Read the terms of service

[h0ughy]

I am asking everyone to go and read the terms of service to refresh your joining commitment you all did.
Edit included link http://www.iceinspace.com.au/tos.html


FROM NOW ON ANY SPAT, DELIBERATE BAITING POSTS OR BULLYING WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE BANNING.

[Ausrock]

Houghy,

I don't read every sub forum and your post has me curious, have there been instances that have prompted this thread, as I find it almost hard to believe that the kind of behaviour you refer to would occur here.

:confuse2:

[h0ughy]

Chris,
Yes it did and does with monotonous regularity. There are some forum members that think they are not going to be banned and keep pushing past the boundaries. As moderators we try to keep an Even keel . Well we have a life as well and can't waste time with looking after the kindergarten kids who have had too much red drink ;)

[multiweb]

I just knew Rick was up to no good... :rolleyes:
So... cheese and crackers alright? :question:

[RickS]

Is that intended to be an example of a "DELIBERATE BAITING POST," Marc? :lol:

I had some cheese and crackers at the work Xmas party tonight but I have to say the company was not up to Astrofest standards :)

[h0ughy]

I refer to the initial post, read it carefully again and take note

[JeniSkunk]

Suggestion: what about including a link to the IIS ToS in your post?

[leon]

Deliberate baiting and bullying i do agree with David, but having a Spat, or in other words a disagreement of sorts is surely not a banning sentence. :shrug:

Leon :thumbsup:

[glend]

It is not hard to find:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/tos.html

[glend]

It is pretty easy "for the usual suspects" to disguise their attacks using apparently joking banter, and this passive aggressive behaviour is ignored mostly - unless aimed at you. Some people see IIS in the same way as their social media universe of Facebook and Instagram, etc; the difference being in IIS many of us have not signed up to follow the antics of the few.

Some time in the wilderness of banishment may be worth trying but I suspect some never learn.

[The Mekon]

The trouble is "bullying" has become a pretty broad term these days, and therefore meaningless. Some are too ready to take offence and use the term without any justification. On a recent thread a long term member thought it was bullying when the comparison photos he posted were questioned as not really being a valid test of the equipment! I dropped out of this thread when the O.P. failed to deliver on any of the objects he outlined in the first post, and then posted about being bullied.

[leon]

Glen, I don't know much about social media stuff :shrug: other than this forum, never used it, and wouldn't even know how, you should see my dinosaur of a phone :lol:

Leon :thumbsup:

[JeniSkunk]

Indeed, Glen.
The reason for my making the suggestion was quite simple.
David requiring users to re-familiarize ourselves with the ToS due to its regular breaches increasing the workload for the Moderators, and then not providing a link to the document we users are required to read, made me feel his post was incomplete.

[h0ughy]

Well it's all fixed up now, I also did think that they could have looked it up and found it. After all I was a tad busy at the time and on my phone. Happy New Year :thumbsup:

[Boozlefoot]

Having self banned myself from the site for quite a period (only having a peek today after some considerable time), we now have classic indication of the "why's and wherefores" of said self ban. Self reflection is possibly of benefit for many utilising this site. Once more into the wilderness I pass........

[drylander]

I'll see your old phone and raise it 1 dinosaur :rofl:
Pete

[JeniSkunk]

Thanks David.
:)
In my own case, I did take the time to find the ToS, and read it before posting in this thread.

[Boozlefoot]

Well, At the risk of being banned :question: please let me reiterate my previous, and advise both sides of the equation here. A difference of opinion does not necessarily immediately need be classified as bullying. And yes, bullying is being touted in areas it necessarily doesn't belong. I do, however, appreciate the moderators position and value their work.

ALAS, phrases such as "kindergarten kids, and too much red drink" reflect a moderators personal opinion rather than that of the terms and conditions as previously outlined and referred to by one of our moderators.

If the moderator wishes to be involved in a spat as to the describing of the notification of the availability of the terms and conditions to the general membership who simply enquired as to the means of seeking availability of those terms, then I would strongly advise that the moderator is in contravention of those very terms.

Note to moderator involved - Please be careful, it's not necessarily what you are saying, but to me it very strongly becomes a case of how you are saying it.

And now, having said my say, trying very carefully not to express any opinion in contravention of the terms and conditions,bully any person in particular, or create a spat, I bid you all a fair adieu and wish you all a progressive and cheerful 2019, before being BANNED!:shrug:

[Boozlefoot]

I cannot for the life of me see where it says in the Guidelines referred to as a ban being IMMEDIATE. (And theres no need to shout, I may be old but I'm not deaf!)

[leon]

I agree Boozelefoot, it came across a bit over the top, moderator or not.

Some of us have been here at the start of IIS, but be careful what you say.

I say what i believe in open forum and not hide behind PM's I have done it before and got burned many times, because some here are to weak to say what they believe, in case of exactly this

David you are wrong, and and i think you need to back off a bit.

What you said was, "well guys if you don't listen to me your gone":mad2:

Move on mate:)

Leon :thumbsup:

[JeniSkunk]

I can, in the section you refer to, Boozlefoot.
The exact wording, of the first sentence, gives the leeway for Moderators to apply such immediate banning.



That said, thinking about this change, I am of the opinion that:
1. If there are now breaches of the ToS which will warrant an immediate banning, then the ToS really needs to be updated to clearly include these.
2. All users should be required to read the updated ToS.
3. If the user agrees to the updated ToS then to click on an 'I Agree' button.

[LewisM]

It's absurd when any disagreement, any actual opinionated discussion, any jocularity or light-hearted discussion becomes perceived "bullying" or vilification. It seems these days in our vastly over-controlled society that many need the protection of a set of rules, guidelines and an authoritative "moderator" to guide social interactions else be offended. What a sad reflection of society.

Its called LIFE, warts and all.

[xelasnave]

Now come on folks give David the support he deserves.

You could ask yourselves what has caused David to make such a post ... I would think that he has probably been subjected to complaints via PM and been drawn closer to the action than he would care to be...I dont know..we dont know...but he does a fine job as moderator and we should support him particularly as something must have motivated his post.
David is a gentleman so something must have really stirred him up.

I see it as a cry for help and only wish whoever has been leaning on him would get over whatever their perceived problem may have been.

My system is first not to overstep the mark but if I get pulled up not to argue that someone is denying my free speech. ..I always try and see how it must be for our Moderators and try to understand how difficult things could be for them...

A nice start would be for some of you to appologise to David and show him support and understanding.

I only hope that I am not the one causing problems.

Alex

[RyanJones]

Couldn't agree more Lewis. The more controlled and regulated society becomes the less responsible people become for their own actions and furthermore the less socially adapted people become. Minor perceived offences are dealt with with the same cast as more serious offences and as such people loose the ability to respectfully speak their mind and have heated but healthy debates. There are people on this site as a true representation of a cross section of the public that to be quite honest, I don't like. I feel their commentary is unnessaseray negative and counter productive. Sometimes I engage with them, sometimes I do not. The choice is entirely mine and I always have that choice. As in real life. I take entire responsibility for that choice. Last thing I would do is report someone for bullying me in an arguement I chose to be involved in.

Just my 5c