You are what you tell yourself

[xelasnave]

It is a clear night so I am off to see what I can see as they say. However in an effort to have a chat when I come in freezing I leave this idea to ponder upon. To consider the positive and negative power of “truisms”

Ever notice a overweight person has a throw away line…”every thing I eat turns to fat”
Or a disorganized person says “But I never have enough time”
Neither realize they program their sub conscious with these simple little throw away lines that build their Universe:) .

The only way to lose weight is to look in the mirror and say..
”I am finally starting to trim some pounds”(or similar).
The only way to find more time is to replace the throw away with… “I always have time to do what needs to be done”… the little self image will do the rest..or so I believe.
Saying "I never have any money is often the reason you never have any money" whereas saying "I find I always have enough cash to do what I want" sees you getting the little things one desires..scopes, mounts, cameras and the like.
Do you have or know of a throw away line that is responsible for a very positive or very negative outcome...in your self or in others:shrug: .

One I have taken a particular dislike to is the …”you have to spend money to make money” which is usually offered as an excuse to actually doing some work using the current tools at hand.

Why not say “I don’t need to spend money to make money” and open all the opportunity that is available with applied effort by getting the subconscious on side with a positive throw away line.

So lets have them… think about the things you or others tell you are facts which destroy or enhance your life or the life of others.

Consider the terrible effect of saying.. “oh I have a terrible memory “ for example.
AND saying "what goes up must come down" sees all plans to levitate go out the window"... I feel that one is too entrenched for me to have any hope of leaving the ground.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The subconscious drives your mind and creates your Universe from the centre, where we each stand, outwards and changes all it can conceive to match what it is told…. :eyepop:
Alex:) :) :)

[DobDobDob]

Er....do you mean, "be careful what you wish for" :P

Btw (not trying to hijack this thread before it even begins) I actually read your manifesto (http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?p=49215 (http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?p=49215)), it certainly had a lot of words in it :whistle:

[xelasnave]

Ron I dont know what to say other than how could you read all of it even I give up when I try to read it to remember what I said.
I need to review it and see if I have changed any ideas and given the way I write and do not look at what I have written I must go thru it and correct any errors. It has been so off the top of my head that it is hard going even for me..and I wrote it.
So you accept the proposition as put thats terriffic. Needless to say science has to catch up so I am giving it a rest ... However there are many robots out there who now know more about gravity than many humans.. over 14,000 it seems.. I check the photos and the number of times viewed which gives a better idea of who actually reads it.
alex

[DobDobDob]

Now hang on a moment, I said I read it, I didn't say I accept it. I do accept your right to write (hmnnn possible tongue twister there) whatever you please. Only time will prove or disprove your model.

I find your model no different than my doughnut model, other than the author and the basic facts differ. Hehehehe that was a bright sentence :whistle:

Essentially I am saying you can say whatever you like, being right or wrong is almost like being correct or incorrect :screwy:

I can tell you that I think the fact that you bother to write anything at all speaks volumes about you, it tells me

[xelasnave]

Just testing:lol: :lol: :lol:
I have learnt thru my search that many get away with stating something and simply asume that all will agree.
I great thing about the matter at hand most say space time says it all when it comes to gravity and at that point one must cringe and say wel i could not go up against the great man himself ... investigation however told me that space time is geometry.. the old 3 sided triangle stuff with an additional "line" of time..mmm maybe that where "time line" came from.
Still it seems that space time says nothing as to how gravity works in fact I find nothing that offers much of a reasonable explanation. String theory suggests a leak between dimentions and I like you sadi now hang on are we not getting a little carried away. And of course for many such a statemtne is suficient but I prefer to find answers in this dimention first. Still the beauty of string theory is the propositin of almost infinite Universes so no doubt my system will be found to work in at least one.. Well that is strange logic but the prospect of explaining gravity as a weal force because some leaks into antoehr domenetion I find difficult to accept..so I dont accept such a proposition and look for my own.
alex

[xelasnave]

Sorry I got into the habit of placing a t in dimension to give folk a little laugh maybe..you know the old age problem thingy
alex

[DobDobDob]

If nothing else, before you depart this universe for your next one, try (really try) to learn what a 'Spell Checker" is :whistle:

[DobDobDob]

Okay, getting back on topic, here is an interesting few paragraphs broadly speaking about the thread topic, that I sourced whilst researching. I would like to say that the opinions expressed are those of the author and not mine, however the subject matter as a whole is interesting :P

Inspirations from the Chinese Saying "May Whatever You Wish for in Your Heart All Come True"

Wang Chunbing

There's a Chinese saying, "May whatever you wish for in your heart all come true." Let's carefully think about this saying. "Wishes" come from our minds, while "come true" is a tangible matter. Mr. Li Hongzhi says in his book Zhuan Falun, "In fact, let me tell everyone that matter and mind are one thing." (From "Why Doesn't Your Gong Increase with Your Practice?" in Lecture One of Zhuan Falun.) It is my understanding that it's the different forms of manifestation of matter that result in our existing classifications of mind and matter.


This reminds me of the principle of Yin (feminine elements) and Yang (masculine elements) from Taoism. It is my understanding that Yin is Yang, and Yang is Yin because Yin and Yang are mutually transforming back and forth forever. But we also discover that in Taoism, their Yin and Yang symbol takes a circle as a form. It is my understanding that it means that all the thousands of changes between Ying and Yang will not exceed the Tao. Even when the masculine or feminine element may appear to be dominant at times, when Ying and Yang seem to be completely reversed, or when they seem to battle with each other, they are in harmony and perfect balance, as implied by the circle. It depends on the level from which a person regards an issue whether he sees the Ying and Yang being reversed or in harmony. Of course, the higher one's level is, the closer one is to the truth. In the Tao School, harmony is the essential manifestation of Taoism.

Even though Carl Marx's Law of Unity and Opposition might appear to be similar to the Theory of Ying and Yang on the surface, the two theories are fundamentally different. It is my understanding that Marx used the two theories of opposition and unity to split each matter into two. He divided each matter into two aspects, two stages or two ways, and then explored their two aspects, stages or ways separately. He developed the Social Class Struggle Philosophy through using this approach. Marx emphasized the importance of opposition (i.e., struggles among members of different social classes) and ignored the importance of unity. Empirical science is similar to Marx's development approach in that empirical science tends to study an isolated object by itself instead of looking at the whole picture.

Mr. Li Hongzhi said at a public lecture, "As I've said, everything that happens today in the ordinary society is the result of Dafa disciples' thoughts." (From "Teaching the Fa at the 2002 Fa Conference in Philadelphia, U.S.A.") In the section "Demonic Interference From One's Own Mind" in Lecture Six of Zhuan Falun, Mr. Li also talks about the issue of demonic interference from one's own mind, or "transformation follows mind-intent." Dafa practitioners are cultivators. Since cultivation is a matter above the affairs of ordinary people, cultivators need to discipline themselves with the Fa (law and principles in the Buddha School) and hold themselves to a higher standard than that of ordinary people's society. A cultivator's mind-intent will make his wishes come true. We can also say "transformation follows mind-intent." Buddhas (enlightened beings) enjoy great freedom. Buddhas can have whatever they want. If a Buddha wants something, it will be created by the thought of it. At a higher level, a Buddha's one thought may create a universe. Hence, it is not hard to understand why gods may assemble into a tangible form or disperse into matter.

In the ordinary people's society, people use their hands and feet to make their wishes come true. Human society is also a layer of the Fa, and the Fa is coherent from the very top to the very bottom of the universe. Mankind's abilities are limited because they are at the ordinary human level. At the ordinary people's level, mind and matter take two polar forms. If an ordinary person merely wishes but does not actually work to make it happen, his wishes will definitely not come true. If an ordinary person only works all day long but doesn't have a single thought of his own, he is no more than a machine in operation. This should explain how mind and matter takes two polar manifestations at the ordinary people's level.
Dafa practitioners are creating the path for human beings to become Gods. Through cultivation practice and Fa study, a man can understand different levels of the Fa, and be free from human notions and conventional thinking. If a man continues to attain new layers of the Fa, he will return to his position in the universe.

Adapted from: http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=2030

[xelasnave]

In relation to the claim that...

If an ordinary person merely wishes but does not actually work to make it happen, his wishes will definitely not come true.

I tend to disagree using my definition of "work" and say if you believe this it will be this way for you..but it does not have to be this way.

If one makes a statement say "I am losing weight" even if not entirely true the mind does whatever and arrives at this goal with little effort.
If one says "I always have enough money" this will be the world they have.
When self image is confirmed I believe our mind produces the picture we provide.Our actions are then guided by the expectation we provide.
Most people think bad things, unhappy results and wonder why they are in perpetual strife. I think good things will happen and thats what I have delivered.
Sure things go wrong but are a small part of everything and any bad thing is only there to build your character and help you learn. That is the joy of being wrong it is a chance to improve your knowledge.
I find what I wish for "appears" not out of thin air but someone comes along and says ..can you use this? It arrives by the time I need it if in fact I really need it.
Not the next moment not the next day but sooner or later all becomes as I see it.. it is this way for most people but they fail to thing of how things flow to them and focus on the bad things without seeing the good things they have.

Maybe because I believe my Universe works this way it does work this way.
I would not change my life for anyone on the planet for I am happy and well provided for.

AND I am a terrible speller because I say that all the time.. so my mind is not in tune with being careful to see that a better result is delivered.

Spelling is not important to me and in fact reminds me of work and I resent the effort unless I get paid for the effort if you see what I mean. I expect others to take the meaning even if the word is spelt incorrectly with no effort on their part. I know that most folk are very particular about spelling however it is of little importance to me unless drawing a formal document letter etc. However I have been checking things of late and I have a laugh some of the things I fail to notice at the time. I dislike using a "big" word when I can use a number of small ones because that makes it available to more people. I see the opposite approach as not polite.
I dont believe this stuff about we can become or are on an the pathway to becoming gods but I have friends up North who are convinced such is the case.
It gives them hope or a feeling of importance but they convince themselves this is the case so for them it is their reality. I would not tell them I disagree with their view unless asked to offer my opinion which then I would give honestly.
I will now read the link and warm up some more before I go back out.
alex

[DobDobDob]

I would like to add my parting input in this thread by telling you of a very common but misunderstood phenomena. It deals with driving, more specifically driving through an accident.

The first thing you are taught is NOT to look where you are going, because you will always end up where you are looking.

Lets say you are losing control in a corner and heading for the wall, if you look at the wall, you are a certainty to hit it, there are physiological reasons why this is so. You can simply believe it without knowing the mechanics of why.

However if you look away from the wall and down the roadway, there is an excellent chance that you will end up there and avoid a head on collision with the wall.

In brief what is happening here is that your focus (in your mind) sends out all the necessary actions need to avoid the collision, if indeed it is not too late. This happens at the remarkable speeds that your mind is capable of, and gives you in most cases enough time to make the manoeuvres to get out of the Collison.

The key is to continue to stare at where you want to go and not where you are heading. I have personally tested this well known phenomenon on more than one occasion and I can testify that it works as I have described.

I would like to add the caveat that this is not foolproof and of course collisions can and do occur. However the physical processes involved are easily understood and is proof (of sorts) that support your initial statement which is the basis of this thread. :thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

The link says much the same without checking it word for word. So cold I am having trouble getting warm. Very clear out tonight very cold. I am going put some shoes on should have before.
I noticed that the lean was basically what I suggest is accepted by some but they are probably to wrapped up in it for them to really see it happen. It says we can manifest bad things also it seems. Marx I think needed to get out more and meet the people maybe. Still many thought he had the answers but he never understood the question. So this is sortta on topic very well so what have you found in this area. Any specific recorded observations.
alex

[xelasnave]

In the old days I raced moto cross, it was tame back then, but the worst thing that could happen was what we called target fixation.. You would be racing along and look a tree and for some reason (on occasions) you were just draw to it and it seemed like there was nothing you could do.. I pulled out of a tree one but went into a barrier and the tree was worse because it was outta control, the crash into the barrier was some how OK because it was over the tree was never over. It still scares me when I think about the near miss of the tree yet I can hardly remember the barrier hit. I certainly cant remember what hurt the following week there was always something hurting every week as in all sport.
We used to talk about TF because it happened to a lot of guys. We thought you must for an instant think "oh no" and then the fear freezes you and the mind forces you to crash so your worst fear comes true. I think its that sort of thing I was trying to get people to think about as I find it interesting hearing others experiences with "sayings". How maybe something they changed in their self talk gave good results..or bad for that matter. Used the spell check on the tool bar only five mistakes found... so if any more its not my fault its the machine and the software.
alex

[DobDobDob]

Okay, so you found the spell checker, you used it, it now has to become part of you, an extension of you. When that happens grasshopper, you will progress to the next plane of existence :P

[DobDobDob]

I have found that all things being equal is an impossibility :rofl:

[xelasnave]

Not the dam snow flake thing again Ron:doh: .
alex

[huckabuck]

alex, you went and shot yourself in the foot within just 1 exchange.:D



:confuse3:here's a classic



sorry alex, just poking fun:poke:

[xelasnave]

Well the problem now for Ron is clear ..can he find anything given that he is working with an old man unsure of himself:lol: :lol: :lol: .
No need to be sorry I like others to see me as capable of making mistakes and share the view I have of my self:) .
You can't believe everything people say about me..I am not perfect:sadeyes: . :lol: :lol: :lol: and that one is not off the top of my head it is a little joke that I have just about worn out;) :D :whistle: .
alex:) :) :)

[DobDobDob]

Alex, I have only one thing to say

[xelasnave]

still thinking Ron? look just start again so you can complete the sentence..just concentrate on one thought dont try to remember what you were gong to say just start again... and dont blame me that I have passed on any old age complains onto you ..that is another sign of er ... now I have forgoten what I was going to say as well.. dam it.
alex

[DobDobDob]

Damn it also :P

[casstony]

Regarding the topic of "you are what you tell yourself", I find this much easier to apply to others than myself. Once I had kids I developed a habit of complimenting them every day about their appearance, what a great friend they are, how good their spelling is, etc and the habit is easy to carry over to other people. It's a lot harder to avoid negative self images.

Regarding target fixation, I didn't learn about this simple yet powerful technique until I learned to hang glide in my twenties. By about the third day of training I was launching off a medium size hill and would automatically head for the lone tree in the paddock, which fortunately was out of range. This skill became very handy for gliding of course, and I transfered it to dirt bike riding where I found I was suddenly able to ride on the narrow ridge between wheel ruts by concentrating on the ridge. I also managed to "pick the gap" in a herd of cows in the only car accident I've had - the gap wasn't wide enough for the car but a cow bounced up over the passenger side of the car instead of coming right through the windscreen. I hope the technique is taught to new drivers these days.

[DobDobDob]

So do I Tony :thumbsup:

This approach is widely used in sport, in fact it's the only way of raising the bar to new heights. Every time a record is broken it is because the athlete focused on the previous record and then slightly bettered it.

In other words if you set a target anything less than the best, that is what you will achieve. That is not to say that simply thinking and wanting a record will ensure you get it, however not thinking about it will certainly never give it to you.

The immutable law of philosophy, "you are what you think" et al "you reap what you sew" and a million others, all reflect the same wisdom, and all mean exactly what this thread espouses.

Thus, if you focus on something, believe it totally, and take physical steps to ensure it's fruition, and providing it is possible, you are setting yourself up to achieve it. There is no guarantee of course, but just wishful thinking alone will probably not yield the desired result either.

Here ends the lesson :P

[jjjnettie]

The Power of Positive Thinking.
It's true!

[DobDobDob]

Are you sure about that? :P just kidding :thumbsup:

[jjjnettie]

Don't overlook how negative people can affect you as well.
They can drain you so much that it can take days to build yourself up again.

As Neil from the Young Ones says "Dont bring me down Man"

[casstony]

I deal with negative people by avoiding contact with them, though it would be nice if there was an easy way to open thier eyes to the pointless harm they cause to themselves and others. The avoidance tactic doesn't work so well if you have a negative thinker in the family though.

[xelasnave]

We were always on the positive thinking trip in sales and when someone was negative we would cross our fingers like a crusfix and hold it up saying..."bad seed..bad seed" ..I played a game with the staff if one said something negative I would say ï beg your pardon?" they would repeat what they said then so would I ..until they changed it to positive.. example "That house is over priced!"..pardon? "er that home is not competatively priced in the current market."... and who want to live in a "dead end street" when you can live in a..... come on its easy.
alex

[DobDobDob]

I unashamedly declare loving that guy!!!!!