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marc4darkskies
30-06-2017, 04:07 PM
As expected, seeng didn't cooperate to be able to gather more Lum this cycle. But, I did gather plenty of RGB (105, 105 120 minutes) and though the seeing wasn't good, I made it work!
As you can see, this is NOT a bland red neb.
45% full scale - screen sized
http://www.pbase.com/gailmarc/image/165743036/original
Full res for those who like to wade around and look at structure and image quality (<Cntrl-minus> and <Cntrl-plus to zoom out and in)
http://www.pbase.com/gailmarc/image/165743164/original
In the spirit of amusing but meaningless comparisons with outrageously large professional scopes :P:lol:, see here for a comparison with the ESO 2.2m in Chile.
http://www.pbase.com/gailmarc/image/165743636/original
The top one is mine, the middle one is a very red version taken through the 2.2m MPG/ESO telescope at the La Silla Observatory in Chile (reduced by approx 50%) and the bottom one is the same ESO image reprocessed by Rob Gendler to bring out some of the hidden colour - he left a few halos though! The ESO image clearly has more fine detail (of course) but the processing of it seems to miss much of the other faint structure and colour :shrug:.
All up, mine's not bad for a mere 8 hours of integration (under good to very good seeing) so I've decided NOT to gather NB for it because I doubt an NB rendition could could improve much on the impact of this rendition(?) Besides good conditions here are too rare to be extravagant with integration times! I may get some more lum next cycle though.
Marcus
Geoff45
30-06-2017, 04:20 PM
Your detail is very good Marcus and you've left these guys for dead in the processing. Well done!
Geoff
lazjen
30-06-2017, 04:54 PM
Great image and yeah you've done far better processing than those ESO images.
atalas
30-06-2017, 05:06 PM
Looks fantastic Marcus :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: ...prefer the screen size view because you can get the full impact and boy do I mean impact!!!
Wouldn't expect anything less from you....hope It gets you many accolades.
multiweb
30-06-2017, 05:21 PM
Pretty sweet Marcus. You've got the best colors of the lot. :thumbsup: The ESO has more fine details obviously. Not sure what happened with the Gendler rendition though... :shrug:
PRejto
30-06-2017, 05:30 PM
Pretty fantastic (and pretty)! So wonderfully detailed. It pops!
Peter
Placidus
30-06-2017, 05:58 PM
That's fantastic, Marcus.
Normally I really struggle to appreciate straight RGB, but this one is great.
Superbly done! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
gregbradley
30-06-2017, 06:16 PM
A lovely rendition. Love the colouring.
Greg.
Paul Haese
30-06-2017, 06:59 PM
Prefer the smaller version Marcus and the colour is nice. Another example of old favourites showing they have more than just boring red.
mountainjoo
30-06-2017, 09:05 PM
Really like this, far from the red blob often portrayed. The detail is superb.
marc4darkskies
30-06-2017, 09:26 PM
Thanks very much Geoff & Chris! I guess scientists at ESO have better things to do than process their images for aesthetic appeal. :)
Thanks for that Louie! As long as my peers think it's a good effort I'm a happy vegemite! :D I post the full res when the seeing is good because I think it reveals the maximum level of detail more easily than squinting at a small image. EVERYONE should post at full res, mm'kay!
Cheers Marc! Like I said above - the scientists probably have better things to do than to sit processing a single image for a whole day! I'm guessing Gendler used some colour data from another resource - with lower res. Just guessing though :question:.
Thanks a lot Peter!
Much appreciated M&T! I thought about doing NB before I realised this is not a bland red object at all. The nuances of colour in the LRGB are quite spectacular.
Thanks very much Greg!
Ta Paul.
Thanks Jerome! I've always believed that pure red nebs are quite rare - some just make you work harder to reveal their secrets! :bashcomp:
alan meehan
30-06-2017, 09:55 PM
Thanks for sharing Marcus wonderful detail
Atmos
30-06-2017, 10:07 PM
That's fantastic Marcus! When I did it with the Nikon D810 it showed some colour variation but no where near to the same extent as what yours does! Maybe I needed more than 1.5 hours to bring out that colour contrast?
Benchmark LRGB shot of the region :)
Ryderscope
30-06-2017, 10:09 PM
Lovely. Nicely resolved stars. Good detail.
Peter Ward
30-06-2017, 11:03 PM
What's not to like?
Great image scale, technical markers totally nailed.
One of the best renditions I think I've seen period....literally the cat's whiskers :)
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Stevec35
30-06-2017, 11:08 PM
Excellent detail and colour Marcus!
Steve
Great image Marcus. Top job:thumbsup:
strongmanmike
01-07-2017, 04:54 AM
Quite a nice result Marcus and yes.. you have processed it to show lots of colour..... for a red nebula ;) :thumbsup:
Oh yeah...ah huh, meaningless huh?...but ya still did it ;) :lol: a fun comparison.
Great job :thumbsup:
Mike
SimmoW
01-07-2017, 10:34 AM
Yep you've done an excellent job extracting good color out of this target. That Chile image? Wow, rather strong red eh!
Andy01
01-07-2017, 11:24 AM
+1 echoing Peter's comments - that is a brilliant, first class result, one of your very best imo. :bowdown:
Better than the ESO one as well ;)
marc4darkskies
01-07-2017, 01:24 PM
Thanks Alan!
Much appreciated Colin! I did more R, G & B than normal with 15 min subs and that helped draw out the fainter colour.
Thanks Rodney! We have to remember too that the full res image resolution is only 0.59 arcsec / pixel, so I was pretty chuffed to get tight stars at that scale! Seeing is everything!
High praise Peter - thanks very much!
Cheers Steve - glad you think so!
Thanks David!
Ta Mike. Let me know if you think it can be improved.
Hehe ... well I was pretty chuffed at the detail I got - and I found no other renditions on the web that got close, except the ESO image, so I thought that was worth demonstrating. Yep, a fun comparison in any case but I promise never to do it again! :lol:
Cheers Simon!
Thanks very much Andy! It's very encouraging to get this kind of feedback!
topheart
01-07-2017, 02:51 PM
Totally sublime Marcus!!
A dramatic rendition.About the best I have seen of this object - up close.
Congratulations!!
Cheers,
Tim
cometcatcher
01-07-2017, 05:37 PM
Lovely shot Marcus. The blues really make it nicer than my red version. I'll have to work on that next time.
marc4darkskies
01-07-2017, 10:01 PM
Cheers Tim! Glad you liked it so much. I like the drama too! :)
Thanks Kevin - I had plenty of colour data so when I did the combine the colours just popped out - no fuss.
traveller
01-07-2017, 10:37 PM
Stunning effort Marcus.
The full size file is just amazing.
Bo
Retrograde
02-07-2017, 10:50 AM
Absolutely gorgeous image Marcus. Don't believe I've ever seen a better image of this object. :eyepop:
I don't think the comparison with professional images is meaningless. It shows just what amateurs with skill and commitment are capable of.
marc4darkskies
02-07-2017, 05:38 PM
Thanks very much Bo!
Thank you kindly Pete!
Martin Pugh
03-07-2017, 09:40 AM
Very good Marcus. This object does have color variation and you have nailed it.
Clear skies
Martin
That is a nice job! Nice colouring and great detail.
marc4darkskies
03-07-2017, 06:10 PM
Thanks very much Martin! Very glad you think so! Unfortunately, the seeing I got for colour wasn't good, so it was a bit harder to process. I muddled through though. :D
Cheers Bart!
RickS
03-07-2017, 09:07 PM
A very tasty and tasteful rendition, Marcus! Great work with the subtle colouring.
marc4darkskies
04-07-2017, 08:43 AM
Thanks Rick! Buuuut ... :question: ... you weren't licking your screen by any chance were you? :lol:
Slawomir
04-07-2017, 08:57 AM
Wow, a splendid image. A very pleasing balance of colours that highlight interesting features yet you have managed to make it look natural. I would personally be a bit more gentle with noise reduction, nontheless this is a benchmark RGB image for this target for sure :thumbsup:
marc4darkskies
04-07-2017, 10:36 AM
Thanks very much Suavi! It's always very satisfying to achieve "benchmark" status. My goal with well known nebular objects is to make them look "new" by revealing detail and tonal nuance not seen in wide-field shots.
I don't think I was too bullish with the noise mitigation. My rule of thumb is to ensure that no detail is lost (I do lots of blink comparisons) and ONLY mitigate noise in low signal areas. Did you see any areas that you think are overdone?
David Fitz-Henr
09-07-2017, 06:11 PM
Absolutely brilliant image Marcus, must be one of the best of this object! Certainly as far as the colour data / processing is concerned :thumbsup:
Gee, I'm guilty of thinking this one was nothing but red.
Thanks for correcting me my knowledge with such a fine image Marcus. :)
marc4darkskies
10-07-2017, 08:41 AM
Thanks very much David!
Cheers Rob! Mission accomplished then! ;)
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