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monoxide
11-02-2007, 08:08 PM
after looking around there are a *lot* of ways that people have for really making that azimuth motion on a dob base smoother so i thought id share how i got mine nice and smooth regardless of the temperature.

Azimuth motion fix.
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what you need.

1) a few milk bottle washers
2) a tin of 'Gilly Stephenson's Carnauba Polish' (from mitre10)
3) all the neccessary tools to pull your base assembly apart.
4) clean rags/polishing pad/buffer etc...

it doesnt take a lot to work out what your going to be doing from here but ill go through it anyway :)

if you dont know what milk bottle washers are or what to do with them, there is a guide in the 'Projects & Articles' section that you need to check out

anyway you will need to pull the base apart so you can polish the top section where the pads slide, i pulled my base completely apart to make it easier to manage.

once your all set, get into the polishing.. this stuff is absolutely magic, and the finish you get is a HARD coating so it is not acting as a lubricant and wont scratch off easily, it is just filling in all of the rough parts in the laminate, making it silky smooth for the teflon pads to slide on.

be fussy when your doing it, the more time spent polishing the more adjustment you will have later via how tight you do the bolt up.

once youve polished the base up (this part is probably optional) you can add a bevel to the edges of the teflon pads so they glide over rather than grab and scratch into your new waxed surface. (i used a razor blade)

once you put it all back together prepare to be amazed at how smooth it glides, i remember before doing this i could turn the bolt holding the base together, now its tight enough that you cant turn it by hand, holding everything very securely while still allowing silky smooth motion.

you may have to have a few goes with the wax, once you assemble the base have a bit of a play around and you might find some sticky spots, mark where they are and you know where you missed or didnt polish enough :)

to recap.
add the right amount of washers so the base does not wobble at all when assembled. (i only needed to add 1 above the existing teflon centre bearing)
make sure that the motion is free enough that you can tighten up the bolt enough that the base is solid ie. you dont want the bolt loose especially if your interested in the push-to 'mod', plus if your trying to track something and there is slop in the base the scope will move all over the place.

after the polish i just couldnt believe the difference especially observing at higher alt where the problems with az motions really become obvious, my az motion is now as free as my alt movement, almost tracking rather than bumping/nudging. it also does not grab anymore.

anyway i hope someone has a go and reports back!

heres a picture of the wax you will be after:
[img=http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7238/spa0050cc4.th.jpg] (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spa0050cc4.jpg)

monoxide
11-02-2007, 08:08 PM
a simple push-to mod
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what you need:
1) a printable 360 degree protractor ( http://home.mindspring.com/~purlawson/files/DegreeWheel.doc (http://home.mindspring.com/%7Epurlawson/files/DegreeWheel.doc) ) i will find the one that i used and replace the link.
2) some sticky tape
3) a cable tie
4) a highlighter
5) setcirc software
6) a spirit level

(all images are below)

this is a more 'ghetto' setup and really only takes 5 minutes and as far as i know will work on any dob (azimuth anyway) regardless of who its made by.

first thing you need to do is invert the image of the protractor (it needs to be inverted to work.)
once inverted print it out big enough that you can read it easily.
all you need to do now is mark the centre of the protractor (important that it is accurate) and cut a hole in the centre so it will sit over the centre bolt of your dobs base.
once you have it centred over the bolt it doesnt matter whats pointing where, just stick it down.
the cable tie is your pointer and will tell you where you are in azimuth, tighen it around the centre bolt and then cut it to the length required. the highlighter just makes it a lot easier to see where the pointer is, it may be even easier to get a packet of bright coloured ties.

once you have the protractor stuck down and the pointer on, your all set! thats the azimuth motion done.

now for altitude.
it should be pretty simple to work out how to print out a label for altitude since the program pretty much explains itself so ill just tell you how i 'stuck mine on'
this is where the spirit level comes in, i stuck mine on the opposite side bearing to where im sitting so i can see it easier from an observing position.
lay the scope horizontal and put the spirit level across the top, once its level, thats 0 degrees (suprise?) so you need to put a mark of some kind there.
if you dont have a spirit level then it doesnt matter, you will be able to work out where to mark anyway.

the thing i love about this push to setup is that you can just plonk the scope down, aim it at whatever you like, use your favourite software to tell you what the azimuth is and slide the cable tie to x degrees. it takes all of 5 seconds to check the accuracy, just move to something else then check it against the software.

my push-to is accurate enough to put whatever i like into the centre of the eyepiece at 48x (wow?)

anyway this is a really simple mod that you would already have everything necessary to do, im sure someone can help me out to list a few freeware apps that you could use with this setup.

also it is important that when you turn your dob in azimuth that the centre bolt does *not* move, otherwise it will not work.
if your az movement is too stiff to tighten the bolt up, see the post above.

[img=http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6820/spa0049ga4.th.jpg] (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spa0049ga4.jpg)
[img=http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3184/spa0048tx5.th.jpg] (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spa0048tx5.jpg)
[img=http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5239/spa0045wu1.th.jpg] (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spa0045wu1.jpg)

sorry for the blurry pics!

hope these 'mods' help someone out

Tj

iceman
12-02-2007, 06:22 AM
Excellent work TJ! Great mods.

I think they'd be a great addition to the Projects page, if you want to write them up and send me the doc + pics as an email? You might need to take another picture for the 2nd one above though :)

Excellent work!