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Placidus
01-09-2017, 12:02 PM
We've previously tried even 50 hours unbinned, trying to get more detail in the family of faint bow shocks to the east of the Helix, with only partial success.
Here we've taken 34 hours of 2x2 binned H-alpha, plus another 4 hours of unbinned for the bright core details.
Original full-size image here
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Category/Planetary-Nebulae/i-HvQ5hRR/0/708899f2/O/Helix%20Ha%202x2%2034%20hrs%2C%201x 1%204%20hrs.jpg)
The routinely imaged "eyebrow" about half-way out, arcing from 9 to 12 o'clock came out well. It looks like a breaking ocean wave, with a hollow cave-like three-dimensional extension toward 9 o'clock.
Far beyond the eyebrow, we can see that the much fainter main chevron-shaped bow-shock toward 9 o'clock has many smaller shock fronts within it.
Toward 10 o'clock, there is a pair of very fine and sharp, large, concentric round-nosed bow shocks, which have rarely, if ever, been imaged before.
In a long arc from about 10 o'clock to 12 o'clock is another almost implausibly sharp and thin bow shock.
The more familiar bright blunt conical extension toward 7 o'clock is shown to have a lot of internal detail and texture, vaguely reminiscent of fox fur.
The extensions toward 4 o'clock is seen to be much more flocculent, not shocked.
We're kinda chuffed, because we don't think we've seen a deeper rendition of these fine outer bow shocks. The 2x2 binning exercise was worthwhile.
Field is a tight 3 panel mosaic 43 min arc wide, north up. Aspen CG16M at -30C on 20" PlaneWave CDK on MI-750 fork. Acquisition using our own custom software. Processing with our GoodLook 64.
Best,
MnT
Atmos
01-09-2017, 12:10 PM
2x2 binned 34 hours with a 20"... Oh my god!
:thumbsup: :prey2:
troypiggo
01-09-2017, 12:11 PM
Wow that's deep! Think you're right - certainly the deepest Ha I've seen.
traveller
01-09-2017, 12:14 PM
Amazeballs M&T.
Deep and detailed as usual.
Bo
strongmanmike
01-09-2017, 12:42 PM
Well the original version you guys did a while ago was already mighty good and deep but comparing the two, this has widened the field a little, added some body to the main neb and consolidated some of the fainter/finer features you reveal back then. Do you plan to do another panel to the right?..there are some faint extensions to reveal on that side too :thumbsup:
Very cool :)
Mike
RickS
01-09-2017, 12:57 PM
Fantastic, M&T!
LewisM
01-09-2017, 01:01 PM
Omfg!
Bassnut
01-09-2017, 01:02 PM
wow, thats amazingly deep, fantastic image, very well done!
Retrograde
01-09-2017, 02:06 PM
Wow! Fantastic depth. :eyepop:
Mighty_oz
01-09-2017, 02:49 PM
Great shot there :) Detail I've never seen before, thanks for the effort.
markas
01-09-2017, 03:32 PM
As others have already said, I have not seen this extent and detail ever before.
What a superb reference image!
Mark
multiweb
01-09-2017, 03:51 PM
Awsesome Mike! That's deep alright. You gotta look to the right now. :thumbsup:
alpal
01-09-2017, 04:41 PM
Hi Mike & Trish,
Wow - that's the best Ha image of the Helix Nebula that I can find on the web.
The bar has been set higher.
cheers
Allan
Stevec35
01-09-2017, 04:52 PM
Puts my humble effort to shame guys. I should have gone 2x2. A great Ha helix!
Cheers
Steve
Placidus
01-09-2017, 06:27 PM
Colin, Troy, Bo, Rick, Lewis, Fred, Pete, Marcus, Mark, Marc, Allan, Steve,
Thank you all so much for your encouragement.
Mike and Marc, yes we must add a half-panel on the right. The sky is clear tonight but the moon is fat and bright so it's chicken, wine, and movies.
This image, Mike and Trish came up with quite different final versions, so what we've presented is a 50:50 blend of the two. Democracy at work.
Very best,
MnT
peter_4059
01-09-2017, 06:33 PM
Wow. Top stuff.
SimmoW
01-09-2017, 06:43 PM
APOD ALERT!!!!! INCOMING, INCOMING.
Beautiful stuff team, this deserves recognition. If that kinda thing floats your boat that is. Some amazing patterns in the outer region.
Octane
01-09-2017, 07:43 PM
Wow, you guys! That is incredible! I've never seen those extensions before. And, 20" -- sheesh!
I've been gathering data on this baby in bi-colour over the last couple of months, as well, but, I doubt I'm going to get anywhere near showing so much detail, let alone the image scale, lol.
When's the colour due? :D
H
PRejto
01-09-2017, 08:09 PM
Wow, one of the most impressive images I've ever seen. Bravo!
Peter
gregbradley
01-09-2017, 09:39 PM
Great work. It looks terrific. As far as doing a right hand panel, don't worry you got it all, there is nothing more on the right side there.
Greg.
atalas
01-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Quite an amazing Helix guy's....well done indeed :thumbsup:
Ryderscope
01-09-2017, 10:00 PM
OMG indeed. Much fine detail to behold.
Whew. Tour de force.
Wonderful image!
willik
02-09-2017, 12:03 AM
I thought you could not bin ha unless you are the huble telescope unless you got the super scope
Martin
vlazg
02-09-2017, 05:59 AM
Congratulations M & T, a truely superb image, the depth is incredible.
I don't mind a glass or two myself but chicken wine ???
Placidus
02-09-2017, 07:43 AM
Peter, Simon, Humayun, Peter R, Greg, Louie, Rodney, Rob, Martin, George,
Thanks so much. :)
Greg and Mike, we'll probably add a bit of a sliver of a panel on the right just to even the image up a bit, for Andy C.
Humayun, it's certainly tempting to try some binned OIII and SII. No idea whether we'll see anything at all out in the far fringes. Worth a peek.
Simon, many thanks! Our boat would be bobbing gently if only it would rain. We're in a mini drought out here!
George, we've trained our two chooks and Boris the otherwise useless rooster to tread grapes. Meanwhile, we've fixed the missing commas.
Once again, thanks to everyone.
MnT
marc4darkskies
02-09-2017, 12:32 PM
Outstanding depth M&T!! Very impressive indeed! :thumbsup:
strongmanmike
02-09-2017, 03:05 PM
When you go to the trouble of shooting THIS deep..sheesh, t'is deeper than the Mariana! (not the spaghetti - my favourite BTW) :eyepop:...why not include the whole thing?? :thumbsup: :)
Mike
Peter Ward
02-09-2017, 05:26 PM
You've set a new bench mark for this one....for comparison I've attached an image I captured a few years ago (some 32 hours worth) with my Honders.
Your image reveals so much more!
Bravo M&T !
Placidus
02-09-2017, 10:12 PM
Thanks muchly, Marcus.
Will do. It would be great to know why the east and west sides of the Helix look so different. Moving through pre-existing medium? Pre-existing medium assymetrically dense?
Thanks, Peter. Took us a while to find the original of your image. It is very good.
Camelopardalis
03-09-2017, 10:35 AM
Truly epic M&T :eyepop:
Paul Haese
03-09-2017, 05:28 PM
Huge image scale Mike, and blitzed my effort of 60 hours with my FSQ. Size does matter. Just for comparison I have included my Ha image. This is a full res crop. Your scale and brightness is the new standard here Mike. :thumbsup:
Regulus
03-09-2017, 05:57 PM
Oh my...
Placidus
03-09-2017, 07:18 PM
:)
Thanks muchly Paul. Yours captures most of it, and does seem to show some additional faint material at your top left, off the screen for us.
Thanks Trevor!
cometcatcher
03-09-2017, 08:26 PM
Trucking smell!
(Or something that rhymes with it ;) )
Placidus
04-09-2017, 10:37 AM
:D and thank you Kevin!
rustigsmed
04-09-2017, 06:18 PM
awesome work M& T!
colour? going to add to it each year?
just fantastic!
Russ
Placidus
04-09-2017, 09:57 PM
Thanks Russell. Yes, definitely planning to add OIII and SII. Not sure that we'll be able to detect it so far out though.
Somnium
04-09-2017, 11:02 PM
okay, now you are just showing off! amazing
Placidus
05-09-2017, 06:07 PM
We try to please. Thank you! :)
topheart
06-09-2017, 03:15 PM
A wonderful effort to show the fainter out regions like this.
Well done!
Congratulations!
Cheers,
Tim
Placidus
06-09-2017, 09:07 PM
Thanks Tim. We had a lot of fun with this one.
Shiraz
09-09-2017, 11:37 PM
Just plain astonishing. Established a very high bar with this one folks - well done.
Placidus
10-09-2017, 02:06 PM
Thanks muchly, Ray. That is very encouraging.
Best,
MnT
Slawomir
10-09-2017, 02:19 PM
Fantastic image M&T !
Would be interesting to see if combining data from other significant integrations already done by various IIS members would add any noticable detail.
Placidus
10-09-2017, 06:05 PM
Thanks Suavi!
In the spirit of pooling images, the deepest shot that we can find (http://www.galex.caltech.edu/media/glx2012-04f_img01.html) is a GALEX Spitzer WISE infrared and ultraviolet combo. Their article says that it looks amazingly similar across a huge wavelength range.
It does show faint extensions to the right that are out of field in our image.
We'd love to know of other very deep images, either amateur or professional.
Best,
Mike and Trish
Ryderscope
10-09-2017, 07:38 PM
Gee whiz MnT!! An incredible effort and a result that justifies the effort.
dpastern
10-09-2017, 09:19 PM
M&T - hubble called - they want their telescope back!
Amazingly detailed image. Superb!
Placidus
11-09-2017, 11:41 AM
Thanks muchly, Rodney!
Thanks D. NASA just turned up with a giant catapault on a low loader. They're tightening the slings now. They refused our offer of a full jar of vegemite as a swapsie. :D
Andy01
11-09-2017, 01:15 PM
I'll just echo what's already been said about this superb, amazing result!
... and put in a request for a full deep NB version now please ;)
Placidus
11-09-2017, 06:22 PM
Thanks muchly, Andy. Much appreciated.
Atmos
15-09-2017, 12:37 PM
http://www.astrobin.com/full/311097/C/
Here is your competition MnT ;)
strongmanmike
15-09-2017, 01:23 PM
Naaah Col, while that's pretty ok, that's little better than my now rather mediocre version done back in 2009 (was a marathon effort for me then) with the 6" Starfire and insensitive and noisy 11000 chip.
Mike and Trish's image on the other hand...well, it is clearly in the orbiting space observatory league!! :eyepop: see attached image by GALEX!
:prey2:
Mike
Placidus
15-09-2017, 09:33 PM
Thanks Colin, that's a lovely shot. They used a 20 inch scope, same 16803 camera chip, hugely higher and drier location, and nice colour, but far fewer hours of H-alpha than ours.
Thanks Mike! We had some pretty strong wind here the other day, and it almost was an orbiting space observatory.
strongmanmike
04-01-2018, 12:16 PM
Matchin it with today's CFHT APOD (https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap180103.html) he he he...
Mike :thumbsup:
Placidus
04-01-2018, 11:14 PM
Thanks Mike. We did submit it. Your kind comparison is as close as we've come to notoriety so far. :D
Theirs is much sharper, especially showing the far distant galaxies more clearly, but I reckon the outermost and faintest H-alpha bow shocks toward top left are clearer in our image.
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