency for support in the new job.

My wife circumstances are different as she receives a DSP, and requires ongoing support but she doesn't like the ned to do it, but it is required. I believe my eldest son will have to do the same as he is on a Newstart with DSP support as well.

[Astronovice]

Some years ago Centrelink contracted out job placement, this service is now provided by Employment Agencies, who get paid on results, either by getting people into employment or training.

If you find yourself a job your only obligation is to report income to Centrelink and the ATO. Centrelink may adjust your benefit depending on how much you earn. The tax man then knoweth all, because if you don’t tell them Centrelink and the Bank does. You would have to ask Centrelink what they are prepared to accept as proof of earnings. They may accept a copy of the bank account statement showing regular deposits.

Could be a can of worms re super obligations by the employer. May be possible to say self employed as a cleaner but that may prompt other obligations so you need good advice from someone. You could call Centrelink and explain the situation but they may then consider you to be part of the infamous undeclared black cash in hand economy. Good luck.

[mswhin63]

The super is a good point, one of my wife's employers had not paid super and found out via the reporting system. She eventually got the money back. It was some time ago so I forgot about that.
The cleaning business went bankrupt during the process as well.

[leon]

All good points, thank you to all.

I don't think most of you know what Alice and I do.

We travel around Australia and do house/farm sits and look after peoples property whilst they are away, most of the time we get nothing except free accommodation, power and utilities paid as well, we are happy with that.

This time we landed a dream House Sit near Warranambool, have a very luxurious cottage to live in, everything else is free as well and they said that they would like to pay us some money for the job.

OK, we said, that would be wonderful, and we agreed on the amount.

Alice is on Job seeker, so we discussed it and said we best declare it to C/Link as we are obligated to do so.

So there you have it nothing to do with any Agency, this was our doing and I feel it is none of their business, we do the right thing and report it to C/Link so that should be it.

This Employment Agency, as with most of them are just a business and really don't care if one gets work or not, as each time they ask you to come in they tick you off and get a payment from the Government for doing that.

We have over the years experienced the lack of support, interest and a don't care attitude from a number of these places.

So they can bugger off and we will just go the C/Link and explain it to them, and do the right thing and not rip of the community.:)

Leon:thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Unbelievable Leon as it would seem its none of their damn business...

I mean sure if they were involved it finding a job etc...

the employment agency in a certain little town near here I am reasonably certain survives from government handouts only... as first, being a small town if there was a job on offer everyone would know and positions are most likely filled by family or friends...little need for an agency one could think.

I went there looking for something and one job as a manager I know I could have "managed" they would not even let me talk to the client because I had not worked in that particular industry...management is management and industry experience is perhaps not the important issue..( I had no experience in race promotion but nailed "the best event" first go) lack of experience in the industry may even translate to an advantage as one is not burdened with "but we have always done it that way"...in any event I bet I could have got that job or at least had the client strongly consider me...and then they approached me for re training (how would that give me experience?)...obviously not for my benefit but I expect theirs..I lost it.." Mate I can do your job and anyones here and see all these shops down the street I can run any of them and you want me retrained... tell me what to? a doctor this late in life.???..and tell me then would you let me talk to the client???" ...

Their assistence in finding work was to sit you in front of the computer and scroll thru:lol:

Anyways Leon go in to their office have some fun and say you want to apply for jobs totally inappropriate and acuse them of prejudice when they refuse to set you up to see the client;)

Alex

[doug mc]

Sorry, wasn't aware of the employment arrangement.