X files and UFO's

[astromark]

It would appear that we as a society are growing up. The spontaneous combustion and UFO stories seem to have stopped. Not that The incidence of alien ships visiting Earth has changed. It still remains at a staggering zero despite the technology now available to us not a single shred of evidence to support this outrageous notion of abductions and strange visitors from where ever,... Go on, prove me wrong.

[matt]

But there is proof.

My friends and family are always telling me I'm from another planet!:lol:

[xelasnave]

The problem is every one is looking for ships and creatures of a similar size to what we are used to:) ...now if aliens visited Earth they would be well evolved, probably (as we will) have eliminated all other life forms on their own planet because of similar mistakes to those we currently make with our planet..they would no doubt embarked on tampering with the natural evolution of their species to breed smaller each generation so that resources can go further;) .I mean a litre of petrol goes a long way if your cars and people are "ant" size or smaller:whistle: .. in fact I expect that they will be so small that they could park their space ship in an ants nest so we never get to see them....being small is sortta inteligent and if they can get here they must be that:P ....I am sure I am right and that no one ever sees aliens because of this inescapable fact:eyepop: they are simply too small to be noticed:D ;) ...prove me wrong:lol: :lol: :lol: .
alex

[Phil]

Hi astromark. I seen something one night while at my telescope and to this day i dont no what the hell it was. I got someone esle to come and have a look and they two didnt no what it was. It was a big light that moved over the top of me . It was about 100m of the ground. But the funning thing was there was no sound at all. That is when i got the other person to come and look. We then got the video camera and film it moving very slowly south. At the time i live at Bulli N.S.W. Dont asked for the videro because my
ex has it. And i wont be able to get it. Believe or not. I believe only because the universe is way to big for just us. And because of the sighting i had.
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[astromark]

This is what I was looking for. Thank you Phil. I do not know what you saw. I was not there. But once again this very genuine description of some thing as yet unexplained does not change any thing. You do not seem to know what you saw. From the information given it is not possible for us / me to make an assessment of what that bright light might have been. I can only speculate that as it had no sound it was some distance from you. A atmosphere skimming object or, A meteorite a Iridium flare or, The ISS or shuttle. The number of possibilities goes on without any more information. Viewing that film would be of some help perhaps. On its own this sighting of a light in the sky moving does not sagest alien intelligence visiting Earth.
As for Alex and his small scale idea... Hmmm, I have read Douglas Adams trilogy of humor and remember the alien race that crossed the galaxy only to be swallowed by a small dog due to an error in scale... Yes I to agree that it would seem a awful wast of space if we are all thats in it. 'Carl Sagan'. But I'm sorry lads you will need to do better before this skeptic is converted.:)

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[Phil]

The light was not a meteoriteor iridium or something like that it was way way to low and big and moving very very slow.

[mick pinner]

you will have to excuse my scepticism Phil but you may or may not have the only video in histoty that can prove the existance of alien life and you cannot get it because your ex has it? l have to agree with astromark, so many sightings and not one piece of evidence after all this time has to tell us something.

[xelasnave]

mmm not a believer eh? hang on I will go to the garden I know what to look for.. I know. I will observe the forest thru the 150ar and a 5x barlow I find us one for sure.
People want to believe they have seen "one" and they are right in saying they have seen a UFO but that does not mean an alien only something unidentified. Saw some slow moving spheres one day, well I looked and looked finally determining they were "father xmas" weeds..those ones that you blow and all the little parachuets comes off... the Sun behind them gave them a distant yet huge appearance slow moving obviiously under control:eyepop: ..if I had not tracked down the reason I could have been convinced that day;) .. mm maybe they fly here on them:P ???
I love encouraging people to tell me what they saw without casting doubts my, my, one hears some stories;) .
alex

[Phil]

Sorry but i am not a lier. I dont even no how to lie. I am not saying it was a ufo . I just dont no what it was. And it is true that my ex has the video and i cant get it because we dont talk anymore. When we split she took everything. Or i got was my telescopes. Thank god.:) I dont believe in aductions. But there has to be something else out there.

[mick pinner]

not for a minute do l think you are lying Phil, but throughout the history of UFO sightings there is a constant theme, l filmed a UFO but the battery was flat, l lost the tape, the dog ate it, and the ones that did survive were either shown to be fakes or common earthly occurances.
l do not dismiss the chance of alien life but l do not agree with the assumption that it "must exist".

[Phil]

Thats cool everyone has there own apion.

[Astroman]

I have seen a couple of things that have been unexplainable, do I have proof, NO but I have two other witnesses to the occurences. One of them being my wife on both occasions. I have also heard reports from close friends of some pretty strange things that have happened to them while they were out in the Deserts os South Australia. I believe something else is out there, but as for abductions etc.. I am still a bit skeptical. One occurence told by my friends was very similar to what phil has talked about, but this happened in pitch black of the desert at night, a largish object passing overhead without a sound. The only way my mates knew it was there was the stars (and we all know how many show up in the desert) were blanked out as the object passed overhead and dissapeared in the distance. As for proof, we only have witness accounts. Whether this was man made or alien made we will never know, but something is still happening...

[ving]

are you trying to tel me that the cow in my avatar is normal? ;)

ther is life out there, i dont know why they would bother to come here and probe people but there is life out there :)

[mick pinner]

l think if one takes a logical (in human terms) approach to the subject, why would aliens come to earth just to fly over outback Australia in the middle of the night or go to England and make circles in wheat fields?
lf you want to look for unexplained goings on then you need to look at the ground markings in South America or some of the findings that were uncovered when digging for the Aswan dam was taking place, they found a load stone carved out of solid granite in the middle of the desert that cannot be lifted by the largest cranes in the world today, alien intervention? maybe but these incidences point to extra terrestrial life with more substance than UFO's.

[Mick]

Flying is so human, if they were or are that advanced mechanical means seem so primitive to me. I do believe in some sort of life (presence) in other places, just not here at this time.

[Shawn]

Good one Mick

Yes the universe as we know it as huge place, and intellegent life comes and goes in great abundance, logic dictates It has to. However its also extremely old, thus the chances of two inteligent and similar life forms looking for each other and finding, in near proximity, also in thier own brief "relatively speaking" period of existance is incredibly small. Do the sums.

Therefor there must be a terestrial explanation for the odd unexplained phenomena, that is not quite simply a hoax..

But then each to there own ,,,:)

[xelasnave]

Mick said...quote "l think if one takes a logical (in human terms) approach to the subject, why would aliens come to earth just to fly over outback Australia in the middle of the night or go to England and make circles in wheat fields?"

Mick being aliens their motivations may make no sense to us as I expect our motivations would make no sence to them. Making crop circles may fit into their breeding cycle for example and each year they come on a trek across space to a field in England or fields where:D .... well thats enough for you to think about without going further;) . But your post made me think of the possible differences in survival tactics, society, economies and least of all body shape of someone from another world and us. We cant manage the differences very well that exsist as differences between humans on this planet so trying to understand the workings of a mind far better developed than ours would not be easy:) ... what if they ate their young:eyepop: for example:D could we tolerate their exsistence in the Universe or would we sweare an oath to convert or destroy them:shrug: ..If they visit they will be smart enough not to get involved with us and share their customs (presumably being able to observe the intollerances that exist in human society).. But no doubt they exsist somewhere and are alive as we speak, real "people" going about a "real" life someplace elsewhere... doing whatever they do in their worlds far off, as ignorant of us as we are of them. As to coming here well who would know if they did??? If they are smart enough to get here (build ships manage the medicne etc)(for whatever reason) they would not risk being noticed by the locals... unless they get slack and travel over areas of outback Australia which may well be shown on their charts as unihabited and they decided to give the cloaking device a rest unawares of the campers or stargazers below...no sound means very efficient energy consumption which supports the idea of a much further advanced race than us;) .. mmm it all adds up:D .. so the available evidence points to very clever aliens visiting us, presumabaly very small:rolleyes: ..
Shawn to me the numbers and the age of the Universe (even if you need it to have a starting date which I doubt:P ) suggest sortta the opposite.. Given the much earlier development of galaxies than expected, given the indications that many processes acted faster rather than slower (planet formations etc) it stands to reason that there must be many many opportunities for life more advanced than us to exist earlier than us..why could not inteligent species have been out there for billions of years before us..so advanced they have eliminated death and obsolesence from their species and society... being further advanced who knows what they could do beyond what we can imagine.Live for long enough to understand the females in their race.live long enough to spend thousands of years travelling in space..maybe millions. maybe they were smart enough to eliminate the Y cromozone.. (ever heard anyone tell that we must lose the y to advance? mmm I like the y).. whatever and how many? the basis that the Universe is infinite or at least very big and the possible numbers of possible inteligent species could be very high
I think an interesting question to ponder (speculate upon without recourse to facts;) ).. is when did the first intelligent life appear in the Universe (or are we it?) and is that first species still alive, and how many species have preceeded us, how many more advanced than us out there now?? Then ask yourself "isnt building a battle star really a good idea?". Is there a galaxy (www) web that one day we get to join?
If the Universe is infinite (and it is) then everything is possible someplace sometime.. think about that next time you reject an idea.
AND if you actually met an alien would you come forward and mention it to anyone..I would not thats for sure:D .
I have heard about those dark shapes, also light shapes and even better:D and certainly when the stories are told I think most people believe they have seen something out of this world because there is no worldy explanation:eyepop: ..those situations present there is no question of that.
alex

[GrahamL]

Our own kind starve to death in the millions despite the planet produceing
enough to feed them all , a big part of our history is "still" devoted to
finding more creative ways to lob gunpowder at each other ?.
Our time here is no more than a blink of an eye away from its savage and primitive beginnings , I hope if by the smallest of chances another race happens to stumble across us ... that ..they run like hell the other
way asap :)


If alians are amoungst us I believe they will come in the night disguised as beekeepers so as not to attract attention.!!!!!

[xelasnave]

I still recon we need a couple of battle stars if they neglect their kind on their planet or eat their young we could "save" them. Mankind has a long way to go lets hope, and perhaps one day he can raise his killing instincts to that of an animal which although not a popular approach limits killing to a "needs" basis. But killing is part of civilization as we have evolved it, I wonder how it is done on other planets that got to a stage of development past what we can currently concieve? Is part of the process being able to consum everything your planet has to offer.. mmm recycled sewerage today soilent green tommorrow is not that unreasonable.. dash the spelling but you know the product ..its been on the Simpsons for goodness sake..
but it is difficult to seriously imagine another world with "real" people..aliens to us.. where they have their customs or not their economy or not their wars or not ..the differences would be so interesting and perhaps impossible to reconcile with our view of reality.. still until we know even more we need at least two battle stars equiped with microscopes and animal behaviour scientists and of course some arms just in case we need them.
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[Argonavis]

Most likely a flock of birds, or insects, or bats, all of which are very silent at night and move as a single unit. Their true nature would not be apparent in the dark.

[Argonavis]

This is more due to the nature of the more odious governments and ideologies around the world than to any actual shortage of food.




Most societies devote most of their resources to devising better methods of killing each other (we call it defence), and our collective appalling behaviour towards each other can only be explained by the fact that we are at the top of the food chain, and co-operation outside of a small group is counterproductive.




Much like that Mel Gibson movie, I think that we will be the ones that should start running. Our species would have to be the most available and easily caught protein around, and even if they didn't want to eat us, our own history tells us what happens when an advanced culture settles amongst a more primitive one.

[xelasnave]

Yes and very efficient with their energy each creature proposed
alex

[astromark]

Sitting at home with nothing better to do brought me to these pages of chats and the want to respond is just to much for a lad with the flue.....So to revive this subject I will attempt...
Over a year ago while just getting the last of the public on there way home we were about to close up the dome and shut down the old girl for the night when a little unease came over us.. Yes, we saw we knew not what? As I read the above posts a familiar point was triggered. It was the obscuring of the stars above that drew our attention. A slow moving massive object. Absolute silence and a very Erie Grey tone of opaque obscured the background stars as it moved silently across our open observatory doors. Then a clue was seen. It changed direction at first slowly and then with some speed as it went through 90deg. Still in silence and then all was made clear.... Racing pigeons. A flock of 25-30 birds flying in close formation. It was enough to make what little hair I have be upstanding... The flock of birds came into the car park area and were now easily visible as pigeons looking for cars to poo on.:)
The unease this incident coursed us was alarming and I/we have pledged not to ridicule any reported sighting ever... Very pleased they did not land and assimilate us into their colective....
I to agree with the obvious statements of those who sagest that we can not be alone.... but with a huge emphases on that BUT... The time line that has brought the human race to this point has been interrupted and tampered with by many events. some life threatening while others just changed the rules of play... Could we be the only intelligent life form in this whole Galaxy at this time... yes and No. I do wish I knew the answer to this with absolute certainty. But I may never. We might just have to face the fact that due to the shear size of the distances involved here and the time line we seem to be stuck with. The answer is a big fat zero.

[avandonk]

I am sure all my ex wives were aliens and they most probably think the same of me!

A slow moving dark object in the non light polluted desert blocking out the stars is called a cloud!

Ask the Aboriginals of every continent what happens when the aliens with 'more advanced technology' turn up. They steal your resources and kill you if you object!

Bert

[xelasnave]

Funny Bert I saw War of the Worlds (Tom Cruise /S Speilberg version) in the dvd cabinet last night so put it on the Lappy by the bed to nod off to...had read H.G.Wells original version (I got it for topping the trial leaving in general science, was my most valued thing but lost it in the fire)....I could not help but think we act in the manner they portrayed the "aliens" towards everything already here yet no one sees it or thinks we are bad...the way they would see the aliens in the movie... we treat everything with the same lack of respect as those creatures did... maybe that was the message of the movie.. anyways no bad dreams.
alex

[Sgtfretsurfer]

A galaxy maybe? But what about an entire universe, made up of possibily billions of galaxies, potientially expanding forever! As so cleverly put, that’s an aweful waste of space.


I don’t get why some people won’t at least entertain the idea, where does all the resistance stem from?


Ok iv heard a lot of arguments. There is no proof, little evidence, and ZERO empirical evidence.


You cannot trust anything ‘proven’ with anecdotal evidence! There are countless stories of bright lights in the sky and mysterious objects, but they ‘prove’ squat! Even though some could be true, a lot would be bogus, and either way no skeptic will ever be convinced.


You cannot trust anything ‘proven’ with videos and photos! They are a form of evidence, but with today’s technology obviously they can be fraudulent. Again, skeptics will not be convinced.


So what can you trust? Your REASON!


Start with the obvious basics, think about how big the universe is, how many planets there must be, how insignificant we are as a little dot inside a little galaxy swinging in a spiral of millions of other galaxies. Visualize yourself looking down upon millions of galaxies, picture in your head what it would look like. Then ask yourself – if all life exists on a single, insignificantly small rock orbiting inside a galaxy which can barely be differentiated from the millions of other galaxies around… then what is the rest of it for?? Wait maybe that’s too deep for now…


I think that maybe people get too hung up on the idea of aliens visiting earth. Especially when it comes to how! With out current collective body of scientific facts, we have absolutely no idea how it would be possible for aliens to travel great distances through space. Maybe we are (as always) limited by the parameters of our science! Maybe one day as our science grows we will understand. I’m certainly not ruling it out as impossible in the mean time. Maybe; there’s too many maybes hey. Maybe they have, maybe they haven’t. You certainly cant prove it either way, even if u saw it and video taped it. Does it really mater if they have come to earth or not? Even if they never had, I would still reason their existence.

[xelasnave]

If we are the only ones in all there is I doubt if life has much of a future.. we either move away or get fried when our Sun goes red giant..oh but that is in millions of years they say as if millions of years is a long time..just shows how narrow views can be..the time will come and at that time the Earth and on the narrow presumption all life in the UNiverse doth vanish...

Many find the prospect of other inteligent life hard to accept on the numbers but I think the numbers must suggest the opposite..

As most things your acceptance of the proposition turns on beliefs that have already formed and nothing short of an absolute confrontation with an undeniable presentation will change that for most.. even if aliens landed on the white house steps (as in one sci fi movie) most would not accept it as it is beyond their belief.

There are many things we take as facts now that will not change irrespective of reasonable proof to the contrary.

When I say there are no black holes..Well I am the idiot, yet all that believe they are there wont even entertain any possible alternate explanation.

I think that is a rather a cocky stance over something you can not see I feel. I suggest a possibility they say they work with a proven fact.. but to me it makes no sense to entertain something so mysterious because one can presnt the notion on paper.

They must be there they say, I can prove it on paper..sure and I can draw a unicorn so they must be real.. dont even argue about my unicorn because I drew a really good one...and so I rely on my proof ..look at him isnt he a nice one.. I call him pooky and he lives with his mother in little valleys between the clouds... look up you can see the valleys...can I pat him..oh no they are invissable to human eyes... I hope I make a point here.
If I am crazy well I am in good company.

WE think there is no other life in our solar system yet I feel this will be found to be very wrong ... the various Moons of Jupiter would seem probable ... maybe Mars life is all 100 mtrs below the surface . maybe they have ruined the surface like we are now doing and went below..harvesting the internal heat of the planet and surrended all ties with dwelling on the surface of a planet...now we all know folk will line up to say that is impossible ..impossible only relates to what we do not yet understand today really.

Who would have thought life could exist without Sunlight..not that long ago that was impossible ..well now we find there is life on this planet that can sourse energy otherwise than from the Sun...that should be cause to open ones mind much wider than ever before on thses matters.

It is a fact that life can not exist without water well maybe that is a fact that will change also... we can be so sure of ourselves which given our limited footprint on the Universe this seems simply so arogant to me.

Looking at the abundance of life on this planet why should other places be different... life seems to have this ability to "live" anywhere and make something of the cards it is dealt...

Still it would be both neat and saddening to think we were the top dogs in all the Universe.

alex

[Alchemy]

never met an alien, probably never will.

[astromark]

You can not know that...

Follow what Alex has said. Hes been thinking...

The probability of life being found in this solar system is higher than you might have thought. It may be microbial or just single cell structures. The abundance of life forms found on this planet sagest to me that life is tenacious. If it can it will...

As to whether this Earth has been visited by intelligent space traveling aliens or not is obviously not a question I have an answer to, yet. Chances are No. we are alone in this part of this galixy... but I can not know that...

Could we be the descendants of them...? well as uncomfortable as it is, Yes we could be. but I can not know that...

It would seem there is an awful lot I do not yet know with absolute certainty.

I am well aware that those more educated than I will look and run at the very suggestion I have made and I can understand that. Even agree with it. The possibility is still there as is the thought that Earth may have been invaded and they left.:hi:
The point must be to remain open minded in all things. Because the truth is often the simplest and most obvious solution but, there is always a but....

[Karls48]

In past posts and various treads over and over I hear complains about human nature. Our cruelty and selfishness, wastefulness, our constant wars and all the other bad things we do. I for one am contend and accept what we are. We are dominant species on this planet and we become such because what we are. If we were placid peaceful grass eating species something else would be dominant now, eating us and nothing would really change. I cannot accept arguments that things we do are unnatural as we are part of nature therefore what ever we do it is natural.
If one accept that we are only life in whole universe one may just as well accept that we were put here by some superior being. The general evidence so far points in other direction so I have to believe (by logical conclusion without any proof) that there must be other life in the Universe. The laws of physic seems to work all over visible Universe so one have to assume that any other intelligent life forms there would go thru similar evolutionary process as be did. If we ever will get visit from aliens one have to expect they will use as resource one way or other.