What is your internet speed?

[Tropo-Bob]

My internet speed is 23.6 mbps for downloading, 4.8 for uploading.

I have recently transferred to NBN on the basic package.

Is this a good, normal or bad speed? (I really have no clue).

To find your speed, go to: speedtest.net (as said on yesterday's Sunrise program).

[speach]

My download averages 18.9 on NBN

[rally]

2.56 DL
0.72 UL
That second decimal point makes all the difference !!
No NBN coming

[LewisM]

Crap speed here...seems the politicians decided Cannot berry would get the update last so as to not show any perceived preference. :lol:

Not getting even half the speed we got in regional QLD ADSL. Telstra claims best they can do...which considering our node services RAAF Fairbairn and all the DoD installations and contractors out here screams volumes. Ah well.

[Wavytone]

Internode ADSL at home pretty consistent at 23Mbps down.

What really stunned me though was my iPhone6+ on Telstra frequently achieved 95Mbps down on 4G. So fast I often used it as a hotspot in preference to anything else.

But it was not cheap. Since switching to a lower cost carrier on the Optus network it has been pathetic but tolerable, usually around 5Mbps down.

[w0mbat]

Some of us on NBN Satellite who are with decent ISP's are doing quite well.
Most of the time I get around 24Mb/s down and 4.something Mb/s up.
We can stream good quality ABC Iview or SBS on demand at peak usage times with no buffering ever.
I am with IPStar. A neighbour with another ISP only gets around 1Mb/s down in peak times. The only variable is the ISP. Everything else is the same. I suspect that is the case with non-satellite NBN as well.
Ian

[The_bluester]

Up and down. I am on a congested NBN fixed wireless tower on a 50/20 plan (The upload is more useful to us than the down, though we currently only reliably get half of the /20!)

We see up to about 40/13 during the day and don to about 7/10 in peak Netflix hours. Apparently a tower upgrade on the way, but when you lodge a fault ticket on a known to be congested tower you still have to bend over and do pretty much everything but satisfy the naked vicar clause to prove that your equipment is not the problem.

Then they tell you that the tower is congested and that an upgrade is planned. Imagine all the time wasted by 200 odd households proving what NBN know already before they will tell you that they know it!

[el_draco]

Depends on how fast I pedal... but it seems the nbn is a lower case loser for most of us. 20kms outside a capital city and you are damned to use "skynet" dribbling at half the speed of ADSL....

Negative Progress... Ya gotta love it! :screwy:

[doppler]

Just got this from my ISP (I haven't complained they have done this on their own initiative).
The only improvement for me is that I don't have to pay line rental to Telstra any more and I've got unlimited downloads for a lower price overall.



Important Notice about your NBN Speed







As a valued TPG customer, we want to make sure that you're getting the most out of your NBN plan which is why we've undertaken a review of your sync speed.

Your sync speed (line connecting to the NBN) = 6.68 Mbps

TPG is a reseller of NBN Co and therefore we have to operate within the constraints of the NBN network. In your case, there could be a couple of reasons why you may be disappointed with the speed you're getting:

1. NBN Co delivers your NBN connection using Fibre To The Node which can be affected by the length and quality of copper cable going into your premises.

2. NBN Co is running an 18 month transition period after your local area has gone live with the NBN. During this transition period, your NBN connection may be running slower as it needs to co-exist with non-NBN services in your area. Your NBN connection may improve after the transition period.

Did you know that you always have the option to downgrade to a lower speed NBN plan? If you wish to do this, please contact our Change of Plan team at 1300 920 158 (8am-9pm weekdays or 9am-6pm weekend, Sydney time).

If you're satisfied with your current plan and wish to remain as is, no action is required.

Kind regards,
TPG

[Shano592]

I don't feel so bad now..

I'm on FTTN with Telecube. They are currently using either Vocus or Wideband for their backhaul. Preference is for Wideband, as they don't have Vocus' congestion issues. It can be asked for, if in an area that supports it (so I did).

My speed is currently 58.5/28.4. It dips a little during afternoon and evening peaks, but not noticeably.

Also, I have 1000GB to play with per month. Netflix for me is not counted in this amount. I might be lucky to use 10% of this.

[Camelopardalis]

Not NBN here, but inner Brisbane on cable I'm getting 100 down, ~2 up. No matter how many times I test, the 100 is flat and consistent, so looks like it's being throttled.

[glend]

Even if you had fibre to your house in most cases (if your within a couple hundred metres of the node) it is not going to make any difference to the speed you receive. The issues, as always, is network design. Every network is designed to handle a certain throughput, not to max out every possible connection speed. The devil is in the muxing design, how many user circuits are competing for high speed packet space. The exchanges are designed for a certain 'arrival rate', and the equipment has a service capacity that is based on a model. Standard queuing theory stuff but at a high speed. Some people may get bufferred temporarily until packet space is available, sometimes there are timeouts and discards requiring retransmit. All if this affects the speed you see. Speedtest does not map the intermeadiate routing, you get no information about how many hops your test has made. Each hop is a potential delay factor. The use of mostly capital city test servers is likely to disadvantage regional or country testers, but in the real world being outside a major city can have session advantages due to city traffic congestion. When my daughter wants to fight for popular concert tickets on Ticketek, she gets me to login and establish a session from my place. I have no problems getting a session, even on the day Adele tickets went on sale. Her problem is she is queuing for space in city exchange hops whereas i have almost direct routing (two hops as far as i can tell) and there are less competing for space. So there are many factors affecting your performance.

[LewisM]

I really don't give 2 tosses about internet speed though - much more to do than stream videos and the like. Read a book. Make a model. Talk to my wife and kids. Go outside and look up.

Just saying. I am sure there are other priorities, but I personally don't care about it. I have what I have - it is still enough on average to watch an HD movie, but if it doesn't, I can watch in lower quality if I am so inclined.

These first world problems we face huh? :)

[Shano592]

I am finding the same.

When it arrived, the speed change from ADSL was sensational. That wears off, as it really is a novelty. I watch the occasional YouTube video, otherwise I am mostly offline.

Now my attention is on proper offline things. Playing more guitar, straight razor shaving and honing, and turning my mind to a little more astrophotography.

[Shano592]

Yeah, a huge amount of factors.

And companies like Vocus, NBNCo and the like dole out this information in tiny bitelets, if at all. Or they just tell you that things are great, and the problems exists between the keyboard and chair (a PEBKAC error, as anyone in the computech fields would know it).

[Atmos]

My house internet maxes out at about 8/2 but from my kitchen that drops down to maybe .6/.1 haha

[Renato1]

My NBN speeds are the same as yours, and it lets me receive Netflix High Definition without a problem, and I'm happy with it. I can't think of anyone who pumps out something to download at 100Mbps.

That said, I used to be on Optus Cable with supposedly 100Mbps at my old address seven years ago, and that was pretty hopeless. All my browsers were choked on downloads to between 50 and 100Kbps. I had to use an Internet Download Manager to circumvent the choke so that I could download at much higher speed. When I first moved here and was on ADSL2, except for at around the 6pm to 8pm evening period, the ADSL2 was better in my browsers than the supposedly high speed Optus Cable had been at my old place.
Regards,
Renato

[raymo]

My new NBN started out very variable, with peak times dropping as low
as D 3.1Mbps and U 4.2, but it seems to settling down for some reason,
and now peak times are around 12 to 15, which I am o.k. with.
raymo

[LewisM]

I just ran a test...results are what I expected. Supposedly ADSL2+...more like dial up :rofl:

6.97 Mbps download

0.32Mbps upload

:eyepop::lol::eyepop::lol: YAY Telstra and CANBERRA! LOL

[Kunama]

As long as my computer works faster than I can type then all is well.....

[LewisM]

That's the way I look at it too Matt. Doesn't bother me a jot.

[dbowie]

Regional SA Optus Wireless Broadband 3-5 Mbps but dropouts and inconsistent..Optus/ NBN fixed wireless being installed tmora morn, NBN tower plain sight 1k away only dozen or so users so be interesting to see if it gets to stated 12Mbps...

[Wavytone]

Interesting.

Increases my suspicion that many might be better off not using NBN at all and using a wireless connection via their mobile phone, buy turning it on as a hotspot.

When it's our turn to be NBN'd I think I'll probably decline to sign up and instead go back to Telstra's mobile network. Cheaper and much better.

[Astrophe]

I'm located in Wollongong NSW and my ISP is Dodo (NBN). These are my results using Telstra's speed tester:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 23382 kbps (2922.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4791 kbps (598.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 9 ms
Jitter: 0 ms
Packet Loss: -1%
26/07/2017, 5:00:46 pm

[Exfso]

I am with Idiots Net. IINet and get reasonable speeds when it is connected, but it keeps dropping out, I am 150metres from the Node and in the last fortnight it has dropped out 50 times that I am aware of. You cannot get any sense out of IINet, so it looks like I am going to join the long list contacting TIO.:mad2:

[Atmos]

:thumbsup:

This is what I do most of the time. Most of my interesting is done on my mobile where I average 45/20!!! Near 10x what I average on the home intent connection. The best I ever got was ~65/40 in Hawthorn one afternoon about three years ago.

[LewisM]

Your auto-corrects are epic (to coin a modern wank phrase) :rofl:

[rrussell1962]

16.4 mbps down 0.78 mbps up on ADSL2+ Can't think of a single reason to move over to the NBN white elephant.

[Star Catcher]

I'm one of the lucky ones. Never want to see the NBN my way. I'm on cable and at 8.30pm tonight I get 96 mbps and 1.75 upload. On good night I hit 115 mbps

Ted

[Marke]

Just checked my bigpond cable
115Mbps down
2.4Mbps up
Got top be happy with that :)
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6486634641.png

[rmuhlack]

I have nbn FTTP here. 94 down, 38 up for me.

[Wavytone]

In that case you share a fibre with about 10 neighbours. Wait till your neighbourhood fills up and watch the speed plummet, especially with a few teenagers downloading torrents 24 x 7.

[Larryp]

9.81 download and 1.88 upload this afternoon on ADSL2. But it can be much slower during peak usage times-on rare occasions it can be unavailable for short periods.

[PCH]

Taking aboard the results seen here, it's hard to imagine any other sphere in which, after paying for the same thing and the good provided can vary so much, nothing is done by the authorities.

Kind of like buying a train ticket from A to B and what you might get is anything from a ride in the back of a rickety horse drawn jallopy to a trip on concord, depending on what day it is or some other random criteria.

An article on the TV this morning shows they're all over Tiny Teddies which, it would seem, theyve been manufacturing a bit smaller than they've been admitting!!

But for ripping off the vast majority of the nation with third world Internet, - nada!

On reflection, I shouldn't disrespect the third world so flippantly. You can get on a bus in downtown Kigali (Africa) and get free wifi that eclipses what we pay thru the nose for here!

[julianh72]

Depends how much data you want each month.

I have 2 GB of data per month on my $20 4G mobile plan. Additional mobile data costs me $10 / GB if I go over the 2 GB cap - most of the time, 2 GB is plenty for my mobile needs, and I find it cheaper to just pay out the extra $10 every once in a while, rather than moving up to a more expensive plan with higher monthly charges (e.g. 9 GB of data for $50 / month).

However, we use 500 - 750 GB of data / month at home - I shudder to think what that would cost on 4G mobile data rates!

My mobile connection is often (but not always) faster than my 30 / 30 Mbps FTTP landline connection (symmetric upload and download speeds; NOT supplied by NBN), which costs me $100 / month. We can go to higher speeds at additional cost if we want, but for now 30 / 30 Mbps is fine. A key advantage of FTTP is that it is ALWAYS 30 Mbps up and 30 Mbps down, we never see any congestion or fluctuation. The 4G speed varies a lot depending on where you are in the house (obviously you would pick a good location if you are going to hot-spot your mobile connection as your primary internet connection), weather conditions, time of day, etc.

[julianh72]

That's not really an issue if you're on FTTP, only with the various other technologies provided under the Multi-Technology Mix that the LNP version of the NBN is providing.

On GPON FTTP, each fibre supports a maximum of 32 residences (typically fewer). The fibre has a nominal bandwidth of 2.5 Gbps (each way - up and down), which works out at around 77 Mbps per premises (upload and download simultaneously), assuming all 32 users are maxing out their lines at once. You'd have to live in an apartment block full of hard-core torrenters to see a blip on a 100 Mbps FTTP connection.

On FTTN, each node shares a fibre typically across a couple of hundred houses, and can support up to a maximum of 384 per node. You've got the double-whammy of sharing the same bandwidth with a lot more residences AND the technological speed limits of the "last mile" of copper (probably a couple of hundred metres in most cases).

While the NBN only offers 100 / 40 Mbps as the current top tier, FTTP can scale to Gbps speeds (and beyond) without any major upgrades in the network. (Gbps FTTP is already available as a commercial product through much of Asia and in New Zealand for example.) FTTN can't even deliver 100 / 40 Mbps speeds to most residences (because of the length of copper line), and doesn't offer an upgrade path to Gbps speeds.

Sends your complaints to Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott.

[Regulus]

My NBN goes from as high as 11Mbps to under 1Mbps.
Unlike my old pre-nbn connection, Netflix can stagger around waiting to load now.
The fibre to the node sucks, and I don't understand why some have it all the way to their house.
A friends street had every house connected with a fibre and termination box without asking. They just rocked up and attached it to the houses. No consultation with owners.
Mine is over the old copper wire and not as good as my old service.

this is the daily average over a week

Trev

[LewisM]

Mine averages at 60% below the network average every day.

We can and do watch Netflix in HD - JUST.

[julianh72]

That's the LNP's MTM (Multi-Technology Mix) which replaced the original FTTP plan - it's supposed to be delivered "sooner, cheaper and more affordably" (25 Mbps promised for every household by 2016, and 50 Mbps to 90% by by 2019).

Unfortunately, it isn't being delivered sooner, or cheaper, or more affordably - and it's demonstrably a lot worse than FTTP.

And the promise of optional "technology choice" (where you can opt to upgrade from whatever is built in your neighbourhood to a better product, such as FTTP) has also turned out to be vapour-ware - in most cases, you simply can't get it, and if it is offered, it is generally for an outrageous quoted price of some tens of thousands of dollars. (They actually charge you $660 just to prepare a quote, IF they deem that your property is eligible for the "switch".)

[The_bluester]

the only way I could put it better is that Tony Abbott publicly and openly directed Malcolm Turnbull to "Demolish the NBN" and he seems to have succeeded spectacularly. FTTN is the central plank of the demolition job.

Regards the bottlenecks that Glen mentioned in his post. Most are irrelevant in the case of FTTP or even FTTN NBN (Provided that NBN builds enough bandwidth into the nodes) Currently the problem areas are, FTTN performance being hugely variable, exactly as you would expect when the use of old copper of laregly unknown age and quality and of hugely variable line length is part of the mix. After that, the biggest issues people are running into is the pricing model. That one I don't know if you can blame the ALP for or not but it came about when they were in office. To explain that, there are two charges to connect a customer to the NBN. the AVC (Which basically pays for the physical connection, think of it as line rental) and the CVC, bandwidth. MANY MANY service providers (With the biggest and best known ones being prominent here) skimp in CVC as it is expensive. Skimp on CVC and every one of that service providers customers suffer from peak time congestion when required bandwidth exceeds that bought from NBN. Then there is backhaul from the NBN to your own providers network, and plenty skimp on that too.

Not enough people on NBN HFC yet I think to say how that is going to perform, though their installation history is poor. Fixed wireless performance suffers from success ballast and many towers are congested with upgrades slow to come (I am waiting for one on the tower we are on, speeds have fallen from 35/15 ish in peak times to 10/10 or worse) Satellite I don't know a lot about, except that they had software stability issues at least at one stage.

[The_bluester]

TL;DR for the above, currently the biggest performance issues seem to be variable performance of FTTN (Where they in fact can now blame end user equipment and wiring as well as the inherently variable nature of FTTN) and RSP's cheaping out on backhaul or CVC.

[Camelopardalis]

I think it's all too easy to blame the politicians. Hey, why not? :lol:

As an outsider, it's maybe easier to see the challenges to any broadband roll-out in Australia. Geography and population distribution being the main clincher. That in turn makes it costly, and subject to inconsistent performance.

I lived in the UK when they were doing a similar thing and it cost an absolute fortune to roll it out, took more years than it should, and end users still bleated about the performance. 10 years later, you still get people dissatisfied with their 8Mb or less if they're not covered by 21CN. Over there, FTTN is usually pretty good (40+Mb), but considering the population density you're usually no more than about 50 yards from the node box.

[LewisM]

I would have rather seen our tax dollars going into the environment, education, sciences, medicine...you know, important things.

Nope, we need to spend billions so Joe Blogs can watch the footy live in HD or download a bootleg Game of Thrones. Honestly, who gives a sheet???!!!

[dbowie]

NBN Fixed Wireless installed this morn $60 mth unlimited Optus 12Mbps tier. I have paid a fortune in past 6 yrs on internet/phone, watching crap commercial TV only dreamed of streaming for my entertainment and business . Wireless router connection with MacBook right next to router averaged out at 5-6Mbps, wireless disabled and Ethernet connected 11.5 constant, good argument for home network connection as opposed to relying on WiFi in house. Netflix Iview SBS OnDemand Youtube streaming no probs even with WiFi all 4 devices on update download, Im pretty happy...:thumbsup:

[AndrewJ]

Just like the Murray basin plan????
No matter where you put big money, someone somewhere is going to be making a killing from milking it.
Wonder what pollies/public servants/businessmen are getting the biggest spinoffs???

Andrew

[The_bluester]

One of the primary differences between the UK FTTN rollout that was carefully ignored when the NBN was forcibly changed to it was that density difference that means the average distance to node in Aus would be in the hundreds of meters, not tens.

However, everyone does ignore when pushing for FTTN that while our population density is far lower then Europe (For instance) taking the population density of the country as a whole is very misleading. The vast bulk of the population which were originally to be covered by FTTP (93% originally) are almost exclusively clustered in the highest population density areas in the country, which are close enough to radically change from the "Super duper low density" picture that is used to say it is all too hard, but not close enough to make FTTN more than a "Good enough for 2010" stopgap. Comparing apples with apples we are a lot like NZ density wise and after being used as another poster child for FTTN construction, they changed over to FTTP instead, exactly the opposite of what we have done.


To those who say "So you want to be able to watch Netflix" I say you are seriously missing the bigger picture, and that is exactly how the LNP like it. Early on in the piece I was able to work comfortably from home at least one day a week, with the tower congestion where I am I can't rely on doing that now. Telecommuting should have been a reality under the NBN but it is staying a pipe dream, you want more money poured into environmental stuff, just imagine how many thousands of car trips per week still being made that should not need to be.

"So you want to watch Netflix" also does not cover the likes of the work my mother does, she does a lot of typesetting and ad setup for a number of print publications, she used to have to drive into Melbourne to deliver a DVD with the magazine file on it (An hour each way, and still nearly faster than uploading it to the print houses FTP server) It is borderline but the fixed wireless makes it possible to do it online, AND everyone else in the house can still use the connection at the same time, with slightly degraded performance.

Those who just look at Netflix and content piracy are not doing a lot better than one of the sources of our problem, the then communications minister (Who I am not going to name) who at the start of the ADSL era when people started clamoring for it stated that people only wanted broadband for faster access to pornography. Video streaming and downloads, legal or otherwise are a very small part of the picture and while debate fixates on that, we sit back and watch while we drop down the rankings for connectivity.

[julianh72]

All of which would have been helped immensely by a proper FTTP high-speed National Broadband Network.

On FTTN? Not so much ...

[Camelopardalis]

It's politically sensitive...do you provide a service to all those who live in the dense population centres, neglecting the rural areas, just to keep costs down? Or do you plan to serve everyone, within reasonable bounds?

The difference in country towns and villages in the UK are that the residences are often clustered closely together. From what I've seen, that isn't always true here. With current technologies, it's still possible to get good speed several hundred metres away from node.

[RAJAH235]

I'm on the 25/5 Unlimited FTTN plan with OPTUS.

My avg. speeds are...

Last Result: Sydney.
Download Speed: 22259 kbps (2782.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4731 kbps (591.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 12 ms
Jitter: 2 ms
Friday, 28 July 2017 11:27:57 PM

The uploads in Feb/March/April/May were considerably higher at around
780 KBps to 870 KBps.

I've asked them why did they drop so much?
Apparently, they checked & reset the modem? in June, hence the slower uploads.

D/L are still in the 22000 to 24000 range, so all is good.

Just curious as to why they changed/capped my upload speed.

[toc]

Constant 100/40 speed here. On FTTP here, and it is amazing.

[Renato1]

I have a 100m long straight driveway, and due to issues, it took the workers about two and a half to three working days over a week long period to get the fibre-optic cable connected to the house.

Then a guy from the NBN came out and took pictures. Then a guy from Telstra connected us up.Then several months later, another guy came out and said he was there to install the fibre-optic cable ("Too late - it's already done").

Meanwhile, my neighbour has a 200m driveway, which parallels mine for a 100m, then does a 90 degree turn, then another 90 degree turn, then into a curve. It took the contractors nearly three weeks to finally get the fibre optic cable to his house, including cutting through concrete in his drive way, and repairing it.

It must have cost a fortune installing the fibre-optic cable in our area, assuming my and my neighbour's experience were fairly typical.
Glad it was free.
Regards,
Renato

[PCH]

So what decides who gets FTTP and who gets FTTN?

[PCH]

So how come you got all that expenditure for free, when other places - like mine - only get FTTN which is crapola at best?

[LewisM]

I take it that was tongue in cheek.

All those tax dollars sunk into it that could have gone elsewhere. We all pay for it, as will our children.

Bluestar, if you think that at least 80% of Internet use is not purely recreational, then I think you need to reassess the Australian demographic. I seriously doubt even 20% is business or government sector use for that matter. I understand business wanting faster Internet, but consumers literally do want it for their downloads, Skyping, Faceblurb, Netflix...

In the end, the NBN is a vote getter. Labor will sell Australia's soul to win seats (history repeats ad nauseum), and the LNP strips it to bare bones to at least only sell the rotting flesh.

Well, our Internet got even slower so complained to The Philippine Government...oops, I mean Telstra. They claim Line maintenance from July 20 to August 2. I claimed I need a partial refund for the month. We'll see.

[The_bluester]

That is why a very large portion of the originally planned FTTP build cost was coming from the access to houses from the street. IMO the currently evolving FTTC setup is likely to be the sweet spot (It did not really exist at the time the original architecture was conceived) so that 90+% of the population could get speeds which would be at least adequate to immediately foreseeable needs on completion and if you want more you can pay to have a fibre laid to your door.



It is pretty simple, the Australian electorate decided by electing the coalition in 2013. You can draw a straight line between cause (Election) and effect (FTTN) My employer was doing some design work for FTTP construction and more or less as soon as the election result came in, all new jobs stopped coming on the FTTP design work we were doing.



This is an infrastructure build which should be looked at in the light of a 50 to 100 year plan, it may well be 80% "Entertainment" use right now (I never said it was not, just that it need not be, but emasculating it with the FTTN build does help to make sure it will not be useful for better/other purposes)

If we take that attitude back to when the POTS (Plain Old Telephone System) was being constructed, who in the public needed a telephone? Telegrams worked perfectly fine for the 90% of households who did not have a phone. Why spend all that public money?

Roll on into the mid 90's. Why should the PSTN be co opted for internet services? 90% of households only use their phone line for calls.

Same again ten years or so later, who needs broadband, 28.8K to 56K dial up is all 90% of Australian households who are connected to the internet are using. To quote him properly this time, our comms minister of the day (Richard Alston) said of broadband “Well for example, people will tell you that pornography is one of the major reasons why there’s been a high take-up rate in South Korea. I haven’t confirmed that at first instance but I’ve been there, I’ve looked at what’s happening.”

At what point should we look forward in an infrastructure build to what is foreseeably needed within the operation life of the resulting asset rather than build Melbourne's Western Ring Road over and over again? That has been "Completed" for around 20 years and under major upgrade for at least ten of those when the studies of the time identified that foreseeable traffic volumes would max it out by about five years after it was completed (They did) and that building it properly the first time would be orders of magnitude cheaper than upgrading it over and over again. I travel it daily and have done for nine years, all bar about one of which have been through constant major roadworks. We are watching them widen a bridge that is not as long but is at least half the height of the West Gate Bridge at the moment. They left that bit out of the last "upgrade"

[Renato1]

I don't know. It just happened like that.
Regards,
Renato

[julianh72]

Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull's MTM - delivered "sooner, cheaper and more affordably".

[raymo]

My downloads anywhere near peak times are generally between
3 and 6Mbps, other times around 20-23Mbps. I must get around to
contacting iinet.
raymo

[Tandum]

I got a letter from NBN co this week saying they will be changing the telstra pillar over the back fence to an NBN pillar.

We're 14K from the Brisbane CBD and everyone here is speed limited to 4MBs on both ADSL1 and ADSL2. I can't get a reliable remote desktop to any of my clients.

I'm keen to see remote robotic surgery happening though the NBN. Hope they at least get a fibre link. We-re getting FTTN here.

[gary]

Hi Lewis.

That is not correct.

The NBN funding model is not paid for by tax.

Government's that have good credit ratings have a trick up their sleeve
which enables them to fund infrastructure without having to dip into the
tax pool.

They offer AAA-rated bonds to investors at some low interest rate,
such as 4%.

Then when the NBN, or rail network, airport or tollway or whatever
they are investing in starts to make a return - say they plan for 7% return
a decade or two down the track - then they buy back the bonds plus pay the
interest they promised.

You've forked out nothing except "IOU's" in the form of bonds, bought them
back plus paid interest from the profits you made plus you now own
that airport or tollway or broadband network plus it is making a profit
from then on.

Later, if you so choose, you can sell the entire piece of infrastructure
to private investors and put all that profit into consolidated revenue
to build schools or hospitals or pay social welfare.

And where this trick makes the most sense to perform is when interest
rates are very low. They've been at historic lows for quite a while.

So there is a counter economic and business argument that says it is
prudent to invest heavily in profit-making infrastructure at times such
as these.

Businesses do the same during these periods, that is take advantage
of very low interest rates to purchase plant and machinery to further
grow the business.

But Governments are lucky that they can write their own IOU's in the
form of bonds. I wish I could do it. :thumbsup:

Best Regards

Gary

[OzEclipse]

By way of comparison, I don't have a wired connection. I have a 5 year old Telstra 3G wireless mobile broadband hotspot. In suburban Canberra, I regularly get between 8 & 9 Mbps from this which is fast enough to do anything I want. I don't download movies.

I dipped my toe in the water with Vodafail 4G wireless broadband last year. They were spruiking that they had the fastest 4G speeds of any carrier.

On average, I got between 1Mbps and 3Mbps. Rarely getting up to 6Mbps.

Joe

[Tandum]

Joe, I regularly get 50MBs via my phone on Vodaphone up here. 3G is ****. Right now I'm getting 80MBs on 4G. You need to realise it's based on the number of time slots available on a channel at the time of use. If your near a major road or center like a shopping mall, Footy, Cricket, etc, speed will be crap during peak hours as time slots get used up. Also the higher frequency used in 4G means more time slots in the same amount of space. My son only rents in suburbs with FTTP. He's in a Northside suburb right now.

[julianh72]

If you're REALLY lucky, your phone line comes up from the back fence into your house, and you should in theory be able to get something close to 100 Mbps.

However, it's far more likely that your phone line comes in from the front fence, so the length of copper wire from the NBN FTTN node is anyone's guess. Best case scenario is that it runs up to the nearest corner and straight back to your front fence, so you might only have a couple of hundred metres of copper, so you might still get something in the 50 - 100 Mbps range (as long as the copper wire is in good condition).

Worst case scenario is that the copper meanders all over the suburb before it reaches your front fence, or you are connected to a different node altogether, and / or the copper in your neighbourhood is corroded and badly joined, in which case your maximum attainable speeds could be 25 Mbps or less.

Welcome to Malcolm Turnbull's Node Lotto - Australia's favourite high-tech high-stakes gambling game!

[OzEclipse]

Robin,

You missed the point of my post. I'm aware of how mobile broadband bandwidth sharing works. Those 3G speeds are fine for my modest use of the internet which is why I haven't gone chasing more speed. I'm not telling anyone to go back to 3G. I was pointing out that the NBN speeds being quoted are comparable to my old 3G technology mobile broadband and IMO totally unacceptable.

Joe

[Exfso]

Well I have handed over my debacle to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman. Since being connected I have had at least 130 dropouts that I know of and my download speed last night was to put it mildly absolute crap. IINet seem to be unable to do anything or refuse, whatever the case, I keep sending emails, get auto reply and that is it. My tasks are open for a few days then closed. In peak periods I am slower than adsl. See image. It has dropped out more than 20 times in the last 24 hrs as can be seen from the connection history. That was taken last night and since then already 6 times from 7.00am this morning.
I am 150metres from Node, and according to NBN tech my cabling is fine. I have had enough hence my opening a complaint with the TIO.

[04Stefan07]

14 down but only 0.8 up.

[Nikolas]

105 down 2.4 up Telstra cable here

[astronobob]

Just averaged 4 tests, 33mb down & 1.2mb up, Telstra cable, - old foxtel line put here in yr 2,000 or so !
Not complainin' :thumbsup:

We were on Adsl last yr and the previous 5 yrs before that with approx 4-5Mb down & 100-150kb up

[PCH]

Faaaaaark! We can only dream

[Nikolas]

Yeah it's pretty good however I'm in no hurry to change to the NBN considering the congestion issues.

[pjphilli]

I have just tested my internet speed on testmy.net.
Download 30.5Mbps, Upload 1.74Mbps. It is an Optus service via their old TV cable.
I have never encountered congestion.

I understand that NBN now owns this cable and so I may be kicked off it when my district is NBN Ready(??). I will set up a howl if/when this happens!
Peter

[Peter.M]

Heres mine, please dont throw stones at me.

[Exfso]

Who ya with Peter?, I am with IINet and I get that as well during the day, as soon as it gets around 8 pm until around 10pm it all turns to sh1t big time. They do not have anywhere near enough backhaul to satisfy their customer base during peak periods.
See what it reads around 9.30pm :DAs you can see there is a monstrous difference between peak time at 9.50pm and 12.40am. as shown in my two images...