Astra Zeneca shot

[Exfso]

Had my first one 4 days ago, nothing significant in side effects, bit lethargic and a slight headache a day after but that was it.
When I had the shot, I was handed this list of possible side effects, scared the living hell out of me..:rolleyes:

[Finbar]

Had mine 2 weeks ago today; exactly 9 hours later began to feel a little odd, and 15 minutes later got chills. Had to pull out of an overnight online course (via Zoom run from Europe) to take chattering teeth to bed. Slept well, and woke to mild headache in the morning, and all back to normal within 24 hours of the shot. No big deal really, just unusual, and a good excuse to go to bed.

[multiweb]

Got mine done 5th of May. Felt like sh!t the day after and the following. No energy left whatsoever. But it's got to be done.

[Sunfish]

I have had mine also. Second one coming up this month. Felt like the start of a cold the next day but still went out for a swim. Friends who are younger had more of the cold symptoms but older folk feel nothing. Tougher maybe.

[sheeny]

I had my first shot last Thursday. Haven't had any significant symptoms. I'm just hoping the amount of immunity isn't proportional to the severity of the side effects of the vaccine!:lol:


Al.

[Londoner]

Got mine done in early April.
OK that day but felt like the onset of flu later that night.
Took some Panadol that night and next morning. Sore arm for a couple of days, but all OK since. Was told the second shot could knock you around a bit. :(



Mick

[Astronovice]

Had mine done on Thursday 2 weeks ago tomorrow. Ok until Saturday, then aches and feeling stuffed Saturday and Sunday. Back to all good by Monday. A small price to pay.

[Paul Haese]

I had my first shot on 8 of April due to suppressed immune system. The following day it hit with a cracking headache, aches in muscles and joints, a higher temperature and feeling like I had been belted around. It was a rough time. However after 36 hours or so it passed, using pain killers helped to dull the effects. No other issues since. My next shot is one month from today. I am happy enough to go through the process to allow us all to be protected from a virus that has a high kill rate. It might never be eradicated from the world but at least it will protect us from an early death, long lasting effects or just the suffering seen in other parts of the world.

[AstralTraveller]

I was done last Friday. I was OK until after dinner but then quickly got very tired, joint pain, headache and chills with shaking. Off to bed with pain relief which allowed a broken sleep. I was pretty lethargic on Saturday but much better on Sunday, though with a couple of brief relapses into shakes, and then fine from Monday. I wouldn't do it for fun but it wasn't a big drama.

One thought I had afterwards is that it may not have been the best idea for me and my wife to get done on the same day. Logistically it made sense but if one had had a severe reaction the other one wasn't in a state to provide much help - or they would have knocked themselves about while trying.

Interesting that some people have been told you can get a reaction to the second shot. I've heard the opposite and so I am hoping that the second shot is plain sailing. The silver lining to getting symptoms is that at least you know that your immune system is operating.

[multiweb]

I was talking to a nurse and she got the pfizer. 1st dose was a walk in the park but the second one 3 weeks later levelled her. She was in bed for the day. She told me the astrazeneca is the reverse. The 1st shot is the "big one" then the booster shot is fine. The advantage of the pfizer is that you get immunity after 3 weeks. Astrazeneca you have to wait 12 weeks. Coverage is only 33% for both 1st doses with the latest virus variant so until you get your 2nd shot it's best to be very careful and assume you weren't vaccinated yet and act accordingly. Masks, etc...

[Renato1]

My wife had a headache and felt like she was starting to get the flu the next day, and then they went away the day after.

I felt nothing - I was absolutely fine.
Regards,
Renato

[SimmoW]

Yes had ours early May, AZ. 24 hrs of fever and flu like symptoms, then felt invincible. Sucks that we have to wait over a month for full immunity tho.

Fascinating RE. All the talk about this Kappa variant being more virulent. Time will see….

[Exfso]

This new Delta variant looks to be a worry. It is the one that has apparently ravaged India and the UK. I know people who are overseas want to get back, but at what cost. We still have issues with people coming in being infected and the quarantine hotels always seem to be having problems. I think each state needs to build a purpose built quarantine area as I do not think this virus is going away any time soon. Just my 2c worth..

[vlazg]

Our facility at Howard Springs up here in Darwin has worked exceptionally well, no community transmission whatsoever, I do not understand why the other states have not done so apart from everything being political these days.

[ngcles]

Hi All,

I had my first dose of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine about twelve hours ago. Arm feels a bit heavy, diffuse, low-grade headache but no other side-effects noticed at this stage.

Whatever you do, don't believe all that conspiracy theory rubbish about injecting micro-chips to control your behaviour or thinking -- complete garbage!

On a completely unrelated topic, have I ever mentioned how much I really love Microsoft products? I am tonight in the process of updating all my Microsoft software on both laptops and have purchased another $500- worth of Microsoft subscriptions!

Can't really think of any reason why I have remained so ambivalent or equivocal about them until this afternoon. What do you think about Microsoft products? I reckon they are completely awesome!! ;)

Best,

L.

[julianh72]

My symptoms after my vaccination were different to yours. My feelings towards Microsoft are unchanged, but I did notice that my 4G smartphone can now pick up a 5G signal if I hold it close to my left shoulder (where I had my first AZ shot).
:screwy:

[multiweb]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Startrek]

My wife and I had our shots yesterday afternoon, I woke up at 2.00am with a massive headache , shakes and shivers ( flu symptoms) My wife is perfectly fine
Still feel crap today , Panadol every 4 hours , still have a heavy head and a bit weak , just going to rest up today
Hopefully the next one in 3 months won’t affect me as much
Glad both of us aren’t miserable
Doctor was great ,very informative and thorough, didn’t feel a thing

[Zuts]

Obviously you are an Apple user.....

[Startrek]

How did you know !

[Max Vondel]

My GF and I had AZ about 2 weeks ago.
No real side effects other than a sore arm

[mswhin63]

I had the same symptoms, but not an Apple user. mmmm Am I dreaming? :screwy:

[Nikolas]

How is everyone's 5G reception?

[RB]

Depressing....

:P

[leon]

Marc, waiting 12 weeks for the second dose of AZ is actually a made up story by the Government.

This is said because their roll out is so slow and that they do not have sufficient dosage for all to do a quick turnover.

We live on the same property of a wife and partner who have both had the second dose four weeks apart and was told that even two weeks is OK.

She has now flown to the States and her partner will follow next week.

Leon:thumbsup:

[julianh72]

Actually, the science indicates a stronger immune response can be generated by waiting 12 weeks, rather than just 3-4 weeks - especially in older people, who are most at risk:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01299-y
That report refers specifically to Pfizer, but similar studies have been reported for AZ as well.

[multiweb]

:shrug: mate.... that's what Bill Gates recommended. :P

[alan meehan]

Dont want the vaccine told the doctor to send mine to New Guinea i have too many health problems no ifs or buts final

[h0ughy]

arent you offering your butt for a jab??

[alan meehan]

that doesnt sound very comfortable
ah NO had a hepatitis jab when i was 12 couldnt sit for a week

[TrevorW]

Anyone wonder why people over 50 are told they can have the AZ vaccine, age discrimination at its worse, but not the Pfizer which is 95% effective against various COVID strains - I'm in WA so I will wait awhile to get the Pfizer in preference to the AZ, I should have the choice, I should also have the option to pay for the dearer vaccine if I wish- AZ $4 per dose Pfizer -$20. So no vaccine for me just yet :)

[Hans Tucker]

Same here. Can't get past the blood clotting issue.

[drylander]

I'll wait too. I know being hit by a car is more likely than a blood clot but then I don't cross a road until I have checked to see if it's safe to do so.
Pete

[AndyG]

Just had my second Pfizer jab yesterday. They say the 2nd shot is worse than the first, but not this time it seems. No pain, I just wanna go to sleep...

[Dave221]

I had my first AZ recently. I’m of the view that the longer people wait to get a vaccination, the longer it will be before we all have general protection from Covid-19. I understand that younger people are more likely to have issues with AZ, hence they get Pfizer.

[AnakChan]

I had my 1st shot (AZ) last Wed morning. Within 15 mins I had a mild throbbing headache but nothing major. Took Panadol regularly. 12 hrs later though at night, I had the chills, fever, etc. 2nd day the headache got worse and body felt like the onset of the flu - muscle aches, lethargic, etc. but no more chills. Day 3 was just the mild headache again and all good by Saturday.

AZ/Pfizer doesn't bother me. I just need the stamp/cert that I'm vax-ed so that when the borders open I can travel more easily. Don't want to get caught in the vax rush when we can travel again.

[toc]

Got my AZ about 2 weeks ago - worst symptom was a sore arm for about a week. Had very mild flu systems for a few days and lingering lethargy. No big deal.

[muletopia]

My wife and I had our second AZ sots yesterday.After the first shot I had no reaction an Maureen had a red spot at the injection site for a couple of days.
Neither of us has had any reaction to the second shot.


Chris

[gary]

In breaking news, The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) panel is now putting forth the recommendation to the federal
government that the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine should now be given only to people over the age of 60.

At time of writing, the federal government is yet to accept the recommendation.

Story here :-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/atagi-to-change-astrazeneca-age-rules-covid-vaccine/100222464

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/astrazeneca-vaccine-age-recommendation-raised-to-60-20210617-p581t3.html

[multiweb]

So we get a Pfizer second shot? ;)

[JA]

Thanks for sharing that Gary,

That seems like a reasonable thing to do, even though it puts a huge strain on vaccine supply. Even without any vaccine related effects, the incidence of blood clots / thrombosis and strokes etc.. increase significantly with age, so it seems like a reasonable thing to do, to not add to the risk further with any AZ vaccine related blood clots. Further to that and irrespective of age group, the AZ vax is currently not recommended in patients who have had certain types of strokes CVST, etc. (In such cases an exemption can be had to get the Pfizer vax even if over 50 years of age).

Like anything the Pfizer vax is also not perfect with some potentially serious although rare effects recently coming to light, such as heart inflammation.

Best
JA

[glend]

I believe the Pfizer heart inflammation concern relates to younger people, like around 16 yo.

[JA]

Hi Glen

and yes it's certainly true that the studies relate to younger folk, but the conditions seen there like heart muscle and pericardial inflammation are also seen in the older population even without any potential vaccine related effects. So in patients, more prevalently older folk, who have already suffered from such conditions without even having had the vaccine, it may not be a great idea to potentially poke the bear further with the Pfizer vaccine.

Who's to say? - it's all about which is the better risk based on the best data and advice.

Best
JA

[glend]

It seems to me that there is far too much concern about the potential life threatening side effects, for certain folks. I simple blood test can determine if you have the concerning platelet issue, so why not find out before you go in for the vaccine? If you have ever had a blood test where the results were sent to your GP, they would already know.
Statistically speaking the odds are very low, you are probably more likely to be hit by lightening, or die in a plane crash, but people do not panic about those risks.

Give people reason to panic and some will. The noise from this whole discussion just feeds the paranoia, and gives more people a reason to reject the common health sense of just getting vaccinated. I am prepared to believe that the anti-vax lunatics are fostering the paranoia.

[JA]

Past test results or blood test just before getting the AZ vaccine will only show whether you have previously or currently have thrombocytopenia not whether you will develop it as a result of some sort of thrombolytic reaction to the vaccine or your own antibodies and go on to the full TTS and other reactions/syndromes. The AZ for example is not recommended even for over 50 year olds with certain conditions: certain types of strokes, allergies, other thromboses, etc



Long story short : From a heath risk management perspective, I think it's good to get the vaccine. It's just a question of availability of the one you want.

Best
JA

[Nikolas]

Ok now they recommend the pfizer jab for those up to 60 instead of 50
I was booked in for AZ this coming Wednesday, now gonna have to ring and ask what to do.
I wasn't overly keen for AZ

[Camelopardalis]

The bottom line is, if you have never had doubts about getting a flu vaccine, you shouldn’t with either of these vaccines either.

While there are some well publicised side effects, they are very rare…when compared to the risk of complications from actually hosting the virus, the full extent of which we will only begin to understand in the years to come as we treat more “long COVID” patients.

Of course it is tragic for the families of those that have suffered the extremes of these rare events, it has to be kept in perspective, and currently we’re building an increasingly robust means of treating those affecting the majority of those that develop a reaction.

Nobody seems to be bothered by the risk of anaphylaxis, but then that hasn’t been widely blown out of proportion.

The media have a lot to answer for.

[multiweb]

So true. Fluvax side effects have never been a media beat-up either. And the fact that even vaccinated people still catch the flu but fare better.

[alan meehan]

Iam not a anti vax person but iam very weary of something that might make me feel worse than iam normally there is a lot more side effects than just blood clots dozens to be excact the english assoc of the tga has now recommended that vaccinations should be stopped

[TrevorW]

All said and done no one yet knows the long term effects and efficiencies or these vaccines.

[mswhin63]

I am not sure about that, under the same assumption case we wouldn't know the long term effects of the virus itself. But it happens that we do know the long terms effects based on the science.

There may be some underlying effects mostly efficiencies with everything we do in our life, but I am happy to say that over the generation lifetime expectancy has increased overall and that is a promising sign of our medical understanding.

[alan meehan]

Thats so true true Trevor today at a press conferance nsw health said still wear masks and that you can still catch covid and spread it even if you have had the vaccine as you said no yet knows the long term effects and efficiencies of the vaccines after all we are only human

[Camelopardalis]

You guys talk about these vaccines like we've never done this before :shrug:

The Oxford-AZ vaccine was produced rapidly because (as with the UQ effort), a lot of the research had already been done during the original SARS and MERS events, and they also employed a vaccine vector commonly used for flu vaccines...in layman's terms, it was comparable to a cut-and-paste. That doesn't make them any less effective, it is well trodden ground, and this strategy has been working out pretty well for us these past few decades.

The mRNA vaccines are new in this case only in the scale of their deployment. mRNA technology has been around for a while now, we just didn't have a global pandemic handy to make it cost effective to deploy on a large scale. These leverage our body's existing protein factory to produce small quantities of a protein from a template we provide (the mRNA), that was designed to resemble the spike protein that has proven so effective at getting the virus into our cells. This then provokes an immune response that generates antibodies that then persist to fend of a "real" infection. It's akin to learning the words to a song so that you can sing along at a concert.

So, yes, we do have a grasp of how effective these vaccines are and what the risks are. Show a little respect for the efforts of the scientists that have worked tirelessly for the past 18 months trying to keep us safe, not to mention the millions that have lost their lives (and continue to do so) before these become more widely available.

Anyone believing that side-effects are the exception not the rule, then I recommend you do your research... start with biology and chemistry and let me know when you understand clinical trials :P Over the counter medicines such ibuprofen and paracetamol have their fair share of side-effects, heck even water consumption has side-effects.

If anyone is seriously curious enough for more information, then feel free to PM me...I have some experience with this kind of stuff ;)

(Note if you PM: "viewpoints" will be ignored, only scientific evidence will be discussed)

[TrevorW]

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/evidence-indicates-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-covid-va

[Nikolas]

Until we have 70% vaccination and that means fully vaccinated then yes masks are still necessary as we have not achieved herd immunity. You may get covid if vaccinated but it will be no worse than a common cold rather than either being hospitalised or have long term effects. Until your body achieves full immunity which is WEEKs after the second jab (astra or pfizer) you are still a vector for spreading and shedding the virus even if you don't get anything. Hence the reason for wearing the mask. when we reach herd immunity then we can return to normal (probably get boosters every year much like the flu jab but as vaccines get better maybe even less)

[Buck]

At last ........ some common sense !

Quote .. "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a Super Power"

[Hans Tucker]

Hey fellow lab rats apparently Victoria has developed and will make Australia's first local mRNA COVID-19 vaccine to be ready for clinical trials by the end of the year.

[billdan]

Do these vaccines actually work as intended. Check this report from the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-20/coronavirus-vaccinated-indonesia-medical-workers-contract-covid/100223636

More than 350 Indonesian doctors and healthcare workers have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, with dozens being hospitalised, Reuters reported.

Maybe its because they used the Sinovac innoculation which is only 77% effective.

[Nikolas]

Sinovac is even less effective than that, the Chinese claim it is 77% effective but those numbers are as reliable as the Chinese saying covid came from Italy