The Great Pyramid

[xelasnave]

I have been looking at various youtube vids on pyramids...from mainstream to nutter interpretations.

But they must have been a busy lot...with 2.5 million blocks in the great pyramid and a supposed construction period of 20 years that means they quarried, transported and placed blocks at a rate of 13 an hour each and every hour of every day in that 20 years...
Even with a 24 hour a day work force it is hard to imagine how they built it... even if we give them 40 years working 24/7 they would need to lay 6 or 7 an hour...pity we could not get those workers building our roads☺
If they only worked in day light the numbers require near double the block laying rate suggested...
Even with a large work force one wonders how they could all fit on the work site...
Imagine building such today...quarrying 13 blocks an hour, transporting them and setting them in place.
Alex

[multiweb]

I reckon no OH&S + tens of thousands of slaves might have done it until that moses bloke started a union. ;)

[xelasnave]

I think they would need Moses mate to get it done☺
Alex

[xelasnave]

One block every five minutes ...thats faster than a lot of brick layers today☺
I can understand how they cut limestone with bronze tools but I wonder how bronze went with the granite...
Alex

[Astrophe]

The Great Pyramid was definitely NOT built as a tomb and Alex's musings on the virtual impossibility of building that giant structure in a mere 20 years (with the resources available at that remote period), have highlighted the real conundrum surrounding the origins of that amazing construction.



It is clearly not a tomb, as we all know that the Ancient Egyptians built their tombs underground and the so-called 'King's Chamber' in the Great Pyramid is about 80 meters above ground level.....not something any self-respecting Egyptian would (or could) contemplate. Also, there is a total lack of inscriptions and images inside the Great Pyramid. As we all know, the Pharaohs festooned the interiors of their tombs with all manner of paintings and hieroglyphs, in order to assure them of a safe passage to the underworld and the enjoyment of all the good things of life, thereafter.



So who built it and what it was originally built for, remains a tantalizing mystery. Just my take.

[xelasnave]

Probably a place to store gold☺
Just looking into stone structures in South Africa.
It is becoming apparent that we have a history different from the history starting with Eygpt....which suits the current religions and I suspect "they" may well guide us to think human history is only a few thousand years and yet there are many ruins being discovered that indicates there was possibly an advanced civilization before Eygpt ...but that does not suit the Mosses story and so there seems a determination not to entertain an earlier advanced civilization...
Anyways lots of stuff I am only now finding out about...
I would love to be able to look at the various river mouths where they were approx 11000 years ago before sea levels rose by 400 feet and I bet if there was any advanced civilization that is where there my be evidence.
The big thing to notice is how mainstream is not buying into this given the Yonger Dryas event now seems to have an impact crator in the region expected to cause this extrodinary sea level rise...just think if we suffered that...in a couple of thousand years what trace would be left of us...
Something to think about on cloudy nights.
And now that Atlantis has been found.....
☺
Alex

[Wavytone]

Alex you’re about 50 years late.. von Daniken covered it all. cf Chariots of the Gods etc..

[Stonius]

Maybe they were just trying to get a *really solid foundation for a pier mount? :-D

[Wavytone]

Simple - the ultimate conclusion of Pyramid Piwer - the bigger it is the more power - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power

Must have had a lot of knives needing sharpening...

[multiweb]

There's one in Canberra. Makes sense now. :lol:

[xelasnave]

I did see Eric having a chat on utube but cant recall anything he said.
Graham Hancock is another, if not the main voice, suggesting an advanced civilization prior to the Yonger Drayas flood or rather sea level rise.
The recent discovery of the crater in Greenland is very hard to ignore as support for his hypothisis.
However folk getting involved in presenting ideas go a little to far in some cases with the injection of aliens and various unsupported ideas.
At this point I am inclined to accept the sea level rise and a possibility that there is a commonality with various ruins world wide that suggest a civilization that was wide spread.
Often when you look at ancient ruins there seems to be evidence of two different builders...the older more sophisticated than those who it is suggested came after.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Well that may be closer to the truth than the tomb idea in so far as there are various aspects that suggest astronomy had a great influence...not that that excludes the tomb idea.
Alex

[xelasnave]

The problem with suggesting anything outside main stream is that it gets grouped with the nutter element, and that is somewhat reasonable, however that results in more reasonable alternatives being dismissed out of hand and I am convinced there is a reluctance related to religion and that is not only understandable but can be expected.
There certainly is a reluctance to consider gobekli tepe as put there by an agricultural based culture as to do so changes everything we believed we knew.
That site suggests agriculture existed perhaps 5000 years or more earlier than what we currently believe.
Alex

[xelasnave]

This is the stuff I am looking into at the moment...irrespective of the dates its most interesting.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/200-000-year-old-city-found-in-southern-africa-set-to-re-write-history/amp/

[JA]

Hi Alex,
I was interested in seeing some detailed images of the Maputo structures in the link you posted and found this covered it further (as well as some ET issues).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xsv0jzE7FU

Best
JA

[xelasnave]

Thanks looking forward to looking at it when I get a break.
Alex

[Nikolas]

Just to clarify a common misconception, the pyramids were not built by slaves.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5BfFozokdo


Also it's 500,000 large blocks not 2.5 million. In total it was 2.5 million but many of those were much smaller blocks for infill.

[xelasnave]

Thanks Nik
Probably best to work out cubic meters laid or put in place per hour....
Alex

[Astrophe]

Yes. It has been accepted by mainstream archeologists, that slaves did not build the pyramids. For a start, Ancient Egypt was not a slave-state like Greece or Rome. Most slaves in the ancient world were acquired as a result of war, and for most of its life Ancient Egypt was fairly pacific. Yes, the Pharaohs did wage war, but mostly in response to incursions made by (usually) culturally less advanced peoples. Ancient Egypt was almost never a militarily aggressive state like those mentioned above.

[Wussell]

The great pyramid is an 8 sided pyramid.

[GrahamL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs
There are similar recordings of people from the middle east moving large stones with few people and little work just using basic tools , maybe a couple hundred stone masons were just well paid and knew exactly what they were doing ?,, dosnt fit with all the mythical stuff but maybe all through time engineers are just able to get **** done.

[xelasnave]

Thanks for that Graham.
I wonder did the aliens do it that way☺
Alex

[ChrisV]

Back in the early 90s I went there. The guide was very insistent that the"pyramids were not built by slaves, positively proven". And I didn't believe him!!! They were just so massive- I couldn't. Well there you go

[xelasnave]

I bet folk think you are joking.

But the effect is very noticable in certain light.

Alex

[clive milne]

Alex,

My take on it is this;

The pyramids were built to direct your attention to the geometry and motion of the objects in the sky.

They were built in such a manner that they would outlast the civilisation or culture that built them.

The extent of the weathering of the Sphinx is not consistent with an arid climate, so it follows that it was already an old ruin at the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago which is basically when the rain stopped falling there in any significant quantity. I guess you could say that dynastic Egypt inherited a large portion of the artefacts in the Nile basin from a much older civilisation which collapsed many thousands of year prior to their epoch.

Some of the correlations with (things) astronomical are well documented (such as alignment to true North, alignment to Sirius et al).
Others, less so.

For example:
The length of the base is 365.262 cubits.
The keen eyed observer will note that this is the length of a year accurate to a minute or so!

The angle of the sides is not arbitrary.
If you call the length of the sides (at the base) 2 units, the distance from the middle of any side (at the base) to the apex is 1.61803 units.. which of course is Phi, the golden ratio.
If the pyramids were hollow and you were able to hang a rope from the apex to the desert floor below, then used that rope as a radius to draw a circle in the sand, that circle would have the same circumference as the perimeter of the entire pyramid... ergo) the pyramids use phi to define Pi !

fwiw) the angle of the sides of the pyramid (a bit over 51 degrees) is approximately the latitude of Stonehenge, where the difference between the positions of the summer and winter solstice sunrise defines a perfect right angle.

Also.... and the following bit is absolutely not consistent with our understanding of ancient history... so put it down to extraordinary coincidence if you will...
The ratio of the pyramid base length to its height is the same as the ratio of Earth's diameter to its polar radius + lunar polar radius to a high degree of accuracy.

As extraordinary as that may seem, there is a deeper factoid in there to ponder. The relative size of Earth and its moon could be said to be an abstract expression of the number Pi!
You can put that down to luck or you could speculate as to whether the Solar system was built by an Engineer with something of a sense of humour.

Whatever the case, I don't think the concept of a 'great architect in the sky' is inconsistent with what we know about pre-dynastic belief systems.

I don't think it is necessary to have a dog in the race either way to acknowledge that whoever built the pyramids was able to elicit a degree of motivation and commitment from the people who made up their society that would be impossible to replicate today short of the clouds parting, and Angels on fiery chariots delivered the CAD files directly to every person on the planet.

Point being, they thought it was important enough to devote every spare ounce of material and effort in order to pull it off. There must have been a compelling argument on the table.

~c

[AndyG]

That was a remarkably good take Clive :)

[xelasnave]

Hi Clive
Yes so many interesting aspects.
Great post.
Alex

[Astrophe]

Another interesting point about the Sphinx is that the head is way too small for the body on which it sits, and further, the head is far better preserved than the body. This leads to the conclusion that original head was re-carved at some point in the remote past....perhaps into the likeness of an early Pharaoh. What the head was originally, can only be guessed at.

[clive milne]

You are welcome.

;)

~c

btw) There is a lot more to the subject, and Stonehenge perhaps deserves a couple of chapters on its own.

A truly remarkable piece of Engineering, not so much from a physical construction perspective but from the profound astronomical knowledge encoded within it. I struggle to reconcile that with a neolithic culture.

History, imho, is way more interesting than any fiction I have come across.

btw) I wouldn't bother reading Graham Hancock, Vondaniken, etc... snake oil salesmen is the most charitable term I could use.

[xelasnave]

I read it all.
Rather watch the vids...even when they really go off the rails.

Listen to the dull and the ignorant for they to have their story..who said that before me.

Well so far I have it all worked out☺
The stories of Atlantis and the aliens is all true☺.


I can understand ancient folk being good with astronomy...no tv...and from personal experience it is amazing what you can do with a stick, shadows and a string with a rock when alone in the bush...for only a short time compated to the ancients.


The key is not to get carried away.

Was there an Atlantis...well I dont know and will never know so why push a view.

The Yonger Dryas ...sure sounds good but even with a mountain of evidence we can only guess.

Big bang gets the same from me...
Sounds good but I really dont know.
Heck we dont even know what we dont know that we dont know.

Dont know has a timeless strength.

So many things I deal with that way...I dont know allows me to always be right☺.
Alex

[Wavytone]

You’ll be pleased to know the documentary “Stargate” is on the telly, now.

[xelasnave]

My daughter has the whole set on DVD ...history and science in one place☺
Alex