Different world...

[dbowie]

For starters Im not inviting debate on left or right wing ideals, opinions or outcomes, just a dissemination of material source and my amazement of how much of the world I haven't and don't see thru media..
Don't shoot the messenger..

So I got my NBN, I can watch streaming entertainment unlimited no more annoying lack of new news , obviously bias media selectiveness in the crappy array of public broadcasting and endless never-ending CSI variants, commercial breaks..blah..blah...small rant

After a 2 day Youtube binge to my surprise realising the Youtube App gives you the ability to dial in to greater extent a bigger picture of the big picture and the content I want to see as opposed to the browser based Youtube, I realised its a whole different world both here and abroad than I see on a day to day basis thru "conventional" commercial media. I don't have and never have had any form of social platform such as Facebook, Twitter etc apart from interest specific forums such as IIS and I don't contribute on my Youtube acc for obvious reasons preferring to engage with people in person sociallly. Ive always liked both sides of the story/ argument if possible to form an opinion trying to keep passion to a minimum and only where absolutely needed.

Ive therefore subscribed to Far Left to centre to Far Right channels and I gotta say its enlightening, you get to see the best and worst of what the world has on offer and what really impacts on ordinary peoples lives in a generally factual unedited fashion and when your done you can watch an episode of Dads Army to debrief..

People like Australians Gary Orsum, Mark Latham's PC, Tommy Robinson in the UK on the Rebel Channel to name a few might seem Right Wing but you get to see the Far left as well in an open discussion environment and how both sides conduct their "debate" on all the topics that kinda matter to me at least...have a look, like me you might be surprised...

[xelasnave]

Don't forget to go though all the funny cat stuff.
Alex

[dbowie]

Im getting to that :thumbsup:

[AstralTraveller]

A bloke at work reckons the internet only exists for cat videos and porn. Strangely I manage to spend too long on line without availing myself of either.

[xelasnave]

You find worlds you never realise exist.
I thought a good idea was a solar hot air balloon... Well 30 of them
Alex

[julianh72]

As long as you're subscribing to BOTH "far left" and "far right" sources (and a few middle ground ones as well won't go astray), you should be able to retain some semblance of balance.

The problems start when your "stream" presents only one side of the debate - either through self-censorship to only hear the stories that fit your own world-view (a basic human failing which afflicts us all), or only receiving the stories the government wants you to hear (generally associated with dictatorships, but democracies are by no means immune), or the stories that Rupert and his mates want you to hear (a very common problem for democracies and dictatorships alike!).

Even if you disagree with the policies and conclusions that "the other side" hold, you need to understand where they're coming from - either to shoot down their arguments in a debate, or occasionally, to recognise that "your side" doesn't always have all the answers!

[julianh72]

Whatever you do, resist the urge to Google for "cat porn video"! :eyepop:

[AstralTraveller]

I am reminded of moderator of a BBC debate who finished a show with the comment: "well we have heard the arguments for and against capital punishment and I'm sure the answer lies somewhere in the middle". :rolleyes:

Why should we assume that the 'correct' position in any debate is in the middle? Isn't it possible that one side is right and the other is on the wrong side of history? Personally I think that fence-sitters get simply get splinters where it hurts.

One caveat though is that not every proponent of a point of view or idea is a competent advocate of that point of view or idea. For example, I am a firm believer that anthropogenic global warming is real, however not every 'greenie' has a good grip on what it is or it's consequences. ['We'll destroy the planet.' -- rubbish] The solution to that bias however is not to watch the Bolt Report, it's to seek out the views of competent scientists. Similarly, I wouldn't look for an analysis of the problems in Cuban society in one of Trump's tweets.

[LewisM]

Yup, the mainstream media is for the brainwashed sheep getting fed a steady diet of one sided disinformation and persuasive propaganda. The amount of facts NOT disseminated is astonishing, and the sheer volume of deliberate mis-information even more so.

Haven't watched mainstream in 10 years now. Happily absorb from ALL sides - as we do - but refuse to be insulted by the transparent bullspit of mainstream media that present theory as fact, or opinion as gospel.

[Astrophe]

Excellent. I firmly believe that the surest path to madness, is to try to reconcile all points of view and come down somewhere inbetween. If one possesses a general philosophical position on politics and life in general, then one is less likely to be swayed by arguments from the extremes at either end. The internet is simply a tool and it conveys the opinions of individuals and groups which seek to influence and persuade others to their points of view.

The golden rule in this, is to think for yourself....think things through before coming down on one side or the other.

[Wavytone]

That only works if you assume all views are equally valid.

In maths, engineering and the hard sciences there's one correct view and the others are provably incorrect.

Philosophy ceased to be relevant to real-world problems in the 19th century.

[xelasnave]

I use a very basic approach.

First.
Follow the money ..
No matter what is going on someone usually stands to profit.
Does not mean their point or position is wrong but you may realise they are "invested" in a position.

I doubt if the NP folk care about the planet when they say they have the answer, the science will be used as a sales presentation

Second
If there is some major problem front lining the news look on page five to see what they want you to miss .

Third
Remember do not trust anybody as often the nicest are the best con men

The above seems simple but look at just one piece of news and try and apply without falling victim to your beliefs.

And follow the rules of Pythagoras try to understand why he made such rules....few can

Alex

[Renato1]

Yes, Youtube on TV is great. Sometimes I find myself watching more Youtube on TV than I do Netfix and free-to-air combined.

Watch a Top 10 on say Time Travel movies, and suddenly all these time travel movies I've never heard of show - both as full movies and short movies.

Want a big laugh - just type in Honest Trailers, and look up the films you've seen (don't miss Tom Cruise in Top Gun).

Plus plenty of history stuff either directly or the historical accuracy of movies.

Not to mention watching any number of concerts from your favourite music stars.

And watching Mark Latham, who used to be considered as something akin to the Greens nowadays, becoming the darling of conservatives for his railing stand against political correctness, cultural Marxism and identity politcs - is really something to behold. Especially as his views on workers' rights, the welfare state, climate change etc haven't changed from when he was Labor leader.
Regards,
Renato

[LewisM]

Yes it is very easy to forget Latham was PM..briefly...

Latham? Who?

Living in Canberra you are continually reminded of our PMs due to suburb naming. I had to seriously think who Latham was lol.

EDIT: Yeah, OK, he never got anywhere. Hmmm. Told ya I don't watch the Idiot News...just become an idiot independently.

Just waiting to see how long the thwarted aviation terror plot will last...Hot on the heels of Turnbull wanting ability to hack into people's phones to help fight terrorism...ahem. "See, we told you so"

[julianh72]

Huh?

I think you may have been watching too many "Fake News" sites!

[julianh72]

Ummmmm .... no.

Yes, in science, you can perform an experiment or make an observation which will prove that one theory is incorrect, and scrub it from the list of valid theories, but you can not prove that any theory is the one "correct" view.

The best designed experiments will eliminate as many counter-theories as possible in one fell swoop, but that doesn't make the supporting theory "correct", there is still the possibility that another theory will come along to supplant the current leading contender.

That's why we still have debates and conflicting theories on things like Dark Matter, Dark Energy, etc.

[rrussell1962]

Karl Popper?

[xelasnave]

Best thing to understand is what it,does,and what it does not do..
To help understand science read Popper
Alex

[rrussell1962]

Popper was certainly very influential when I was doing my science degrees in the early 1980's. I've not revisited him since then, but may do so if I have time.

[LewisM]

Yeah, see, that's how forgettable he was! LOL

[Astrophe]

Judging from your response, you would be one of those who are highly susceptible to manipulation by influence peddlers who seek out individuals, like yourself, who find black and white answers to most issues, very appealing. If you were to give some serious thought to the issues, instead of running off at the mouth with spurious claims about philosophy being irrelevant to modern sensibilities or 'real world problems', then you might even acquire a little humility, as well.

[dbowie]

So now were gaining some traction anyone like to comment on any of the issues covered in the subscribed Youtube channels at the bottom of my original post, there are some topics that interest me and it'd be good to see some other viewpoints...civil if possible, although Im not easily offended.;)

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude"
...Popper

[xelasnave]

Hi John
What nerve did Wavy hit?
Your response seems over the top. Have you had a bad day?
Alex

[xelasnave]

As appealing as your proposal would appear we probably break the rules. No politics.

I agree with Popper however would note when expecting rational argument with supporting facts to triumph over anothers belief also realise that disapointment and frustration will be the only result.
Alex

[dbowie]

Oh Ive seen similar topics covered here in recent posts thought they were well within boundaries in a mature open forum, no stress...:thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Well proceed.
Perhaps present an opinion or observation and in so doing set the mood.

My second reading "The History of Western Philosophy" by Bert Russell sees me 50 pages in this time and gleaning only this...it is not important to understand so much what folk think but more to consider why they may think that,way.
Alex

[dbowie]

Or are you doing a Popper on me? HaHa...

[xelasnave]

Why do right wing folk think the way they do
Why do left wing folk think the way they do
I will go further what are their fears and perceptions.
How do they see us and them
Why do they categorize
Alex

[xelasnave]

That's not allowed either.
Alex

[N1]

Maths, engineering maybe, but I'm not sure "one correct view and the others are provably incorrect" best describes how science (hard or otherwise) works.

[xelasnave]

Where did I use wisdon?
You must be imagining things.

Alex

[Tropo-Bob]

The one "correct" view may still be corrupted by one's belief.

I found an interesting article that claims such behaviour, to quote:

Everybody knows that our political views can sometimes get in the way of thinking clearly. But perhaps we don’t realize how bad the problem actually is. According to a new psychology paper, our political passions can even undermine our very basic reasoning skills. More specifically, the study finds that people who are otherwise very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes against their political beliefs.

To see the full article, view:- http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/new-study-politics-makes-you-innumerate/

[xelasnave]

Hi Brenton
I am glad you made your last post for if you had not I would be unaware that I have been getting under your skin.

That was not my intention.

If I have upset up you, as it seems the case, I am sincerely sorry.
I tried to contribute to your thread.

You can think what you wish but it is never my intention to be anything but friendly.
In any event if you perceive me as you do I can only apologise for the offences you feel I am guilty of...

I am really sorry that I have upset you.

I will withdraw so you can talk about what it is that you wish to talk about.

Thanks for telling me how you feel.

Alex

[dbowie]

Your quite welcome to contribute of course, Apology accepted, thnx..

[dbowie]

Alex, I realise that some of these topics may well have become inflammatory and it wasn't my intention to start a fire, so your warning was well heeded at the time, apart from the occasional benign flame session I have found the varied conversations on this forum respectful and honest as you'd expect from an intellectual community...if it aint broke yet don't try and fix it...no stress..:thumbsup:

[xelasnave]

Hi Brenton.

Thank you for accepting my apology and your invitation to contribute.

I will wait and see what comes up and let folk contribute so things can get rolling.

I will read your opening post again as I feel I must have missed the point that your were making.

And as you say...no.stress

Alex

[Tropo-Bob]

Well, U guys have had me researching who Popper was. I had never heard of him before, but his views actually dovetail in quite well with the psychology research project, which I mentioned on my previous post.

It all reminds me of a friend who wanted people to vote "for the good of the country." I asked her who she was voting for and she replied that they now have a small business, so it will be the coalition.

I replied, "So when U where in the Public Service, U voted ALP for the good of the country and now that U are small business, U vote Coalition for the good of the Country."

I seemed to lose a friend that day (or she lost a friend). One has to be so careful with these discussions.

[dbowie]

Good Point Bob, I recently had a discussion with a good friend who is a die hard vegan greenie [go figure] regarding the upcoming nuclear waste dump despite strong voted opposition just 200 miles north of me, she was adamant it was a good idea due to the assurances given by the government backed up by science, geological stability etc etc. Being in my backyard and not trusting the SA government or its eventual corporate contractors to do the right thing like putting it underground which they have no intention of doing already, I am of course opposed. Suffice to say its a shame things changed on that day between us and not for the better...who's right?

[Tropo-Bob]

Something I learnt from Dr Phil, U can fight to be right or U can have a loving family and friends.

In the past, I have written Letters to the Editor (IMHO sane, not abuse letters), but of course they upset some people. What I have learnt though is to argue (hopefully nicely) for my point of view on a grander scale and maybe change opinions of those who can do something, but to not argue with individual people who really have no control or influence over the matter anyway.

[dbowie]

Cant all drive white cars I suppose..I browsed over the Mother Jones, man, we are all over the shop, when was life simpler...:screwy:

[bobson]

This philosopher wrote a book about it :)

The World as Will and Representation (WWR; German: Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung, WWV) is the central work of the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer.

BTW Bertrand Russell was great man, you can find a lot videos on YouTube about him.

Cheers

Bob

[xelasnave]

Yes Bob and we thank him.(I think him) Schopenhauer for..."The world is my representation."

I think folk miss the opportunity of the application of those famous words.

My simplistic application is "things just are they become only defined by our personal qualification and so we judge and define a situation as either right or wrong and of course our qualification is guided by our experience and exposure which invariably will be limited ....

And so " the world is my representation"...like the great man said all those years ago.

My questions above when asked have folk answering from one side or the other but most often as...."they ( insert right left or whoever is to be considered if in opposition to the questioners held position,) are stupid, evil morons etc...

I like to try and understand others views without judgement.

Why does a right wing person seem anti socialism...often it is because they did it tuff and having succeeded form the belief success is the reward of hard work and as they succeeded everyone should work hard and succeed.. They did it why not everyone... No one overlooked inequity for them so they won't extend what they missed out upon.

And here there is no need for judgement merely observation.

And wealthy offspring will believe similar ( in most cases although many wealthy offspring revolt ...but let's keep this as simple as possible and accept for a moment the generalisation and focus upon the effort to understand influences upon belief.

And say left wing...Is it unreasonable to expect someone who tries but is denied, whilst witness to social and economic injustice, not to form a belief that things are not fair and society should not cast aside those who for whatever reason must endure disadvantage.

And ironically there are many on the right who will be kind and charitable whilst proclaiming their harse economic ethic just as there are those on the left who proclaim social justice whilst capitalising on the plight of those they claim to champion.

And add humans tribal nature it is easy to see why once one chooses a side one stays loyal and will not admit to any failing of their chosen position.

And once in position neither side can move to a legitimate understanding of the legitimate motives of their opposition..

But I maintain my questions are valid and useful if one can ask them of either side without forming their opinion before the first question.

There are so few tolerant folk.

But hate is easy for leaders to capitalise upon..us and them...they are different..hippies, rednecks, suits, blue collars, public servants etc feel free to add to the list...so often terms used to generate us and them...and hate.


I refuse to be put in a box..Folk see my beard and want to put me in the hippy box...what fools my philosophy is definitely not hippy, nor is it right or left.

The utube is a place that contains multiple universes...if you want be left or right religious or atheist you can surround yourself with visual confirmation that your identity is the correct one...that the way it is...no surprises there (for me).
You can have everything to fit from politics to humour...

Alex

[xelasnave]

Hi Brenton
I reread your op.
I miss what point it is that you think you present.
I did the first time as well.
Perhaps this explains my inability to focus upon an issue and resort to padding whilst waiting for meaning to emerge.
What is it you see and would like us to comment upon.
Are you pointing to one side being ethical and the other not so.
I just see political conflict I am interested to understand what it is that you see.


Alex

[dbowie]

Alex, I have never really thought that hard about where I stood in the whole Left Center Right thingy and to be honest Im still not convinced I need to be. As a primer I left it open ended intentionally so as not to put forward or project my view upon any one given issue, I provided a sampling of channels covering subjects like immigration, feminism, religion, media manipulation, new world order and normal peoples everyday struggles impacted by these and other situations, some Aussie view some World view. The strange and sometimes bizarre interaction between individuals and groups and how they either choose dialogue or refuse opposing platforms with silence or hostility and how debates/ arguments are augmented or justified with either fact, fantasy, emotion or a mix of all. I wasn't actually trying to determine the philosophical or psychological standpoint but It definitely is an interesting and valid segue. Also the terminology and new wording/ rebranding had me Bing search on many occasions...I invited discussion tentatively..that was the point...

[Astrophe]

Hello Alex.

As it happens, I had a very enjoyable day, yesterday.....I guess it's just that I don't like being lectured by those who believe that didactic statements are a substitute for real argument. IMHO Wavy needed a good kick in the you know where, so he got one. If I overstepped the mark (forum rules), then I apologise. My comment certainly wasn't aimed at you, Alex.

[xelasnave]

Good Morning Brenton
Thank you for explaining things for me.
Well for my part, although you provide a wide choice, there is nothing I wish to comment upon.
Alex

[xelasnave]

Thank you for your reply.
I am happy you had a good day.
I wasn't suggesting you broke site rules and note I said I thought your response to Wavy was over the top.
By that I suppose I mean a more measured reply would not only been more polite but perhaps more effective.
And although not aimed at me unfortunately I felt driven to say something that may have caused you to discuss things in the future such that it would assure me , that you were indeed having a good day.

The reason the moderators often let us bend the rules is probably because discussion is usually friendly. Any hint of a potential fight see the thread removed.

My belief is one can argue and remain pleasant.

Thank you again.
Alex

[ZeroID]

Read ' No is not enough' Naomi Klein ...

[xelasnave]

What is her message Brent I can't see myself finding and reading the book..
.
Alex

[xelasnave]

I have read some stuff sufficient to make me think I now know her message.

I think diffently.
Engaging Trump via her suggestion plays the games as he wants it played.
Whilst the confusion rains I suspect he is left to promote his agenda.

Alex

[Astrophe]

Alex, I responded in kind to the post in question. It was my view....I got the vibe....that Wavy was trying to be too smart by half. If you wish to be a Mod, then perhaps you should apply. Cheers.

[julianh72]

A fascinating article - thanks for bringing this to my attention!

For what it's worth, I got the correct answer on the first version of the test - but that's a "non-political" version (unless you're a lobbyist for - or against - the pharmaceutical / snake-oil industry!)

It would be interesting to see how I would have done if I was presented with "Version D" (which indicates that Gun Control does not work)? Would my numeracy outweigh my socio-political views? Hard to say - because of course, you can't "un-learn" the right answer to this test, once you've seen it.

[julianh72]

Aah, yes, Schopenhauer!

MRS. HENDY: Oh! I never knew Schopenhauer was a philosopher!
MR. HENDY: Oh, yeah! He's the one that begins with an 'S'.
MRS. HENDY: Oh.
MR. HENDY: Umm, like, uh, 'Nietzsche'.
MRS. HENDY: Does 'Nietzsche' begin with an 'S'?
MR. HENDY: Uh, there's an 's' in 'Nietzsche'.
MRS. HENDY: Oh, wow. Yes, there is. Do all philosophers have an 's' in them?
MR. HENDY: Uh, yeah! I think most of 'em do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa0bCzwSNA0

And if you want to watch a really good YouTube video about Philosophers, there's always this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNBy1D1Y0h4

[dbowie]

Alex Im not trying to be overly judgemental and please dont take this the wrong way, I welcome your input as the thread evolves and with respect to your choices and opinions firstly you say you don't wish to comment on any of the subjects I have presented and then you do, namely feminism, Trump and the politics of both....:question:

[dbowie]

Quote: Alex

The reason the moderators often let us bend the rules is probably because discussion is usually friendly. Any hint of a potential fight see the thread removed.

I have spectated and been involved in a few inflamed topics and have yet to see intervention by the moderators in any way other than to let the thread resolve, I think they trust that we can play well together which makes them good moderators and this a good forum...

[xelasnave]

I read your post again and Wavy's following post.
I missed the "vibe" as you called it.

Are you a philosoper and disliked his negative reference to the irrelevance of philosophy as a general proposition, I wonder.

I could not then see what fired you up and after reading both posts again fail to see the vibe you say you felt...

And I liked you post and would have pushed a like button if available.:thumbsup:

I fail to see why you think Wavy was being too smart by half.

He was as I read it proclaiming the value of scientific method which arguably is the best thing we as humans have going for us.

Without the scientific method how can we crawl out of the superstition that in the past governed the way we observed the world.

Our discussion re Popper to my mind and at least for those of us who refreshed in our minds as to what he describes as science and what he said only has Wavy off slightly on one point , that science does not proclaim truth as such. ...but it certainly takes us very close to understanding how the world works with a clarity such that a layman would proclaim that indeed it shows us the truth.
Science remains humble and does not make that claim but let's face it science is accurate and exact.

Anyways I remain mystified what was this vibe you responsed to...

And what prompted you to suggest I apply to be a mod I don't get it.

I did not quote rules at you or express any interest in being a mod..you seem to have had another vibe, well that vibe did not serve you well..and to be clear I am not interested in such a job.

I asked what got you going is all so can you be specific and tell me what you decided to read between the lines.

Wavy impresses me as a man who clearly says what he means and has not ever left me with an impression that he is having a dig or holding back or weaving in a hidden meaning to his post.

Best wishes
Alex

[dbowie]

Quote: Alex..
As appealing as your proposal would appear we probably break the rules. No politics.

Quote: Alex..
Well proceed.
Perhaps present an opinion or observation and in so doing set the mood.

Quote: Alex..
That's not allowed either.
Alex

Alex, Im going to back out now and spectate hopefully the thread will evolve as intended without steerage. I feel like you are intentionally trying to hijack the thread by directing me on my next post being selectively blasé, passing judgement on contributors then apologetically explaining, therefore seesawing potential conflict ...If you have a point to make do so...Given this if you ever did become a moderator I would cease to contribute..

[xelasnave]

Well you should know from your observations here over the years before we have a political discussion someone may say...its against the rules...and then we proceed to discuss politics..:)

And true I encouraged you to make a point rather supportive I feel.

As to "that's not allowed either" I felt was humour and even if a poor attempt I would have thought you would recognise it a such.

Hyjack your thread.???.do you really believe if someone wishes to say something I somehow prevent them?

You present a very wide topic and offer no view and then say its my fault...are you serious or just trying to keep me biting...


Seriously I assure you I am not trying to hijack your thread...
Me make some point???
Make some point...read my posts and make a list.
Be specific if you want want a discussion...

I don't want to be a moderator but I guess what you are saying is that I have got under your skin and for whatever reason represent all that is wrong with the world...You obviously don't like me but seriously you would not contribute if I was a moderator???
Why because I am unfair? Why on Earth should you feel so ...whatever..by an old man like me.
I don't get it.

Look carry on.
I don't have a problem with you at all, I have made no judgement and apologised the very instant I perceived I had upset you...I am not out to upset you.

And as to my apology you say that is a tool I employ to make things ...what did you say.. See Saw.

I am surprised you have such problems with me...I have never said I am perfect ..Nor have I said I was wise...if you notice my comments about myself over my time here have been that I am a mug and not that smart. And I am not smart I recognise that .no big deal.

I must remind you of someone that you have had a problem with in the past maybe ..your little comments in your deleted post, did you delete it?.brushed with a focus on personal things absolutely irrelevant to any argument or discussion.

Look I don't wish to be the cause of your anguish but will close in saying I do like you, you seem very intelligent but please try not to get so upset.

I am me you are you we have differences..well I assume this because I don't know you and remember that you don't know me...that is not a big deal.

And if I sound as if I am talking down to you remember I am not.

You have a good day sincerely
Alex

[xelasnave]

Give me a while to edit some minor points above

[xelasnave]

Well my observation is the left are so obsessed with Trump and his failings they are indulging in running around in circles drubbing with hate when surely it would be best to ignore the personality of Trump and focus on offering policies ready for the next election.
Trump loves attention, he loves being outrageous and yet the left feed him by taking him seriously.
Why get upset by his tweets...
Focus on asking why he is not building the wall, why he is not coming good on the promises to his people ...there is no point preaching to the converted the lefts strategy should be causing his follows to reject him...but the way its going the left will be flat footed come by he next election.
All they have to do is drive a wedge between Trump and the folk who supported him because of some promise.
I think the wall is crazy but every day I would be asking when do we get our wall.
Alex

[AstralTraveller]

If folk are truly Left why would they be concerned about the next capitalist election? Aren't they supposed to be overthrowing capitalism, not participating in it? A real socialist government could never be elected in the USA (or Aust) anyway. Just look at how they nobbled that light pink Sanders.

Critically evaluate.

[Astrophe]

Alex, you have exhausted me....I couldn't possibly respond to everything in that post of yours, only to say that my attempt at humour appears to have escaped you. No worries, I enjoy reading your contributions and I was giving you a gentle ribbing, mate. No nastiness intended....Cheers for now, John.

[xelasnave]

My apologies I missed this post.
They say a woman is entitled to change her mind so I claim equal opportunity.;)

I was attempting to contribute in a more meaningful way which I had hoped would be more in line with the thrust of your thread.:eyepop:

Moreover let the confusion wipe away any notion you may have of me pretending to be wise.:)

Hopefully you will also find this evidence that I am not that smart.:)

I must say I am enjoying this thread but suspect you are winding me up.
I don't mind.
I just don't want to make you upset.

I visit another forum (supposedly a science forum) where they discuss all sorts of things and, unfortunately politics in the USA.

I am slightly concerned that politics, at least the side I am exposed to, just goes on and on, about Trumps bad behaviour , knowing rather believing he has them running around in circles such that effective opposition seems absent.

I don't like to see the office of president degraded and if that means saying the president is wonderful ( when he is not) in order to preserve respect for the office I don't care...I don't particularly like Malcolm but out of respect for the office I would never indulge in a personal attack on the man as it in a way to do so takes away from the respect of the office.

Again sorry I missed this.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Sorry I missed this also.

The moderators are champion here.

Some of my threads disappear and I have been participating in threads that disappear.

Never worries me or upsets me I am always happy with their call.

I enjoy the lack of fighting for fighting sake and enjoy not having to put up with profanity.

I like people to be kind and nice.

I don't like personal attacks as argument suffers.
A personal attack on me is such a waste of time, I don't care and usually feel.they leave so many of my bad points out.

I post to remind folk there are different folk like me running around unsupervised

And I have some wonderful news.
I can now type with the index.finger.of my right hand so my post can now be less cut down.

Alex

[xelasnave]

:)
Yes I am wrong....and that means I agree with what you say.

I use "the left" wrongly when referring to the Democrats...but others do this also I picked it up from an American site.

Proper left is of course Communism where control comes from revolution... If no revolution I think strictly. it can only be socialist.

But I am so out of depth, as with many things, with politics and cynically comment upon things I have little data on.

Alex

[xelasnave]

My.attempts at humour often if not always seem to be missed.

Anyways the main thing is I have worn you to a frazzle and that is all that counts...
This is.an attempt at humour. ...so having explained that you must reply with.a.roll on floor.smiley...
No you don't have to....

When a Real Estate agent I got many listings because the house owner realised that was the only thing to do to get me to shut up.

Well I bet the mods have given up reading this thread so we can get down to a nice political discussion...well you guys can as I said outta my depth.

Alex

[Astrophe]

There are as many definitions of socialism, as there are socialists. It's a fairly meaningless term. The big flaw with all forms of socialism, is that they take no cognizance of human nature, which is basically selfish and self-centered. With all of its faults (and they are many), at least capitalism uses human selfishness to constructive ends...well by and large it does. The Western liberal capitalist/pluralist state, has given us the highest standard of living ever achieved in human history. State socialism, is really a dead letter.

[Tropo-Bob]

Wonderful self-deprecating humour in the true Aussie style :)

[dbowie]

So 1020 views and this thread seems to have come to the end of its natural life. As I headlined in my Original Post it wasn't my intention to necessarily make a particular political point or debate the social landscape, it was to point out how although I was aware of information not being disseminated through normal everyday media channels I was amazed at the actual amount and obvious bias. I feel it has balanced my view of the world rather than defined my world views. Im sure most people were already aware of this or just not concerned but my eyes were opened for the cost of a $60 PM Optus NBN plan, hopefully I won't be branded an Alt Social Justice Warrior or somesuch, thnx...

[xelasnave]

Its Bank Holiday so maybe that explains the lull.
Off topic but try a search on utube for " crazy inventions" or " home made inventions " I suggest that may be an eye opener for you.
The different machines Russians come up with to cut firewood you need to see to believe. Peeling coconuts another.
Alex

[dbowie]

Sry, Nothin to see here folks..haha;)

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I also like to watch many different views. Even Alex jones for a laugh 😂. Sagon of Akkad, TLDR, Joe Rogan, are good, and I also quite like Rebecca Watson, Lacy Green, Kraut and Tea, Creationist Cat.

[dbowie]

Yes they take their entertaining shenanigans very seriously, how Gavin McInnes is still walking puzzles me haha, I kinda keep getting stuck at canadian hotty Lauren Southern, Izzat wrong, or "Right" :question: