So, what the heck is next?

[DarkArts]

Widespread drought, extreme heat, choking smoke, destructive and deadly fires, pummelling hail, downpours and floods, a deadly pandemic ...

What comes next? Giant meteorite, dinosaur style (uh oh)? Or Kyle Sandilands getting another TV show (ewww)?

It's times like these when we need a cool quote from Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China):

[StuTodd]

1 to 4 are a probable hot country scenario, fires tend to be deadly if you get in the way...hail, downpours and floods sound like Milford on a Wednesday and "deadly pandemic"??

Only in the modern media is the flu like "Coronavirus" a deadly hell disease from hell from real hell.

The deaths from Corvid-19 are next to nowt compared with % of sufferers. Not too bigger deal than flu. Stop believing the hype.

[Ukastronomer]

Well watch this and remember you have been warned about it for long enough

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xudm8n

BBC TV and not a dumb youtube sketch
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[Domino]

I tend to agree. The media these days tend to focus on one thing and then thrash it to death until they find something else to talk about. In the meantime they are giving us all a sense of insecurity.

[N1]

Keep calm, and observe.

[glend]

There is a danger in expressing unsubstantiated opinion as fact.

Fact: the Corona Virus mortality rate is, as announced by the WHO, 3.4% of cases contracted. This number is derived by looking at the death rate over all people contacting the virus, however the older you are the higher the death rate, and elderly males are more likely to die. So above 70 the rate is significantly worse.

The mortality rate for common influenza, averaged over all contracting, is typically described as around 0.1% as recently confirmed by the WHO.

The author of this opinion piece should check his supposed fact with WHO data.

[Imme]

I agree this is more than a flu but when it comes to what the media says take it with a grain of salt. Do your own research based on fact.

I think we all need to sit back and be pretty clear on what the mainstream media actually are......they are salespeople selling a product - advertising airtime. It is the only reason they exist.....to make money

The more 'attractive' they can make stories the $'s they get to rake in.

Think about it. What story would you listen to.....one that said there is a new strain of flu that is a bit worse than the normal strain, or, the is a flu causing a pandemic that you need to prepare for because you are in danger.

[multiweb]

Enjoying the up coming SPSP and clear nights this winter. That's what's next. :astron: Who cares about the media... less TV. more stars.

[JeniSkunk]

You missed one. Major erosion and dust storms.
That was being seen, as a result of the drought, in early November, last year, before the fires got going.

[AstralTraveller]

Didn't you hear? The SPSP has been cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak ..... :P

[multiweb]

I'm self quarantined at the house. Keep out. :P

[strongmanmike]

...hmmm? Well, don't laugh.....just saying :(

Mike

[multiweb]

So no singing and no hugging this year right?

[doug mc]

All of you are wrong. It all fake news. The toilet paper manufacturers put it out there to boost sales.

[Ukastronomer]

Reality

The flu remains a higher threat to U.S. public health than the new coronavirus.

This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.

Roughly a dozen cases of the deadly coronavirus have been identified in the U.S., though the number has mushroomed across its outbreak zone in China.

I am not saying it will not get worse but so far more anguish and upset has been caused by news agencies causing panic and over exaggeration, even the BBC. Now we have panic buying of food (storing) and any and all sanitizers even though most are 100% useless because they do not have at least 65-70% alcohol. Ordinary hand sanitizers, cloths, wipes are ineffective against a VIRUS, truth... a bottle of alcohol from an off licence with 60%+ proof is better and 100% more effective than a any cloth that says 99.999% effective against bacteria. Covis 19 is NOT a bacteria


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[DarkArts]

Well, at least some people twigged to this thread being tongue-in-cheek. I thought the Kyle Sandilands reference and "Jack Burton" quote would have been dead giveaways.

[strongmanmike]

Yes that would be sad :sadeyes:

If the pandemic continues on course, by May ASNSW will likely have no choice but to cancel SPSP.

Mike

[multiweb]

:lol: You sound like the Grinch who wants to cancel Christmas.

[AstralTraveller]

Wouldn't a bottle of metho be cheaper than buying booze? Well, buy the booze too but use it as recommended.

[Peter Ward]

Irish Priest holds up a earthworm during his sermon and dips it in a glass of whiskey. It promptly dies, with the priest saying to Murphy is the front row, what lesson can we learn from the daemon drink Murphy?

If we drink whiskey, we won't get worms!? (it's an old Dave Allen joke).

[AstralTraveller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ2HsJjAY5o :thumbsup:


Perhaps I'll just have to stay sozzled until the pandemic passes.

[tlgerdes]

At this point in time the ASNSW has not even considered the threat.

We will follow any government directions deemed appropriate at the time, but consider the event as a low risk event with prospect of people even self quarantining in the lead up in order to continue their attendanc, or avoiding if they deem themselves a risk.

We will add it for discussion at the next committee meeting, in lieu of things like refunds for non attendance if being asked to isolate.

[Peter Ward]

:lol::thumbsup:

Well researched!

[strongmanmike]

That's totally your interpretation Marc. I would be very disappointed if SPSP were required to be cancelled because Covid 19 advice was escalated but as dogs, butane camp stoves and lost children events have shown in the past, not much can be done in some cases but to have policies in place and adhere to responsible regulations for the safety of all.

Mike not being a Grinch :thumbsup:

[strongmanmike]

Sounds like a plan :thumbsup:

Mike

[LewisM]

I’ve stockpiled 375million rolls of toilet paper. I’ve already had offers from Costco and Woolies (Coles lowballed me). I’m gonna be rich...rich I tells ya.

Watch a certain US big pharma rake in the trillions when it miraculously finds a cure....conincidence? (deliberate mis-spell) You be the judge

[multiweb]

:sadeyes::sad:

[xelasnave]

I read about the various extinction events. The Younger Dryas ...30 feet sea level rise overnight apparently and another 400 sea level rise in the next five years. Some would have it that it was a cosmic impact that wiped out a reasonably well advanced civilization...and you think what would be left of us if the sea level played is those cards.
Imagine just the havoc of 30 foot over night tomorrow and another 400 feet by 2025.
Would what's left survive? If not what would be left after 10000 years.
Edit by way of addition.
I could imagine losing the ability to mine or generate power, mining coal may be beyond us..all that is left is recycled ...mmm
Alex

[Ukastronomer]

No perhaps that is what "these" are for ! ;)

[DarkArts]

Fair enough, I suppose. But I defy anyone to create a single emoticon that conveys the full (horror) meaning of "Kyle Sandilands". :eyepop:

[xelasnave]

He does not exist in my universe.
Alex

[FlashDrive]

What's next you ask .....??

A New Scope :thumbsup: ... what else is there ...!! :P;):lol::thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Yes it's that way for me, unfortunately for me I want more scopes which is stupid given I can't use effectively the ones I have...thank goodness no one else has such an issue.
Alex

[drylander]

want to bet on that?
Pete

[xelasnave]

Thinking about it I guess app fever is somewhat common.
Alex

[LewisM]

Hehe...

[LewisM]

And a reality check for some of the more sensitive persuasion...

[gary]

Those statistics come to 62,425 people per day or 22.8 million per year.

The 1918 H1N1 Spanish Flu pandemic killed an estimated 40 to 100 million people when the world population was only 1.9 billion.

Today the world population is 7.8 billion, or 4.1 times larger than it was in 1918.

So if the world population in 1918 had been 7.8 billion, perhaps the death toll would have been 164 to 410 million people from the H1N1 virus.

[LewisM]

Yes, and we have progressed exponentially in medical science.

Comparing statistics from 102 years ago when medicine was still VERY primitive to now is chalk and cheese.

The sky is not falling, people aren't dropping dead in the streets in droves. Keep calm and carry on living.

[DarkArts]

Sure, but that medical science hasn't found a cure and will take 12-18 months to deliver a vaccine.

Until then, practice excellent hygiene, observe good social distancing and obey quarantine instructions ... for which one needs to be reasonably prepared ... not ridiculously over-prepared (people with 6 months supply of toilet rolls) or not at all (idiots that go shopping after testing positive).

Medical science has improved exponentially but, alas, common sense seems to have gone backwards.

[Ukastronomer]

Has the human race gone mad, whilst I am not saying use grass or leaves, who in their right mind buys six months of toilet rolls, supermarkets here are "discussing" limiting customers to just 10 tins of beans ? 5 cartons of long life milk, who wants 50 cans of beans ?

In fact it would do US good to realize just how starving people DO live and have to in life 365 days a year.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/coronavirus-price-gouging-hand-sanitizer-amazon/265258/


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[LewisM]

YOU get it Jeremy, try explaining simply reality to those here who have completely swallowed the main stream media's panic mongering. Add in to that a dose of Aussie Karen factor (Karen is a female bogan, and a bogan is a numpty :P) and you have the Great Australian Idiot Panic Streak of 2020.

At least it has made many more aware Australia now imports just about everything. Yay us...totally sovereign and self-sufficient...NOT.

[LewisM]

Unfortunately, medical science has yet to cure a virus. Immunise against, yes, but cure, no. (and eradicate, but not yet cure) Treat the resulting symptoms is the only approach at the moments, then find immunogens to work up to an vaccine.

Take HIV for example - no cure, and with the rapid rate of mutation (within months), patients require a large cocktail of drugs to help combat the ailments caused by and the weaknesses in the immunity caused by the virus.

A virus is NOT a living thing - it is merely a capsule (termed a capsid) of RNA and DNA plus other biochemicals bound in a protein shell. It is literally incapable of reproducing itself outside of a mitochondrial cell, and hijacks the cell into splicing in it's own gene markers to reproduce itself (mutated from the parent and the host). As Jeremy pointed out a few post backs, you can't "kill" a virus, but you can causes it's lysis through strong alcohols and certain other disinfectant solutions (bleach, alcohol, peroxides and so on). Anti-bacterial wipes - which Woolworths Majura is sold out of lol - are completely ineffective, as are many of the "disinfectant" wipes, being insufficiently concentrated (sufficient concentration causes issues in humans). This is why virii are so difficult to do anything with - typically what "kills" a virus, kills the host when applied in the macrocosm.

[Ukastronomer]

The UK is worse then any, believe me, and it is daily life now they are saying people are googling CV and believing the crap they are being told by bogus sites are they are they complete MORONS.

40-50 years ago people had to be told to cancel the papers and milk when going on holiday, NPW they have to be told don't give your holiday away on social media as you may be broken in to when away DUH.................

[Ukastronomer]

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[Outcast]

Oi... my wife's name is Karen... I think you mean Shazza, surely??....:eyepop:

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[Ukastronomer]

Just been reported people are panic buying PET food, bet most forgot about that.


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[LewisM]

Big panic buys here beside bog roll is Italian produce - canned tomatoes etc.

Watch Mike storm every shop in Canberra getting his Roma tomatoes and pasta...:)

[strongmanmike]

Ha ha ha :lol:...Not that it was rocket science but It was pretty predictable which food items would start to run short on the shelves...deep down everyone has a little preper in them :lol:

[graham.hobart]

"Unfortunately, medical science has yet to cure a virus. Immunise against, yes, but cure, no. (and eradicate, but not yet cure) Treat the resulting symptoms is the only approach at the moments, then find immunogens to work up to an vaccine."


Sorry Lewis but certain genomes of Hep C can be cured - one of the best anti- viral advances in recent years....
What are genotypes and do they matter?
Six different genotypes of hepatitis C have been identified. Genotypes 1 and 3 are the most common causes of hepatitis C in Australia and make up 90 per cent of all cases. They are important because they help determine the treatment you need. Unlike in the past, however, your genotype is not important in terms of the chance of cure. With the treatment drugs, all six genotypes have a very high chance of cure.

[LewisM]

Yes indeed Graham - I was just reading about sofosbuvir last night. It's a fantastic leap forward.

Seems also that chloroquine is helping quite significantly with COVID-19, amongst many other viral infections. I'll keep drinking my daily tonic water - the quinine in it is a very close relative to chlorquine - even if it is in small concentration :)

[graham.hobart]

"Seems also that chloroquine is helping quite significantly with COVID-19, amongst many other viral infections. I'll keep drinking my daily tonic water - the quinine in it is a very close relative to chlorquine - even if it is in small concentration "
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I will drink to that!!

[Exfso]

Tonic Water is excellent for night leg cramps, only thing that works for my cramped calves in early hours of the morning

[Ukastronomer]

If you need 65% + alcohol for corvid 19 is this ok

https://www.houseofmalt.co.uk/product/cut-overproof-rum-75-5/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9ZzzBRCKARIsANwXaeKU isG8rlOoD6xcIP6WxNy05lwjzl7QQ8bX_Br _B-8EI2xjl869G3AaApQMEALw_wcB

Better still........... still !!! OK :(

https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/48853/sunset-very-strong-rum?kk=a4c62ee-170c561a1f8-18f110&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9ZzzBRCKARIsANwXaeK6S 26QnlYtC9pS-t6PEEya0y7-7Gu00My7zoQiSsRWhLXBrmRM29saAr8iEAL w_wcB&source=&utm_source=twe-aff-core&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=aff-core-4431890


:)

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[casstony]

Given that chloroquine (Plaquenil) is a commonly used drug, it should be fairly easy to collect data on covid-19 patients to see if there's a statistically significant difference in outcomes.

[LewisM]

Indeed Peter - it sure helps with my RLS. I went off the full-time drug regime many years ago (I take ZERO prescriptions meds), as I found tonic water (Schweppes) does the job just as well, at a fraction of the cost. The minor ear ringing side effect of quinine I can live with.

My RLS used to drive my wife nuts at night - and then me as she'd kick me awake :lol:

[LewisM]

It made a statistically significant difference in SARS cases, and thus far is showing similarly with COVID-19.

Drink tonic water people :)

On a serious note, maybe people have figured it out already - tonic water stocks are VERY low at my local Woolworths (along with essentially NIL pasta as I predicted)

[Outcast]

Does the mandatory additive also assist in a significant way or just help improve the taste?

[xelasnave]

I bought some tonic water. Happily there was some left. I took the opportunity to tell the check out girl it was the only protection available...let's see how that goes down...will there be any left to morrow.
The shopping centre is in a well to do suburb and I heard three different guys talking about shares and their statagy... full on..very worrying...it's not eaves dropping just listening to other folk talking on their phone...bit shares are down I have lost two planewave scopes I figure...but why worry the game is from what I hear is if you live you win. No toilet paper still. People are buying it because it's going to be worth more than share script.
Alec

My view...certain folk are promoting the fear to drive the markets down so they can buy cheap.
Where does the fear come from ..I say the media... who controls the media?.. their advertiser's is who...buy when there is blood in the streets..right let the blood flow.
How? Fear is how.
Alex

[SimmoW]

Dammit, I hear the Melbourne shops are running short of single origin roasted coffee beans! And almond milk is as rare as...

[casstony]

I wonder if I can trade a bottle of Plaquenil/chloroquine for a packet of toilet paper? The shelves are still empty in our supermarkets. One wonders how we survive with so many stupid people.

I'm tempted to line the back window of the car with toilet rolls and park it in the street, sit for a coffee and observe - maybe a toilet paper fox tail on the aerial too :).

[xelasnave]

Is there any truth to the rumour that the virus is being spread by toilet paper?
Xela

[pmrid]

Here's a couple of even scarier thoughts. Each one of those people fighting in the aisles of ALDI over a pack of toilet paper is entitled to breed without restraint and vote.

Makes me sleep even more soundly.

Peter

[casstony]

How do we get that message onto social media?

[JA]

Out of interest I found this on a Nature / Nature Biotechnology webpage....

"At least ten clinical trials are testing chloroquine, approved as an antimalarial and autoimmune disease drug. In vitro, the endosomal acidification fusion inhibitor blocked infection of a clinical isolate of SARS-CoV-2."

What was even more interesting was the report that various other antiviral drugs, interferon, etc were also being tested, but chloroquine was being tested in far more clinical trials than the other drugs- 10 trials.

Stay safe, wash your hands, etc...

Best
JA

[casstony]

Chloroquine is cheap and has less side effects than interferon, so it's a more attractive solution to investigate.

[xelasnave]

We just did:)
Alex

[glend]

It is everywhere crackpots gather, I have seen the same advice on the SpaceX Starship live stream chat line on Utube (Labpadre's chsnnel).

[gary]

The United States has just suspended all travel from Europe for 30 days.

Actor Tom Hanks ad his wife have just tweeted they have tested positive
whilst on the Gold Coast. Hanks was there to make a movie with Baz
Luhrmann.

All shops in Italy except those that sell food have been ordered to close.

[xelasnave]

This could be a good thing ..assuming they survive...the virus is a huge concern but the fear is way above that.
Gary please what is your view of our future...you are one of the few people who I look up to...so please.
Alex

[gary]

Hi Alex,

This story just appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald.



Take careful note of the numbers that she is projecting.

In all the wars that Australia has ever fought in, about 120,000 Australians,
mainly servicemen, have lost their lives. Based on the numbers that the
NSW Chief Medical Officer is quoting and extrapolating that to other states,
giving up on this has the potential to result in more deaths than all the war
causalities Australia has ever endured.

The story has NSW Chief Medical Officer Kerry Chant reassuring people that
the majority of people infected will have a mild illness. True enough and
statistics from overseas indicate that is about 80%. But yesterday in Italy
their death rate was over 6%.

Now the person estimating and warning that the number of infections
in NSW is not just another epidemiologist or doctor but the NSW Chief
Medical Officer. Like the Governor of the Reserve Bank, someone who,
when they make a statement has to choose their words very carefully.

So it can be interpreted to mean that the government is not about to take
hard decisive action, such as shut the borders and then go all out to
halt the limited outbreaks that have occurred thus far.

It seems to me we have a situation where the government doesn't want
to make the call and so are passing the buck to the federal medical
advisers. The medical advisers don't want to make the call in case they
are later accused of over-reacting.

Italy has got itself in the situation of being in total lockdown not because
of a run on toilet paper, not because of panic but because of lack
of vigilance and timely action. Now no one can travel out of the country
or within the country. Today they closed all shops except food outlets.
You just can't go out and enjoy yourself there. The place is totally crippled.
In cities such as Milan, the hospital and heath system is totally overloaded
beyond capacity. As one doctor reported there, it is much worse than a
bomb going off as it is continuous. And despite the social distancing
measures, on Monday alone, Italy recorded 168 deaths. It is spreading
within families.

So toilet paper, perception of people panicking and so on are the least
of our worries.

[xelasnave]

Thank you Gary for taking your time to inform me.
I am going bush soon so I hope that is some protection.
Yet it would seem that it can't really ever be eradicated ..I don't know much but a virus I don't really understand.
I do know ( think I know) that a virus can't be killed although hep C is now curable as I understand...
And does one get immunity if you survive? Do folk who survive just become carriers?
But why this obsession with toilet paper. I went shopping yesterday ...no toilet paper or paper towels but heaps of bulk type rice...maybe I can harvest the leaves off my trees to fill a gap in the he market..but why buy toilet paper and not rice.
And one day ..no eggs???
But what a time to buy shares? Or is it? Will they drop more?
Look at Commonwealth Bank shares...I would buy now if I had cash but the way it's going is the current price the bottom?
All those crazy preppers don't seem so crazy now.
Alex

[PeterM]

Yup, yet just 3 months into this new virus we are hearing "It's just the Flu" and "thousands die every year from the Flu". Yet the Flu has been around many hundreds or maybe thousand of years. The only similarity I can see is you get Flu like symptoms (maybe more cold like in some). So a never before seen and very contagious virus with a very high rate of hospitalisation, with many needing ventilators that just won't be available and will likely more than challenge our health system.... and you hear it's just the Flu... WT? If that's the attitude then good luck all.
The Lancet is a good read regarding "How will country-based mitigation measures influence the course of the COVID-19" I particularly took note of one observation "data are scarce" well, at least they recognise we are only 3 months into this.
So, who do you want on the ventilator, Mum, Dad, Nan or Pa, we MAY only have one available, that's if his Mum, Dad, Nan or Pa cark it.

And, this is not off thread as is it is titled "so, what the heck is next?" Next is here now.

[gary]

Hi Peter,

That's right.

And what is different is that for this novel virus we have unprecedented
levels of vigilance, testing, containment, quarantine measures, social
distancing and so on.

Imagine what things would be like if all these measures were not taking
place.

None of us have ever experienced anything like it.

It reminds me of the Y2K Bug. A lot pf people say, "Well, nothing
happened", but what they don't account for is the small army of people
who worked behind the scenes to make sure nothing happened.

The hospitals in some parts of Italy have already become overrun.

What is particularly sad to read this afternoon is the story out of Italy
where 200 more have died today and that the Italian College of
Anaesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care
are proposing that the coronavirus pandemic may mean patients over a
certain age could be banned from intensive care units and left to die to
give others a better chance of survival.



With the median age for people who contract the virus and then die
as being 65, that does not bode well for a large percentage of the
population. And that is the *median* age - the one in the middle - not
exactly old by modern western standards today.

With overrun hospitals, heaven forbid anyone there suffering a heart
attack, stroke, being in a car accident and so on and requiring intensive
care. In other words the types of things that happen to people every day
and which the survival rate might otherwise be pretty good.

Like being in a natural disaster or a casualty of war, a split second
decision might be made there on whether you or your loved one
meets the cut-off.

The Australian Pandemic plan has the Prime Minister in charge.
Decisive action today could avert Australia from going down the path
of the current Italian experience. Forget about people that are hoarding
toilet paper. It is obvious to me who needs to be given the wake-up call.
Australia could avert this and the first thing you would do is close the
borders, as many other countries have already done and concurrently
you would try to extinguish the limited number of clusters Australia
has here at the moment, as they are trying to do but with a moving target
of new arrivals from overseas.

The story about that tough moral decision Italy is about to make here :-
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italian-doctors-propose-intensive-care-age-limit-to-save-younger-patients-20200312-p5499t.html

[lazjen]

I think I agree with you Gary. It would be better to "go hard" at this now and delay as much as possible the near inevitable rise in numbers we're going to get. Limit the vectors of new infections and get it to a close to zero as possible. Every day we keep it reduced, the closer we get to a potential vaccine, etc.

Close the borders and when they're reopened, do it in small measures with enhanced screening for EVERYONE who comes in. Even if that means they get tested, have to quarantine until the test comes back negative (for all on the vessel arriving). Any time there's a positive, the whole group goes to 14 day quarantine lockdown.

Besides the health system having issues, we're going to see problems elsewhere too. I lost my job 10 days ago due to a massive layoff (12% of the company globally gone, approx 3000 - and it wasn't related to Covid-19). I am having some issues finding new work, with a number of positions being pulled from advertising due to Covid-19. Thankfully I was prepared for such a situation (losing a job) after similar events in the past, so I can ride it out for a while, but not everyone is going to be as lucky. I'm not sure what's needed to deal with it - not sure if the current stimulus ideas will work effectively for it.

[strongmanmike]

Your usual spot on insightful analysis, Thank you. I wish you were our PM. Unfortunately (and I know you are careful enough not to add it but I will) Morrison has little to no chance of handling this well....

Mike

[DarkArts]

I wonder this every day.

[Slawomir]

Due to secrecy and slow government reaction to Chernobyl disaster at the time, together with tens of millions of people from Eastern Europe, I have an elevated risk of getting thyroid cancer, leukaemia, cataracts, cardiovascular disease - you name it. I hope Australian government will act wisely, quickly and effectively.

[LewisM]

Gary, firstly total war deaths to date for Australia is 102,888. Whilst comparing these statistics is symbolic, it is nothing more than that. It is literally chalk and cheese, with the only common denominator being statistical death.

Let’s consider how to combat this pandemic rather than equating it unnecessarily and rather erroneously to combatant death - it’s rather like the “20 football fields” layman’s visualization.

We need to close borders, and isolate those infected. I spoke with 2 people fresh back from Japan today and they said nothing was done at either end except ask if they had been to China or Korea and felt ok. Yes, that’ll fix it...

[DarkArts]

Yeah, I agree. I had this discussion (a minor rant, I suppose) today. People thought I was overreacting, but I told them I can do the maths - it's not hard - and the maths is very sobering.

[I wrote a long-winded piece here but, in the end, it didn't say anything new.]

[PeterM]

No overreaction and sobering indeed when you have a 32 year old son with CP complications who would likely not beat the challenges this virus may bring. Worries the sheet out of me.
Morrison needs to close our borders now. Close all public events and show he can lead the nation and make the really big tough decisions.

[xelasnave]

Peter I feel so much I can't express. How I wish I could help. All I can suggest is to imagine the future as you want it to be and not let a negative thought cross your mind.
I don't know how it works but it works for me.
I sometimes think the universe follows what I imagine such are the results I get from eliminating all negative thoughts.
See the future you want and never for even a moment let the future you don't want enter.
I have had an unbelievable life and I put it down to seeing a future I want. Not for a moment do I see a bad result.
I don't know why it works but it does.
Even the simplest of thing..a game of pool..please just try thinking of what future you want and not for one moment think about what may go wrong.
I know the crazy guy is ranting again but just do it.
Alex

[JeniSkunk]

That lot, as well as the legally enforcable right for shops and check out operators to No Sale panic buyers, and a definite start date for a 3 week quarantine lockdown of the entire country.
100 years ago, it was that strict a lockdown that helped tame the impact of the influenza pandemic.
The nation needs that comprehensive a lockdown now.

[gary]

Melbourne F1 to be spectator-less. Decision to hold race in hands of FIA

[gary]

The whole three days of activity for the F1 have been cancelled.

Drivers already flying home.

It begs the question why the Berejiklian government drags its heals over the call to cancel the Royal Easter Show.
Every day, businesses and individuals who are part of that event will be investing more of their money in preparation.

For example, consider the amount of food that would have been prepared last night for sale at Albert Park today.
Better to know earlier.

[chances]

War is next, them Famine.
Things about to get biblical :)

https://money.cnn.com/data/fear-and-greed/

[alan meehan]

no Biblical is cancelled too ,my wifes church was to have a convention next Saturday but that's been cancelled too

[Buck]

It's the Andromeda Strain I tells ya, ..... the Andromeda Strain ...

Buck

[Nikolas]

Peter Dutton now has it

[Rainmaker]

This is the first year for a while that my son and I decided not to book our regular seats......... feel sorry for all those who got there only to be sent home... :sadeyes: a hundred thousand hamburgers are going uneaten

Unusually we also had no overseas trips planned this year.......

Must be psychiatric.....:shrug:

[Bobbyoutback]

Have a good read of this article as it may save you financially in the near future ;)
It needs to be fully read .

https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-journey-to-monetary-gold-and-silver?gmrefcode=gata

Cheers & Beers
Bobby .

[xelasnave]

I think the problem may be very different to what folk expect economy wise.
Assuming some sort of rational thought starts to filter through... the world will have to work with the problem...that may mean everyone wearing closed face helmets when outside their home, or running F1 with only camera men (with helmets) in the stands, schools teaching to kids in their home...but finally life will go on when we accept the problem and work with it...and when folk buckle down and tourists fly around the world again in their virus free suit and helmet a strange thing may happen...things start moving again and then all the backed up demand will errupt...that car that was to be purchased months ago, that boat or trip or the clothes you stopped buying...all that banked up demand will break out sending inflation thru the roof.

How do you guard against inflation..well stock up on simple items like toilet paper, rice, baked beans and borrow big time and buy shares in mining companies and banks, use the stored food to survive the climbing interest rate on your mortgage which will hit 8% or more.
But when the comet hits we will all die except those with a shipping container 30 feet under ground.
Alex

[strongmanmike]

Good!!