Thoughts on lamestream media's failure to cover return from ISS

[JaseD]

I watched in awe, the return of NASA astronaut Shane Kimbrough and Russian cosmonauts Sergey Ryzhikov and Andrey Borisenko, who touched down last night at approximately 2050 Australian CST after 173 days in space, on the ISS. Given the nature of the world today, where we are on the brink of war, you would think two nations who are "enemies" yet work together in space for the betterment of humanity, would rate as a news piece in lamestream media. I was utterly disgusted in our so called media outlets as they would rather cover some pseudo reality TV program about dating, than cover the return to Earth of true heroes of humanity.
I wonder if the human race is actually getting dumber not smarter?

Interesting thought, anyone care to add to the discussion?

[el_draco]

There's any doubt ? :rolleyes:

[xelasnave]

Well what do you expect? have any of the Kardasians been to the ISS?
I thank you for the news because your post was the first I had heard.

The human race is probably not getting dumber but we are probably getting older and so we start to notice the stupidy we once thought rare but now see as somewhat common.

The propaganda will flow until we all get the us and them attitude and realise any war in which we enter is fair and just and necessary for freedom and justice.

As to the bombs, be reasonable... If you had a box of fireworks would you not use them.


Alex

[JaseD]

True. I had a discussion with one of my wife's colleagues (A teacher in primary school) the other day and she said she is teaching this boring unit. I asked her what she was teaching and she said physics, motion and friction. I was gobsmacked... what hope does the next generation have when it comes to science education, with attitudes like this. :confused2::shrug:

Attitudes like the above are exactly why lamestream media deliver "news" about "fake stars" and not the actual stars.:mad2::(

[JaseD]

"I thank you for the news because your post was the first I had heard."
Most welcome. I was glad I got to tune in and watch it live, via the Internet. I saw an awesome photo from NASA which shows the Soyuz capsule, parachute deployed and the landing thrusters firing, it was awe inspiring.

"The human race is probably not getting dumber but we are probably getting older and so we start to notice the stupidy we once thought rare but now see as somewhat common. "
Interesting thought, with age does come wisdom and insight.

"The propaganda will flow until we all get the us and them attitude and realise any war in which we enter is fair and just and necessary for freedom and justice. "
Being ex-military, I see propaganda as the true enemy... it unfortunately gets the sheeple bleating, and gives the pollies all the ammo they need.

"As to the bombs, be reasonable... If you had a box of fireworks would you not use them. " :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl :


Cheers
J

[FlashDrive]

Without those subjects I would never had an opportunity to join the Airforce when I was 17. I remember quite clearly, I had to do a Physics paper / Mathematics / Basic understanding of Electronics - Ohms Law - Resistance and Induction and other Science subjects.

Nothing boring about it .. loved it all .... passed everything and was offered immediate enlistment ( after my Medical ) ... sign on the dotted line and your in.

These need to be taught otherwise what chance has anybody coming out of High School got for a future .... especially in Aerospace / Aviation Industries.

Col....

[JaseD]

Yep, whole heartedly agree, Col. I remember the tests to get into the Army. Frustrates the hell out of me when people sit there a say science is boring in one breath and in the next breath say oh what is "insert whatever pseudo star's name you so choose" up to now?

After leaving the A, I went to uni and now teach HS science and love physics and chemistry. I'm actually considering going back to do a Masters in astrophysics (for the love of it).

I don't have an answer for lovers of science, but we need to make STEM fun again and get lamestream media to change its ways.

J

[el_draco]

Consider yourself lucky if they are making an attempt at Primary level. I know secondary students who don't get a look in....:shrug:
I take some solace in the fact that we just had "Stargazing live". That was a good PR hit.

[xelasnave]

I think strangely TV shows may be the answer.
Apparently the TV show NCIS saw an upswing in interest in science.
If that was the case perhaps kids who indicated interest could be surveyed so it could be determined what stimulated their interest.

However fault often can be laid at the feet of the parents.
Now doubt kids now grow up with the parents setting the example of TV viewing...cooking shows etc make a list...but then do you blame the pigs for eating the swill that the farmer dishes out.

Obviously TV must be profitable and TV owes no moral duty other than to shareholders.

Things I would introduce would be interviews with say race car drivers and their engineers wherein they discuss how science and math are so important.

Promote stories of financial success stories of scientists who made a fortune through out history.

But someone , a government or a foundation is needed I expect.

Remember the shows of Prof J.S.Miller we need them as well and the latest effort by the ABC with the astronomy.

However I think the world is coming to an end so perhaps we should not bother.
Alex

[xelasnave]

What does tick me off is politicians all the time saying we are the clever country as if saying it will make it happen.
Paying teachers professional incomes could be a start.
Pay science teachers three times the normal teacher salary ... That would be an excellent start.
Alex

[FlashDrive]

I bet some of them don't know what this means ... V= I x R .... or ... I = V divided by R and ... R = V divided by I ....very simple equations for finding values in an Electronic Circuit.

What happens when a Magnet is moved in and out of a coil of copper wire.
What is produced in the Copper Wire... hint, It's called Induction .. but what is the result of this Induction

These are very simple questions a High School Science student should know... if taught properly..

BTW... I do and some of you will know the answers....and basic answers to.

I was taught this in Science class at High School in 1968 to 1969

Col....

[w0mbat]

"Obviously TV must be profitable and TV owes no moral duty other than to shareholders."
Isn't that the very essence of what is wrong with our society?
No industry should be able to act without regard for all the consequences of its actions.
Ian

[xelasnave]

We are in a market economy.
The market rules so it is difficult to do what is best.
It makes no semce to have so many car manufactures each with multiple models and to change those models each year but the market says it must be that way.
Education is even driven by the market.
We export education which is wrong in my view.
Alex

[Boozlefoot]

But I thought TV made EP's?

[el_draco]

Well said, except that station/network owners respond to demand. Nobody watches, no return on investment. So, in reality it is the consumer who dictates what is on the idiot box.... or so the fairy tale goes.

Now, who is going to own up to watching choice garbage like "The Dim Sims" or "Modern Fallacy" for example? Or, maybe the local content ratings grabbers such as, "The footy drones" etc etc etc ad infinitum :screwy: (I have my flame proof suit on by the way)

If you attempt to vet content, its called censorship and the nanny state...
Drones win. :shrug:

[Mosc_007]

You sound like you are from the younger generation.

The older text books all have E = I x R

I was amazed it was changed when I saw an apprentice use V instead of E. E is the abreviation for Electromotive Force.

Why did they change E to V but left I and R.

Should it be V = A x O

Volts, Amps and Ohms.


Charles

[Boozlefoot]

Jace/Alex/Wombat/Ron

I totally agree with your sentiments. We should also put to question not so much the quality, but the ability to influence societal change with the current run of "reality" programs. In my days, being found DUI was not "normal" or even humorous as 'RBT' makes out. Marriage was a sacred trust between two people, not something to be altered or disregarded as "The Switch", or whatever it is makes out. Whilst the programmers may regard these as to be 'entertaining' people, I have no doubt whatsoever that they are lowering peoples moral standards and ethics to a degree which is not acceptable. Then again, maybe I'm just a grumpy old man?:rolleyes:

[FlashDrive]

I grew up as a kid / teenager in the 60's ... more like older generation.

As for your question regarding the above .... I was taught that V is Voltage / I is Amps and R is resistance.

Your equation above is valid ... the ' letters ' have just been changed ... why, I don't know.... in fact I didn't know they had.

I asked my daughter this question .... what is 2 1/2 % of $40.00 .... she couldn't tell me by working it out in her head....I have seen ' checkout ' staff unable to count back your change.

BTW.... the answer is $1.00 ( 10% of $40 is 4 / 5% of $4 is 2 / 2.5 % of $2 is $1 .... easy

What's happening in our schools today ... ?

Col

[FlashDrive]

I'll put my hand up also .... that is so spot on .....I'm a grumpy old man to , sometimes.

Col.

[casstony]

I think this may be closer to the truth; we're on our way to being grumpy old men :)

Journalism has been corrupted in recent decades making much of the media untrustworthy. There was a time when publishing material without doing proper research would be unthinkable.

[Kunama]

Today it is about getting maximum viewers at a given time, facts will only confuse the issues....

[el_draco]

Whadya mean, "on our way"! :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2: :sadeyes:;)

[FlashDrive]

:lol: ... it's coming Rom faster than you think.... doesn't matter how much you dodge and weave It'll catch yah ....!!!

Col... ;)

[MortonH]

The first humans to Mars will be part of a reality show.

[Exfso]

Yep I am turning into a grumpy old fart no doubt about it. It is a wonder the younger generation don't all have scars on their foreheads from walking into objects, you rarely see someone walking without their eyes glued on the phones, how they see where they are going is beyond me.

I was at a pub a couple of months ago and this group of young people rocked up, 6 to be exact and they sat at a table, and not a word was said that I heard, for an hour all they did was fiddle with their phones, probably they were talking to each other via this method. So much for verbal intercourse. :shrug:

[el_draco]

... and the radiation will fix the other kind so we wont have to deal with their off-spring, one hopes. :P

My 15 year old son tried the, "I am to busy to communicate other than by mobile", trick... once! You'd be amazed at the reaction you get when they see their gadget pinned to a post with a six nail. :rofl:

He was back to "normal' a few days later. :D

Nope, I don't rate that as being over the top grumpy; I call it being in charge, and consistent. ;)

[Exfso]

Rom, I love the 6" nail trick, nearly fell off my chair laughing. Excellent stuff...:thumbsup:

[casstony]

Kids glued to their damn phones drives me nuts. More than once I've threatened to hit the phone with a hammer.

I raised the topic of this thread over dinner last night and was informed by my wife (a psychologist) that IQ tests used in the profession are updated every 10 years to account for increasing intelligence, a phenomenon known as The Flynn Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

[casstony]

If that's what it takes to get public support for the mission I'd be ok with a reality show.

[Sconesbie]

Hmm. I used to work for a local television network broadcasting a national signal. Name will go unmentioned.

Over the last twelve months (I left six months ago) I have found that the news is being gradually filled with what could be easily mistaken for paid commercials. Having what's hot at Coles and Woolies this week, buying trends with retailers with interviews and showcasing large multi nationals, insurance companies, rating washing powder and energy drinks, Choice Magazine having their two cents worth and so on. It is getting very much like Today Tonight and A Current Affair. Thankfully the local Tasmanian content is still news worthy but the national news is getting worse. So what we see on the Sunrise and Today shows gets repeated on the morning shows, then on the morning news, on the afternoon news, on the afternoon variety shows and then again on the nightly news. By six o'clock,, if you've watched tv all day, you've seen the same thing four or five times and is no longer news.

The same goes for the floods last week. Yes, very devastating but why do they need to "brave" the wild and windy weather just to make themselves look cool that they were in the storm as it came through. Eggheads! Plus showing the same images over and over again and giving us the casualty and death tolls like it's a game show.

Anyway rant over. Sorry.

To touch on the point of showing stuff from the ISS and so on, I have observed quite a bit of content from the said query on our news service over the last 18 months. I am not sure if it comes nationally or as a local item to fill some void in the bulletin. Either way, I like seeing it.

[AussieTrooper]

Given that the current plan is for a one way trip, you'd have to think very, very carefully about allowing cameras in there.

[el_draco]

I've been a teacher for longer than I care to remember.... Flynn obviously never worked in a school. The plunge in intellect I have witnessed both directly and in the world at large is breathtakingly obvious.

[el_draco]

I suspect most people wouldn't dare stand up to their kids these days but, IMHO, parenting is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship; and I am the head tator.

I can still face down the 15 year old, even if he looks me square in the eye when I do it. ;) I've got three sons, three real men. I wouldn't tolerate anything else. :thumbsup:

[sil]

And they'll be young, fit and beautiful. Not a grumpy cripple like me.. and they'll bleat on about inequality and harmony while discriminating against everyone not young, fit and beautiful who would never even be considered for a chance to go into space.

[AussieTrooper]

Agreed. I stopped watching the news a couple of years ago.
Genocide in Syria rates a short mention every now and then, but someone calling an AFL footballer a bad name is apparently important enough to warrant a weeks long saga, with long segments and interviews.

[FlashDrive]

Dash, that means I could have gone :P

Col ;)

[xelasnave]

I am not looking forward to getting old.

Alex

[sjastro]

Your wife should try reading the comments section for any online "The Australian" article.

[casstony]

I suspect you're looking at the more ignorant and arrogant subsection of an already limited subsection of the population who read The Australian. I dare say most intellectuals wouldn't waste their time looking at that paper.

You can find opinionated, arrogant, idiotic comments everywhere that don't necessarily represent the wider community.

[Boozlefoot]

Many, many moons ago as a mere sprat I recall watching the moon landing with all my classmates. Was this the first reality show? Maybe they can do the same for this Mars expedition, but include all training etc etc as a several years long series. However, I fear this would detract from the importance of the mission and the viewing public would regard it as being as relevant as "My Kitchen Rules" or similar.............

[pmrid]

I used to watch Ch (between 8-10) over their main commercial rival. There was a real qualitative difference. There was actually news on it.

But in the past year that has switched around to the point that my once preferred news service is even worse that its rival. Someone introduced a new business plan or something - sell adverts as news. Commercials dressed up as news seems to account for a third of the news on that channel now. The rest is "man bites dog" stuff blended with ëxclusive breaking news on how pensioners can avoid getting ripped off on their ????? (add your own here), the best suburbs for buying a house, anything that an advertiser would pay for. There is no news worth a darn any more.

The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket and the best our news services can do is which footballer was called a bad name, which star has bigger implants and matters of similar earth-shattering importance.

The one-upon-a-national broadcasting service now leans so far to the feminist left it is a joke, the once-independent-ethnic broadcaster now has as many commercials as the rest.

I now watch about 30 minutes at most a day. For the rest, my TV sits unused entirely.

Peter

[sjastro]

My post was mean't to be a joke.

[w0mbat]

"The one-upon-a-national broadcasting service now leans so far to the feminist left it is a joke"

From any extreme the centre is indistinguishable from the other extreme.
Ian

[clive milne]

I think of it more as a 'kleptocide'... for those interested in what I mean by that, google: Genie Energy board of directors / Golan Heights / Rupert Murdoch.

For a genuine genocide, you need look no further than the contemporary history of Palestine.


And for those still listening to the MSM crying wolf...
Here's the alleged crater from yet another nerve gas attack in Syria:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Figure-2.png

Clearly the result of an IED and NOT ordinance delivered by the Syrian air force as claimed.

Meanwhile, NATO's illegal war of aggression in Syria and Iraq racks up hundreds (sometimes thousands) of civilian casualties a month... that never get mentioned.

Anyway, back to my cornflakes.

[xelasnave]

Clive did you hear we are under thread from North Korea... Seems we are in range.
I call upon "them" to act before the North Koreans attack.
Alex

[xelasnave]

I always like to see the positive in everything.
When in real estate it was a game we played to be uplifting in our descriptions...so over priced would be ...not entirely competitive in the market at this point...dead end road..quiet cul de sac...that sort of thing.

So where is the positive in the ME?
They at least provide BS that enables us to ignore the horror and remain totally insensitive to the death and destruction.

And provide good reason to believe killing by bombs is really OK but use chemicals and well that is just criminal.
As if there was a nice way to kill someone..
Give me the chemicals so by body parts are kept in one place and not have to wonder how I am still alive with my bottom half gone or the like.

But I am starting to think it is the oil guys not the tribe that you suggest..

Its terrible whatever way you look at it...

Alex

[clive milne]

Excellent point Alex... what's the body count up to now?

Well over 20 million in wars fought against 37 victim nations the US has managed to initiate or participate in since the end of WW2.
(And I am not suggesting these were for the benefit of the US.... these are wars for corporate greed)

How many failed states have been created?

How many brutal psychopathic regimes and narco-terrorist juntas have been enabled?

How can anyone argue that concern for human rights is a plausible pretext for bombing an entire nation back to the stone age?
Did destroying the social infrastructure... the hospitals, power stations, water supplies and economies of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria etc) serve any purpose... at all?

How is it that the opinion shapers of this world, the people who we rely on to inform us, are mostly inveterate liars? we recognise that, but still swallow their lies.

How could the German people be so blind to the insanity of fascism in the 1930's?

How can we be so blind to it today?

I'm being rhetorical of course.


Fascism: Government for, by and of the corporations.

[clive milne]

In other news, the United airlines public relations disaster dethrones PEPSi for the biggest own goal of 2017... what were they thinking?

[xelasnave]

Apparently just complying with the law (government law not that of the air line) that requires pilots to be moved to their next flight so that flights are not disrupted and someone needs to step aside to make it happen.

Clearly enough force was not used to remove the passenger ...they could have just shot him called him a terrorist and be praised....yes handled all wrong and hardly in keeping with the viable shoot first policy.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Clive why worry about the body count they were all bad people bent on destroying our way of life.

Alex

[clive milne]

I thought it was our freedom they hated...?

Incidentally, do you remember the Anthrax panic after 9/11, when the West was trembling in fear of Sadam's weapons of mass destruction..? (Those would be the WMD's we sold him to fire at the Iranians)
Just as well we went well on the way to bankrupting the world bombing that country in to rubble hey, poisoning their streets with depleted Uranium in the process (because that's fair and we're winning hearts and minds to boot)

Do you remember the level of media attention devoted to the fact that the Anthrax came from a US weapons (research?) lab...? <sound of crickets chirping>

Do you recall that the primary suspect (exonerated) committed suicide? (how convenient)

Anyone recall that the wife of the first victim of the Anthrax attacks (Bob Stevens) sued the American government, and was given a $2.5m compensation payout?

Say it ain't so....


And as for taking away one's freedom, here's a brand spanking new patriot act for you... yep, we'll keep you safe from those dastardly brown skinned chaps over there on other side of the world.

[xelasnave]

Clive do you watch a show on TV "Persons of Interest"?

Be careful you could become a person of interest.

What can be done?

Not a thing.

As I said they do us a favour providing good reason why we can accept the horror and content ourselves that we are on the side of right.
Happily I am a mug I know nothing and certainly not a subversive...I respect power and I will roll over if they just tickle my tummy.

The truth is just too much to bear...

The truth, I can't handle the truth.

What I don't get is why are they going to bomb North Korea ... Do they have oil?

Is it the clever Chinese manipulating the game via the art of war philosophy.

Is it just USA asserting dominance using North Korea as an excuse to have battle ships in the region...Have you noticed China is been developing a blue water navy?

Alex

[clive milne]

Alex, I am cynical enough to believe that my observations aren't that important in the greater scheme of things...

But I take your point:
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-during-times-of-universal-deceit-telling-the-truth-becomes-a-revolutionary-act-george-orwell-139698.jpg

[sn1987a]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-event-idUSKBN17E2CT?il=0


I hope it doesn't ruin my "seeing" :sadeyes:

[clive milne]

Just for fits and giggles, here's some real news from ITV... ooops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc

On the other side of the pond, Rumsfeld has his nads served to him in a white wine sauce in congress (on C-span):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_UJweReNTw

with respect to the 3rd question Rumsfeld dodged, google:
operation vigilant guardian
operation global guardian
operation tripod
operation dark winter

For historical context, google:

operation mockingbird
operation northwoods
operation susannah
Gulf of Tonkin incident
USS Liberty.

[xelasnave]

Hi Clive,
On another site a chap seems to see things much the same as your self so I asked him if its as bad as he believes what can be done.
What can be done?
Alex

[JaseD]

Sorry, but this was not about the war in Syria, or any other war... it was about the lack of real world media coverage for scientific achievements. I feel that working together, for the betterment of humankind should rate far higher than some joker not paying for his or her meal on some reality program about dating. As well as the feeling that gold would float compared to the average Joe in society.

I know in the original post I mentioned two countries are on the brink of war, but that was as background information to highlight the p*ss poor performance of the lamestream media when two countries can sit down and work together to improve mankind's position in space and nearly rates a mention.

If I wanted to debate the reasons for war in <insert flavour for the month country> I would turn to my Bn association site or some left wing news site on stalk book and gain perspectives from all sides that way.

Therefore, as OP I respectfully ask to at least stick loosely on topic of the post... Anyway that's my two cents.


J

P.s sorry if that sounds condescending, I come here so I don't need to be dealing with debates on political decisions of governments.

[Exfso]

Yeah Jase, par for the course on the forum to go off at a tangent. People have their own axes to grind I suppose, frustrating though...:screwy:

[JaseD]

True Peter, I'm generally happy to let posts take the turns and twists, however, let's at least stick remotely to the topic. I mean it's a big stretch to go from; Scientists from two countries put aside their countries politics, to the US are a bunch of war mongering fascist's.

But now I digress. back on topic... at the very least lamestream media had some science news about Cassini and life on Enceladus and the possible capture of images of SGR A* through the use of multiple scopes... maybe just maybe there is hope for mankind, only time will tell.

J

[PCH]

Well Jase and Peter, if people had stuck precisely to the topic in your post #1, the thread might well have died a death after a few posts.

Be grateful that people were sufficiently interested to contribute and extend the threads life to 3 pages.

Just saying :)