Hungry Jacks Rebel Whopper NO Beef

[PeterM]

Had my first plant based (the advertising says that) HJ Rebel Whopper (Vegan?) while listening to some horse race in the car... well that's all they had on ABC radio at 2pm (Qld real time).

A Whopper being the fall back "meal" when in a hurry to get to our Leyburn observing site.

Well I was surprised. It tastes really good and more surprisingly I don't have that overly full gut feeling I get from meat whoppers.
Ok, you can tell it ain't meat, its no big deal as it looks like and tastes like a good bbq burger ought to. But it doesn't taste anything like the awful vege pattie burgers HJ had recently.

Will this change my eating habits when it comes to burgers, will I become a vegan... err nope, well not right now.
Will I buy another, you bet I will. I actually thoroughly enjoyed it. Now Maccas what are you lot up to?

Anyone else have any thoughts or tried them?

[multiweb]

That's interesting. What's in the burger then? :question:

[PeterM]

Here ya go..
CSIRO Science at work it seems.
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2019/10/taste-test-hungry-jacks-plant-based-whopper-burger/

[JohnF]

As a vegetarian, I am interested in trying this.

[sharpiel]

They're very yummy. I've had lots.

[JA]

There is also a, I think it's called, Zero burger/pattie at Grilled which is excellent

Best
JA

[bobson]

You should watch documentary program "The Game Changers" on Netflix.
I am not vegetarian but some things they showed there simply can not be ignored.

Cheers
Bob

[JA]

Thanks Bob - I'll give it a viewing. The trailer was enticing:thumbsup:

Best
JA

[Nikolas]

High in salt and higher in calories as well, soy is not overly healthy

[wavelandscott]

Had a couple of opportunities to try the Impossible Burger/Beyond Meat offerings.

As a lifelong meat eater I can confirm that they are not meat...however, depending on the application, I do consider them a reasonable substitute.

Eaten “naked” it is just an okay patty of something that was edible but did not give me the same joy as a plain meat patty. However when used as a meatball in a tomato sauce I found it a worthy substitute.

So my take is, if you are going to slather it with sauce and other condiments you will likely be pleasantly surprised at how good a substitute it could be. But for me it will not be a replacement choice when beef is what I want.

As to it’s overall health and or environmental benefits I will remain silent.

[CeratodusDuck]

It's Soylent - literally ;) Maybe not made of humans, but for humans.

Soy has some VERY detrimental long term repercussions for men in particular, but at most of our ages, phyto-oestrogens aren't a major problem For young men though, yes they are, and research is showing a stark feminisation of Asian men over the decades. It's not pseudo-science, it's a genuine problem (lower birth rates etc).

[N1]

I've heard similar stories about beer, and if true, then soy consumption, no matter what amount, would have to be the last thing for young men to worry about :P

[that_guy]

If you're going to make this sort of claim please back it up with research. Like any food consumption too much of anything is bad for you. The "study" that's the basis of this claim is from a study of one male subject and experiments done on male lab rats, both which proved inconclusive results.

As an Asian man who grew up eating Tofu, soymilk, soy noodles, soy bean pastes, soy sauce and numerous soy products, I haven't even heard of this claim until recently. Soy is a vital staple of our diet in south east asia due to the lack of farm land for growing other protein sources for thousands of years. Not to mention the whole "feminisation" of masculine men is an outdated concept of judging modern men.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/soya-male-body-health-side-effects-truth-milk-sexual-function-a8382976.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

[el_draco]

Ah yes, replacing one food like substance that causes tremendous damage to both the individual and the environment...
with a food like substance that probably doesn't...
Get used to it. Meat "production" is going to end far sooner than you can imagine...
and not soon enough! :rolleyes:

[sharkbite]

I might be a bit fussy....

I tried one and it was foul.....

Texture like mashed beans and taste like that 'orrible ersatz smoky bacon flavour they
Put in woolies chicken.

Blech....

I might ask for an "angry" one so the chilli hides the crap taste.

For the price though I 'spose it ain't worth complaining

[doppler]

Tried some supermarket "pretend" chicken kievs tonight, they still need a lot of work , not enjoyable at all. Amazed at the amount of ingredients they have used to try and get some flavor happening though.

Rick

[Tandum]

I'm in India just now. Macas biggest seller is the chick pea big mac. I tried the chicken big mac instead. Spicy spicy with jalapenos on top. It'd be a hit at home. Burger king opened here some time ago with normal burgers and the military was called in to calm the riots. Talk about insensitive. I saw on the news they are trying again with this vegy burger. There are as many indians in india as chinese in china. Huge market and they all want a slice.

[sil]

Tried the rebel the other day. No big deal, tastes like a whopper which all taste the same as its the sauces anyway.

[Oddity]

Whilst not vegan or vegetarian I’ve tried a number of Vegan substitutes with friends and colleagues and to be frank I’d rather beautifully cooked, well seasoned fresh vegetables with lovely vegetable-based sauces & stocks.

Had a vegan cashew brie at a work do last night and the texture made me gag. Also went with friends to a vegan chinese restaurant and the Soy-substitute mock meat texture has tasted like fried sponge to me.

Give me beautiful vegetables any day.

[OICURMT]

It apparently isn't just a CSIRO invention... though they have their own version of it.

Burger King (a.k.a. Hungry Jack's in Australia) have it also... and have been test marketing it for more than a year.

However, there are concerns from Vegans: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/vegetarians-torn-over-trying-burger-kings-impossible-whopper.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/vegetarians-torn-over-trying-burger-kings-impossible-whopper.html)


Two companies that have meatless meat

https://impossiblefoods.com/ (who make the Impossible Whopper) (https://impossiblefoods.com/)
This company has been around since 2011 (privately held). We have two local restaurants that have been serving Impossible meatless burgers for more than two years. The makeup of the meat is patented.

https://www.beyondmeat.com/
(https://www.beyondmeat.com/)This company is public and trades on the NASDAQ https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=BYND

I've had both of their offerings and I can tell you that they taste like meat, but the texture is still not there...

I suspect that Burger King / Hungry Jacks licensed meats from their respective countries. When I get a chance to get back to Australia, I'll have to do a comparison.... :D

[Peter Ward]

What I want to know is........... how do the "Vegan" taste-testers in the advert who "don't eat meat" know whether it tastes like real beef of not?

[morls]

It's a fantastic development if the big manufacturers are moving away from meat. The planet cannot sustain the level of meat consumption we have now, let alone into the future. Things have to change and I'm really happy to see this happening.

[Starlite]

I go on a vegan diet quite often.

Beer and Hungry Jacks Frenchfries with gravy.

Can't get more vegan than that !!!!

[sharpiel]

Peter, perhaps they've become vegan... Not born one?

[mynameiscd]

I still cant work out why they have to make vegetarian food taste like meat.
Its like getting a piece of steak to taste like broccoli.
Whats wrong with a veggie burger tasting like a veggie burger or a falafel roll?
Anyway Ill eat both meat and veggie meals so it doesn't really mater to me but they should stop doing bad versions of meat copies.
Cheers
Andy

[OICURMT]

Yep... my oldest son was raised on real meat (all kinds including game).
He married a Vegetarian at which point he switched. Then, four years ago they became Vegan.

[OICURMT]

If your gravy has milk, then it's not Vegan.

[sharpiel]

Beat me to it.

Not wanting to spark debate or outcry pushing my own views I did watch a very informative documentary last night about the advantages and disadvantages of both meat and plant based diets across biological effects in people and planet wide effects in general. Titled “The Game Changers”.

I would highly recommend watching it.

[glend]

There was an online news story today about a Class Action lawsuit filed in the USA on behalf of Vegans, claiming that Burger King has cross-contaminated the vegan burger by cooking it on the same grill as meat patties. Apparently, you can get them cooked separately if you ask but it is not widely known.
:P


https://amp.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/impossible-burger-vegans-sue-burger-king-over-contaminated-burger/news-story/ec8d7d7d04478e49377bfd6e8b4879d1

[dikman]

If he was a true vegan why would he be supporting a company that uses meat products by buying something there? Plus I would have thought the smell of meat cooking would make him ill.


Of course, if I was a cynic I would suggest that he saw a way of extorting some money from them. But that wouldn't happen, would it?

[PeterM]

Maybe it was done by missed steak?

[dikman]

Groan.......

[sharpiel]

Hardly the way to convert people to veganism... By being complete twats. Couldn't just compromise and be happy with small steps...

[dikman]

These people don't do "small steps", it's their way or else.

[sharpiel]

Lol. “These people”?

[Nikolas]

yep those people.

How do you know if there is a vegan in a room?
They'll tell you!
(it's a joke dont get your knickers in a twist)

[Nikolas]

Interesting article about the "game Changers"


https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a29067926/the-game-changers-movie-fact-check/

[sharpiel]

Interesting preamble. I will read our thoroughly tonight after choirs etc

[JA]

Knock yourselves out :D ....

Best
JA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

[Nikolas]

and a counter to that video aboe which is promoted by a Vegan with an agenda promoting a website funded by vegan interests

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/
By all means those who are vegans go and live your vegan lifestyle but please stop the proselytising it will not "convert" people
Personally I eat less meat not because I'm adopting a vegan lifestyle or vegetarian lifestyle, but as I get older a balance or ALL nutrients is the way to go, not one way or the other, why can't we all just get along and not try to convert each other? this is no different to religious arguments.

[JA]

Hello N,

Are you referring to me, when you say to "stop the proselytising" ?

Best
JA

[Nikolas]

No not at all, I'm referring to the vegans who proselytise. The ones who will not listen or tolerate non vegans.
None of what I said was directed to anyone in the forums
Cheers.

[JA]

Good to know. Thanks Nik.

Best
JA

[Mr.tristan]

So what exactly had this got to do with astronomy?

[PCH]

For someone with hardly any posts, why would you choose to criticise another’s post/thread. It’s in general chat and non-astronomy posts are allowed.

[sharpiel]

Perfect

[PeterM]

Hehe, well yes, it is general chat, but no big deal in asking the question. Some 1300 reads and nearly 50 replies I was waiting for that question to pop up. For me they are the grab n go meal on the 3 hour trip out to our observing site at Leyburn. Where upon arrival I have the energy to roll the observatory roof off and turn the scope on then settle in until 3am...but other than that Hamburgers have nothing to do with Astronomy, or do they?..........

https://www.perthobservatory.com.au/news/backyard-discovery-of-supernova-in-the-hamburger

https://www.space.com/36525-first-space-hamburger.html

https://www.nasa.gov/content/space-cheeseburger

https://www.eater.com/2015/10/9/9487457/space-burger-king-russia-international-space-station-cheeseburgers

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2002/release_2002_155.html

[Nikolas]

Best post yet! :lol:

[Nikolas]

I noticed a lot of one line posts that add nothing to any thread by you just today, seems to me like someone upping their post count

[rustigsmed]

haha classic post.

I did see some fake meat in the supermarket freezer this week - first time.

but realistically i think the future burger and chicken fast food scene will be grown in labs not in fields.

[Bart]

Bring on the Star Trek replicator, that is what I'm waiting for. :D:thumbsup: