787 Dreamliner NY TO SYD

[FlashDrive]

The Non Stop Flight 787 DreamLiner from New York to Sydney happened last night ... ( you all probably know this from News Reports ) ... so I watched it for a while on my Tablet .

555Mph ( 483kts ) at 40,000ft .... tracking over the ocean in amoungst other flights at varying altitudes.

Here are some ' pic's ' ...!!..... ( took a little over 19hrs ...must have had a good tail wind ....they expected it to be 20hrs and 10mins )


Look at all that ' Air Traffic ' :eyepop: over the USA .... You go first... no,no,no...you go first ...no....your first....OK...just don't run into me ....!!:lol:


Col...

[Merlin66]

Sounds good, but I see they will have four different seat classes.....
Maybe cattle 1,2 and 3 then the special class up front.
I hope they expand and improve the toilet facilities!!!!

[Peter Ward]

I feel sorry for the crew.

I found DFW-SYD sectors to be very fatiguing....as for JFK-SYD, as they said in the Castle: "tell 'em their dreamin'"

The B787 crew rest area is not optimal plus being at FL390 and above for many hours does increase their exposure to ionizing radiation....I have no doubt there will be health consequences as a result.

[FlashDrive]

Alan Joyce probably got his ' jolly's ' off on this one.

You know your right there Peter ....health issues coming.

Col...

[Peter Ward]

Sadly, I think those issues are here already.

Confronting discussions about my own radio-oncology treatment revealed for female crew (majority being flight attendants) there was a over-representation in their numbers for breast cancer after 5 years on the job.

We know gamma ray busts go off 2-3 times a day. Not an issue at sea level....but at FL410? As an aside, Concorde which cruised well above the Hoi Polli at FL600+, had a VSI like gauge which was a actually a radiation meter. You had to descend when it went off to avoid being fried.

[Exfso]

I hope the space station has decent protection:eyepop:

[SimmoW]

Peter is right, my usa buddy was also a pilot, had many cancer battles himself, and lost many pilot friends to it, far too many compared to the general community.

But the chance to avoid the LAX stopover and navigating that giant toilet? I would risk my lifespan to avoid that!!!

I heard Joyce reckons he was pretty refreshed. Hmmm, was he in cattle class???

[LewisM]

My mother was an Ansett Hostie for 20 years. Currently diagnosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer that has metastasised to her lungs.

My father - retired for 9 years - has nil cancer (despite being a 3 pack a day smoker for 40 years), but has suffered typical Airline Pilot post-career heart attacks (6 in total), and is fitted with a pacemaker.

I was only flying for a little over 10 years and suffered BP issues myself.

It's a fantastic job, but it taxes your body.

[truss]

How much would enough shielding add to the takeoff weight of the plane?

[AndyG]

I like the 787 for the CNS-KIX trip a lot. Thankfully Jetstar have switched over from the A-330(?) on that leg. The cabin moisture and pressure of the 787 is a vast improvement.

Usually I'd say such things are a placebo effect. Upon arrival to my inlaws house, I'd get the usual headaches and vomit session - much to their amusement. Since the 787, no such trouble. I had to read up on it to discover why.

[Peter Ward]

Probably not the humidity level...more likely the lower cabin altitude (A380 and A350 are similar) allowing you to arrive feeling a little healthier....Oxygen deprivation is a bugger ;)

BTW I get the impression the ultra long haul notion is being driven by Joyce.
I am not a fanboy. Seems other's are not either (https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/is-alan-joyce-worth-24-million-a-year-his-record-suggests-not-20191016-p5319d.html)

[LewisM]

When has that Irish pratt ever done anything in the best interests of anyone in QANTAS but the stakeholders.

[Peter Ward]

Early in my career QF, rather than code share, flew to these European airports: LHR, MAN, AMS, CDG, FCO, FRA, ATH.

The CEO then (I think it was Menadue) was paid about $350k...or about 68x less than the current CEO.

Under the current management, ports in Europe: LHR.
Qantas CEO pay $A24 million....

American Airlines CEO Doug Parker drew $US19 million (with share options) or say $A27 million this year...but AA has a fleet of 940 aircraft compared to the 136 QF operate.

[PCH]

Wow Peter,

That’s a damning report if ever I read one. Those of us not in the industry would never come across that stuff normally. Thanks for posting 👍

[Peter Ward]

Actually it's all in the public domain....just collated a tad here.

[pgc hunter]

Saw this on the news. A whole 40 people were onboard. Loved it how the CEO and the others were bleating on about how "refreshed" they felt after stepping off the aircraft. Yeah whoopee, now try it in a full economy class, especially on a 787 economy class.... :rolleyes:

The 787 btw has one of the narrowest economy seats in the sky. Boeing originally designed the aircraft to be a comfortable 8-abreast (hence the "Dreamliner" moniker), but they made just a very tiny bit too wide, just enough for the greedy airlines to squeeze 9-abreast across with 17" seats, similar to a 10-abreast 777 (itself originally 9-abreast). By comparison the A350 has a wider cabin with the same 9-abreast, with 18 inch wide seats. I've just been on an A350 ADL-DOH and back, and was quite nice. Decent seats and very good leg room with wider aisles. It was certainly way better than the torture that was a 10-abreast 777 from MEL-AUH and back. 17 vs 18" may not sound like much, but trust me, in reality it is a completely different experience.

[FlashDrive]

QF789 ...touch down at SYD.... Original Photo ... click ' link ' to enlarge.


https://www.aviationbusinessme.com/sites/default/files/aviation/images/2019/10/20/DG1_6447.JPG

[Startrek]

I would have thought by now in 2019 the Aero Space industry would have engineered and designed the fuselage and cabin with materials and systems to mitigate the risk of exposure to radiation beyond safe levels to crew and passengers on long haul flights
I welcome any advice or comments on the above

[Peter Ward]

There is negligible risk for passengers, as they are unlikely to receive more radiation than say a dental x-ray.

As for the crew...not so easy...well.... inexpensive as your fuel burn goes up with payload. Actually I am a little surprised the likes of Slater and Gordon have not already launched a class action for crew.

[gary]

Hi Peter,

It would be interesting to know if studies have been able to reveal
any significant differences between the incidence of cardiovascular
disease between cockpit crew and cabin crew?

My thinking being that pilots, like far too many of us stay-on-the-ground
office workers, spend far too much time seated than our GP's would
recommend and that by contrast cabin workers spend significantly
longer times on their feet.

I would also imagine eating at hotels during layovers would require
considerable discipline. Most of who go on just a short business trip and
spend only a few days in a hotel usually come back having put on an extra
kilo. It takes great will power to avoid going back for that second helping
of bacon and eggs at the breakfast buffet or just sticking to the
continental breakfast in the first place.

So if the radiation doesn't get a pilot first, clogged arteries possibly will.

But the views from your office window must have been at times to die for.

[Peter Ward]

Rather than dwell on healthy lifestyle choices, my top three "office window" views would be

1) Being under the Moon's shadow over Antarctica
2) The Leonid Shower of 2001 (3000 per hour)
3) Blue Plasma Jets from the top of a very active thunderstorm going into space.

Sorry...no UFO's :D

[FlashDrive]

The views are very nice thank you ....! :whistle:

[multiweb]

Wow, it never occured to me that jet liners were affected by radiation. :eyepop:

[billdan]

The cosmic rays follow the Earths magnetic field so high latitudes are more affected.
Flight paths that go over the poles gives you more exposure, i.e. Sydney to Sth America will fly over the Sth Pole, and London to Japan would fly over the Nth Pole.

For the casual traveller as Peter said the exposure is no more than a Chest X-Ray, for cabin crew doing it daily it can be an issue.

One other danger from radiation exposure is Radon gas that is found in underground carparks and basements, depending on the type of rocks below the surface, granite being the most affected.

[Peter Ward]

How about that! I never knew Helmut Newton was interested in aeroplanes....:D

[billdan]

I had to Google his name to see who he was.

[Allan]

I wish the rest of the population could see through all his bull**** as well as you Lewis.

[Camelopardalis]

Isn’t he just executing the capitalist ideology that we all aspire to? ;)

The public interest doesn’t get a look-in.